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#1 Oct 13 2011 at 1:44 PM Rating: Default
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Leveling, plain and simple.

This needs to be a priority not just an after thought. Leveling *is* content and lots of it. The nerf to behest not to long ago ended my FFXIV journey. Behest was just enough carrot and stick to keep me going. Granted by some standards it was "fast" leveling but my highest level isn't even that high. I have played this game for more hours then I even want to admit when it first came out and through several patches later.

Every time I start back up I'm excited to see the UI a little quicker, excited to see the shiny new armor and weapons. That excitement quickly fades when I have no one to group with and the journey to 50 now is longer then ever. People complained about the last exploit in PLing but guess what, people were actually playing and enjoying the game. I wasn't one of them. I want something that is above the norm now but not mindlessly game-breaking in terms of how fast I can obtain a lvl 50 and doesn't require the use of someone else or a second PC.

The endless grind belongs at the end of the game not at the start of it.
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#2 Oct 13 2011 at 1:46 PM Rating: Decent
You're on Rabanstre, your post is irrelevant. People shout for normal XP parties all day there and it's one of the major english servers.
The journey to 50 is now shorter than ever, you just can't solo it anymore. And that is without a PL.

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#3 Oct 13 2011 at 1:53 PM Rating: Decent
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You're joking right? Rabnastre is a ghost town. I kinda get the feeling people who have stuck this out have a very distorted view of what is really happening around them. When no one talks, one or two shouts an hour does seem very noisy.
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Actually this game is still soloable from what I can tell, albeit slow, but still doable. Just chain on mobs a bit lower than your level... How is that not solable?
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The game is more soloable than before. I have no idea what you guys are crying about. I mean, 500-800 exp per kill solo wasn't something you'd see past the very early levels pre 1.19.

Also, yeah, I'm sure those guys being PL'd were having some much fun, being AFK and all.
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#6 Oct 13 2011 at 2:35 PM Rating: Good
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You're joking right? Rabnastre is a ghost town. I kinda get the feeling people who have stuck this out have a very distorted view of what is really happening around them. When no one talks, one or two shouts an hour does seem very noisy.


It takes time to meet other palyers and develop friendships. It does NOT take that long to get into an LS and start making those friends.

There are many active LS on Rabnastre, ours usually has about 10-20 people on it at any given time. We know many of the members of other LSs. Chances are, when we run into someone in the field, someone in our LS party knows them, and we can coordinate camps civilly.

As always, in FF if you can't find a party, make one. It will fill up.

When you say that people that stuck this out have a distorted view, what you mean is, people who have stuck this out have networks of friends to play with already. You are assuming that none of those LS want you to join them, and I doubt that very much. Give some people the benifit of the doubt and you may be surprisd how fast you can make a ton of great friends to play with reliably.
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Light party with 99 leve allowances sounds like a very easy way to level to me.
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The game is more soloable than before. I have no idea what you guys are crying about. I mean, 500-800 exp per kill solo wasn't something you'd see past the very early levels pre 1.19.

Also, yeah, I'm sure those guys being PL'd were having some much fun, being AFK and all.


Despite how broken it is/was, the PL was still a reason for players to group up regardless of whether or not you were afk or having a discussion with those in group or LS mates. Getting groups of people together is (personally at least) a big reason XIV suffers.

For perspective, a large part of why people quit FFXI was because their friends were leaving. If SE could have improved the grouping aspect of XIV without forcing those who prefer not to group to be penalized, they'd be much closer to salvaging this game. Balance is everything.
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I gotta say, soloing is simple. It really is. It's better than at any time I can recall. I couldn't help but notice that there are places where people are farming, and there are places where people are gathering, a lot of people are crafting, and I see quite a bit of people getting PLs (not after this patch, I hope), but nobody is doing leves. I was able to XP 45-50 pretty easily on leves. It's like this: Get 4 leves for a camp at or below your level. Set the difficulty of each leve to the lowest star rating in which the enemies will still match or exceed your level, then finish the leve as quickly as possible. You will get exp chains, you will get completion bonuses, plus a bonus if you completed quickly or at higher than 1 star. All of this exp will be increased by 50% if you use aspect (which, if you haven't done leves since the patch then you have enough to use a bit). Leves were terrible in 1.18, but they are much better in 1.19. Sure, there are some spots that are terrible (Broken Water), but there are plenty of good locations to do leves, and profit, solo. You can get ~50k per hour solo after rank 40 by doing leves).

