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#1 Oct 06 2011 at 9:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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http://kotaku.com/5847281/square-enix-tear-down-this-final-fantasy-xiv-and-give-us-final-fantasy-xv

I don't think they should scrap XIV yet, but I would love to see an offline game with the same art direction as XIV. The game, whatever it's faults, is beautiful, and I'm in the same "tired with futuristic settings" boat.

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#2 Oct 06 2011 at 10:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Wint wrote:
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They really can't scrap the game though. I don't think they want to see their #1 IP with that bad of a blemish in the record books. Yes, it's already been a year and it's still in very bad shape, but cancellation as irreversible (more or less) and they probably still think they can turn it around.

Oh, and ***** FFXV, where's Versus 13 already?
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I didn't say they should, what I found interesting was the idea of using the artistic style of XIV to make an offline game more so than their opinion on what to do with XIV.
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Wint wrote:
I didn't say they should
I know. :P I'm agreeing.
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#5 Oct 06 2011 at 10:15 AM Rating: Good
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Honestly, rather than scrapping FFXIV they should really just bring the art staff from this game on to make FFXV. I agree that all the futuristic-yet-medieval crap is getting old. I would love to play a normal RPG similar artistically to FFXIV, just not FFXIV itself as that game.

However, I wouldn't mind including some of the steam punk stuff like magitech that SE is so found of. I know that puts a lot of holes into medieval style game, but I really enjoy that aspect of FF games past.
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#6 Oct 06 2011 at 10:18 AM Rating: Decent
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I agree that all the futuristic-yet-medieval crap is getting old. I would love to play a normal RPG similar artistically to FFXIV, just not FFXIV itself as that game.
Come on, Versus 13...
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I thought FFXIII looked like a refreshing return to the dystopian futuristic setting of VI and VII (I haven't played it yet), after the fairly traditional fantasy settings of XII, X, and IX (with plenty of anachronisms, sure, which even FFXIV has), so I'm not hankerin' for a return to fantasy, but I would like a better game set in the FFXIV universe cuz I like the art direction and overall feel.

I'd be shocked if SE can turn FFXIV into anything but a blemish. Currently, it's a minor one; the game is PC only, and with pretty hefty hardware requirements. While everyone's heard of it and its bad reputation, not a lot of people have personally been disappointed by it. That's a good thing. If this thing gets console release, the QQing will be off the charts unless the game is great. My guess is that for most gamers who don't MMO, FFXIV right now is just seen as a crappier FFXI, which they, like me, didn't play either, so it really doesn't factor into their decision to buy the next FF console game.

However, if the next FF game is in any way related to FFXIV, that could bother people. I know I was originally put off by reviews of FFXII which said it was very mmo-like and FFXI-inspired (and not in a good way). I ended up loving it, but I did not buy it right away (although I haven't bought an FF game at release since VIII and IX--just not that big a console fan).

edit: roman numeral typo.

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I agree FFXIV is very beautiful - the designs of cities and characters are very well done. Monsters look good, armor is sharp looking - and the new stuff rolling out looks very good as well. I like the style of art in FFXIV.

However I will say something about the last FF title to roll into mainstream: FFXIII. Although futuristic - the art was in fact very beautiful as well. The first time I walked into Grand Pulse it was really breathtaking - there was nothing 'futuristic' about it - strikingly beautiful there.

The last “old-school” style FF that was a MMO was… FFIX? FFXII had some elements but was ultimately pretty high tech as well wasn’t it? Although Thanlan reminds me of the starting area from FFXII a lot... FFXII was close – I don’t remember too much futuristic stuff from that but I may be mistaken. FFXIII Versus is next – which is very modernized from the looks of it… I think we’re due for something using a style of art and feel similar to FFXIV.


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Oh yeah, the steampunk-esque Magitek stuff was pretty amazing. Like Narshe and the steam-powered town and the mines? Such good atmosphere.

Edited, Oct 6th 2011 12:24pm by EmotionBlues
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I don't think XIV should be scrapped at all. Yes, we get it, the release sucked. But I'm seeing where they're taking things and I'm liking it.

As for another single player FF in a medieval universe, I'd like to see that. I didn't care for the FF games the X and XIII team work on. It's just far too linear.
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I'm pretty partial to the dark grimy heavy industry of 6 and 7 too. And I liked how 6(III) merged the medieval with magitek. I can kinda see that happening in FFXIV.

I'd love to have an offline FF with the ability to see my armor change; not just my weapon. Especially with XIV's detail.

I'd like for cutscenes not to rule and go back to a uninterrupted/seamless transition between movie and game. VII nailed this.

I'm just tired of all the pastel and wacky hair-dos.

Plus the writing in XVI is great. It's coherent and serious and didn't get mangled through a JRPG translator (a problem I had with XIII). The next FF should take a page from this, hire the voice actors from XII and make a good game already.
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The Kotaku review and opinion, are a pile of **** based on no facts, no game exp, person that wrote that probably never got above rank 5, if they even played at all. SE will not scrap XIV, and that has been stated quite clearly.
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I feel like the article at times, like this game is just lingering about on artificial life support. Complete shut down is extreme, but I can't say I wouldn't mind if they just hit a big reset switch and reintroduce the game with the classic classes and whatever other new mechanics they've got coming.
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People, DON'T go to Kotaku. They're like Fox News: writing sensationalistic articles to get traffic to get money from advertisements without thinking for a second about proper journalism.

