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#52 Sep 25 2011 at 5:38 AM Rating: Decent
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pretty **** sure the spiked armour is for DRG, and they're just taking MRD in the BST direction.
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#53 Sep 25 2011 at 10:07 AM Rating: Good
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Arnavel wrote:
pretty **** sure the spiked armour is for DRG, and they're just taking MRD in the BST direction.


Well, unless there's another class besides the polearm-wielding Lancer that "Dragon Knight" can go to...
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#54 Sep 25 2011 at 10:25 AM Rating: Decent
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The interview I assume will hit the shelves tomorrow? I'm pretty sure 'Dragon Knight' came from a translated Japanese interview, right? I could be wrong, its been a while since I read that. Either way, I imagine it will be later named "Dragoon", Dragon Knight is just silly...
#55 Sep 25 2011 at 11:44 AM Rating: Decent
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zuogehaomeng wrote:
The interview I assume will hit the shelves tomorrow? I'm pretty sure 'Dragon Knight' came from a translated Japanese interview, right? I could be wrong, its been a while since I read that. Either way, I imagine it will be later named "Dragoon", Dragon Knight is just silly...


Dragon Knight and Dragoon are interchangeable terms, Dragoons were first called Dragon Knights, so... yeah?

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#56 Sep 25 2011 at 3:01 PM Rating: Decent
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I was always annoyed at how good archers were, now that they're job looks like its going to be bard I don't feel so bad. I got nothing against bard as a job, I just would hate going from massive DD to support...
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KenJammin wrote:
I was always annoyed at how good archers were, now that they're job looks like its going to be bard I don't feel so bad. I got nothing against bard as a job, I just would hate going from massive DD to support...


I am so happy at the prospect of going from DD to support. I never felt much of a rapport with any class, and being a more passive, helpful class in FFXIV really appeals to me. I hope it turns out that I can solo easily on Archer or be a "good" DD in parties (if I have to), but ultimately contribute even more through strategic support.

In short, I can only hope that Bard will turn out to be more like it was in FFXI rather than how it appears in games like LotRO and Tera, where it plays just like a DD class, but simply does less damage and all the attacks cast support buffs on people instead. In those games, the "support" is all still button-mashing and combo points, in other words. As I have said before, I think there is more than enough potential for damage dealing in the game already; it's time to bring in some other play types! :D
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#58 Sep 25 2011 at 4:27 PM Rating: Decent
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KaneKitty wrote:
KenJammin wrote:
I was always annoyed at how good archers were, now that they're job looks like its going to be bard I don't feel so bad. I got nothing against bard as a job, I just would hate going from massive DD to support...


I am so happy at the prospect of going from DD to support. I never felt much of a rapport with any class, and being a more passive, helpful class in FFXIV really appeals to me. I hope it turns out that I can solo easily on Archer or be a "good" DD in parties (if I have to), but ultimately contribute even more through strategic support.

In short, I can only hope that Bard will turn out to be more like it was in FFXI rather than how it appears in games like LotRO and Tera, where it plays just like a DD class, but simply does less damage and all the attacks cast support buffs on people instead. In those games, the "support" is all still button-mashing and combo points, in other words. As I have said before, I think there is more than enough potential for damage dealing in the game already; it's time to bring in some other play types! :D


Wait what, there's a Bard class in TERA?

Anyway, I also don't have a problem with Archer potentially being a support/DD hybrid, but I could see why some who chose archer for pure DD might be annoyed, which is why I actually have nightmares about the way they're implementing jobs 1:1, instead of a more FFT style system.... But, well, too late to worry about it now!

That being said, I am sure the class will not resemble Bard as we know it from FFXI too closely, (if it is in fact Bard) seeing as you'll still be shooting arrow,s you'll definitely be doing more damage than Bard ever did. And besides, we all know you're not allowed to have an aoe with a range of more than '3 in this game, so that you have to cast buffs over and over if your party is moving around. Get ready for single target buff-a-thon! (god I hope not)

If anything, it would be super to see songs with a mixture of enhancements, so as not to require ridiculous positioning, unless they finally add an AoE indicator, why isn't there one?
#59 Sep 25 2011 at 5:04 PM Rating: Good
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RamseySylph wrote:
Wait what, there's a Bard class in TERA?

Anyway, I also don't have a problem with Archer potentially being a support/DD hybrid, but I could see why some who chose archer for pure DD might be annoyed, which is why I actually have nightmares about the way they're implementing jobs 1:1, instead of a more FFT style system.... But, well, too late to worry about it now!

