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#1 Aug 30 2011 at 4:06 AM Rating: Decent
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It disappointed so many people that the whole community fell apart. Some went to one game, some to another. Some still lurk , and some play the other (ffxi). We all sat in anticipation with the hopes of reuniting in a new world together only to be mislead and let down.

What a bummer.
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#2 Aug 30 2011 at 4:28 AM Rating: Decent
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On the positive side the fail made a large number of ex XI players return to that, which in turn made Square quite a large chunk of extra money from all the resubs. ..lol
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On the positive side the fail made a large number of ex XI players return to that, which in turn made Square quite a large chunk of extra money from all the resubs. ..lol

I'm willing to bet they lost money.

If you left XI last September for XIV then you paid ~$50 for the box. If you had stayed with XI, SE would have made ~$155 on monthly fees for that game. It would actually be to their benefit if you got fed up last December and went back to XI.
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I like it because it's free and keeps me entertained for the 2-3 hours a fortnight that I want to play a MMO.
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I like it because it's free and keeps me entertained for the 2-3 hours a fortnight that I want to play a MMO.


Just the kind of gamer Square need.
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It disappointed so many people that the whole community fell apart. Some went to one game, some to another. Some still lurk , and some play the other (ffxi). We all sat in anticipation with the hopes of reuniting in a new world together only to be mislead and let down.

What a bummer.


To be honest the worst part of the comunity is the people that staied behind and just complaint about general stuff without specific details which might actually lead to a proper discussion and evevate the level of comunication and the comunity but I guess you know what that feels.
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Transmigration wrote:
It disappointed so many people that the whole community fell apart. Some went to one game, some to another. Some still lurk , and some play the other (ffxi). We all sat in anticipation with the hopes of reuniting in a new world together only to be mislead and let down.

What a bummer.


To be honest the worst part of the community is the people that stayed behind and just complain about general stuff without specific details which might actually lead to a proper discussion and elevate the level of communication and the community but I guess you know what that feels.


This. Although I had to fix the spelling of the post.

The worst part of the community are these two types of players:

-The one that complains about the game sucking and not suggest ways to improve the experience.
-The ones that defend the game to no end and think it doesn't need improvement.

Edited, Aug 30th 2011 5:41am by UltKnightGrover
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#8 Aug 30 2011 at 9:40 AM Rating: Decent
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I am enjoying crafting at this point and thats it. I hate the current auto attack battle system and will not even play a combat class anymore. Crafting +2s and +3s is about all that entertains me anymore. I hope materia is fun if not I may have to let this game go. I sure hope SE keeps me playing : )
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I hate FFXIV because it made me forget everything i know about SE. they are a company who never caught up with the times, they sell pretty teaser trailers and announced games and deliver dated and primitive gameplay elements. I guess hindsight is 20/20, but i still can't help but look now and think, **********, I can't believe I fell for it".
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#10 Aug 30 2011 at 10:05 AM Rating: Decent
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Ahh yes a thread for all the people who play FFXIV yet hate it...
Or more likely a thread for people who can no longer post on the official forums to complain on.
FFXIV was a dissapointment /boohoo, this thread is in no way constructive, its just trolling imo.
#11 Aug 30 2011 at 10:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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To be honest the worst part of the comunity is the people that staied behind and just complaint about general stuff without specific details which might actually lead to a proper discussion and evevate the level of comunication and the comunity but I guess you know what that feels.


Well, there are a few people like that yes. However, there has been an overwhelming amount of constructive (albeit sometimes negative) feedback coming from the most loyal of players, from the very beginning. It's not like there haven't been valid discussions about various mechanics, what works, what doesn't, etc. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that if you went through these forums and the official ones you would find more intelligent, well thought-out posts than not.

Those get pushed to the bottom of the pile though, and then we get sidetracked by the latest "this sucks0rz" thread and the community is declared intellectually bankrupt.