I'm providing far more interesting links; links that show them to be sensationalistic pirates that they are:
http://twitter.com/#!/Totalbiscuit/status/88947585255084032
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL1_vas0BZg (from 04:51)

I'm sure he's not the only one that has such opinions of Kotaku.

I'm not 'white-knighting' FFXIV, but given the integrity and credibility of the source material, I'd just ignore Kotaku altogether.

EDIT: A semi-angry post about a stupid source for my 100th post. A good sign for things to com, I'm sure /sarcasm

Edited, Oct 6th 2011 8:53pm by Enfid
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You do realize that I wasn't promoting their negative view of XIV, but instead looking at an interesting point of view for the next offline FF they make right? Can we discuss that and not how much Kotaku needs to lick whoever's *******?
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Totally understand that and I think it's a legitimate subject to discuss about. I also have nothing against you personally for getting the idea from that site, but I happened to hate sensationalistic newsource with a passion, and any reference to give their sites more traffic is not something I approve. But then it's all my opinion.

In any case I apologize for letting my rage derail the subject. Let's get back onto it.
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No apology needed, I just didn't realize how many people hated Kotaku. Had I known, I would have just passed the idea as my own Smiley: grin
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I don't think XIV should be scrapped at all. Yes, we get it, the release sucked. But I'm seeing where they're taking things and I'm liking it.

As for another single player FF in a medieval universe, I'd like to see that. I didn't care for the FF games the X and XIII team work on. It's just far too linear.


i agree with you that the game is going in a good direction, but in business a product such as this can't be sustained with a small group of people. the game needs to be able to at least break even in cost. If it doesn't it doesnt matter how many people are dedicated to playing. this is a business after all.

business wise, i don't think anyone can dissagree that they should have scrapped the game. it was a failure at launch and still holds that tarnished image. What square should have done is taken the game offline for 2-3 more years and try to re-release it again, which is what most businesses do. keeping it up while improving it is hurting the game more than it is helping.

now im not saying that i would like to see ffxiv go away, because im enjoying what im playing right now, but i would not hold it against them if they did because it would have been the best business decision.
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I don't think XIV should be scrapped at all. Yes, we get it, the release sucked. But I'm seeing where they're taking things and I'm liking it.

As for another single player FF in a medieval universe, I'd like to see that. I didn't care for the FF games the X and XIII team work on. It's just far too linear.


i agree with you that the game is going in a good direction, but in business a product such as this can't be sustained with a small group of people. the game needs to be able to at least break even in cost. If it doesn't it doesnt matter how many people are dedicated to playing. this is a business after all.

business wise, i don't think anyone can dissagree that they should have scrapped the game. it was a failure at launch and still holds that tarnished image. What square should have done is taken the game offline for 2-3 more years and try to re-release it again, which is what most businesses do. keeping it up while improving it is hurting the game more than it is helping.

now im not saying that i would like to see ffxiv go away, because im enjoying what im playing right now, but i would not hold it against them if they did because it would have been the best business decision.


If Squenix had taken XIV offline or scrapped it, it would have done more to ruin or "tarnish" their image than what actually happened. It would have been deemed an instant and utter failure instead of being a chance for redemption like it is now.

I've said this before, as have others, but it's important to understand that FFXIV is not being funded by outside investors or shareholders. It's being funded purely by Squenix itself and its massive coffers. They have money to last a looooong time when it comes to maintaining development on XIV. Keeping the game running allows them to essentially run a paid beta until they decide to start charging subs and/or release the PS3 version. That means they can test out changes, see how those changes work, and communicate with the community to find out what's good and what's not.
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I dont know that shutting down FFXIV would be any worse than whats happened. Most FF fans never cared about it to begin with, the MMO community seems to know that it never caught on so servers up or down its pretty much a non entity. The game is just on so few radars at this point, I doubt it will affect the future of FF games at all if it succeeds or fails.
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If Squenix had taken XIV offline or scrapped it, it would have done more to ruin or "tarnish" their image than what actually happened. It would have been deemed an instant and utter failure instead of being a chance for redemption like it is now.


No it wouldn't have. It would be in the same boat it's in now, only they probably would have been even FARTHER along with the improvements since they wouldn't have to spend half their time dealing with stuff that becomes broken after the patch, they could have just kept plugging away on new ideas and fix problems as they arise. I'm not saying it was completely wrong for them to keep FFXIV live, but it certainly wouldn't have ruined the game had they done it.
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#21 Oct 07 2011 at 9:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Poor Wint...I get you man, I get you...

What does everyone think about the STYLE of FFXIV? Would you want to see this type of work in the next offline FF? Do you prefer the FF7, FF8, FF10, FF13 "futuristic" styling? Or do you like oldschool fantasy?

Do you like the look and feel of the city-states and characters models in FFXIV?
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Yeah I'm just going to lock this, it's clear I should have made my own post rather than linking to Kotaku, it's going nowhere Smiley: smile
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