That being said, I am sure the class will not resemble Bard as we know it from FFXI too closely, (if it is in fact Bard) seeing as you'll still be shooting arrow,s you'll definitely be doing more damage than Bard ever did. And besides, we all know you're not allowed to have an aoe with a range of more than '3 in this game, so that you have to cast buffs over and over if your party is moving around. Get ready for single target buff-a-thon! (god I hope not)

If anything, it would be super to see songs with a mixture of enhancements, so as not to require ridiculous positioning, unless they finally add an AoE indicator, why isn't there one?


Oops, not Tera, I meant Rift, sorry! Sometimes all these MMOs start to run together, especially in a post-WoW world, where it's getting harder and harder to tell a new game from a WoW patch announcement. XD

Moving back to FFXIV, though, I think that our famous harp-bow will come into play in a very good way - SE was smart to make Archer go into Bard, because if Bard needs to worry about positioning and running after various players, then having the ability to attack from a distance greatly improves their ability to multi-task. Most likely, an Archer will have to simply "tone down" (see what I did there?) their damage rather than eliminate it altogether. If Bard came from, say, Marauder (which is obviously doesn't, but this is for the sake of example), then you would have to completely abandon any hope of actually attacking the enemy when in "Bard-mode."
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#60 Sep 25 2011 at 5:19 PM Rating: Decent
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KaneKitty wrote:
RamseySylph wrote:
Wait what, there's a Bard class in TERA?

Anyway, I also don't have a problem with Archer potentially being a support/DD hybrid, but I could see why some who chose archer for pure DD might be annoyed, which is why I actually have nightmares about the way they're implementing jobs 1:1, instead of a more FFT style system.... But, well, too late to worry about it now!

That being said, I am sure the class will not resemble Bard as we know it from FFXI too closely, (if it is in fact Bard) seeing as you'll still be shooting arrow,s you'll definitely be doing more damage than Bard ever did. And besides, we all know you're not allowed to have an aoe with a range of more than '3 in this game, so that you have to cast buffs over and over if your party is moving around. Get ready for single target buff-a-thon! (god I hope not)

If anything, it would be super to see songs with a mixture of enhancements, so as not to require ridiculous positioning, unless they finally add an AoE indicator, why isn't there one?


Oops, not Tera, I meant Rift, sorry! Sometimes all these MMOs start to run together, especially in a post-WoW world, where it's getting harder and harder to tell a new game from a WoW patch announcement. XD

Moving back to FFXIV, though, I think that our famous harp-bow will come into play in a very good way - SE was smart to make Archer go into Bard, because if Bard needs to worry about positioning and running after various players, then having the ability to attack from a distance greatly improves their ability to multi-task. Most likely, an Archer will have to simply "tone down" (see what I did there?) their damage rather than eliminate it altogether. If Bard came from, say, Marauder (which is obviously doesn't, but this is for the sake of example), then you would have to completely abandon any hope of actually attacking the enemy when in "Bard-mode."


Unless their instrument is also a giant hammer: See Monster Hunter.

That being said, assuming there is indeed a transformation between bow and harp, that indicates that one would have to be in one mode or the other anyways, unless these transitions are quick and seamless (doubtful...) I look forward to seeing how things go, and only hope that they add AoE indicators or do not make Bard work anything like it did in FFXI, because landing party buff AoEs on your party in FFXIV is even worse than it was in FFXI, and that's pretty difficult to accomplish!
#61 Sep 26 2011 at 10:49 AM Rating: Good
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Honestly, if it's X class transitions into Y job... that makes me quite sad over the prospects of this game. I was very much hoping that Jobs would be open to members of any class (of course, some would be more suited to certain jobs than others). If it's like the old "Advanced Classes" from earlier FF titles, where Thief became Ninja, Monk became Master, etc... I'm not sure I would come back to the game for that, I guess is what I'm saying.
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#62 Sep 26 2011 at 1:46 PM Rating: Decent
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The Famitsu Connect issue in question should hit news stands tomorrow, hopefully we get some quick scans. I was going to order an issue from Amazon, but decided against it when the shipping was 40$ (4x the price of the item) hurrah!
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http://www.dualshockers.com/2011/09/26/final-fantasy-xiv-will-get-transformable-bows/

In regards to the bow. . . apologies if this has already been posted.

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#64 Sep 26 2011 at 2:09 PM Rating: Decent
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http://www.dualshockers.com/2011/09/26/final-fantasy-xiv-will-get-transformable-bows/

In regards to the bow. . . apologies if this has already been posted.



