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#152 Oct 05 2011 at 1:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Never once did I say I supported or didn't support anything. Nor did I say what you said was not true. All I said is you sound like a baby who got touched by the bad squirrels and wont stop crying.


Like I said, try it yourself before you criticize me. I tried it extensively last night on a bunch of different classes, and just started a new character today and am having the same issues. Extended battles that cause me to have to rest between almost EVERY fight for ****** XP. If I just sit around and simply grind all day I'm sure I could still get a decent level, but with the horribly slow pace of battles, the fact I have to rest almost constantly, and the pathetic XP per mob, it is absolutely not enjoyable and feels like I'm just wasting my time.
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#153 Oct 05 2011 at 1:03 PM Rating: Decent
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I did indeed, but do I need to point out this isn't FFXI? I poked around and check the stats on my Goblin Longsword +1. Prevously attack was 121, after patch it's 61. So everyone check your gear. It all got nerfed.



Let's see... R10 leves at rank 8? ........... I can't remember can someone remind me..... is 8 higher than 10?
#154 Oct 05 2011 at 1:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Like I said, try it yourself before you criticize me.


I don't need to try anything to tell that you're a crybaby.

As soon as people started even offering a different opinion on the Lodestone forums you start cursing at them and telling everyone they're wrong or "can't be right because it was terrible for me" - which is the exact reason I -am- going to try it myself and then offer an unbiased opinion - because I don't care if I am right or wrong.

For everyone else's amusement, his Lodestone post:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/25716-The-Problem-for-New-Players

Even everyone there shares the same mindset. Doesn't matter though, because everyone else is wrong...

...bad squirrels.
#155 Oct 05 2011 at 1:18 PM Rating: Decent
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This and this, probably this too. I hope you get the picture.
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#156 Oct 05 2011 at 1:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Some things I noticed soloing last night as a lvl 23 marauder... I don't understand what all the hate is about combat. Your HP and damage decreased but so did enemies. Everything just got scaled down. I still get the same xp on leves with chain bonuses and the completion bonuses.

I can still kill mobs 3 levels higher than me... as I was doing 3 star leves solo. The fights are tougher but doable if you have the right abilities.

Yeah it sucks weapon skills and overall damage got toned down, but the damage is proportionate because mobs have lower HP and strength as well
#157 Oct 05 2011 at 1:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Like I said, try it yourself before you criticize me.


I don't need to try anything to tell that you're a crybaby.

As soon as people started even offering a different opinion on the Lodestone forums you start cursing at them and telling everyone they're wrong or "can't be right because it was terrible for me" - which is the exact reason I -am- going to try it myself and then offer an unbiased opinion - because I don't care if I am right or wrong.

For everyone else's amusement, his Lodestone post:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/25716-The-Problem-for-New-Players

Even everyone there shares the same mindset. Doesn't matter though, because everyone else is wrong...

...bad squirrels.


Lol, it's the official forums. It's full of ******** and trolls mostly. I was pretty sure everyone knew that. People started bashing me for my opinions and observations, so I bashed them right back. One guy claimed to hit level 10 in 2 hours solo, I called BS on that because it took me 2 hours to hit level 6 on the SAME JOB in the SAME CIRCUMSTANCES. You can't really ***** up too much at those levels to see that big of a discrepancy. So either there is some BS going on there, or I am very unlucky with my leveling.

I also love that you call me a crybaby before even trying it yourself. But yeah, I'm the childish one...
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#158 Oct 05 2011 at 1:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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For everyone else's amusement, his Lodestone post:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/25716-The-Problem-for-New-Players


My favourite quotes from Lodestone:

"Which game are you playing? ....Dunno what you're smoking."

"do some research and find out if everyone is having the same problem you seem to be having... The answer in this situation is no, they are not."

"it [is] clear early on that you're arguing from an opinion rather than from observed facts."

"Learning curves are for chumps! I wanna mindlessly level grind while I watch netflix!"

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#159 Oct 05 2011 at 1:35 PM Rating: Decent
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I also love that you call me a crybaby before even trying it yourself.


