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#1 Sep 20 2011 at 11:56 AM Rating: Decent
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I know that the 2 x instanced dungeons ("raids") were released a few months back. I also know that auto-attack was implemented and there have been some other tweaks to the UI. I know that there are beastmen out in the field now and I know that the leve system has been changed (i.e. nerfed) so that you can't recycle the same leves over and over again. From what I've gathered in the forums, grinding is the way "rank up" now...

What else has actually happened since then? Did 1.19 come out yet? Has the Grand Companies content and associated quests been released? Have any maps been overhauled? Any new jobs system? Any new world NM's?

I've tried to keep up with ZAM forums to see what's going on with XIV but it's hard to discern what are promised changes and what's actually been implemented in game. I can't even figure out how to navigate the Lodestone forums. I was hoping the ZAM community could help me out and let me know what's actually changed in the game since 6 months ago (other than what I mentioned at the top of this post).

Thanks in advance for your time.
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Awesome, thank you!

So...just to recap and confirm what I just read...since the last "real" patch (1.18, implemented in July), absolutely nothing substantive has been added to this game? ***I don't count the bug fixes, game balance adjustments, game system tweaks, etc. found in 1.18a and 1.18b as substantive content.***


Just wanted to make sure that I'm correctly writing off all of the new stuff I'm seeing on Lodestone / ZAM as pie in the sky dreams and empty promises from SE. Not to sound cynical of course :-P
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I'm not sure what pie in the sky you're talking about, but 1.19 will be arriving shortly, disasters not-withstanding. All bets are on the end of this week, with the start of the Founder's Day event and the 1 year anniversary of the game's launch.
#5 Sep 20 2011 at 12:47 PM Rating: Good
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Awesome, thank you!

So...just to recap and confirm what I just read...since the last "real" patch (1.18, implemented in July), absolutely nothing substantive has been added to this game? ***I don't count the bug fixes, game balance adjustments, game system tweaks, etc. found in 1.18a and 1.18b as substantive content.***


Just wanted to make sure that I'm correctly writing off all of the new stuff I'm seeing on Lodestone / ZAM as pie in the sky dreams and empty promises from SE. Not to sound cynical of course :-P

Yoshi-P has already outlined what will be in the upcoming patch. There are no dreams or empty promises. Just fact.

Edited, Sep 20th 2011 2:48pm by StateAlchemist
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#6 Sep 20 2011 at 1:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Lol no way xD
It's going to be half way October at the earliest for sure!
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Glad to hear that 1.19 is finally almost here. I guess it's good timing on my part to be checking in on XIV.

Patch notes are a list of things that SE is promising to deliver in patch 1.19; the actual substantive game content doesn't become a verified fact until it's been successfully implemented and we are playing the content.

I guess the kool-aid has gotten stronger since I've been gone. When I left six months ago, we were waiting for that game saving patch, and today when I checked in on the game, it looks like people are still putting a lot of stock into the next game saving patch. Hope 1.19 delivers what you are looking for.
#8 Sep 20 2011 at 1:23 PM Rating: Good
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Patch notes are a list of things that SE is promising to deliver in patch 1.19; the actual substantive game content doesn't become a verified fact until it's been successfully implemented and we are playing the content.


You said dreams and empty promises. THOSE are indeed not fact. However, promises that are not EMPTY, are indeed fact. The only thing that would cause someone to break a promise (that wasn't empty) would be something completely out of their control (in which case I wouldn't blame them).

You make it sound like SE is "promising" us the Materia system and all these other changes, and will then at the last minute say nevermind. Choose your words better next time. Coming back after 6 months and claiming everything SE is currently planning and will be implementing in the next patch as total BS, is just silly. How can I even take you seriously after saying that?
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#9 Sep 20 2011 at 1:55 PM Rating: Good
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You make it sound like SE is "promising" us the Materia system and all these other changes, and will then at the last minute say nevermind.


Uhm that has already happend several times. I don't think it will happen this, except for the delay.

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#10 Sep 20 2011 at 1:58 PM Rating: Good
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You make it sound like SE is "promising" us the Materia system and all these other changes, and will then at the last minute say nevermind.


Uhm that has already happend several times. I don't think it will happen this, except for the delay.

Edited, Sep 20th 2011 9:57pm by RedGalka

Example?
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#11 Sep 20 2011 at 2:00 PM Rating: Good
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StateAlchemist of Amestris wrote:
RedGalka wrote:
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You make it sound like SE is "promising" us the Materia system and all these other changes, and will then at the last minute say nevermind.


Uhm that has already happend several times. I don't think it will happen this, except for the delay.

Edited, Sep 20th 2011 9:57pm by RedGalka

Example?


There was a lot of things pre-release that fall under this category, but nothing recently, as far as I am aware.
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StateAlchemist of Amestris wrote:
RedGalka wrote:
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You make it sound like SE is "promising" us the Materia system and all these other changes, and will then at the last minute say nevermind.


Uhm that has already happend several times. I don't think it will happen this, except for the delay.