Objectivity is the key - and that goes for both camps. You've been a bit of a white knight throughout all of this, so you have made your fair share of contributions to the general decline of the community just as the folks you are complaining about.
#12 Aug 30 2011 at 11:00 AM Rating: Decent
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I hate FFXIV too and I've been playing it since day 1.
#13 Aug 30 2011 at 11:34 AM Rating: Good
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I find it a game with a ton of potential. The ability to customize your character is what I like about it. The cutscenes are pretty. The music is nice. Problem is that SE sucks at battle systems. This predates even 11. This even goes into non-Final Fantasy games. They'll strike gold once in a while, then ***** it up afterwards. Why they reduced the game to FFXI-2 with auto=attack is beyond me, but meh.

This game was rushed. If they took the time to make it in detail, we would've had a much better finished product versus what we have now. What's sadder is that even if they "fix" the game (ie, minimize the number of complaints they get every hour, since there will ALWAYS be someone unhappy and wanting Cure V) people would have all ready lost hope. They are probably banking on the PS3 release to get people in that haven't played the PC version, but nowadays thanks to the internet, word travel fast and I doubt a PS3 release is going to help them break even. Might even be another financial downer.

I'd probably just keep the game F2P (like Guild Wars) and not even bother releasing for the PS3. Or release it as a download to avoid suffering the loss of money for CDs. Add in services and the like via micro-transactions which will net them some money to allow the game to continue getting updated. Obviously, keeping FFXI updated should still be high priority (not top) as it's still got a good player base loyal to it. With this mentioning a third MMO, this would probably be the best course for them to take.
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#14 Aug 30 2011 at 11:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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Urgh, I hate to say this but my like for XIV is starting to wane. One, because my husband hates it and I can never get him to play it with me...(thanks SE for putting out a beautiful MMO that was craptastic to many), and two, after taking a break for a bit and playing Dragon Age Origins...my thought was..."Wow, this is what "fun" should be like in a game to me."

In this game, I feel like I'm questing. There are many different ways to go about the main story line...have your character have sexual orientation, affiars, fall in love, demon worship...etc...that is FUN. I am leveling up and not even feel like it's a chore...shouldn't games be fun and not a chore? :/ Hope I wasn't a Debbie Downer to anyone...just playing a different and new game I just fell in love with made me come back here and want to almost cry :/

Dear SE, get with the times...ya know...making a game fun to play! :D
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#15 Aug 30 2011 at 12:14 PM Rating: Decent
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playing Dragon Age Origins...my thought was..."Wow, this is what "fun" should be like in a game to me."

I hope that you can keep that point of view until the end of the game.

While I love some parts of DA (story, characters, etc.), I was so terribly bored and tired of it (mostly the endless and terrible combat) by the end.

DA2 was shorter, so I didn't really have time to get tired of it when it was over. I'm one of the few who prefers DA2 to the first.

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As for FFXIV, the only thing I hate about it is how crafting takes way too many crafts to get a rank up, which doesn't have enough impact. Your chances of HQ or success don't change that much from a simple rank up, and you don't really get access to an awesome new array of recipes and items you can make. So essentially, you're stuck grinding for too long, on the same items.

Luckily, the local leves offer me a way to slowly but surely get my crafting classes some rank ups.
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LillithaFenimore wrote:
Urgh, I hate to say this but my like for XIV is starting to wane. One, because my husband hates it and I can never get him to play it with me...(thanks SE for putting out a beautiful MMO that was craptastic to many), and two, after taking a break for a bit and playing Dragon Age Origins...my thought was..."Wow, this is what "fun" should be like in a game to me."

In this game, I feel like I'm questing. There are many different ways to go about the main story line...have your character have sexual orientation, affiars, fall in love, demon worship...etc...that is FUN. I am leveling up and not even feel like it's a chore...shouldn't games be fun and not a chore? :/ Hope I wasn't a Debbie Downer to anyone...just playing a different and new game I just fell in love with made me come back here and want to almost cry :/

Dear SE, get with the times...ya know...making a game fun to play! :D


You've just come to the point a lot of us were at when we saw open beta.
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This thread should be renamed "Why I love to hate ffxiv but play anyway" :)

Face it you are no different than those of us who play it and just deal with it. We would complain about something else if all our other gripes are fixed. There is always something lets not kid ourselves. I myself have played since open beta and since patch 1.18 I have been on quite a lot and am having a good time. Post 1.19 Im sure I personally would be ready to pay for it.
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This thread should be renamed "Why I love to hate ffxiv but play anyway" :)

Face it you are no different than those of us who play it and just deal with it. We would complain about something else if all our other gripes are fixed. There is always something lets not kid ourselves. I myself have played since open beta and since patch 1.18 I have been on quite a lot and am having a good time. Post 1.19 Im sure I personally would be ready to pay for it.