That one is really over your head isn't it?

Even if I try it and get raped by furry animals I'm not going to cry about it and start telling everyone they're wrong for having a different opinion. It has nothing to do, at all, with trying something or not. It has to do with a person's attitude.

Ironically - I logged out as 9 LNC in gear slightly over my rank - right next to Nutbiter Marmots. I should be able to confirm good squirrel/bad squirrel in about 40 seconds after logging in.

I just hope they're not hungry.
#160 Oct 05 2011 at 1:37 PM Rating: Decent
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"Frikin grow a set."


Honestly I would advise against this for the time being with all the mean Marmots running around. Looool.

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#161 Oct 05 2011 at 1:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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Can someone please just answer my question on page 2 instead of fussing and **** hurting each other? A simple
No or a yes and an explanation would be nice! Kkthnxbai!

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#162 Oct 05 2011 at 1:43 PM Rating: Default
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Has anyone done a comparison yet of exp solo vs duo? My husband and I duo all the time and was just curious.


With chain bonus - I think it's safe to say that Duo XP is going to be pretty good. A post on the official forums about the new Rank 15 Dungeon talked about a friend + another friend going in to Duo everything and they had a ton of fun and good good XP.

If one person can take out an equal level mob - two folks could easily kill a mob 1-3 levels ahead and also earn chain bonuses for not stopping. I suspect this will be even more effecient in the "later" levels.

If you can wait, or have not found out yourself - a friend and I will be doing a ton of Duo stuff Saturday and Sunday to see how EXP is. We will also be doing a lot of Behest and all our Leves also - but will look for camps inbetween.

I will probably be on my GLD 15ish and he is PUG 17 or 18 now - so when he dings 20 I may go Conjurer - we'll test lots of stuff. :D
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Ironically - I logged out as 9 LNC in gear slightly over my rank - right next to Nutbiter Marmots. I should be able to confirm good squirrel/bad squirrel in about 40 seconds after logging in.


They are rank 10 and you are fighting them at rank 9. The marmot that owned me was rank 13, and it was right after the patch before anyone even realized that mobs over your level are now not a good idea until MUCH higher ranks. Really, I don't mind that. What I mind is that the xp rewards for fighting on level mobs and lower mobs do not add up to the time it takes to kill them and rest between battles. It is a massive nerf to soloing at lower levels, and it's completely unnecessary.

But hey, trollers gonna troll.
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#164 Oct 05 2011 at 1:47 PM Rating: Good
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Has anyone done a comparison yet of exp solo vs duo? My husband and I duo all the time and was just curious.


With chain bonus - I think it's safe to say that Duo XP is going to be pretty good. A post on the official forums about the new Rank 15 Dungeon talked about a friend + another friend going in to Duo everything and they had a ton of fun and good good XP.

If one person can take out an equal level mob - two folks could easily kill a mob 1-3 levels ahead and also earn chain bonuses for not stopping. I suspect this will be even more effecient in the "later" levels.

If you can wait, or have not found out yourself - a friend and I will be doing a ton of Duo stuff Saturday and Sunday to see how EXP is. We will also be doing a lot of Behest and all our Leves also - but will look for camps inbetween.

I will probably be on my GLD 15ish and he is PUG 17 or 18 now - so when he dings 20 I may go Conjurer - we'll test lots of stuff. :D

Kk thanks :). All I wanted to know. I will keep an eye out over the weekend to see your results. Will you be posting them here or the lodestone. I'm very curious.
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#165 Oct 05 2011 at 1:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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If the case truly is that low levels are getting anally raped by enemies, and leveling is a total chore... I expect it was an oversight in their balancing algorithms, and that it will be changed.

If you remember, they made it significantly easier to level 1-20 back in the day, they are very aware that the early levels should be easier, and faster, and that the game needs a learning curve that makes sense in order to appeal to players.

