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#1 Sep 27 2011 at 9:49 AM Rating: Good
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"The Final Fantasy brand has been greatly damaged," he said. "We'll continue with our reform work, which basically amounts to fully redoing the game, and hope to revive the FFXIV that should have been released."

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The Final Fantasy brand has been greatly damaged for more than a decade.
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Yea, Wada's proving just how clueless he is. Cause clearly, all the fans are clamoring for that FFXIII-2 sequel as well as that Final Fantasy Guitar Hero DS rip, as well as FFX-HD, which while I'll admit is cool because it's my second favorite console iteration...baffles me that they would spend the resources remaking a previously popular console update that's NOT FFVII.

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To me this title is actually one of their most interesting works in years. Well looking forward to it. But yea 14 didnt help but is far from a cause.
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Agreed with lolgaxe . . .

Ever since 12 I have been extremely choked about the product this company has been selling. Although pretty, 13 was terrible. I did like 9 and 10 was decent. I just don't understand why they feel the need to re-invent concepts that fundamentally brought people to the brand/game(s) in the first place.

It has been said many times, but SE needs to realize they need to go back to their roots. If they go back, perhaps we will as well.
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To me this title is actually one of their most interesting works in years. Well looking forward to it. But yea 14 didnt help but is far from a cause.


I'm sure it'll be fun, given it's a proven fun game style and Final Fantasy fans love the music throughout the multiple iterations the game has seen...but it's not exactly what Final Fantasy RPG fans have been waiting for, if you know what I mean. :P

I simply can't imagine a bunch of SE decision-makers sitting around a table, and the question comes up of "Hey, which game could we update into an HD iteration so we can release it on PS3 as a cash cow?" and the answer wasn't Final Fantasy VII.
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#7 Sep 27 2011 at 12:35 PM Rating: Good
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We'll continue with our reform work, which basically amounts to fully redoing the game, and hope to revive the FFXIV that should have been released.


Let's hope this is more true than false.

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xxAnikalxx wrote:
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To me this title is actually one of their most interesting works in years. Well looking forward to it. But yea 14 didnt help but is far from a cause.


I'm sure it'll be fun, given it's a proven fun game style and Final Fantasy fans love the music throughout the multiple iterations the game has seen...but it's not exactly what Final Fantasy RPG fans have been waiting for, if you know what I mean. :P

I simply can't imagine a bunch of SE decision-makers sitting around a table, and the question comes up of "Hey, which game could we update into an HD iteration so we can release it on PS3 as a cash cow?" and the answer wasn't Final Fantasy VII.


Right, because Final Fantasy VII would look spectacular in HD. You do realize the FFX HD re-release is basically using the same art assets as the original game, only it's being presented in HD resolution? At best they might up the poly count (automated), and just maybe do some manual touch-ups on major characters that get a lot of screen time.

Final Fantasy VII is a bunch of blocky, ugly, super low poly characters running around against pre-rendered backgrounds. You can't just suddenly make it HD, the game would have to be re-designed from the ground up, and all of the assets recreated. If anything Final Fantasy VII fans should be happy they didn't get this treatment. It means a 7 remake might still (hopefully not) be in the works.

And in regards to everyone's complaints about XIII, you all know the game sold very well right? Admittedly, it made quite a few departures from the series norm that many fans did not appreciate, but I think that's part and parcel of what makes Final Fantasy such a lovable series, each entry is wildly different from the last. The 13 team had a unique set of problems, they were developing on new hardware, with an engine that was incomplete, there was no way they were going to make a huge open world a la FFXII, a game developed at the end of the last console cycle, when the team had a tremendous amount of experience with the hardware.

Given the difficulties the 13 team faced, I am actually surprised that they made the correct decision and created what they did. They certainly made a better decision than the team behind the game these forums are dedicated to... cough...cough...

The biggest irony is that Final Fantasy XIII-2 is really 13's development team trying to make it up to players who missed the exploration aspects of previous games, because now they have experience with the engine, with the machine, and can make that much more expansive game. So they're in a weird position where the players that XIII drove away because of its linearity may not be willing to try XIII-2, hopefully they can make the game appeal to those players.