Actually I've logged in 3 or 4 times in the past 6 months.

I didn't mean for this to be a troll thread. I meant it with the utmost sincerity. I really do feel sad that the community that could have been, never came together.
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#19 Aug 30 2011 at 1:26 PM Rating: Good
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I understand what you mean. The community will come once the game is built and the word gets out. Then those of us who are the "pioneers" can help shape the "community" by lending the help to the new players when needed.

That my friend builds community and that is what I predict we will have in the next 3-6 months. I meant no disrespect only to point out that there are those....myself included that are never truly satisfied.
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I hope that you can keep that point of view until the end of the game.

While I love some parts of DA (story, characters, etc.), I was so terribly bored and tired of it (mostly the endless and terrible combat) by the end.

DA2 was shorter, so I didn't really have time to get tired of it when it was over. I'm one of the few who prefers DA2 to the first.

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As for FFXIV, the only thing I hate about it is how crafting takes way too many crafts to get a rank up, which doesn't have enough impact. Your chances of HQ or success don't change that much from a simple rank up, and you don't really get access to an awesome new array of recipes and items you can make. So essentially, you're stuck grinding for too long, on the same items.

Luckily, the local leves offer me a way to slowly but surely get my crafting classes some rank ups.


Actually I love DA. I am playing it a second time around. I played it first time from the perspective of an elf in the circle or magi. Now I'm an elf from the alienage. I am really loving the different perspective of things my second time around. And then I'm gonna play it as an elf from the dalish and so on. I want to see different starts and the different endings :). Lots of fun to me.

Edited due to my Iphone for some reason didn't quote the correct person.

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Don't read the forums. It will change your mind on FFXIV.

The forums are the "vocal minority" as was put recently by a friend.

Those with the distaste yell the loudest. Keep away and you won't hear it.
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I like the community now (as small as it is) 100X more than at release...

Mainly because you just could not find an area where someone wasn't complaining. At least 60% of the LS I lead, random shouts, every camp, everywhere.

Complaining serves 2 purposes, to let out frustration and to attempt to enact change.

Saying the same thing over and over in LS chat does neither, and just irritates people trying to make the best of it.

Now, you still have the haters who still play, but its a much smaller population and the rest of us make the best of it like it's the great depression and we're just all happy to have a loaf of bread.
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This game was rushed. If they took the time to make it in detail, we would've had a much better finished product versus what we have now.


But what is your idea of "rushed"? This is borderline making excuses for why we got the quality we did. They have had 6+ years of developing this game and what we ended up with was a mess that had next to nothing in terms of content. If you look back at the original clips we were given back in 05, the information regarding platform availability, and the acquisition of certain engine licenses, you will see that there's really only a couple possibilities here:

1. They had no direction from the start.
2. *Someone* forced repeated changes of direction throughout the development process (Tanaka? Who knows.)
3. They really just don't have a clue what they are doing.

Rift development started after XIV's, and not only boasts more content but more actual paying subscriptions as well. You may not like it or the style of gameplay, but that proves that 6 years is long enough for a competent gaming company to put out an mmo title that returns the investment on box sales (and digital, which XIV doesn't even have available) and keeps a good chunk of that playerbase in subscriptions.

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At some point though, you have to cut your losses. It has potential only because it's pretty. It's only pretty, because SE is out of touch with what really keeps games selling on the shelf at near original retail price 5 years after being released. They are out of touch, because in keeping up with pretty technology they lost something essential along the way: the spirit behind what made a Final Fantasy game, a Final Fantasy game.

I'll agree with one thing, though: leave this one f2p, forget the Ps3, and just focus on the new mmo and XI.

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To be honest the worst part of the comunity is the people that staied behind and just complaint about general stuff without specific details which might actually lead to a proper discussion and evevate the level of comunication and the comunity but I guess you know what that feels.