Continue to cite this on the official forums and I expect it will be adjusted in 1.9a or at the latest 1.2. I don't think they intentionally made those levels significantly harder, they make strange decisions on occasion, but they're not that thick.
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Kk thanks :). All I wanted to know. I will keep an eye out over the weekend to see your results. Will you be posting them here or the lodestone. I'm very curious.


Always here. Been on Allakhazam for a long time. Change=scary. Oooooohohohoho.

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#167 Oct 05 2011 at 2:00 PM Rating: Good
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Here's a picture of me fighting a level 3 mob at level 3. I started the battle at full health. I ended the battle at 24 HP. I then was forced to rest 45s to get back to full health. The battle itself took almost 45s. Is this really what you want for new players?

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/27/ffxiva.jpg/
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#168 Oct 05 2011 at 2:06 PM Rating: Good
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Level 3... really? Can't quest your way closer to 10 when you have more skills available? (Yes I know you took the time to make a test char) I'm not trying to be a prick, but there are options. I messed with my R20ish melee and had 0 issues. XP is pretty good on mobs 2-3 levels BELOW you and not too hard on the ones slightly above you. I did NOT try any leves with any of my classes yet as I'm too busy trying to get my choco.
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#169 Oct 05 2011 at 2:18 PM Rating: Good
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Here's some behest images:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/824/ffxivb.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/818/ffxivc.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/27/ffxivd.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/840/ffxivf.jpg/

400sp, and it took me 15 minutes and a death to the final bosses. I realize I'm a level under recommended and solo. I'm just trying to show how crappy the XP is.

Next up I will be doing some 1 star leves.
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#170 Oct 05 2011 at 2:25 PM Rating: Decent
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I think the problem lies with you. If you're just starting, you have the main quest, leves, and low lvl quests to get xp on. Plenty of easy activities to rank up fairly quickly on. Finished 4 leves from 1 city? Travel to another to finish another 4.

I did 4 leves yesterday, solo at lvl 23 and got 10,000 xp in 30 minutes. Pretty much half a lvl. Just because you personally are having problems, doesn't mean everyone is.
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Here's some behest images:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/824/ffxivb.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/818/ffxivc.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/27/ffxivd.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/840/ffxivf.jpg/

400sp, and it took me 15 minutes and a death to the final bosses. I realize I'm a level under recommended and solo. I'm just trying to show how crappy the XP is.

Next up I will be doing some 1 star leves.



You should try World Of Warcraft. That's an awesome game for people who want a no skill involved easy mode level fest.
#172 Oct 05 2011 at 2:34 PM Rating: Decent
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1 star leve. On the plus side it only took me 10 minutes! On the minus side, WITH guardian's aspect I got a total of 654 XP. That's a pace of under 4k XP per hour.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/197/new1eb.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/825/new2me.jpg/

So far, I've gotten a whopping 1k experience in 30 minutes between behest and leves. ****, I would have been far better off just grinding on mobs for a half hour...
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#173 Oct 05 2011 at 2:37 PM Rating: Default
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Giglameshx wrote:
I think the problem lies with you. If you're just starting, you have the main quest, leves, and low lvl quests to get xp on. Plenty of easy activities to rank up fairly quickly on. Finished 4 leves from 1 city? Travel to another to finish another 4.

I did 4 leves yesterday, solo at lvl 23 and got 10,000 xp in 30 minutes. Pretty much half a lvl. Just because you personally are having problems, doesn't mean everyone is.


Please see the above post on leves. Also, the main storyline quest nets you a whopping 500 exp for the first one, and it takes 20 minutes of running and cutscenes. The next one takes even longer... and rewards 300 exp now. I know because I did them last night on my pug. Granted I haven't done the low level quests, but I also haven't seen any. I didn't wander around much in Uldah, but where I was there was a total of 1 exclamation mark. For a new player, they probably aren't going to be searching for quests. I know I wouldn't be. I want to get some levels in and see what combats like.
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#174 Oct 05 2011 at 2:38 PM Rating: Default
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BartelX wrote:
Here's some behest images:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/824/ffxivb.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/818/ffxivc.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/27/ffxivd.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/840/ffxivf.jpg/

400sp, and it took me 15 minutes and a death to the final bosses. I realize I'm a level under recommended and solo. I'm just trying to show how crappy the XP is.