Personally I'm going to give XIII-2 a shot, and I'm betting it's going to surprise me, the same way X-2 surprised me. Despite having a story that I didn't particularly care about (XIII-2 will seemingly be the same way... everybody do the time warp?) X-2 was amazingly fun, bringing the job system to life in a current gen game made me happy.

I'm a fairly cynical person, the FF that I enjoyed most in the years since the SNES/SFC days was XII, the only game that Nomura didn't get his filthy hands (hyperbole) all over, and incidentally, the only game that doesn't feature an exorbitant amount of belts bordering on fetishism. But I don't think the mixed bag over people's personal preferences on XIII's linearity has had even CLOSE to the same impact that Final Fantasy XIV's commercial and critical flop has had on the series, or the company's coffers, or consumer confidence.




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Pretty sure FF brand took a nosedive with 12 and 13.

Much more when 13-2 come out.
#9 Sep 27 2011 at 1:24 PM Rating: Excellent
My all time Final Fantasy favorites (excluding the MMOs):
Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest (even though it was a spin-off)
Final Fantasy VIII
Final Fantasy XIII

(Notice how VII isn't on there? Didn't say it wasn't good, but it is far from my favorite.)
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I think Vaan's nipples played a role in damaging the FF brand, too; oh, and XIII's endless hallways.

The way it is at this point, I can only hope that FFXXX won't be a series of hallways that ultimately lead to Vaan's nipples.
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I think Vaan's nipples played a role in damaging the FF brand, too; oh, and XIII's endless hallways.

The way it is at this point, I can only hope that FFXXX won't be a series of hallways that ultimately lead to Vaan's nipples.



...Not everyone had a problem with Vaan's nipples.
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FFIII (US) remains my all time favourite. For me personally it went slowly downhill starting at FFVII (even if FFVII still had a lot of great things).

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Gameboy or SNES?
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My favorite are:
FFVII
FFVIII
FFIX
FFX
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Honestly with the exception of XIV, the prior Final Fantasy games were pretty solid. Sure some got more heat than others, but that was more do to the business end of things than the game design it self.

SE needs to look back to it's roots i agree, it needs to sink in that if you look too far ahead you will keep tripping on the stone in front of your feet.
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#14 Sep 27 2011 at 1:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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FFIII (US) remains my all time favourite. For me personally it went slowly downhill starting at FFVII (even if FFVII still had a lot of great things).

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Gameboy or SNES?

SNES. Still have my original copy. :D
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FF 1. FF 7. FF 9. My favorites.

And obviously the addiction that was (and may still be!?!) FF11. Sheesh, while I am at it Chrono Trigger and Secret of Mana.

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#16 Sep 27 2011 at 2:08 PM Rating: Good
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RedGalka wrote:
FFIII (US) remains my all time favourite. For me personally it went slowly downhill starting at FFVII (even if FFVII still had a lot of great things).

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Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest (even though it was a spin-off)

Gameboy or SNES?


Wait what? Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest (JP/Final Fantasy America) was this game.

Definitely never had a handheld release.

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RedGalka wrote:
FFIII (US) remains my all time favourite. For me personally it went slowly downhill starting at FFVII (even if FFVII still had a lot of great things).

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Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest (even though it was a spin-off)

Gameboy or SNES?

SNES. Still have my original copy. :D


Ditto, though I wouldn't go as far as adding it to a list of my favorite anythings, it certainly isn't as bad as it's often made out to be though. There were just far better RPGs for the SNES that had many similar mechanics. Lufia and Lufia II come to mind.
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StateAlchemist of Amestris wrote:
My all time Final Fantasy favorites (excluding the MMOs):
Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest (even though it was a spin-off)
Final Fantasy VIII
Final Fantasy XIII

(Notice how VII isn't on there? Didn't say it wasn't good, but it is far from my favorite.)


This is more confirming my belief you are one of those people who feels the need to like unpopular things. I mean, I cannot take you seriously when you list Mystic Quest as your favorite anything.
#18 Sep 27 2011 at 5:13 PM Rating: Excellent
Vawn43 wrote:
StateAlchemist of Amestris wrote:
My all time Final Fantasy favorites (excluding the MMOs):
Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest (even though it was a spin-off)
Final Fantasy VIII
Final Fantasy XIII

(Notice how VII isn't on there? Didn't say it wasn't good, but it is far from my favorite.)