Your point lost it's validity about a year ago. Before release it was fair to say that people needed to explain their position and try to be constructive because the game had not yet had a chance to materialize the concepts of the development team. It is now a year later and they're still taking baby steps toward that goal. In the meantime, people are fleeing in droves and nearly everyone has lost their faith in SE.

You should add the 'troll in white armor' to your list of the worst part of the community. There were and still are people who defended this game despite it's flaws for no other reason than their own rabid fanboyism. When people who had a valid beef with this game would try to bring it to light, no matter how well thought and detailed the post was, the troll knights promptly derailed the 'elevated discussion' into oblivion.

Can anyone explain to me why in the **** FFXI, a game nearly a decade old now, just received PTR and XIV is still without one? Dinosaur is disgust.

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Everything has infinite potential. What XIV needs is an awakening.

Edited, Aug 30th 2011 4:19pm by FilthMcNasty
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I'm sort of enjoying my newfound freedom. With FFXI I was just tied to it most of the time. With FFXIV sucking so much, I actually have time to play lots of other games, something I never was able to do.

I'm really enjoying Xenoblade at the moment :D

Oh and I appreciated the white troll concept ^.^
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Honestly, I'd be thrilled if they just removed the lag. I like everything else they have planned, but the UI just kills me.
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Honestly, I'd be thrilled if they just removed the lag. I like everything else they have planned, but the UI just kills me.


This was the first thing that I noticed when coming back after a hiatus. If the UI wasn't so **** sluggish I could forgive almost everything else. They really need to make that a priority.
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Eh, I like XIV sometimes when I don't really want to feel pressured to achieve anything.

That said, I am more into playing around on the XI test server. I am sort of looking forward to trying out classes I have never felt the desire to level - or classes that seemed to complex or expensive to level. It will be fun to just tool around in shiny armor with 999999999 gil XD
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I'm sort of enjoying my newfound freedom. With FFXI I was just tied to it most of the time. With FFXIV sucking so much, I actually have time to play lots of other games, something I never was able to do.

I'm really enjoying Xenoblade at the moment :D

Oh and I appreciated the white troll concept ^.^

Xenoblade is @#%^ing awesome. I was able to try it on an emulator yesterday and it just makes me sad that theres no NA release for it :( And its kind of a pain to play on emu without a wiimote haha

edit: typo

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Shredmastah wrote:
rikkuotaku wrote:
I'm sort of enjoying my newfound freedom. With FFXI I was just tied to it most of the time. With FFXIV sucking so much, I actually have time to play lots of other games, something I never was able to do.

I'm really enjoying Xenoblade at the moment :D

Oh and I appreciated the white troll concept ^.^

Xenoblade is @#%^ing awesome. I was able to try it on an emulator yesterday and it just makes me sad that theres no NA release for it :( And its kind of a pain to play on emu without a wiimote haha

edit: typo

Edited, Aug 30th 2011 7:53pm by Shredmastah


If you have a gamepad or something, you could map the classic controller keys to your gamepad and then use that to play Xenoblade. It's what I've been doing. Also, the game looks incredible on the emulator in 1080p with 3D enabled.
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It was Fallout: NV for me last year around November/December. That was the 1st game I spent a lot of time on after leaving XIV for awhile. It's not perfect either, but I was having a **** of a lot fun with that. Currently I try not to force myself into playing XIV for the sake of progress. When I'm not in the mood to craft grind or whatever I just don't. I do my leves(if I'm in the mood), chat with the LS, then play other stuff. Some FO, NBA 2k11 My Player Mode(HoF difficulty/12 min quarters gets entertaining), or even turn the Wii on for some Mario Kart or Lego Star Wars/Harry Potter. = D

Without some of the better parts of the community I don't know if I'd bother coming back at all. In some cases, playing through a bad game has built some quality friendships & acquaintances for me. Overall though, I have no doubt that the community would be a lot better if the game was closer to a quality product. Many decent people picked up troll & white knight type attitudes, while the real trolls & white knights got totally out of control. Others may just be hangin' around because it's free, but have zero intent on staying if it ever became P2P worthy.