Edited, Sep 20th 2011 9:57pm by RedGalka

Example?

The only one I can think of was actually FFXI. With the (in hindsight) hilarious "trolling" RNGs got with the enmity changes.

"We will be making it so that RNGs will receive less enmity the further away from the monster they stand."

Literally Patch Day: "Er... Um... sorry about that, never mind, maybe eventually."
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Hulan wrote:
StateAlchemist of Amestris wrote:
RedGalka wrote:
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You make it sound like SE is "promising" us the Materia system and all these other changes, and will then at the last minute say nevermind.


Uhm that has already happend several times. I don't think it will happen this, except for the delay.

Edited, Sep 20th 2011 9:57pm by RedGalka

Example?

The only one I can think of was actually FFXI. With the (in hindsight) hilarious "trolling" RNGs got with the enmity changes.

"We will be making it so that RNGs will receive less enmity the further away from the monster they stand."

Literally Patch Day: "Er... Um... sorry about that, never mind, maybe eventually."


There were a lot of things like this in FFXI, white chocobos and the chocobo races outside the stadium come to mind. Anything with Pankaration after the official launch, etc. But that's FFXI.
#14 Sep 20 2011 at 2:09 PM Rating: Good
The only examples I have seen were all from FFXI or Pre-launch FFXIV, therefore inadmissible, since Yoshi wasn't the one making the promises. He has yet to go back on his word so therefore his promise still holds weight to it as far as I am concerned.
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#15 Sep 20 2011 at 2:13 PM Rating: Good
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StateAlchemist of Amestris wrote:
The only examples I have seen were all from FFXI or Pre-launch FFXIV, therefore inadmissible, since Yoshi wasn't the one making the promises. He has yet to go back on his word so therefore his promise still holds weight to it as far as I am concerned.

It's a hard balance to strike. Players demand information, and certainly releasing information gets people pumped and interested in your game. But if you release it too early, there's a chance it will backfire on you if you need to change something, or if your players lose interest before it's released.
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He [Yoshi-P] has yet to go back on his word so therefore his promise still holds weight to it as far as I am concerned.


You are right, I can't think of a single specific instance in which Yoshi has gone back on his word. I also can't think of a single substantial promise that Yoshi-P made, followed through with, and delivered on. He's done nothing to cause me to doubt him, but he's also done absolutely nothing to inspire my trust in him or this game.

Do you have a specific example of a significant game changing improvement that Yoshi-P has promised and actually delivered on?
Maybe I'm missing something, but I just haven't seen Yoshi deliver anything that would inspire such devotion and blind faith. A handful of NM's, 2 "raids", and some modest gameplay tweaks and changes in 9+ months is pretty underwhelming IMO.

Edited, Sep 20th 2011 5:46pm by thejones
#17 Sep 20 2011 at 4:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Come on and release 1.19 already so these haters can shut up. Play the game or go away for good.
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Come on and release 1.19 already so these haters can shut up. Play the game or go away for good.
Smiley: lolSmiley: lolSmiley: lolSmiley: lolSmiley: lol

A year later and people are still giving the same defense as they were during open beta.
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[quote] A handful of NM's, 2 "raids", and some modest gameplay tweaks and changes in 9+ months is pretty underwhelming IMO.


You make it sound like it's possible to throw all of those things together in a few days.

Fact is, YP has been above all else transparent in what has been happening with the game. They started rolling out some ideas in the first few months of his time as director/producer when he and his team realized that to do all the things they wanted, they'd have to redo the core mechanics of the game.

1.18 was the start of these changes. 1.19 will continue that with the removal of physical levels and a revamp of stat and damage algorithms.

One thing has been clear in all the communication we've received since the devs have committed to this stretch of patches, they are ardently working themselves to the bone in order to make this a game worth playing.

But you are right in that Yoshi-P hasn't had much of a chance to let us down. 1.19 through 1.21 are a defining moment for Yoshi-P and his team. But a lot of us hail from the XI days when we wouldn't hear from SE for months and most things they did end up saying were not always good for a portion of the community.

Yoshi-P's commitment to being an open and honest communicator throughout this process is what has most of us believing he'll deliver on what he says. It's a side of SE most of us have wanted to see for years. So the trust is his to lose.
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StateAlchemist of Amestris wrote:
The only examples I have seen were all from FFXI or Pre-launch FFXIV, therefore inadmissible, since Yoshi wasn't the one making the promises. He has yet to go back on his word so therefore his promise still holds weight to it as far as I am concerned.



-They promised us the ability to hire more retainers... then promised it again last november (still can't hire as many as we would like)

That is the one that irritates me the most actually...
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#21 Sep 20 2011 at 4:42 PM Rating: Good
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StateAlchemist of Amestris wrote:
The only examples I have seen were all from FFXI or Pre-launch FFXIV, therefore inadmissible, since Yoshi wasn't the one making the promises. He has yet to go back on his word so therefore his promise still holds weight to it as far as I am concerned.