I will reserve judgment on exp parties until after I play 1.19a. I will say that the ones I have been on have been quite profitable, easily surpassing the 50k per hour I was making soloing leves, however, there weren't very many parties available, and the ones I found were at the Amaljaa Stronghold (lvl 50). Lower level exp parties were non-existent in 1.19, with good reason: Why party grind when you can AFK PL? With the loss of PLing, perhaps there will be some real exp parties formed. As for the search function, it sucks. Yes, we all know it sucks. It needs to be fixed, and we should just be able to search through players and see who has classes at the appropriate level. My understanding is that this is a priority for the dev team now.
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I'm sorry to say, but it's easily feasible to go from rank 1 to 50 in a matter of days since 1.19 hit.
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Bringing back the simple and intuitive search party function from FFXI would fix a lot of these complaints.

It's a shame that this game is still being held back by things that already existed in FFXI such as search function, AH, and mailbox . I wish someone would ask the devs point blank WTF are they thinking by not making adding these things a top priority.
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Leveling, plain and simple.

This needs to be a priority not just an after thought. Leveling *is* content and lots of it. The nerf to behest not to long ago ended my FFXIV journey. Behest was just enough carrot and stick to keep me going. Granted by some standards it was "fast" leveling but my highest level isn't even that high. I have played this game for more hours then I even want to admit when it first came out and through several patches later.

Every time I start back up I'm excited to see the UI a little quicker, excited to see the shiny new armor and weapons. That excitement quickly fades when I have no one to group with and the journey to 50 now is longer then ever. People complained about the last exploit in PLing but guess what, people were actually playing and enjoying the game. I wasn't one of them. I want something that is above the norm now but not mindlessly game-breaking in terms of how fast I can obtain a lvl 50 and doesn't require the use of someone else or a second PC.

The endless grind belongs at the end of the game not at the start of it.


What was the behest nerf?
#13 Oct 13 2011 at 4:15 PM Rating: Good
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You're joking right? Rabnastre is a ghost town. I kinda get the feeling people who have stuck this out have a very distorted view of what is really happening around them. When no one talks, one or two shouts an hour does seem very noisy.


It takes time to meet other palyers and develop friendships. It does NOT take that long to get into an LS and start making those friends.

There are many active LS on Rabnastre, ours usually has about 10-20 people on it at any given time. We know many of the members of other LSs. Chances are, when we run into someone in the field, someone in our LS party knows them, and we can coordinate camps civilly.

As always, in FF if you can't find a party, make one. It will fill up.

When you say that people that stuck this out have a distorted view, what you mean is, people who have stuck this out have networks of friends to play with already. You are assuming that none of those LS want you to join them, and I doubt that very much. Give some people the benifit of the doubt and you may be surprisd how fast you can make a ton of great friends to play with reliably.


This is very true. I've been partying regularly since 1.19. It has been wonderful fun and wonderful exp. Every time I should in Ul'dah, I end up with at least 6/8 and most often a Full Party. Perhaps the OP hasn't played since the new patch. I personally invite said OP to party with me, I'm also on Rabanastre. I specialize in making 25-30 parties.

The prevailing sentiment that has worked for me in FFXI and has continued to do so in XIV is that if you want something you have to work for it. No one shouting for parties then shout for one. You'll level much, much faster than if you sit on your hands wishing someone would invite you. (Mnk and Drg in 2005 taught me that.)
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#14 Oct 13 2011 at 4:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Leveling, plain and simple.


I barely touch a Disciple of War/Magic. In fact until 1.19 hit My highest combat class was 30~ Thaumaturge. I dinged 49 last night. PL/No PL...the grind is not bad. Exp chains...Link Chains...even a casual can get 50 in no time.
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#15 Oct 13 2011 at 4:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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Welp, I'll give it a try. I think I'm going to be disappointed again though. I never see people communicating at camps or in towns when I am on. I think you guys have the benefit of being in stable linkshells which is something I would welcome. Anyways off to Uldah in a few.
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#16 Oct 13 2011 at 4:37 PM Rating: Excellent
Soloing R40 Leves was, and still is, a fast and farily fun way to get from 40-50.