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You should add the 'troll in white armor' to your list of the worst part of the community. There were and still are people who defended this game despite it's flaws for no other reason than their own rabid fanboyism. When people who had a valid beef with this game would try to bring it to light, no matter how well thought and detailed the post was, the troll knights promptly derailed the 'elevated discussion' into oblivion.


Many of the arguments I see people getting caught up in(especially on the official forums) could be avoided with proper communication and less troll/white knight attitudes. So often they're actually almost 100% in agreement on the end result they want, yet they're at each other's throats simply because of semantics, miscommunication, clinging to parts of the original game, wanting to get rid of all memories of the original game, hoping to copy XI more, hating anything that mentions XI, etc. Never mind that they pretty much want the same results. That makes it much more difficult to hold a decent discussion.

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playing Dragon Age Origins...my thought was..."Wow, this is what "fun" should be like in a game to me."

I hope that you can keep that point of view until the end of the game.

While I love some parts of DA (story, characters, etc.), I was so terribly bored and tired of it (mostly the endless and terrible combat) by the end.

DA2 was shorter, so I didn't really have time to get tired of it when it was over. I'm one of the few who prefers DA2 to the first.


Baldur Gate triology > DA > DA2 for me. Nothing Bioware produce now beats Baldur Gate, people are still fanboy-ing over Bioware but to me they are just like SE now.
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LillithaFenimore wrote:
playing Dragon Age Origins...my thought was..."Wow, this is what "fun" should be like in a game to me."

I hope that you can keep that point of view until the end of the game.

While I love some parts of DA (story, characters, etc.), I was so terribly bored and tired of it (mostly the endless and terrible combat) by the end.

DA2 was shorter, so I didn't really have time to get tired of it when it was over. I'm one of the few who prefers DA2 to the first.


Baldur Gate triology > DA > DA2 for me. Nothing Bioware produce now beats Baldur Gate, people are still fanboy-ing over Bioware but to me they are just like SE now.


Meh, I tried Baulder's Gate...not for me...Just didn't strike me like DA did.
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#34 Aug 30 2011 at 10:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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This game is just a waste of time.

Players are forced to grind hundred hours for so little content,

Find some other things to do,It's much fun than FFXIV.
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It's eerie after resubbing to FFXI how "bizzaro world" it is compared to FFXIV.

It's like there are two alternate universes and one has a decent game FFXI and in the other universe, an abomination.

GoV's now are almost like a cross between behests and leves. But it's done right! You have gradually increasing EXP rewards, a "PUG" looseness and attitude. There aren't any required classes to group with and you're slaughtering EPs which makes it fun!

I seek and people invite. I don't seek, yet people still invite. There is a community. You could argue that it was 10 years in the making, but honestly if you design a game to be insular: Bad LFG tool, limited #'s for behest (should work like FFXI's Campaign), no general/world chat, no real quests to group for, then it will be insular.

To be fair, I like what I saw with the Guild quests and lore, but even at it's best, with all of the fixes, I can only see it being as good as FFXI. A game that had and still has it's own problems. And those idiosyncrasies are charming to some of us, but to most are antiquated reminders of crappy game design.
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I understand what you mean. The community will come once the game is built and the word gets out. Then those of us who are the "pioneers" can help shape the "community" by lending the help to the new players when needed.


I get the idea you haven't played many MMOs lol. The pioneers are not there to aid and guide players if it ever picks up, they will be the ones that rip them off as much as possible to try become the richest/most powerful players on the server.

What you are describing never happens.

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The fact they announced another MMO so soon means they don't really have that much faith in XIV ever really picking up. So lets hope they learn from their mistakes and do a better job on the next one, not concentrating so much on making it pretty at the expensive of any kind of gameplay enjoyment.

In the windup to release all we got was showing off at the pwetty graphics and graphical technology.
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It disappointed so many people that the whole community fell apart. Some went to one game, some to another. Some still lurk , and some play the other (ffxi). We all sat in anticipation with the hopes of reuniting in a new world together only to be mislead and let down.

What a bummer.


To be honest the worst part of the comunity is the people that staied behind and just complaint about general stuff without specific details which might actually lead to a proper discussion and evevate the level of comunication and the comunity but I guess you know what that feels.

