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#1 Sep 21 2011 at 4:04 PM Rating: Good
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Check it out!


This image was originally posted on the official forums.

Seems the Famitsu hitting shelves 9/27 will have an interview with Yoshi-P as the cover story and what else is featured on the teased cover than some concept art of job-specific gear!
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えええ!あのファミ通を買いたいです!AMAZONに行くぜ!

Translation: NEED BUY THAT sh*t

Edit: So...

Front and center: Paladin
Far left: Black Mage
Far right: White Mage
Bottom right: Monk
Far top: Dark Knight
Near top: Is elezen wielding a bow attached to a harp!?
Middle Bottom: Who's this axe guy with horns and a red surcoat? (Durp: Warrior perhaps? Thank god it looks nothing like FFXI's Warrior...)

Edited, Sep 21st 2011 3:30pm by RamseySylph
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RamseySylph wrote:
えええ!あのファミ通を買いたいです!AMAZONに行くぜ!

Translation: NEED BUY THAT sh*t

Edit: So...

Front and center: Paladin
Far left: Black Mage
Far right: White Mage
Bottom right: Monk
Far top: Dark Knight
Near top: Is elezen wielding a bow attached to a harp!?
Middle Bottom: Who's this axe guy with horns and a red surcoat? (Durp: Warrior perhaps? Thank god it looks nothing like FFXI's Warrior...)

Edited, Sep 21st 2011 3:30pm by RamseySylph


It looked more like a BeastMaster from FFXI :p
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ugh it hurts my eyes to look at that image. what a jumbled mess, every job has the same color palette and they're all stacked on top of each other so i can't tell where a galka starts and a lalafell ends.

its a shame since the actual drawings are well done, but seriously, aside from pld and blm i can barely see anything. still, good news.
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It looks more than Berseker or BeastMaster than Warrior, but all of this use axes or great axes... so could be... anything... lol
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I'm just glad we'll be hearing more about what's coming down the pipes, we need a shot of adrenaline as far as things to look forward to go.

Every time I see BLM AF it makes me think of Black Waltz more and more... and makes me really... want to play BLM...

I may just end up doing that to... if we don't get Red Mage.

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It looks more than Berseker or BeastMaster than Warrior, but all of this use axes or great axes... so could be... anything... lol


Well, warrior was a more basic job that was unaccounted for in the image, hence my conclusion. I seriously doubt we'd ever actually see Berserker in a game, unless they are simply going to repackage it as the warrior equivalent. As far as beastmaster goes, I doubt we will see it in the first round of jobs, but here's to hoping!

On that note, I wouldn't mind it being Berserker instead of warrior, seeing as warrior has always been the precursor job to Knight/Paladin. Berserker has more... flavor....

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ugh it hurts my eyes to look at that image. what a jumbled mess, every job has the same color palette and they're all stacked on top of each other so i can't tell where a galka starts and a lalafell ends.

its a shame since the actual drawings are well done, but seriously, aside from pld and blm i can barely see anything. still, good news.


..........I just threw up in my mouth.

If anything I wish this game actually reflected Yoshida's art style more than it does. His art style is fantastic, and has become one of the three defining art styles of the series.

If you can not physically discern one character from another in this image, you need help with your eye-sight.

Edited, Sep 21st 2011 3:43pm by RamseySylph
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Middle Bottom: Who's this axe guy with horns and a red surcoat? (Durp: Warrior perhaps? Thank god it looks nothing like FFXI's Warrior...)



totally wishful thinking but horns and sheep wool makes me think bst
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But it seems we may see the rise of BARCHER on this game...
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I very much doubt that this is Yoshida-san's work personally; I am curious who does the concept art for FFXIV now though. It doesn't look like Amano, obviously, thought it shares a lot in common with some Korean styles I've seen.

On a completely different topic, while there is a substantial amount of evidence that ARC will become BRD - and therefore I imagine the theory that that is a bow-harp is sound - another possibility is that it is an on bow quiver like so. If you look closely, some of the "strings" do kind of look like they have fletching. It's just another possibility though, since there is a lot of evidence pointing toward the likelihood of the existence of a bow-harp.

Edit: Sorry fixed bad link vomit.

Edited, Sep 21st 2011 6:51pm by Hulan
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I'm both worried and confused at this image to a degree though, as nice as it is to see this, this shows 1 job for every 1 class, which I suppose is what they originally implied (still think it's asinine) but that means...

