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#1 Sep 11 2011 at 6:16 AM Rating: Decent
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#2 Sep 11 2011 at 9:29 AM Rating: Decent
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Although I'm not as much of a computer guru as many of those you'll find here, I can atleast give you a beter idea. I built a computer for this game at launch and looking at the computers you linked to and comparing that to the information I was given then, I would seriously questions whether or not the CyberpowerPC Gamer Ultra GU6004 Gaming PC(499.99) would even run the game. I always thought the game pretty much required a quad core to run the game smoothly. That one in particular is a dual core. Also, the GPU is the Gforce GT 520. GPU wise, I was recommended to get a video card that was equal to or better than the Radeon 5770. The GT 520 doesn't hold a candle to the 5770. If the dual core can run it, I seriously doubt the video card can handle it.

As for the Gateway FX6840, that cpu is better than the one I chose to go with so that cpu will run the game perfectly fine. The GPU, is a Radeon 5750. I was recommended atleast a 5770, so I'm sure it will atleast run the game, but it may have issues down the line when the game becomes more populated. You'll probably have delayed loading of the characters on the screen. The computer would probably work, but you'll need to run the game on lower to lowest settings.

I would double check with someone more knowledgeable who can give you a better idea. I personally went with a much better GPU and I can run the game with almost everything at the highest settings. I used these charts for my comparisons.

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

EDIT: Edited for easier reading.

Edited, Sep 11th 2011 11:30am by swisa
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I have a gateway FX6840. As bought, it would run the game fine with normal settings. I upgraded the GPU to a 5870 a while back and can run more of the eye candy.
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#4 Sep 11 2011 at 11:42 AM Rating: Decent
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They're both pretty bad, but if I was forced to give the edge to one it would be the intel rig.
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FilthMcNasty wrote:

They're both pretty bad, but if I was forced to give the edge to one it would be the intel rig.

They're both pretty bad but the Intel rig is still better by a long shot.

By the way, just the act of needing to scour for the name of the GPU in the second link is a red flag of a crappy computer. (Read: The seller is deeming it unnecessary information to their target demographic)



Edited, Sep 11th 2011 7:53pm by bsphil
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#6 Sep 11 2011 at 7:24 PM Rating: Decent
bsphil wrote:
FilthMcNasty wrote:

They're both pretty bad, but if I was forced to give the edge to one it would be the intel rig.

They're both pretty bad but the Intel rig is still better by a long shot.

By the way, just the act of needing to scour for the name of the GPU in the second link is a red flag of a crappy computer. (Read: The seller is deeming it unnecessary information to their target demographic)



Edited, Sep 11th 2011 7:53pm by bsphil


As far as comparing just the GPUs in each of those please refer to the following links which show the benchmarks of each card. The Radeon 5750 completely blows away the Geforce GT 520. As far as choosing one or the other for gaming...it's a no-brainer. Go with the PC with the 5750. (The intel rig.)

Radeon 5750:
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/video_lookup.php?gpu=Radeon+HD+5750

Geforce GT 520:
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/video_lookup.php?gpu=GeForce+GT+520

Edited, Sep 11th 2011 9:28pm by StateAlchemist
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bsphil wrote:

By the way, just the act of needing to scour for the name of the GPU in the second link is a red flag of a crappy computer. (Read: The seller is deeming it unnecessary information to their target demographic)

No kidding. The pre-built PC market is pretty much one giant scam where the retailers take advantage of their customers ignorance. The product description goes on to explain the following:

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Outfitted with the Intel Core I7-870 2.93GHz Processor with 8MB Total Cache...

With 8MB Total Cache, you say? Could you write some more irrelevant information to confuse customers with, please? Oh, the video card has ONE GIGABYTE(!) of memory? That's like a whole lot of memory, so it has to be super good, right? Here, let me pay too much for your piece of crap.
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You should probably feel ripped off if you buy a computer for FFXIV and it comes with anything less than a 5770...

Honestly...given its price/performance, a 5770 is the bare minimum I would recommend for this game.

Check this link for a general gpu comparison, then click the heading "Rank (lower is better)" so that the triangle points up.

The Sapphire Radeon HD 5770 is ranked 50, and only costs $99.99 after the mail-in rebate.

The card listed in the better of your two options is ranked 61, while the 520 is ranked 345...

Given 1) how much time people end up investing in MMOs, and 2) how terribly un-optimized this game is at the moment, do yourself a favor and don't chince out on the gpu. I doubt you would ever regret upgrading to a Radeon 6850 (ranked 12th, $139.99 after mail-in rebate).

Edited, Sep 11th 2011 7:20pm by akirussan
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#9 Sep 11 2011 at 8:22 PM Rating: Decent
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You should probably feel ripped off if you buy a computer for FFXIV and it comes with anything less than a 5770...