Next up I will be doing some 1 star leves.



You should try World Of Warcraft. That's an awesome game for people who want a no skill involved easy mode level fest.


You should try shutting your mouth. That's an awesome game for people who are worthless and have nothing useful to contribute.
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Has anyone been able to find the "low levels items to increase XP gain at low levels" that they mentioned?
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BartelX wrote:
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So you're upset that you have to fight things at your level now? Yeah it's more difficult now, but unlike some I like a challenge.


It has nothing to do with challenge. It has to do with time vs. reward. They pretty much just quadrupled the time it takes to level at low levels. Battles take far longer, but do not reward you more. More grind is not challenge. As I said in my first post, I'm all for a challenge. But make the rewards worth it, and they absolutely didn't do that. Not to mention, they just turned combat which used to be fun and somewhat fast paced at low levels and turned it into... me just trying to spam as many keys as I can in hopes that I'll be able to kill the mob before he 1-shots me with a WS. That's not challenge, that's annoying.



what are you talking about? me and friend just started in after doing 4 leves and main quest we are both already like 8? took like no time at all? i dont see why your whining. Sorry you can't max out your class in a week like you use to do theres no point in playing a game you can hit cap in in short time... FFXI before Abyss and recent EXP tweaks ( vanilla that is ) took forever to level and hitting max at that time was pretty big accomplishment. You sound like a 14 year old who plays private servers all the time cuz you want instant gratification from your games instead of having to work for things. You say it takes too much time but if your posting on these forums so much and have time to whine about it you must have lots of free time so i dont see what the problem is. Sure one of us died during the rank 2 leves together but that's also because I was level like 2 he was 8 and the mobs were higher then me and I aggrod 3 at once. Derp of course I'd die. I haven't had a problem leveling so far so idk why your trying to say low levels cant level now.
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BartelX wrote:
Here's some behest images:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/824/ffxivb.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/818/ffxivc.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/27/ffxivd.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/840/ffxivf.jpg/

400sp, and it took me 15 minutes and a death to the final bosses. I realize I'm a level under recommended and solo. I'm just trying to show how crappy the XP is.

Next up I will be doing some 1 star leves.


wow since you made the effort to create a new test character just to demonstrate how difficult leveling has become, the least I can do is offer you my deepest condolences. What a shame that SE has ruined this game for you. Best regards in the future.

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2 star leve:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/810/new3wx.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/819/new4r.jpg/

Btw, both of these leves are with guardian aspect. Imagine doing them without it when you're trying to level your 3rd, 4th, and 5th classes.

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wow since you made the effort to create a new test character just to demonstrate how difficult leveling has become, the least I can do is offer you my deepest condolences. What a shame that SE has ruined this game for you. Best regards in the future.


Only doing it in hopes that it is just an oversight by SE and something they will correct. I play MMO's for fun, not for an awful grind. I'm still hopeful that things will change, but until they do, I think I'll just take a break from the game because clearly it's not for me in it's current state.

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I'm going to go with unintentional oversight. You can't go through the effort of creating tutorials for the new player and then have them get killed by a level 3-6 squirrel.
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#180 Oct 05 2011 at 3:34 PM Rating: Good
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OK BarteIX, We saw all your images, we read all your post,etc... so, what is your point? Are you trying to get everyone to love you and say "Omg...! we got nerf, he is right, he opened my eyes.. we should all get our torches and go march outside SE headquarters until I get our xp per hour back!" or what?

I mean, c'mon.. its level 1-10 you are complaining about... go get a party, go do leves, go do quests, you have more options than just go and try to kill a marmot that obviously is better than your skills... that's the whole thing about this, so you have options, if you want to solo fine, go solo and learn how not to die... but ther are options... there are options.
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#181 Oct 05 2011 at 3:42 PM Rating: Default
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Are you guys seriously still fussing about this?