I was thinking that.

The game is much better now, I know many in XI that are just waiting for time to go by for XIV to get better with content etc. Was XI a brilliant game right away nope. I have accounts on XI/XIV but I play XI far more and rarely touch XIV but every time I come back it feels much better, recently played a lot 2 weeks ago.
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#38 Aug 31 2011 at 6:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Don't read the forums. It will change your mind on FFXIV.

The forums are the "vocal minority" as was put recently by a friend.

Those with the distaste yell the loudest. Keep away and you won't hear it.


This is true.
The thing I have noticed with the official forums is that this vocal minority seem to lack the ability to read dev posts properly. It's as if they read an official announcement or a dev post and put all the words in a different order to make themselves as angry as possible!
#39 Aug 31 2011 at 8:16 AM Rating: Decent
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The fact they announced another MMO so soon means they don't really have that much faith in XIV ever really picking up. So lets hope they learn from their mistakes and do a better job on the next one, not concentrating so much on making it pretty at the expensive of any kind of gameplay enjoyment.

In the windup to release all we got was showing off at the pwetty graphics and graphical technology.


Well actually to me graphics is a huge deal as well as story and content. If these 3 things don't exist simultaneously in a modern game I won't bother with it unless a close friend who kn
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#40 Aug 31 2011 at 8:24 AM Rating: Decent
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The fact they announced another MMO so soon means they don't really have that much faith in XIV ever really picking up. So lets hope they learn from their mistakes and do a better job on the next one, not concentrating so much on making it pretty at the expensive of any kind of gameplay enjoyment.

In the windup to release all we got was showing off at the pwetty graphics and graphical technology.


Well actually to me graphics is a huge deal as well as story and content. If these 3 things don't exist simultaneously in a modern game I won't bother with it unless a close friend who knows what I like recommends it.

I looked at the races at Rift characters and I refuse to play it cause the graphics of the races just don't draw me in. I like being able to have control of how my character looks. And if it's not appealing in graphics, I have a really hard time being able to enjoy it (I am only referring to modern day games, not PS2 or earlier genres). I am a firm believer that gaming companies should keep up with the times aesthetically, the technology exists.

Same goes for story and content for any game company. The only reason why I'm being patient with XIV is cause of their past games, which have always drew me in story wise, graphics tech. of the times, and content. So I'm just being patient with them, for now.

So I disagree with the "pretty" factor you speak about... It should, IMO, be just as important as fun factor.
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#41 Aug 31 2011 at 8:50 AM Rating: Good
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they're at each other's throats simply because of semantics, miscommunication, clinging to parts of the original game, wanting to get rid of all memories of the original game, hoping to copy XI more, hating anything that mentions XI, etc.

It's more denial than a communication issue. A person will never be able to accept another person's reasoning or even a proposed solution if they are unwilling or unable to accept that there is actually a problem.

They see something negative and don't even bother to address anything else because regardless of how well you try to bring your point across, there can't possibly be any way that anyone else doesn't enjoy XIV. If for some reason they don't enjoy it then they're written off as anything from too self-entitled to being too immature to play.

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DoctorMog wrote:
Those with the distaste yell the loudest. Keep away and you won't hear it.
This is true.

People were yelling pretty loud in the testing forums before the game was released and SE followed this advice. It ****** them over pretty good in the end. Ignoring it won't make it go away. Addressing it and making adjustments, preferably before release, is the way to go.

Protip: Even if there is no one there to warn you, chances are you will realize pretty quickly if you start eating a s#!t sandwich.



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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#42 Aug 31 2011 at 9:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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I looked at the races at Rift characters and I refuse to play it cause the graphics of the races just don't draw me in. I like being able to have control of how my character looks. And if it's not appealing in graphics, I have a really hard time being able to enjoy it (I am only referring to modern day games, not PS2 or earlier genres). I am a firm believer that gaming companies should keep up with the times aesthetically, the technology exists.

Your issue is with the art direction and style, not the graphics. It's fair not to like the style, but the graphics are up to date for a PC game.

LillithaFenimore wrote:
So I disagree with the "pretty" factor you speak about...

No you don't. You said almost the exact same thing Runespider did...