Honestly...given its price/performance, a 5770 is the bare minimum I would recommend for this game.

Check this link for a general gpu comparison, then click the heading "Rank (lower is better)" so that the triangle points up.

The Sapphire Radeon HD 5770 is ranked 50, and only costs $99.99 after the mail-in rebate.

The card listed in the better of your two options is ranked 61, while the 520 is ranked 345...


Yeah. You can pretty much build your own PC now-a-days for $750-1000 and get a much better product then either of those two. And something I thought really funny... the GT 520 was advertised as offering "2x the performance of integrated graphics"... OMG! 2x better then completely worthless!? I laughed so hard when I read that.
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#10 Sep 11 2011 at 8:37 PM Rating: Good
HA to the intergrated graphics comment.

Yes, building a machine is much, much better.

But just to give comparison, per se, my wife has hand-me downs from my builds. Hers runs fine on moderately high settings on a 22" monitor (1650x1050).

Setup Q9550 quad, gtx 460, 6gb ddr2 800. <-- general specs. This is considered older technology, but is more than adequate to run the game at good to great settings without issues.

Mine is a I-7950, 12gb DDR3, GTX480 in SLI, sabertooth x58 MoBo, Large, Large case with massive cooling fans (remember the 480's in sli ). <-- again, general specs. Display is on a Matrox triple Head to go with 3 22" monitors for a total display of 5040x1050

I do not run the ATI cards, so I cannot help you there. But, one mode of confusion is the numbers on the cards. Remeber, that a 520 is not more powerful than a 460, for example, or even a 260 for that matter(which was comparable to an 8800). I am sure that it is the same with the ATI lineup.

Your best bet would be to build a desktop (or have someone build it for you). Do not buy OOB (out of box) or ready to go, you will spend too much for too little.

The other posters are correct, from 750-1000 for a decent setup.
USD$$................... My Setup
Case 50-150.................150
Memory 100-200..............200
Board 100-200 ..............200
PSU 50-200..................100
GPU 100-1000................700 (2 gtx 480, 1 new (500) 1 used (200))
OS 120-250..................40* (student discount, thanks msft)
Keyboard 20-100.............30
Mouse 20-100................30
Hard Drive 60-500..........50
CPU 100-1000................300 (average price around 200. Intel more expensive, but better (read the reviews b4 you rate me down)
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720-3700....................1790
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+ monitor (s)
120-300
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Total 840-4000-limiteless

**BTW, sometimes you can get [gently] used graphics cards off ebay, especially around when new hardware hits the market



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#11 Sep 12 2011 at 12:01 PM Rating: Decent
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StateAlchemist the Eccentric wrote:
akirussan wrote:
You should probably feel ripped off if you buy a computer for FFXIV and it comes with anything less than a 5770...

Honestly...given its price/performance, a 5770 is the bare minimum I would recommend for this game.

Check this link for a general gpu comparison, then click the heading "Rank (lower is better)" so that the triangle points up.

The Sapphire Radeon HD 5770 is ranked 50, and only costs $99.99 after the mail-in rebate.

The card listed in the better of your two options is ranked 61, while the 520 is ranked 345...


Yeah. You can pretty much build your own PC now-a-days for $750-1000 and get a much better product then either of those two. And something I thought really funny... the GT 520 was advertised as offering "2x the performance of integrated graphics"... OMG! 2x better then completely worthless!? I laughed so hard when I read that.
I just did it myself for about $800 with an HD 5870 and a full-tower case w/two 250mm case fans. Smiley: lol Runs everything I've got at max settings with ease (except FFXIV lol, but nobody does that). It's amazing how less difficult putting a PC together is than it appears to be.

Oh, and DOUBLE the performance of integrated graphics?! Oh boy! Smiley: laughSmiley: laughSmiley: laugh



Edited, Sep 12th 2011 1:03pm by bsphil
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#12 Sep 12 2011 at 9:23 PM Rating: Good
yeah, 800 seems average price. I needed the larger system (a) for looks, and (b) because of the sli and possible oc that I am planning. In addition, 480's are HOT. I have 8 fans total with 3 being 220mm just to keep the graphics cards cool.

In addition, with the resolution that I run, I need the higher processing power to support it.

But yes, 800 can build you a great computer. 3000, will build an extreme gaming computer, and 5k will knock off your socks and still not run ffxiv on all max Smiley: cool
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#13 Sep 12 2011 at 9:30 PM Rating: Good
Eventually at some point after FFXIV gets their act togather as far as the graphics are concerned (drivers or whatever) I would eventually like to run the mulit-screen 3D thingie or whatever it is called. Of course I'm not gonna spend that kind of money now, with the things as they are. I haven't had any problems with my GTX 460 and don't feel like pushing my luck by upgrading early. Not to mention I will probably save a lot of money by waiting.