K. Some people like the new patch, some don't. Do we get it? Great!

Moving on.

So when is Aurzy coming out with a new battle guide ^_^ ? Lol.
Seriously though... Is this thread necessary o.o I mean really. I'm starting to think my unborn kid has more sense right now. Lol

Kudos on making this a very fun read though :)
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I got to R7 starting a new character and just doing the starter mission and quest in Gridania. The mobs in those die in 1 hit and give huge chunks of exp. Not too concerned about new players after experiencing this.

(This includes starting as a DoW/DoM, doing Mother's quest & leve, selling the item for 2000g, then dancing and escorting the children to the moogle and completing the quest.)

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As much as I like the added difficulty, BartleX is _right_. When you're level 1-3 and have nothing but 1 attack on your bar, every fight taking 45 seconds and being a life or death encounter is certainly not a good idea. It's not like you have any buttons or items or consumables to help you when you're just starting out.

I do get that a veteran player who gets PLed or have other classes' abilities might have a easier time, fine.

But it's level 1-3 we're talking about-- they shouldn't be hard, even naked.

That being said, once they fix the low levels to be fun again, I wonder how the rest of the game is -- me and a friend, both 40, duoed a level 49 ahriman. It took us everything we had -- my 10 minute cooldown, a bunch of stoneskins, nukes, multishots, barrages, you name it.

I died from a 2270 damage shadowsear to the face, he survived and won, got 743 xp for it. I got nothing (Yay, being dead doesn't give you xp anymore, thank god). I'm glad that a +9 level monster is now challenging to duo, but I haven't really tried soloing or duoing level 40 monsters yet.
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OK BarteIX, We saw all your images, we read all your post,etc... so, what is your point? Are you trying to get everyone to love you and say "Omg...! we got nerf, he is right, he opened my eyes.. we should all get our torches and go march outside SE headquarters until I get our xp per hour back!" or what?


Sure, if you're willing to. ^^

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I mean, c'mon.. its level 1-10 you are complaining about... go get a party, go do leves, go do quests, you have more options than just go and try to kill a marmot that obviously is better than your skills... that's the whole thing about this, so you have options, if you want to solo fine, go solo and learn how not to die... but ther are options... there are options.


Clearly he wasn't since I beat him. >.> Clearly you missed the rest of my screens where I also did leves and behest. Clearly you want to see what you want to see. There's nothing I can say to change your mind, and really, I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. I'm trying to point out that there was a LARGE nerf to low levels, and that newer players really got hit hard by this patch. It's up to SE to decide if that's what they want or not.
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I got to R7 starting a new character and just doing the starter mission and quest in Gridania. The mobs in those die in 1 hit and give huge chunks of exp. Not too concerned about new players after experiencing this.

(This includes starting as a DoW/DoM, doing Mother's quest & leve, selling the item for 2000g, then dancing and escorting the children to the moogle and completing the quest.)


First off, that quest only works for ONE job. Second, I did the quest in Uldah earlier and after doing the EXACT same thing you did, I made it to level 3. It also required more than a half hour of walking around, CS, and doing that stupid dance mini-game.

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Long story short, no more level 12 leveling off level 20 mobs. Currently Equal match is 20 vs 20 not the 20 vs 29 from before. I for one have no objections here, as well considering possibility of high level PL option you can hammer out 8k exp in 5min. With my brother 50 THM got my pug pug 18-32 in a blink.


Just shows how TROLLISH noob you are... You talk about how you have no problem with new system yet you talk about powerlvling your character.... I have played this game since the start and i think i can speak for most in being we didnt have to powerlvl ourselves. If you have no problem with system, do it the way most do it.