It was on the first page of this thread.
#65 Sep 26 2011 at 7:54 PM Rating: Decent
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My honest guess about the bow:
Its a bow / Crossbow mix. While a Bard would be cool, I'm really thinking that it folds down to be a crossbow, and can shoot different bolts in rapid succession (think like poison bolts or other status ailments from FFXI). The crossbow will be for rapid fire and debuffing, the longbow form will be for big damage hits.

Again, if its a harp/ musical instrument I'm cool with that since it will add a really cool party buffing element, but I just think its a bit of a stretch for archer to be a bard.
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MerylStryfe wrote:
My honest guess about the bow:
Its a bow / Crossbow mix. While a Bard would be cool, I'm really thinking that it folds down to be a crossbow, and can shoot different bolts in rapid succession (think like poison bolts or other status ailments from FFXI). The crossbow will be for rapid fire and debuffing, the longbow form will be for big damage hits.

Again, if its a harp/ musical instrument I'm cool with that since it will add a really cool party buffing element, but I just think its a bit of a stretch for archer to be a bard.


While this would be a reasonable assumption if we only knew that a job with a transforming bow existed, and had no accompanying image... But given the image, I can't identify any parts that would; barring a sudden break in the conservation of matter, be able to transform the bow in question into a cross bow.

It seems to me a harp or some sort of melee weapon is most likely, given that the unidentified gizmo has some seemingly bladed parts to it, and resembles a harp or mounted quiver in some way. But if I'm missing something (visually) that lead you to the crossbow conclusion, please clue me in!
#67 Sep 26 2011 at 8:04 PM Rating: Decent
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My question is, why have these cans not shown up yet? **** 50$ shipping!

Edited, Sep 27th 2011 3:20pm by RamseySylph
#68 Sep 27 2011 at 9:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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Some first information I was able to fine has shown up in the form of someone's Lodestone blog entry.

No images, but there are a few points the poster is making from the interview with Naoki Yoshida... This is unconfirmed, thanks to there not being any scans. But the timing seems appropriate.


There's some junk that has nothing to do with the job system, some of it is repeated stuff we already know, some of it I didn't feel comfortable translating, and don't feel like triple checking to make sure I got it right, because either way it's something minor.

However, the big thing is, one of the bullets confirms it is a 1:1 ratio of class:job, also that it unlocks at Lv30 via a quest, and there is a quest every 5 levels after that to support job growth.

Edited, Sep 27th 2011 10:49pm by RamseySylph
#69 Sep 27 2011 at 9:55 PM Rating: Good
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It's a bow that transforms into an arrow, which is shot from the bow that it transformed back into. Paradox!
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#71 Sep 27 2011 at 10:24 PM Rating: Good
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F that. I'm more interested in these mages equipped with, what seems to be, nothing. When you reach a more advanced stage with CON/THM do you a quire the power to not need one?

Edit: Let me be more specific. Not EQUIpped-equipped... Nothing on their back or side, except BLM has a little glass jug or something. Maybe it's in the gloves since they sorta stand out.

Edited, Sep 28th 2011 12:42am by nakuMARMADUKE
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#72 Sep 27 2011 at 11:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, why no scans yet? Someone light the Elmer signal.
#73 Sep 28 2011 at 8:05 AM Rating: Good
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MerylStryfe wrote:
I just think its a bit of a stretch for archer to be a bard.


Given that we have a source that names Bard as one of the upcoming jobs, and given that both the bow itself and the "Archer's" clothing can, admittedly, seem very Bard-like (more than anyone else in that picture, certainly), why does it seem like "a stretch" for an Archer to access Bard as their job? At this point, Archer-to-Bard is actually the most sound conclusion, given the body of evidence.
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#74 Sep 28 2011 at 8:23 AM Rating: Excellent
They both can use "stringed instruments"... mwuhahaha...
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#75 Sep 28 2011 at 12:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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StateAlchemist of Amestris wrote:
They both can use "stringed instruments"... mwuhahaha...


See? Exactly.

Furthermore, as every harpist knows already, it's always just a matter of time before being asked to play renditions of Pachelbel's Canon at weddings grows unbearable and you start to load arrows into that thing.
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http://iloveff14.blog49.fc2.com/blog-entry-337.html

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Bard is confirmed. Though no scans still, starting to think there isn't much to see, and maybe the only job related stuff is text and the concept art?
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Did you know that the harp actually originated by adding extra strings to a bow?
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Zorvan wrote:
Did you know that the harp actually originated by adding extra strings to a bow?


Ooh yeah! Wow, what a fun point! :D
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