This is more confirming my belief you are one of those people who feels the need to like unpopular things. I mean, I cannot take you seriously when you list Mystic Quest as your favorite anything.


Yes, because when I was 8 maybe 9 years old, and got Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest as a present, I was so concerned about whether or not it was popular, I hunted down every shred of information available to make sure I wasn't accidentally playing a game that conventional society deemed taboo. Come on...doesn't matter if it was the worst game in the world, it was the very first Final Fantasy game I ever played. If it wasn't for Mystic Quest I never would have played VIII (Yeah it was that long in between FF titles for me...), and playing VIII led to me hunting down a copy of every Final Fantasy ever made and playing them all. So of course it's gonna be on my favorites list. :P

And as far as I am concerned I could say the same thing for anyone who says the like all the "popular" titles, need to hop on the bandwagon much?
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StateAlchemist of Amestris wrote:
Vawn43 wrote:
StateAlchemist of Amestris wrote:
My all time Final Fantasy favorites (excluding the MMOs):
Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest (even though it was a spin-off)
Final Fantasy VIII
Final Fantasy XIII

(Notice how VII isn't on there? Didn't say it wasn't good, but it is far from my favorite.)


This is more confirming my belief you are one of those people who feels the need to like unpopular things. I mean, I cannot take you seriously when you list Mystic Quest as your favorite anything.


Yes, because when I was 8 maybe 9 years old, and got Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest as a present, I was so concerned about whether or not it was popular, I hunted down every shred of information available to make sure I wasn't accidentally playing a game that conventional society deemed taboo. Come on...doesn't matter if it was the worst game in the world, it was the very first Final Fantasy game I ever played. If it wasn't for Mystic Quest I never would have played VIII (Yeah it was that long in between FF titles for me...), and playing VIII led to me hunting down a copy of every Final Fantasy ever made and playing them all. So of course it's gonna be on my favorites list. :P

And as far as I am concerned I could say the same thing for anyone who says the like all the "popular" titles, need to hop on the bandwagon much?


You must realize that when you type the statement...

"X is my favorite Y."

on the internet it actually reads as...

"X is the best Y, objectively, period. If you disagree you are incorrect, as my statement is a fact, not an opinion."
#20 Sep 27 2011 at 5:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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StateAlchemist of Amestris wrote:
Vawn43 wrote:
StateAlchemist of Amestris wrote:
My all time Final Fantasy favorites (excluding the MMOs):
Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest (even though it was a spin-off)
Final Fantasy VIII
Final Fantasy XIII

(Notice how VII isn't on there? Didn't say it wasn't good, but it is far from my favorite.)


This is more confirming my belief you are one of those people who feels the need to like unpopular things. I mean, I cannot take you seriously when you list Mystic Quest as your favorite anything.


Yes, because when I was 8 maybe 9 years old, and got Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest as a present, I was so concerned about whether or not it was popular, I hunted down every shred of information available to make sure I wasn't accidentally playing a game that conventional society deemed taboo. Come on...doesn't matter if it was the worst game in the world, it was the very first Final Fantasy game I ever played. If it wasn't for Mystic Quest I never would have played VIII (Yeah it was that long in between FF titles for me...), and playing VIII led to me hunting down a copy of every Final Fantasy ever made and playing them all. So of course it's gonna be on my favorites list. :P

And as far as I am concerned I could say the same thing for anyone who says the like all the "popular" titles, need to hop on the bandwagon much?


You must realize that when you type the statement...

"X is my favorite Y."

on the internet it actually reads as...

"X is the best Y, objectively, period. If you disagree you are incorrect, as my statement is a fact, not an opinion."

I know. Can't I still harbor hope deep in my heart for things to change? :(
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StateAlchemist of Amestris wrote:
RamseySylph wrote:
StateAlchemist of Amestris wrote:
Vawn43 wrote:
StateAlchemist of Amestris wrote:
My all time Final Fantasy favorites (excluding the MMOs):
Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest (even though it was a spin-off)
Final Fantasy VIII
Final Fantasy XIII

(Notice how VII isn't on there? Didn't say it wasn't good, but it is far from my favorite.)


This is more confirming my belief you are one of those people who feels the need to like unpopular things. I mean, I cannot take you seriously when you list Mystic Quest as your favorite anything.