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#186 Oct 05 2011 at 5:09 PM Rating: Default
Soloing isnt all that bad... I got Exp Chain #4 while soloing a level 25 behest at Camp Bloodshore as a lv 24 THM..
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Everything about Magic Class just got twist around, that's all. Stoneskin > Sacrifice > Cure, always always use Stoneskin when you are grinding it beats Sacrifice and Cure by miles because grinding mobs hit too weak against mighty Stoneskin now, WS and Dart etc. are junk (except Levinbolt II, CON is now DPS), use Dart to pump up TP for things like Second Wind instead, use Feather Foot for evade/some MP regen, basically throw almost all THM actions out of the windows except Emulate and Spells. Siphon MP + Stoneskin combo will make sure you will much less likely run out of MP soloing, like, ever, if you pick on mobs same or below your level. It's fun watching those pathetic mobs struggle against your mighty Stoneskin because Stoneskin suddenly got like quadruple effect compared to pre-patch, with Shock Spikes thrown in mobs will be absolutely wrecked whenever they hit you for measly damage. Weapons for mages are mostly junk until Materia maybe, 95% of your potency and accuracy comes from level. Even Darkhold gears can't hold a candle to simply leveling up.
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#188 Oct 05 2011 at 5:28 PM Rating: Good
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Soloing isnt all that bad... I got Exp Chain #4 while soloing a level 25 behest at Camp Bloodshore as a lv 24 THM..


Really wish people would take the time to read the thread and realize what I am actually talking about before posting... -.-
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#189 Oct 05 2011 at 5:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Naw BartelX, you just need to adjust to the new environment, even if it's wrong, to survive. I can already see what's needed to exploit... er I meant adjust, and because I have the means to, woo hoo here I come.
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#190 Oct 05 2011 at 5:34 PM Rating: Good
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You're probably right... I just wish it didn't HAVE to come down to exploits and powerleveling to make the first 20 levels enjoyable for me... =/
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#191 Oct 05 2011 at 7:27 PM Rating: Good
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I retract that combat is "difficult". I just oneshot same level Imp from leve with Banish II, and taking on 4-6 mobs my level without healing. This is easy mode, oh snap they gonna nerf mage again D:

The most imba part is that I did 8 leves in Tranquil without going into Active Mode, and regen MP like mad.

Edited, Oct 5th 2011 9:33pm by Khornette
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#192 Oct 05 2011 at 7:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Started poking around.

Logged in on 9 LNC - almost died to a Marmot. Realized all my gear was bad and not my level - went naked and killed a few more with less trouble.

Went and bought all Rank 1 gear and the Rank 5 LNC weapon (was using weathered) went back out and absolutely destroyed everything until I tried to solo the end of Behest with 2 Sand Yarzon. That was the second Behest I did - the other I did with a lower ranked Conjurer who helped DPS and made things easy.

Dinged 10 and got Speedsurge - made things very easy. Went back to Nutbiters - killed them breezily without downtime.

Decided to test Leves. I had picked up the Weathered Bow and Warped Arrows while getting Rank 1 gear (awesome vendors btw) and I had grabbed 4 leves. I had done 2 on LNC at 3 Star to test without issue - this time I did no star Rank 1 with a Rank 1 0 XP ARC in level 1 gear with level 1 equip. I have no cross-skills set.

So here's my check in: Just finished 2 leves and got to rank 3 ARC. I am 49% towards Rank 4 - both leves took about 15 minutes total because I had to run once (forgot to equip arrows, couldn't attack) and regen to full. It's 9:44 PM - I'll check in in 15 minutes. So far: Destroying everying in my path as ARC with no trouble.

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Killing rank 1 Coblyns for 120xp a pop at Rank3. I'm at 60 HP from trying to kill a level 5 Chigoe (not advised) and no danger of getting killed by one of these things.

Edited, Oct 5th 2011 9:48pm by EmotionBlues

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Leveled up - getting 105 XP per Coblyn now.

Edited, Oct 5th 2011 9:53pm by EmotionBlues

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Marmots give 105 at level 1 also - level 3 Marmot 135xp.

Edited, Oct 5th 2011 9:55pm by EmotionBlues

edit4: Ding level 5. Equipping new bow. Took about 8-9 minutes from 4-5.