The armor that looks exactly like Final Fantasy IV's Dark Knight armor is.... actually... Dragoon Armor? Or Dark Knight now wields a spear? ( Or that's a scythe, it's difficult to tell if that blade is part of a spear, or the whole scythe blade at an angle... Which leads me to my next point... @#%^ SCYTHES! Why can't we go back to using Great Swords!? ) So either we're not getting jump or we're not getting souleater, or we're getting a weird Dragoon/Dark Knight hybrid with both... Or we're getting more jobs than they're showing, or they're saving one for late, or, or.... I digress.

Also, if the 1:1 ratio is the case, and this is what we're getting.

Red Mage... not... here... KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!

(This entire post up until this point is just jittery ravings. Before someone takes anything I said as an honest complaint.)

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I very much doubt that this is Yoshida-san's work personally; I am curious who does the concept art for FFXIV now though. It doesn't look like Amano, obviously, thought it shares a lot in common with some Korean styles I've seen.

On a completely different topic, while there is a substantial amount of evidence that ARC will become BRD - and therefore I imagine the theory that that is a bow-harp is sound - another possibility is that it is an on bow quiver [link=http:http://www.amazon.com/Martin-Archery-Two-Piece-Traditional-Leather/dp/B000RK8D2K]like so[/link]. If you look closely, some of the "strings" do kind of look like they have fletching. It's just another possibility though, since there is a lot of evidence pointing toward the likelihood of the existence of a bow-harp.

Edit: Sorry fixed bad link vomit.

Edited, Sep 21st 2011 6:51pm by Hulan



Are you familiar with Yoshida's art style?

I'm a pretty avid collector of his work, and I have to say, if this is not his work - they've hired pretty much the most impressive imitator I've ever seen.

It's idiotic to imply that Yoshida does every piece of artwork for the game (and I'm not implying that), but images like these are EXACTLY the types of images that he would be working on. Remember, he's the Art Director (STILL the art director, he has not left) for the entire game, it's his job to steer the course of the visual style that the game follows. Even if in the case of this game, they follow his visual style more conservatively (probably to appeal to a wider audience.)

A very important image like this, that's very high concept and is showing off a very important part of the game, is prime territory for your Lead Concept Artist to work his or her magic. I would be, very, very surprised if this is not his work. And I will literally stir fry and eat my hat if I am wrong.


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They said pretty explicitly a few months back that the plan would be to introduce one job for each class, then expand to multiple jobs per class at a later update/time.
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I really hope the WHMs get that armor someday, I always loved its design. While I do like BLM's more wizardy look, I don't have much of the personality to be a nuker.
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A bow...! With a harp attached to it...!

Oh, SE, you've made me giddy for XIV all over again!

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That is not a harp attached to the bow... If you zoom in you can clearly see the arrowheads and the feathers on it...
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That is not a harp attached to the bow... If you zoom in you can clearly see the arrowheads and the feathers on it...



Clearly? Really?

Looks like ties to me, it's up in the air what exactly it is. It's extremely elaborate if it is a quiver, I do not think they would choose to illustrate something that specific for such an important piece of concept art, unless it was in fact a harp. Especially when they've been talking about bard for a while.

Edited, Sep 21st 2011 5:29pm by RamseySylph
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RamseySylph wrote:
XenoKrates wrote:
That is not a harp attached to the bow... If you zoom in you can clearly see the arrowheads and the feathers on it...



Clearly? Really?

Looks like ties to me, it's up in the air what exactly it is. It's extremely elaborate if it is a quiver, I do not think they would choose to illustrate something that specific for such an important piece of concept art, unless it was in fact a harp. Especially when they've been talking about bard for a while.

Edited, Sep 21st 2011 5:29pm by RamseySylph

Yes, clearly. If you have ever shot a modern day compact bow, then you would know that the quiver is attached to the side like in the image and looks like that but less final fantasy-esque.
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RamseySylph wrote:
XenoKrates wrote:
That is not a harp attached to the bow... If you zoom in you can clearly see the arrowheads and the feathers on it...



Clearly? Really?

Looks like ties to me, it's up in the air what exactly it is. It's extremely elaborate if it is a quiver, I do not think they would choose to illustrate something that specific for such an important piece of concept art, unless it was in fact a harp. Especially when they've been talking about bard for a while.