Yes, because when I was 8 maybe 9 years old, and got Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest as a present, I was so concerned about whether or not it was popular, I hunted down every shred of information available to make sure I wasn't accidentally playing a game that conventional society deemed taboo. Come on...doesn't matter if it was the worst game in the world, it was the very first Final Fantasy game I ever played. If it wasn't for Mystic Quest I never would have played VIII (Yeah it was that long in between FF titles for me...), and playing VIII led to me hunting down a copy of every Final Fantasy ever made and playing them all. So of course it's gonna be on my favorites list. :P

And as far as I am concerned I could say the same thing for anyone who says the like all the "popular" titles, need to hop on the bandwagon much?


You must realize that when you type the statement...

"X is my favorite Y."

on the internet it actually reads as...

"X is the best Y, objectively, period. If you disagree you are incorrect, as my statement is a fact, not an opinion."

I know. Can't I still harbor hope deep in my heart for things to change? :(


Hope isn't allowed on the internet either, sorry. Smiley: frown
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I've never played an MMO outside of XI and XIV for more than a few days, I've just never found them to be worth my time. So I'm not the most educated person on the subject..

However, this is why I cannot imagine a bigger failure than XIV continues to be to this day. Not only did it bomb itself, but it's cut noticably into a successful XI.. And in a more indirect way into one of the most important video game franchises ever. They would have been better off taking twice the money they've spent on XIV, and throwing it in the ocean instead of making this game...
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I'm always baffled that people like 8. I didn't like 9 either but not nearly to the extent as 8. 12 is probably my favorite, but 4, 6, and 7 are very good too. And of course, I really enjoyed 13, too.

It's far too easy to say that the early games were great and the new ones suck. I've enjoyed a mix of both old and new, and hated a mix of old and new.
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I'm always baffled that people like 8. I didn't like 9 either but not nearly to the extent as 8. 12 is probably my favorite, but 4, 6, and 7 are very good too. And of course, I really enjoyed 13, too.

It's far too easy to say that the early games were great and the new ones suck. I've enjoyed a mix of both old and new, and hated a mix of old and new.



Your post perfectly illustrates what my point was earlier about FFXIII, you won't find very many series other than Final Fantasy where fans are so widely divided over what title is the best in the series. While some may have had issues with Final Fantasy XIII, I remember just as many people having issues with XII, X, IX, VIII etc. The wildly varying nature of the series is at the root of that.

Ironically, it was probably an internal struggle between wanting to do something wholly unique with FFXIV and wanting to preserve parts of FFXI that caused the failings of FFXIV (from a design perspective.) Perhaps they would have been better off slavishly reproducing FFXI-2 or taking a leap of faith and breaking ties with FFXI's design more or less entirely.
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I'm tempted to dismiss Yoichi Wada's statement as just more talk from a company that has yet to deliver. I mean, how many times has SE said they're going to turn FFXIV into a great game? Yet here we are a year after FFXIV's release and the game is still nearly unplayable (little fun content, nothing to do, nearly nonexistent community) with basic features still missing (player/party search, where is it??).

However admitting that there's a problem is the first step towards recovery, and this statement addresses the Final Fantasy series as a whole. At least there's no longer any doubt that SE realizes they've been going in the wrong direction with the series. The way I see it the company has one more chance. FFXIV has to become a great game and FFXV needs to be a fantastic single player experience or the Final Fantasy name will truly be dead and SE's big talk will mean nothing.
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Perhaps they would have been better off slavishly reproducing FFXI-2 or taking a leap of faith and breaking ties with FFXI's design more or less entirely.


They should have looked at their world design of FFXII.

FFXII had its issues just as all the others in the series had, but the world of Ivalice looked and felt like an MMO world that they just decided to limit to a single player. FFXII felt more like an MMO than FFXI or FFIV to me just from the design of the world itself.
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RamseySylph wrote:
Perhaps they would have been better off slavishly reproducing FFXI-2 or taking a leap of faith and breaking ties with FFXI's design more or less entirely.


They should have looked at their world design of FFXII.

FFXII had its issues just as all the others in the series had, but the world of Ivalice looked and felt like an MMO world that they just decided to limit to a single player. FFXII felt more like an MMO than FFXI or FFIV to me just from the design of the world itself.