Edited, Oct 5th 2011 9:58pm by EmotionBlues

edit5: I'm over my self given time limit - but I'm trying level 4-5 Chigoe right now. Almost level 6 - 135 XP for level 4 Chigoe (I am 5).

Edited, Oct 5th 2011 10:07pm by EmotionBlues

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Oops, dinged after 1 level 5 Chigoe - 150xp for same rank kill. 24 minutes from 3>6 with no downtime, and that's even taking time to edit forum posts.

Edited, Oct 5th 2011 10:09pm by EmotionBlues
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When I said 4-6, I meant at the same time. Now that I updated my clothes >_> Stoneskin II gonna ownz even more after I Absorb ATK + DEF. This has become a very different game with Healing = Trash.
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#194 Oct 06 2011 at 1:54 AM Rating: Good
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just thought id report in. (please stop the ******** i had to skip most of this thread for useful info)

I did some leves last night duo @ 26. We were LNC and CON. our gear was slightly gimped as i was wearing level 27 so lost some DEF

R30 leves @ Nanawa mines and cedarwood.
1 Star so mob level was 30

Took 15-25mins per leve altough we had to remove aggro mobs too.

i think we managed around 200-400 XP per fight and consitently got Chain 3. We had 2 deaths mainly from mistakes like extra aggro.

I think we managed around 25K XP (which got me lvl 27) over 2hrs so 12.5K/hr and we were not rushing or looking for max XP. we just took our time buffed before fights and that included running around to get to the key mobs.

now personally i enjoyed the slower combat it made fights meaningful and status effects like stun, slow, poison as well as buffs had more meaning. Pre-patch the mob was dead within 10 secs which made casting buffs using abilities other than WS pointless. We would just run around like zombies quickly killing and completing leves in 5-10 mins.

I actually really enjoyed playing yesterday i felt engaged, i had to make sure i used my abilities, we had to pull mobs so we didint aggro (more than 3 level 30 mobs was hard and would nearly wipe us).

thats all ive tested so far but im certainly coming back for more and i havent felt the need to do that ever in this game.
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#196 Oct 06 2011 at 3:03 AM Rating: Good
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Just going to chime in here...

Last night I went from 14 to half way through 15 in less than an hour. Combat was fun and engaging, leve's were moderate in difficulty but I had little downtime between mob clusters. Lots of XP Chains, I love the visible chain timer they added...that's just fantastic!

Upgraded my gear before I started, grabbed some items from the Class Guild NPC and replaced all my "Dated" gear. Cost about 100k gil, no big deal. This patch has turned FFXIV from a game I didn't want to play, to a game that really feels like what I hoped it would be at release.

That is all ^.^;
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#197 Oct 06 2011 at 3:35 AM Rating: Decent
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BartelX wrote:
You're probably right... I just wish it didn't HAVE to come down to exploits and powerleveling to make the first 20 levels enjoyable for me... =/


As someone mentioned earlier, they are setting up the first 10 levels to be quested through.

From the sound of it, you approached the first 10 levels in a way they did not fully anticipate.
Keep in mind there has been a huge outcry for quests and information for people starting the game. The first 10 levels are quests and tutorial leves. Once you get through those, you should be R10. Now the next question would be, what is an acceptable speed to get to R10.
Would you be looking for a level every minute, every hour, some range in between?

These are things they are going to have to address. They are still trying to determine what works best for the playing community, and they did say there was going to be breakage and there was going to be problems. For the full scope of what they changed (and they changed a lot we don't see directly), this should be expected on some level.

Please understand, their goal was not to break starting players. It was to make it easier to understand. But, you are running into a conflict of making the start understandable was not your goal, so, you wanted to just skip over the items they added because people had been stating that there wasn't enough information to get new players up and going.