In fact, I am actually eager to get FFXIV up and running on Ubuntu, but I have to wait for this other laptop I am getting from my parents. My dad just got a new one for work and his old one is supposedly good enough to run FFXIV, so if it is I will have the time to fiddle around and get FFXIV running on linux properly. (I've even heard that someone has managed to get FFXIV running in 3D with few complications on Linux!!! That makes me feel better!)

ANd speaking of 3D... is the GTX 580 all it's cracked up to be? I have heard mixed reviews. If anyone has one (or more in SLI) I would love to get some feedback on its performance. (However you can just PM me as to not derail this thread, please.)
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#14 Sep 15 2011 at 4:27 AM Rating: Decent
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They are both pretty bad... in fact you could probably build a better rig for roughly $700. Note this would be easily done, if you build it with an AMD processor. AMD processors are generally less expensive and for the most part you will not notice the difference to the intel equivilant. Benchmarks will usually show core i7 doing better.

I currently have a build using...

I use this:

Processor: AMD II x6 1090T Balck Edition 3.2ghz (aka six core)
MOBO: MSI 870-G45 AM3 770ATX
GPU: Gigabyte Radeon HD 6850 (has 2 fans)
PSU: 730watt
Case: Antec lanboy air


now prices are like...

processor.. $169
mobo... $70~
GPU... $159
psu... $80~
case... $159

That alone is $637 before tax/rebates ect (newegg prices)a dvd drive is about another $20

ram- this is up to you...
I use 2 ripjaws DDR3 1333 4GB sticks (cost about $60)

So take into consideration that is about the same price as... the second pc you linked... and so much better with an awesome case.

I would suggest though if you look around for someone to build one for you for less. The biggest setback will be getting someone to get you a nice copy of windows 7... just a bribe a mac using college student to go purchase a windows 7 OS for you from their bookstore at a very discounted price.

Also note, that you could save money by switching to a basic AMD phenom II x4 (quad core) and getting a much cheaper case like a good rosewill I one I just use in a build for someone.
So.. considering a cheaper case ($50), ram($60), dvd drive($20), quad-core processor (100)

You'd dish out... $539 before OS

So... ya... I mean I could build it for you, so long as your not wanting a water cooled system or something of that sort. The main issue with that is you would need to help pick out parts...ect as well as somehow get a hold of an OS, I don't need the CD I have those already burned for quick installs~ I'd just need the key.

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Hi everyone. I hope you guys don't mind if I post my questions here.
I'm new to building PC and I have kind of noob questions.

1. If I build a PC do they(newegg) assemble everything together and make it ready to plug and play?

2. Here is what I have in mind. Do you think it will play ff14 okay? Thank you Zorvan for the link.

SAPPHIRE 100314-3L Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition Thuban 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Six-Core Desktop Processor HDT90ZFBGRBOX

ASUS M4A87TD EVO AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard

CORSAIR Gaming Series GS600 600W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC High Performance Power Supply

CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B

Western Digital Caviar Black WD7502AAEX 750GB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

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Hi everyone. I hope you guys don't mind if I post my questions here.
I'm new to building PC and I have kind of noob question.
If I build a PC do they(newegg) assemble everything together and make it ready to plug and play?

Here is what I have in mind. Thank you Zorvan for the link.

SAPPHIRE 100314-3L Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition Thuban 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Six-Core Desktop Processor HDT90ZFBGRBOX

ASUS M4A87TD EVO AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard

CORSAIR Gaming Series GS600 600W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC High Performance Power Supply

CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B

Western Digital Caviar Black WD7502AAEX 750GB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

Do you think it will run ff14 okay?
Should be fine.
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Honestly, if you build a system for a game or gaming in general, it's foolish to go with anything AMD at this point. Unless it's a SUPER budget build of course. but in that case i'd recommend saving some more money so the computer actually lasts you a while. If Bulldozer turns out to be really good, then sure, that would be something to shoot for. Otherwise, an i5 2500K will trample pretty much anything when it comes to games. If the cost is too much, an i3 2100 in the meantime is still going to do you better than even the 1100T from AMD. Especially since MMOs tend to use more CPU horsepower than a single player game.

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#20 Sep 24 2011 at 11:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for info ispanolfw.
I will do some changes. I wonder if 600W power supply if enough for what I built so far. I don't see much power supply requirements on most components.
How do I figure out how much power is needed?
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Power supply calculator:
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Gateway FX6840

By far, I did some research a while ago and that processor is the exact one I want: perfect for XIV. Cant see a graphics card though.
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