Wasn't FFXII's design based off of FFXI or something like that?
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#29 Sep 27 2011 at 6:42 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm always baffled that people like 8. I didn't like 9 either but not nearly to the extent as 8. 12 is probably my favorite, but 4, 6, and 7 are very good too. And of course, I really enjoyed 13, too.


I agree with everything you said up until "13". That game just rubbed me the wrong way, though it did get better in the second half. I was really hoping 12 would have been the future of the franchise.
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StateAlchemist of Amestris wrote:
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Perhaps they would have been better off slavishly reproducing FFXI-2 or taking a leap of faith and breaking ties with FFXI's design more or less entirely.


They should have looked at their world design of FFXII.

FFXII had its issues just as all the others in the series had, but the world of Ivalice looked and felt like an MMO world that they just decided to limit to a single player. FFXII felt more like an MMO than FFXI or FFIV to me just from the design of the world itself.

Wasn't FFXII's design based off of FFXI or something like that?


FFXII had a similar combat system, except it wasn't slow and finicky, and you could control three characters at once.

I wouldn't have minded an MMO set in Ivalice, but I'm not going to jump into a discussion about world design. That being said, they certainly created a much livelier world, than either Vana'Diel or Eorzea will probably ever be. For the record though, I was talking about general design decisions, primarily the core mechanics of the game (battle, classes, etc.), not about the world itself, or any aesthetic details.


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bsphil wrote:
I'm always baffled that people like 8. I didn't like 9 either but not nearly to the extent as 8. 12 is probably my favorite, but 4, 6, and 7 are very good too. And of course, I really enjoyed 13, too.


I agree with everything you said up until "13". That game just rubbed me the wrong way, though it did get better in the second half. I was really hoping 12 would have been the future of the franchise.



Well you see... there's this guy named Nomura....

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StateAlchemist of Amestris wrote:
Zorvan wrote:
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Perhaps they would have been better off slavishly reproducing FFXI-2 or taking a leap of faith and breaking ties with FFXI's design more or less entirely.


They should have looked at their world design of FFXII.

FFXII had its issues just as all the others in the series had, but the world of Ivalice looked and felt like an MMO world that they just decided to limit to a single player. FFXII felt more like an MMO than FFXI or FFIV to me just from the design of the world itself.

Wasn't FFXII's design based off of FFXI or something like that?


To me, the main features that looked to be influenced by FFXI were the "functional" parts, such as the camera and the main battle system ( minus the gambits ). And some of the mobs appeared to be re-tooled versions of FFXI mobs.

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That being said, they certainly created a much livelier world, than either Vana'Diel or Eorzea will probably ever be.


This. ^ ^

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I simply can't imagine a bunch of SE decision-makers sitting around a table, and the question comes up of "Hey, which game could we update into an HD iteration so we can release it on PS3 as a cash cow?" and the answer wasn't Final Fantasy VII.


It is because the whole point is to cheaply re-release an old title without investing a lot of resources in it.
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I have found that the first FF game one plays tends to stay in each persons top favs, and trying to tell them others are "better" is a silly waist of time... Me, personaly, I hated VII... (apart from the chocobo inbreading) but I know for alot of people it was thier first FF game so I don't begrudge them their right to like it.
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I simply can't imagine a bunch of SE decision-makers sitting around a table, and the question comes up of "Hey, which game could we update into an HD iteration so we can release it on PS3 as a cash cow?" and the answer wasn't Final Fantasy VII.


It is because the whole point is to cheaply re-release an old title without investing a lot of resources in it.


But they have to invest alot of resources for it.

There's a reason newer PS3's cannot play PS2 games: the Emotion Engine which powers the PS2.

So not only will they have to redo all the textures, assets, etc. to make them HD quality, but they have to re-write the games engine to be compatible with the PS3.

But not only are they redoing FFX, but also FFX-2 ( a highly shunned game by most of the hardcore Square-Enix loyalist ), and FFXII ( a good game but still one of the less liked of the series ). All of those "re-makes" ( which there have been no mass fan request to do ) will take as much resources ( if not more ) as a FFVII remake and will undoubtedly bring in less revenue collectively than one remake of FFVII ( which has had MASS REQUEST from fans, including dozens if not hundreds of petitions ) would bring in.