At 3-6k EXP reward each leve, not counting mob EXP, it's just a couple days per level and can be done in an hour or two a day.

Even at a casual rate you can get from R40-50 in a couple weeks.

Don't forget that the Main Storyline Quests give ever increasing EXP rewards. The R36 one is about 26,000 EXP, and the R45 quest is a whopping 45,000 EXP. That's about half a level at 45+.

45+ is also the easiest time to find an EXP party. At least that is the range I see party shouts for most commonly.


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Welp, I'll give it a try. I think I'm going to be disappointed again though. I never see people communicating at camps or in towns when I am on. I think you guys have the benefit of being in stable linkshells which is something I would welcome. Anyways off to Uldah in a few.


I'm not sure what the Behest nerf was - but Behest was changed this patch.

There's no longer a '1hr' cooldown. If you complete a Behest - you can sign up for the next one TWO MINUTES after the signups open. I think this will allow people to chain behests if the groups are not filling up, yes?
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Not possible to solo anymore?

What the ****?

Yes it is. First of all, assuming you don't play like a crazy person, you could conceivably hit 50 on leves alone, and solo.

But even if you need to grind on leve downtime, you're still able to solo, and probably faster EXP wise, even if you're getting less kills, the fights are going to give more exp generally speaking.

Partying should be a lot better now, I haven't tried it at low levels, but at high levels we got 50% of the way from 49 to 50 in about an hour. EXPing has gotten better by far, even if behest was noticeably nerfed, (I never did it enough to notice) it certainly isn't overall a much worse experience for that reason.

Oh also there's solo only Grand Company leves, not sure how those are for exp though.
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The behest nerf was a dramatic decrease in exp (over half) and they included a cool down timer so you couldn't do back to back. Worst day ever :( I was finding people to group with at the behests at the time.

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I agree the original change to behest was pretty bad. They were trying to address the problem of the same people getting into behest back to back and some people getting excluded. However they went about it the wrong way and there were times nobody was even at camp waiting to do behests but I couldn't sign up for behest because of the cool-down timer. Having said that, this was changed in 1.19. Now if you did the last behest you just have to wait 2 minutes to join in so other people get a chance to sign up first if they didn't get to do it previously or were too slow or had connections too lousy to get in behest. So you can now again do behest back-to-back if the camp isn't crowded. It was a good fix. I understand that it must have been frustrating for you but you should give it another try post-patch Moxley :) I am also on Rabanastre, feel free to send me a tell if you are looking for a shell to join. Being in a friendly, helpful shell makes a world of difference.
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The behest fix in 1.19 is awesome.
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Not sure if serious.

Leveling is incredibly fast, you can get 40-50 in one "hardcore" sitting on a weekend if you wanted. Most people can do 40-45 in like 6 hours or less.

Getting to level 25 is pretty easy and 1.19a made it easier on the lower levels. Using gaurdian aspect + solo'ing leves nets a ton of exp. Getting a grind party is easy as pie, and guess what you can start your own if no one is posting.

On the forums I see people from Raba server posting all the time. Can't really be a 'ghost town' since people have said it's one of the more populated servers...
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Not sure if serious.

Leveling is incredibly fast, you can get 40-50 in one "hardcore" sitting on a weekend if you wanted. Most people can do 40-45 in like 6 hours or less.

Getting to level 25 is pretty easy and 1.19a made it easier on the lower levels. Using gaurdian aspect + solo'ing leves nets a ton of exp. Getting a grind party is easy as pie, and guess what you can start your own if no one is posting.

On the forums I see people from Raba server posting all the time. Can't really be a 'ghost town' since people have said it's one of the more populated servers...


Can you elaborate for me a little? I'm not kidding either.

By the time the weekend opens up and I can play - I will have about 50 Leve allowances. I'm 35 (2k from 36) THM now. Is it really possible to grind out to get to 45 in a weekend if someone can go 40-45 in a hardcore sitting? Are you talking about in a party chaining mobs? Are you talking doing incredible amounts of Leves?

Right now at 35 I'm doing Nophica Leves. The bonus ranges from 2,300 to 3,100 depending. I do them at +3 difficulty, so the mobs are rank 33. I can solo the Behest which gives about 2,500 to 3,000XP bonus I believe not counting bonus XP.