Edited, Sep 21st 2011 5:29pm by RamseySylph


Yes, I can see it too. At the top of the "strings" is the black feather fletching, at the bottom are the small white diamond shapes of the arrowheads. It's most definitely a quiver.
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Zorvan wrote:
RamseySylph wrote:
XenoKrates wrote:
That is not a harp attached to the bow... If you zoom in you can clearly see the arrowheads and the feathers on it...



Clearly? Really?

Looks like ties to me, it's up in the air what exactly it is. It's extremely elaborate if it is a quiver, I do not think they would choose to illustrate something that specific for such an important piece of concept art, unless it was in fact a harp. Especially when they've been talking about bard for a while.

Edited, Sep 21st 2011 5:29pm by RamseySylph


Yes, I can see it too. At the top of the "strings" is the black feather fletching, at the bottom are the small white diamond shapes of the arrowheads. It's most definitely a quiver.


So then you guys think that the picture is showing Paladin, White Mage, Black Mage, Monk, "Dragon Knight," [Marauder's Job], and... a normal Archer, because SE forgot about Bard, and there's no way that's a harp? XD

Edit: the more I look at it, the more they still seem like strings to me; threaded into the harp at the bottom and wrapped around something (to tune the instrument?) at the top.

Maybe everyone's right: and it's actually a harp modelled after a quiver - or a musical quiver modelled after a harp!


Edited, Sep 22nd 2011 1:10am by KaneKitty
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I'm pretty sure that the guy at the top is a Dragoon, but that's me being hopeful. I want to know what the Axe guy is for sure since MRD is my favorite class so far..

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I wish they were adding Blue mage from the beginning this time ;-;. Q-Q;;;;
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I wish they were adding Blue mage from the beginning this time ;-;. Q-Q;;;;


Unless there are surprises, they're not even adding Red Mage. I want Blue Mage, but I definitely at least want Red Mage first. Hopefully they have a solid plan to implement a lot of jobs over the course of a steady number of updates, because the game is going to be lagging behind in the variety department, due to dividing it up into two class/job systems.
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Looks like a quiver to me... but quite possibly the most inefficient quiver ever conceived by the mind of a man.

Can't help but notice though all the sharp edges and weapon-like qualities of that quiver. Perhaps this will be the ranger job, or maybe even musketeer, and maybe this advanced version of the archer will be able to swing his bow as a weapon in close-combat situations.
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Though I'm not into H2H, but seriously the weapon of a beast head looks very nice. Throw in a Voltron sword and voila - it's complete!
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I love the BLM look, but I doubt we would get to see it in that form in-game, even if it will be similar. I really like the one glowing eye and like one patched up eye and no other features of the face. Looks really cool, hoping we will get to see something like it, but again, I doubt it. Love the hat too.

The other armor looks really cool too although I can't quite figure out exactly what parts fit what at times :)
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It's a quivarp. A musical quiver.

Also, the advanced class for Archer could be Ranger, so while aesthetically they look the same, they could have very different implementation.
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That Dark Knight is actually a Dragoon. If you look closely, you can see the spear tip extends. Plus, the Dragoon is kinda in a Kain-esque stance.

As for Red Mage, recently in an interview (I think it was the Famitsu Special Edition)that Red Mage, or jobs that require a combination of classes would be available eventually.
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Oh god not this conversation again!

Bow-harp was the topic of the entire lodestone post.

I'll sum up what I recall:
1.) Appears like it might be a dagger with harp attached, that you can detach to play the harp but also turns into a bow? (I don't see this personally but that was one though)
2.) The Harp "flips" down, looks like its on a hinge (possibly, looks like that)
3.) It's a composite bow with pulleys and not a harp at all (doubt this one)
4.) It's a harp - bow and that's that.

Then there was discussion about how arc = bard doesn't make sense, yet historically Bards have used ranged weapons and or daggers.

ALSO:
The top "dark armor" elf guy is probably Dragon Knight or Dragoon, I guess this is a classic armor look for Dragoons from one of the earlier FF games (Kain). But really it could be anything... I'm not going to speculate this is just what I read.

2ND ALSO:
The BLM and WHM casting maybe clues to the new casting animations because Matsui said they were going to be adding the ability to cast w/o having your weapon drawn.


Chew on that, I'm just enjoying the artwork and hearing more about this.

Edited, Sep 22nd 2011 8:32am by RemVye
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2ND ALSO:
The BLM and WHM casting maybe clues to the new casting animations because Matsui said they were going to be adding the ability to cast w/o having your weapon drawn.