-They promised us the ability to hire more retainers... then promised it again last november (still can't hire as many as we would like)

That is the one that irritates me the most actually...


You have two retainers now don't you? That's more then the one we started with. Just because you want more then the more they gave you doesn't mean they didn't give you more.

If I promised you cake, and then gave you a slice, would you complain that you didn't the whole thing?
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#22 Sep 20 2011 at 4:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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They promised the ability to hire as many as you need iirc. You were going to be able to hire them for 1$ month increase in fee.

And given how deeply having to play inventory tetris affects my enjoyment of the game - I feel perfectly justified in being annoyed.
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#23 Sep 20 2011 at 4:53 PM Rating: Good
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You were going to be able to hire them for 1$ month increase in fee.

Yes but the game is free currently. They cant let you have unlimited retainers because then when they start charging someone will have 15,000,000 retainers all full of stuff and then make a big deal about not wanting to pay for them and not wanting to lose all of their stuff. So instead they gave everyone another free retainer (which I am 99% sure was never intended and because of what happened, most likely permanently free).
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#24 Sep 20 2011 at 5:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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StateAlchemist of Amestris wrote:
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You were going to be able to hire them for 1$ month increase in fee.

Yes but the game is free currently. They cant let you have unlimited retainers because then when they start charging someone will have 15,000,000 retainers all full of stuff and then make a big deal about not wanting to pay for them and not wanting to lose all of their stuff. So instead they gave everyone another free retainer (which I am 99% sure was never intended and because of what happened, most likely permanently free).
Really? 15 million?
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#25 Sep 20 2011 at 6:33 PM Rating: Good
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Really? 15 million?

Yeah. They said they were going to make a whole zone for each person the size of Eorzea and stock it with 15,000,000 retainers. Really.
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#26 Sep 21 2011 at 4:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Maybe I'm missing something, but I just haven't seen Yoshi deliver anything that would inspire such devotion and blind faith. A handful of NM's, 2 "raids", and some modest gameplay tweaks and changes in 9+ months is pretty underwhelming IMO.

You haven't played the game in 6 months. So, if you haven't seen anything that he's done, how could you have seen what he's delivered?

The apparently overbearing desire for people to troll a game that they don't play never ceases to amaze me.

And just for the sake of clarity, Yoshi P has delivered dozens of NMs. I'd point out the dozens of other things that have been promised and delivered by pointing you to the lists of things he's planning and already developed. But let's face it -- you're not actually interested in seeing what he's delivered. You're only interested in bashing a game that you don't play.

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I also thought this was funny. Here's your OP:
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I was hoping the ZAM community could help me out and let me know what's actually changed in the game since 6 months ago

And then when you realized that lots of things have changed in the last 6 months, your next post said this:
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So...just to recap and confirm what I just read...since the last "real" patch (1.18, implemented in July), absolutely nothing substantive has been added to this game?

Oh, no! The game's improved in the last 6 months! Quick, move the goalposts!

Edited, Sep 21st 2011 6:47pm by VydarrTyr
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Maybe I'm missing something, but I just haven't seen Yoshi deliver anything that would inspire such devotion and blind faith. A handful of NM's, 2 "raids", and some modest gameplay tweaks and changes in 9+ months is pretty underwhelming IMO.

You haven't played the game in 6 months. So, if you haven't seen anything that he's done, how could you have seen what he's delivered?

The apparently overbearing desire for people to troll a game that they don't play never ceases to amaze me.

And just for the sake of clarity, Yoshi P has delivered dozens of NMs. I'd point out the dozens of other things that have been promised and delivered by pointing you to the lists of things he's planning and already developed. But let's face it -- you're not actually interested in seeing what he's delivered. You're only interested in bashing a game that you don't play.


Now now, let's not get our knickers in knots. What you consider to be a nigh-revolution in MMO gameplay may not be what others see. Just because that opinion differs from your opinion, you don't have to get all butthurt and troll someone you're accusing of trolling. Why don't you be a dear and go play your reams of content and we'll stay out here and complain until things get better to our satisfaction, or we leave. Okay?

That way, everyone's happy.
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I know that the 2 x instanced dungeons ("raids") were released a few months back. I also know that auto-attack was implemented and there have been some other tweaks to the UI. I know that there are beastmen out in the field now and I know that the leve system has been changed (i.e. nerfed) so that you can't recycle the same leves over and over again. From what I've gathered in the forums, grinding is the way "rank up" now...

What else has actually happened since then? Did 1.19 come out yet? Has the Grand Companies content and associated quests been released? Have any maps been overhauled? Any new jobs system? Any new world NM's?

I've tried to keep up with ZAM forums to see what's going on with XIV but it's hard to discern what are promised changes and what's actually been implemented in game. I can't even figure out how to navigate the Lodestone forums. I was hoping the ZAM community could help me out and let me know what's actually changed in the game since 6 months ago (other than what I mentioned at the top of this post).

Thanks in advance for your time.



Nah nothing happened. It's the same. I still play it happily more than ever.
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