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Zorvan wrote:

But they have to invest alot of resources for it.

There's a reason newer PS3's cannot play PS2 games: the Emotion Engine which powers the PS2.

So not only will they have to redo all the textures, assets, etc. to make them HD quality, but they have to re-write the games engine to be compatible with the PS3.

But not only are they redoing FFX, but also FFX-2 ( a highly shunned game by most of the hardcore Square-Enix loyalist ), and FFXII ( a good game but still one of the less liked of the series ). All of those "re-makes" ( which there have been no mass fan request to do ) will take as much resources ( if not more ) as a FFVII remake and will undoubtedly bring in less revenue collectively than one remake of FFVII ( which has had MASS REQUEST from fans, including dozens if not hundreds of petitions ) would bring in.



Sorry, your first statement is unequivocally not true. The word "alot" is on a sliding scale first of all, and when compared to the amount of resources that would need to be invested to bring a 32-bit RPG that used pre-rendered backgrounds to life in HD on modern systems, the amount of work needed to bring a Playstation 3 era game to life in HD is ludicrously small.

They do NOT have to recreate any assets in reality, they may choose to, but they do not have to in order to make the game HD. In reality, HD versions of many of the game's textures probably already exist, as often times artists will work large and then scale down. And even if they want to up the number of subdivisions in some models, and upscale the textures even if they don't have the original higher res versions, we're talking about a process that is relatively automated.

Bringing FFVII back to life would basically require a full development team, the game would literally need to be rebuilt from scratch, in an entirely different engine. FFX can be ported, they have some minor obstacles to overcome with the game being programmed for different hardware, but those are minor when compared to having to recreate an entire game in an entirely new engine.

You can basically apply the same arguments to FFX-2, in fact, it would be irresponsible of them not to bring X-2 back to life alongside X, because the games run in the same engine, and share many assets, so 50% of their work is already going to be done for them on X-2 once X is ported.




Beyond that, everything you said about X-2 and XII are opinion. Who are these so called hardcore FF players? Weeping FF7 fans who felt like their masculinity was threatened when they tried to play X-2? Because mechanically, X-2 is far and away more hardcore than 7 ever was. And also, FFXII was less liked? Critically it's tied with FFVII with a metacritic of 92, it was widely received very well, and sold well on top of that. I won't argue that there aren't more FFVII fans foaming at the mouth for a remake (Personally, as a 12 fan I'd rather not see a remake, but rather simply a new Ivalice Alliance game) but it doesn't change the fact that you stated a variety of opinions as facts.

While the sales of a FFVII full remake would definitely exceed the sales of the coming FFX HD remakes, the investment required would be thousands of times higher, requiring a full development team as opposed to a handful of people to manage the ports.
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I really don't think the latter games (X, XII, XIII) are as bad as people make them out to be...****, the story is the exact same with a new coat of paint and an engine overhaul. Here's every FF:

A rag tag band of adventurer's who for some reason or another are ostracized from society band together to save a world that deemed them pariahs.

Heck, at least with the MMO's they have somewhat of a different plot, with the exception of the whole Echo ability thing.
I've enjoyed pretty much EVERY Final Fantasy for some reason or another, but the only one that I can't seem to care to beat is FFXIII (I'm on chapter 13 too), primarily because the characters were so bland and completely forgettable.
Basch and Balthier however, were awesome characters.
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I really don't think the latter games (X, XII, XIII) are as bad as people make them out to be...****, the story is the exact same with a new coat of paint and an engine overhaul. Here's every FF:

A rag tag band of adventurer's who for some reason or another are ostracized from society band together to save a world that deemed them pariahs.

Heck, at least with the MMO's they have somewhat of a different plot, with the exception of the whole Echo ability thing.
I've enjoyed pretty much EVERY Final Fantasy for some reason or another, but the only one that I can't seem to care to beat is FFXIII (I'm on chapter 13 too), primarily because the characters were so bland and completely forgettable.
Basch and Balthier however, were awesome characters.


Well that's certainly the story for Final Fantasy XIII, the whole "pariah" part really doesn't apply strongly to... well... any other title in the series. There are certainly characters here and there that are ostracized to a degree, or that are on the run, but there's no other FF where the entire cast of characters fall into that category.
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A rag tag band of adventurer's who for some reason or another are ostracized from society band together to save a world that deemed them pariahs.