When I get 36 - I should be able to turn on +6 difficulty (3 star) and chain mobs until Rank 37 - at which point I continue to do the same difficulty until Rank 39.. so there's really only one Rank I get mob chain XP (the XP is still solid though, from Link XP) - Basically: Am I doing this right?

I assume once I hit 40 I should immediately move to the new camps as their reward will be higher. As THM, I'm pretty **** strong - but mobs more then 2+ levels higher then me in groups will still kill me - so I'm not sure if risking difficulty increases is worth the time vs XP made.

Anyway, sorry for side track.
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Not sure if serious.

Leveling is incredibly fast, you can get 40-50 in one "hardcore" sitting on a weekend if you wanted. Most people can do 40-45 in like 6 hours or less.

Getting to level 25 is pretty easy and 1.19a made it easier on the lower levels. Using gaurdian aspect + solo'ing leves nets a ton of exp. Getting a grind party is easy as pie, and guess what you can start your own if no one is posting.

On the forums I see people from Raba server posting all the time. Can't really be a 'ghost town' since people have said it's one of the more populated servers...


Can you elaborate for me a little? I'm not kidding either.

By the time the weekend opens up and I can play - I will have about 50 Leve allowances. I'm 35 (2k from 36) THM now. Is it really possible to grind out to get to 45 in a weekend if someone can go 40-45 in a hardcore sitting? Are you talking about in a party chaining mobs? Are you talking doing incredible amounts of Leves?

Right now at 35 I'm doing Nophica Leves. The bonus ranges from 2,300 to 3,100 depending. I do them at +3 difficulty, so the mobs are rank 33. I can solo the Behest which gives about 2,500 to 3,000XP bonus I believe not counting bonus XP.

When I get 36 - I should be able to turn on +6 difficulty (3 star) and chain mobs until Rank 37 - at which point I continue to do the same difficulty until Rank 39.. so there's really only one Rank I get mob chain XP (the XP is still solid though, from Link XP) - Basically: Am I doing this right?

I assume once I hit 40 I should immediately move to the new camps as their reward will be higher. As THM, I'm pretty **** strong - but mobs more then 2+ levels higher then me in groups will still kill me - so I'm not sure if risking difficulty increases is worth the time vs XP made.

Anyway, sorry for side track.



I haven't played THM seriously but other people have said THM and CON are the two easiest classes for solo and leve'ing. At 35 you should be able to do the leves on +9 (4 stars), at the very least 3 stars. THM can just AoE nuke everything down... you might be "doing it wrong". I'd check on the lodestone or ask someone who play THM more than I do and see what the strategy is... I assume its stoneskin + nuke lol.

Increasing mob level will reward more SP and you get chain bonus. The exp you receive is determined by your level vs. mob level, so you always want to fight things your level or higher so you get bonus exp.

And yes once you get to 40 the new beastmen camps and a party is just crazy exp. And to correct you I said you can get to 40-50 in one 'hardcore' sitting (probably like 10-12 hours, thats crazy hardcore imo) but could easily do 40-45 in 6 hours with a good group.

For example... yesterday I leveled my Lancer from 37 10k exp in to 39 20k exp in a matter of an hour and a half doing leve's with a party. Also... you might want to do leve's in GRID or LL, Uldah leves reward the lowest amount of exp. I was getting 6,500 exp on leves that I was using aspect.
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I haven't played THM seriously but other people have said THM and CON are the two easiest classes for solo and leve'ing. At 35 you should be able to do the leves on +9 (4 stars), at the very least 3 stars. THM can just AoE nuke everything down... you might be "doing it wrong". I'd check on the lodestone or ask someone who play THM more than I do and see what the strategy is... I assume its stoneskin + nuke lol.

Increasing mob level will reward more SP and you get chain bonus. The exp you receive is determined by your level vs. mob level, so you always want to fight things your level or higher so you get bonus exp.

And yes once you get to 40 the new beastmen camps and a party is just crazy exp. And to correct you I said you can get to 40-50 in one 'hardcore' sitting (probably like 10-12 hours, thats crazy hardcore imo) but could easily do 40-45 in 6 hours with a good group.

For example... yesterday I leveled my Lancer from 37 10k exp in to 39 20k exp in a matter of an hour and a half doing leve's with a party. Also... you might want to do leve's in GRID or LL, Uldah leves reward the lowest amount of exp. I was getting 6,500 exp on leves that I was using aspect.