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cocodojo wrote:
Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
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Honestly, I'd be thrilled if they just removed the lag. I like everything else they have planned, but the UI just kills me.


This was the first thing that I noticed when coming back after a hiatus. If the UI wasn't so **** sluggish I could forgive almost everything else. They really need to make that a priority.

Boom.

I can be patient for new content and the adjustments they're making. I can't be patient when I hit my switch class/gear macro and it takes 10 seconds or more to complete. On when I hit an action button and it doesn't go off for 2 or 3 seconds. It just makes me wonder how they're going to make end game content difficult or challenging if reaction time isn't going to be a factor.
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LillithaFenimore wrote:
I looked at the races at Rift characters and I refuse to play it cause the graphics of the races just don't draw me in. I like being able to have control of how my character looks. And if it's not appealing in graphics, I have a really hard time being able to enjoy it (I am only referring to modern day games, not PS2 or earlier genres). I am a firm believer that gaming companies should keep up with the times aesthetically, the technology exists.

Your issue is with the art direction and style, not the graphics. It's fair not to like the style, but the graphics are up to date for a PC game.

LillithaFenimore wrote:
So I disagree with the "pretty" factor you speak about...

No you don't. You said almost the exact same thing Runespider did...







Yep! You are right! Lol. Sorry! I need to stop reading the boards while running. I'm obviously not paying close enough attention while reading and running! Sorry!
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#45 Aug 31 2011 at 12:37 PM Rating: Decent
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LillithaFenimore wrote:
I need to stop reading the boards while running.

That tunnel worm isn't chasing you. You don't have to run :P
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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
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LillithaFenimore wrote:
I need to stop reading the boards while running.

That tunnel worm isn't chasing you. You don't have to run :P


I have to keep my girlish figure up yo! :). I can't let my miquote out hawt meh. Lol.
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LMAO to anyone who says this is a rush job. They had years to develop it. It will soon be one year after release and the game would still fail miserably if they released it now instead of last year. This is the reality so many are not willing to accept. A year after release and it is still a **** being polished.
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LMAO to anyone who says this is a rush job.

It's an obvious rush job.

SE spent 5 years working on their graphics engine and put hardly any time or energy into the other stuff like storyline, quests, map design ect. No one disagrees that it would still fail if it were released now. There are just people more patient than you or I who are at least satisfied enough by the small progress they've made to stick it out at least until they have to start paying...
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30 bucks is almost free

cocodojo wrote:
Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#49 Sep 01 2011 at 12:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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That's not a rush job? A rush job is when you are not given realistic time for a project. They were given plenty. Call it what you want. A failed job, bad product, etc.. but it was no way in **** a rush job given that time frame.

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That's not a rush job? A rush job is when you are not given realistic time for a project. They were given plenty.

I agree that they didn't make the best of their time, but I get the feeling(way back then) that developers thought they would be given more time than they had. Otherwise they wouldn't have put so much of their resources into crystal tools. The graphics are arguably better than anything else available, but they are poorly optimized and MMOs demand a lot more in terms of story, quests and missions ect.

They weren't given enough time for stuff like that and that's why it was a rush job. I'm not saying it's an excuse by any means, but it does apply.
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HaibaneRenmei wrote:
30 bucks is almost free

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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#51 Sep 01 2011 at 6:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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Actually I love DA. I am playing it a second time around. I played it first time from the perspective of an elf in the circle or magi. Now I'm an elf from the alienage. I am really loving the different perspective of things my second time around. And then I'm gonna play it as an elf from the dalish and so on. I want to see different starts and the different endings :). Lots of fun to me.


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I looked at the races at Rift characters and I refuse to play it cause the graphics of the races just don't draw me in.


You know what struck me about Rift upon first playing it? How much the graphics and artwork were influenced by the Baldur's Gate IP (Which also carried over into DA: Origins). So I'm not sure I buy your comments about just not liking the art direction - it's something else that is making you take such a militant stance against the game.

I'm not arguing that you should immediately go out and get a trial. After all, it's your choice. I'm just saying that sometimes people "refuse" things based on silly reasons and miss out on a lot of enjoyment than if they had otherwise been more open-minded.
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