Chew on that, I'm just enjoying the artwork and hearing more about this.

Edited, Sep 22nd 2011 8:32am by RemVye



Woooow, really? Because this is one of the things that have annoyed me so much and I would LOOVE to see us be able to cast without having my weapon drawn!!! Do you possibly have a source (Not that I doubt you, more that I want to read more specifically what they say about it)?
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O GOD IT ACTUALLY IS A HARPBOW. Look at the arrow he's holding, then to the "ones" on the harp. This is so dumb I can't even comprehend it.
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We already know, from the translation posted about a month ago, that Black Mage, White Mage, Paladin, Monk, Dragon Knight, and Bard are coming. Knowing this, the "Dark Knight" is actually more of a Dragoon. This, of course, makes sense, as it's a Lancer job. But from what source are people getting Ranger? And Musketeer is even less likely, since "Musketeer" simply means "[someone] armed with a musket."

By correlating past evidence, I believe what this picture shows is apparent. The only room for speculation comes in the form of how that strange bow will be used and what that Marauder job is.
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How much did they pay to get on the cover?

And what's with neglecting all the DoL and DoH classes? That was the one thing that really made me say "Wow, FFXIV is really doing something innovative here." Yeah, they're no fun to play, but seems like a "job" system would be an ideal way to fix that.
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How much did they pay to get on the cover?

And what's with neglecting all the DoL and DoH classes? That was the one thing that really made me say "Wow, FFXIV is really doing something innovative here." Yeah, they're no fun to play, but seems like a "job" system would be an ideal way to fix that.



No official word but I'm pretty sure DoL/DoH things are on the back burner until they fix battle, jobs, add more battle content, and hopefully fix some server issues related to animation and lag.

I know Yoshi said they want / "in the future have plans" to implement DoL/DoH based content. I'm pretty sure most people excluding Tony Montana :D and maybe 5% of the population who plays thinks crafting is utterly boring. For me, I only craft when there is a good movie on... spam standard and don't pay attention.

To be honest I wish they would make the whole crafting process a little more exciting and "active" rather than... enter.. wait 4 seconds... enter... wait 4 seconds.. repeat until you hear a ding or explosion.
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I think crafting is boring now but that doesn't mean I wouldn't like it to be made better. In fact it not being fun is exactly why it needs to be made better.

I do like making money, however.
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The cover image featured on Connect-On consists of job concept art. The weapons each job is wielding are things we are planning to implement into the game. In regards to which job is what and what they equip, we'll leave that up to you and your imaginations for the time being.

It seems like the weapon that drew the most attention was the bow... I can tell you that it is in fact a bow that transforms.


http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/forum.php#threads/24211?p=349656%23post349656
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Bayohne wrote:
The cover image featured on Connect-On consists of job concept art. The weapons each job is wielding are things we are planning to implement into the game. In regards to which job is what and what they equip, we'll leave that up to you and your imaginations for the time being.

It seems like the weapon that drew the most attention was the bow... I can tell you that it is in fact a bow that transforms.


http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/forum.php#threads/24211?p=349656%23post349656


Smiley: waycool Well then... Seems we may be back to harp bow after all, or who knows what at this point.
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I think it has to be a harp bow because we know already there is going to be a 'bard' job. And theres nothing else in this photo that could closely resemble a bard. Also I think it would make bard a more interesting class...and it saves room for a future gun class that will probaly focus more on damage dealing than this bard class will. (in ff 11 it was the opposite, guns ended up becomming a 'bard class') Though I have to say a bow and harp reminds me of "cupids"...lets hope thats not the final name for this job...
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All that was said is that it is a transforming Bow, and while I can do admit it looks like the main body of the bow likely becomes the body of a harp there is nothing I can find in the picture to sugest the sidemounted quiver is anything but a quiver drawn slopeing away from us.

Edit: P.S. I will never play a bard, my archer will remain an archer... Personal choise, don't realy care what others think of it :P

Re-edit: Maybe if the bards were more like Dragon Age Bards, spys and assassins pretending to be musicans... I could get into that.

Edited, Sep 22nd 2011 11:26pm by zurinadrg

Edited, Sep 22nd 2011 11:28pm by zurinadrg
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Isn't Thancred a Bard?...and he wields daggers/throwing knives...not a bow.
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Isn't Thancred a Bard?...and he wields daggers/throwing knives...not a bow.