FF I, you're four unnamed Heroes right from the very start.
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Khornette wrote:
MerylStryfe wrote:
A rag tag band of adventurer's who for some reason or another are ostracized from society band together to save a world that deemed them pariahs.


FF I, you're four unnamed Heroes right from the very start.


Why in your mind does "silent protagonist" equate to "pariah"...? If anything the light warriors are the exact opposite of being pariahs, they're looked upon as heroes and saviors by the people.
#40 Sep 27 2011 at 10:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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I wonder why everybody wants a remake of FFVII so badly. Granted, it's one of my favourite games and is considered by many (myself included) to be one of the best video games of all time for all sorts of reasons, but how many of you really want to play through the same game you've already played through at least one time, yet again? FFVII is already available on PSN, which spans PS3, PSP, and PSV, and the original can still run on PC with a bit of tweaking; and of course there is simply PS1 emulation, which is not hard to do at all.

Essentially what I am saying is that so many people are so clamorous for a precious remake of a game they played ten years ago, but it sometimes seems they forget that it's a game that's not that old, a game that's very well-remembered by all who played it, and a game that's still widely available across several current-generation platforms.

Just because SE re-re-releases FFVII doesn't mean the experience will rival that which occurred when FFVII was actually new; you'll still just be playing through the game whose story you probably remember well (you certainly know its high points). The only major differences will be better graphics (which will take away from the beautifully artistic still-shot backgrounds of the original); a "better" translation (which will likely remove many of the wonderful eccentricities that made the game feel so gritty and mysterious in the first place); and voice acting (which will begin to "flesh out" characters in ways that, in all likelihood, grind against the personas they've been able to craft via textual dialogue - remember when Lance Bass voiced Sephiroth?).

Ultimately, I don't think it's a remake of FFVII is what fans truly want; what fans truly want is a return to the SE that made FFVII. But that, unfortunately, isn't as easy as simple as retooling old intellectual property.
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I'm always baffled that people like 8. I didn't like 9 either but not nearly to the extent as 8. 12 is probably my favorite, but 4, 6, and 7 are very good too. And of course, I really enjoyed 13, too.

It's far too easy to say that the early games were great and the new ones suck. I've enjoyed a mix of both old and new, and hated a mix of old and new.


I disliked VIII as well. 9 was eh, 10 was OK. But only because of Auron.

VIII was just too JRPG. My favorites; VII had a varied, interesting world and VI(III) had some of the best characters in the series. I liked the "freedom" of these games but I also liked collecting things like materia and being able to dual wield, or pay to have Shadow join you. Heck the dream sequences and flashbacks of both games really fleshed out the world. Also these games had true mini-games; they immersed you by throwing you into varied experiences. That's why they are my favorites.

And that's why XIII isn't and will never be on my list.

XII, although not in my top 10, was the best written of the series.

Just for continuity, Suikoden I/II, Xenogears, and Chrono Trigger were better than most Final Fantasies.
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RamseySylph wrote:
Khornette wrote:
MerylStryfe wrote:
A rag tag band of adventurer's who for some reason or another are ostracized from society band together to save a world that deemed them pariahs.


FF I, you're four unnamed Heroes right from the very start.


Why in your mind does "silent protagonist" equate to "pariah"...? If anything the light warriors are the exact opposite of being pariahs, they're looked upon as heroes and saviors by the people.


That's what I was trying to say.
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Khornette wrote:
RamseySylph wrote:
Khornette wrote:
MerylStryfe wrote:
A rag tag band of adventurer's who for some reason or another are ostracized from society band together to save a world that deemed them pariahs.


FF I, you're four unnamed Heroes right from the very start.


Why in your mind does "silent protagonist" equate to "pariah"...? If anything the light warriors are the exact opposite of being pariahs, they're looked upon as heroes and saviors by the people.


That's what I was trying to say.


Ooops! Chalk it up to me being lazy and reading quickly, I got my Miqo'te mixed up. Didn't look to see that you weren't who I was responding to originally! >_> Oops.