Now, from their perspective, a new player who wants to quickly level as fast as possible is doing this for a few assorted reasons.
1, they are new and just want to see the end game (Not my cup of tea, but more power to them)
Typically this type of player will seek out like minded people and work to grow their character as fast as possible. While this is the most likely character to powerlevel, you have pointed out that they may choose not to, or not have the option available to them. The current design of the game will not work
2, they are new and want to see what the game has to offer. The current design is with the intent that they will spend their first day running through quests. As pointed out, you can get pretty close to R10 (fortunately, I don't have the time, energy, or iota of caring to even try this) on the first day. Now mind you, there are many places to go, and they don't all include running outside and killing something. However, there again, will be the player that just wants to get out of town and kill something. This patch will be problematic for them.
3, the existing player that is just creating a new character. While most of us have no idea what it's like to level a new character again, there is a large group of us that would complete the fastest quests for starting exp, there are others who would flag down a friend to PL them. And other still that would use their existing character to PL them. Then there would be the ones who would have their friends pt w/ them from the start. Either way, 99.9999999% of the people would not go out solo and just try and level (ok a few might try, get spanked then ask for help).

I guess what I am trying to say here is that you have found what SE was asking for. An over-sight, something that is outside the norm or expectation of design. These are the types of things that QA is most likely to miss, or Project managers are likely to mis-judge the priority of. The common statement would be "We have all these options, why would people do this?" It is a logical question, and a sensible question, and when calculating risk an important question. The greatest fear from a PM standpoint is the single most simple and likely response to that... "Because I can."
#198 Oct 06 2011 at 4:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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I got to R7 starting a new character and just doing the starter mission and quest in Gridania. The mobs in those die in 1 hit and give huge chunks of exp. Not too concerned about new players after experiencing this.

(This includes starting as a DoW/DoM, doing Mother's quest & leve, selling the item for 2000g, then dancing and escorting the children to the moogle and completing the quest.)

Edited, Oct 5th 2011 3:05pm by Nathanael


This sounds like it was done before the patch. That's how it used to be. Between the starter leve they give you and the escort part you could get a bunch of ranks. It's not like that anymore.
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#199 Oct 06 2011 at 5:34 AM Rating: Decent
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I love how everyone complaining in this thread gave the patch a whole hour before flaming it. "My Dated gear and weapon with no enhancement made my fight longer." No sh@t. They already said stats will rely mor eon gear then ever before. I doubt any of you complaining have current colbolt gear, for example, let alone enhanced colbolt gear. Just because you didn't log on a slay 10 leve mobs with on swing doesnt mean its broke.



If I had 7 jobs at 50 I wouldn't complain either. Guess what, you're not the average player. Just cause you're a no-lifer/botter with nothing better to do than grind your life away doesn't mean most people enjoy that kind of gameplay.


The number of jobs has nothing to do with it internet tough guy. Pointing out the fact that after every patch people only complain that the way they used to do something pre-patch no longer works and that these are the same people that voted for change in the poll. Not trying to prove people right or wrong, I could care less how you grind/level. So no need to insert A to Z what you can do to level to prove you wrong. If it melted your hot wheels I apologize.

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#201 Oct 06 2011 at 6:22 AM Rating: Decent
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The number of jobs has nothing to do with it internet tough guy. Pointing out the fact that after every patch people only complain that the way they used to do something pre-patch no longer works and that these are the same people that voted for change in the poll.


I didn't vote for drastic change in the poll. I was one of the few people who was incredibly nervous when he saw the "drastic change" vote, mainly because I actually didn't mind combat around January. Granted, there were a billion other concerns I had with the game (mainly content related), but the combat system was very far down my list.

Personally, I'm glad they added the auto-attack feature, and I'm glad they are adding in classes in the future. However, I am not glad that they nerfed low level combat so much. To me combat in this game plays very similarly to FFXI now and that's not what I was looking for in a game. I liked the fast pace of combat, it was refreshing. Slowing it down is just boring to me. It's not like them slowing down the combat has made it more difficult, it just takes more time fighting lower level mobs that drain your HP faster and the fights are BORING.

That's fine though, I'm just going to re-retire until the next patch and see if things have improved in a way that makes me enjoy the game. If not, Star Wars is out in December so I'm not too worried.
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