Don't War Warlocks in FFXI wield ONE fist weapon, while also wearing robes and steepled hats?

If "npcs do not obey the laws of anything" wasn't a strong enough argument for you though, Thancred has been around since the old dev team was in charge, and jobs were not even a sparkle in Yoshida's eye (or anyone's) back then they had the idea of the interchangeable class system, who knows what ideas they had down the road for bard.

Also, as far as I am aware Thancred never actually plays an instrument, or sings.
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Also, as far as I am aware Thancred never actually plays an instrument, or sings.

He mentions being a bard and knowing the verse that Urianger was reciting.

Personally, if the Archer/Bard direction means that Bards can revert to Archer mode for DPS/soloing and Bard mode for grouping, I think I have just found my next class/job.

Ah ****, who am I kidding, I'll take them all to 50 anyway.
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A transforming bow... could it be ... a moogle? no wait, that's in FF13-2 :P

Edited, Sep 23rd 2011 10:52pm by RdeLeo
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First it starts with one silly hybrid weapon, then it's insanity from there. inb4 mandolinaxe, flutelance, and drumguns.
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A transforming bow... could it be ... a moggle? no wait, that's in FF13-2 :P


What the ****'s a "moggle?"
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Don't War Warlocks in FFXI wield ONE fist weapon, while also wearing robes and steepled hats?


What.................. i know WoW was bad but i never knew the jobs from WoW migrated to FFXI....
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RamseySylph wrote:
Don't War Warlocks in FFXI wield ONE fist weapon, while also wearing robes and steepled hats?


What.................. i know WoW was bad but i never knew the jobs from WoW migrated to FFXI....

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/wiki/The_War_Warlocks
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I will never play a bard, my archer will remain an archer... Personal choise, don't realy care what others think of it :P

Re-edit: Maybe if the bards were more like Dragon Age Bards, spys and assassins pretending to be musicans... I could get into that.


I'm excited at the prospect of having a role that's not either tank, damage, or healer. I like playing support classes, I liked Bard in FFXI, and you have to admit that there are more than enough damage-dealing options already in existence.


Edited, Sep 23rd 2011 11:49am by KaneKitty
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"... he called to himself a wizard, named Gallery, hoping by this means to escape the paying of the fifteen hundred crowns..." (Machen 15)

"Thus opium is pleasing... on account of the agreeable delirium it produces." (Burke para.6)

"I could only read so much for this paper and the syphilis poem had to go."
#48 Sep 23 2011 at 11:37 AM Rating: Good
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The bow harp might actually be half a dagger with a harp on top. Look at the bottom of the bow, it could be a dagger harp combo that transforms into a bow!eithet way im playing bard
#49 Sep 23 2011 at 7:57 PM Rating: Good
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Docent42 wrote:
RamseySylph wrote:
Also, as far as I am aware Thancred never actually plays an instrument, or sings.

He mentions being a bard and knowing the verse that Urianger was reciting.

Personally, if the Archer/Bard direction means that Bards can revert to Archer mode for DPS/soloing and Bard mode for grouping, I think I have just found my next class/job.

Ah ****, who am I kidding, I'll take them all to 50 anyway.


I know this, what I meant was from the game's perspective, he's not a "bard" in that there is no "bard" class or job. I realize narratively he is a bard.

TwiddleDee wrote:
RamseySylph wrote:
Don't War Warlocks in FFXI wield ONE fist weapon, while also wearing robes and steepled hats?


What.................. i know WoW was bad but i never knew the jobs from WoW migrated to FFXI....



...What?

Are you seriously insinuating that the eytomology of the word Warlock originates in World of Warcraft, or was that some kind of epic troll fail?
#50 Sep 24 2011 at 9:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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if where going to start combining things when do i get my axeswordpole-bowgun?.....
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#51 Sep 25 2011 at 12:28 AM Rating: Decent
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My take is that the top spike armor guy is marauder>dark knight. It looks similar to ff11's dark knight armor and that is most definitely a scythe in my mind with it's head on the "ground",the blade facing towards the knights head.

The bst looking big guy is...a lnc>samurai hybrid. dun dun dun! He has a tipped piercing and slashing weapon and lnc already has a bunch of samurai like tp moves.

Though I hope I'm wrong really because I'm lnc and would love that spike armor.
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