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If they had let yazmat do his thing with FFXII it would have probably been the best FF title ever created, but no they wanted some kiddie protagonist instead of basch <.<

To me the ****** seemed rushed in the end, they spend all this time in game building up the occuria's as the one's controlling mankind's progress etc etc. To just ended it at vayne's death, the game had so much potential story wise that to me it felt cut short :/

Anyways about rpg's and whatnot, Xenogears >>> Suikoden II >>> Any RPG
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And in regards to everyone's complaints about XIII, you all know the game sold very well right? [/sm][/i]



It may well have sold well....but myself, and everyone else I know that bought it, hated it and didn't finish it.
It sold well because it was new and looked fantastic.....stil a crap game though.
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And in regards to everyone's complaints about XIII, you all know the game sold very well right? [/sm][/i]



It may well have sold well....but myself, and everyone else I know that bought it, hated it and didn't finish it.
It sold well because it was new and looked fantastic.....stil a crap game though.


An 82 metacritic is far from a "crap" game, and metacritic is as close as you can get to "fact" in this industry, it's what investors look at, it's what companies aim for. I enjoyed it, not nearly as much as I enjoyed 12, and I know many people who felt the same way, some even who enjoyed it more than 12 and other previous titles. Your friends are all homogeneous, and your information anecdotal, sorry.
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I really don't know if FFVII fans should keep asking for a complete remake of the original. Think about it. Back when FFVII came out, they were a very different company than they are today. Back in the SNES and early PS1 days, everything Squaresoft put out was gold. If a game had the Squaresoft logo on the cover you knew it was more than worth your money (again with the one exception of Mystic Quest). Do you really want this new SquareEnix to be the ones to re-make FFVII? I can't see them doing it without losing the magic that made the original so great. If FFXIII and FFXIV has taught us anything, it is pretty graphics are NOT what makes a game great.

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FFXIV is no different that the many other crappy FF games that have been put out without damaging the brand itself. If anything, I'll say again like I did with 11, they should not have put them in the numbered series. It is not part of the same series. Granted most people I know ignore it, my buddies didn't throw up their arms in confusion when FF12 came after FF10 on the PS2, they just kinda went with it.
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I really don't know if FFVII fans should keep asking for a complete remake of the original. Think about it. Back when FFVII came out, they were a very different company than they are today. Back in the SNES and early PS1 days, everything Squaresoft put out was gold. If a game had the Squaresoft logo on the cover you knew it was more than worth your money (again with the one exception of Mystic Quest). Do you really want this new SquareEnix to be the ones to re-make FFVII? I can't see them doing it without losing the magic that made the original so great. If FFXIII and FFXIV has taught us anything, it is pretty graphics are NOT what makes a game great.


Makes me think of the many Star Wars fans freaking out now because of the new blu-ray release. I could just imagine the rage if a FF7 remake was butchered.

Some things are better left untouched. Like an athlete goin' out on top. Elway pulled that off nicely. Others like Brett Favre, not so much. Or Michael Jordan's stint with the Wizards.

I don't need my favorite games to make a sub-par comeback.

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Just wanting an opinion, but what do you think would need to happen to 'butcher' a re-make of 7. And I agree, that would be devastating if SE has the capacity to f something like that up. But considering their track record recently. . . .
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Just wanting an opinion, but what do you think would need to happen to 'butcher' a re-make of 7. And I agree, that would be devastating if SE has the capacity to f something like that up. But considering their track record recently. . . .


That'd be better left for the hardcore FF7 fans to explain in detail. My favorites are FF6 & Chrono Trigger. Not that I'm anti-FF7, far from it.

I think a remake of anything that's considered great by many runs the risk of severely disappointing a good portion of those people these days. The original often holds a special place in their memories. A remake has a good chance to disturb some of those memories. I'd say it would need to be quite exceptional. Some will probably find fault in it no matter what though.

I'm more of a "leave the classics be" type. Some of my favorite games, movies, songs, & albums are my favorites because they were perfect "to me". Or as close to perfection as you can get. They don't need to be re-visited.

Outside of gaming, another example for me is Pink Floyd. Some people may think Korn's version of Another Brick in the Wall was good and one of the best covers of it. I think they butchered it. It didn't need any further fine-tuning or added flavor. A cover could never be better than the original in this case, only worse.

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