It could be my gear or my weapon possibly - although there's nothing 'new' available at Level 36 and Wards are bit scarce at the moment. I'm using the Rank 31 weapon and just finished Spiritbonding it - the Electrum Scepter is Rank 41 so it's a little bit higher. I play the THM fairly well I hope - I use elemental affinity for Umbral/Astral and Drain. I use Blood Rite II and all the buffs. I do not use Stoneskin - it seemed to only be taking 1 hit before being broke but that was a fair bit ago so I may need to try using it again. I don't have Stoneskin II.

Yeah, no doubt it's easy as THM. I was blowing up Hippocerfs in Corethas en route to my Grand Company stuff with ease. If I ever did get low on HP one Drain-ga literally filled me up completely. I could be playing it too safe. 4 Star would make them Level 39 (it caps at 9 levels, right?) -which would be 4 levels above me.

I understand how the XP bonus works. The first thing I did when I got to Nophica after the patch at rank 35 was trying a +6 and I almost got killed by Dodos if I remember correctly - so I may need to rearrange skills.

So I basically > Protect/Shell/Shock Spikes > Use Tier1 > Tier2 > Tier1 > Drain > Tier2 > Tier1 on mobs at the moment. By practice I've learned what to Scourge/Banish accordingly. I use Blood Rite II on cooldown and save Profundity for "kill shot" type nukes with Tier2 spells (which can hit for 500+ damage on all mobs stacked with Blood Rite). Unless people are going the DoT route or something there's honestly not much else to do differently unless I should be setting Conjurer nukes/debuffs. Stoneskin would be an obvious change but I seem to remember taking it off because it barely took noteworthy damage but I could be wrong.



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I didn't know Grid/LL gave more XP... my bonus has never exceeded like 3,200 with Aspect. That's a pretty massive difference if that's true, that would double the amount of XP from Leves I recieve and basically double my XP speed.

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Yeah like I said, I was getting 5-6,500 exp bonus from leves in Grid last night as a level 37 / 38 lancer.

Use stoneskin. I don't know the rotation of your spells, but buff up and use your hard nukes on AoE when they are in a group... I usually see THM / CON take down a huge group in one swift blow (spell).

Def check your gear, the vendors now sell thing cheaper as well. Or get the mats and ask someone to craft something for you.

Leve's cap at 5 star which is +12... I hear they are hard to do.

Also, doing leve's last night I was in a 8/8 or 6/8 party and doing 3-4 stars... you get more xp for time completion bonus as well.

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Yeah like I said, I was getting 5-6,500 exp bonus from leves in Grid last night as a level 37 / 38 lancer.

Use stoneskin. I don't know the rotation of your spells, but buff up and use your hard nukes on AoE when they are in a group... I usually see THM / CON take down a huge group in one swift blow (spell).

Def check your gear, the vendors now sell thing cheaper as well. Or get the mats and ask someone to craft something for you.

Leve's cap at 5 star which is +12... I hear they are hard to do.


Well, switching areas alone will double my XP rate so that's a huge boost already - thank you.

I'll try Stoneskin. We only have 2 Nukes at this level so it's got to be impossibly hard to be mess it up. I get Shadowseer at 42 which is a massive nuke from my understanding.

The mobs 1-2 levels below me - I usually take them down within 4-6 spells - usually on the lesser side with Blood Rite/Profundity stacked. And I literally do make them explode within a few seconds. It was the incoming damage from higher ranked mobs that was causing some problems I believe - maybe Stoneskin will help fix that.

Yeah the vendors actually sell Rank 36 gear (in the THM Guild) for about 70,000 to 150,000 a pop. I wanted to Spiritbond all my gear (some done, others very close) before I upgraded. Maybe it's the increased Defense I need to help tank some of the tougher stuff. I actually don't even have any arm-armor - and the 2 I can buy for 75,000 a pop will give +8MACC (not sure if arm stuff grants Def or not) - but that's pretty huge.

Thanks for elaborating.
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I would suggest looking for a party, starting a party, even duo / trio leve's are better. Let's you get more exp and its much more fun. If you haven't level CON you might want to get a few levels on that so you get access to there abilities.

I don't know if the vendor prices you listed are from 1.19A because they just adjusted the stuff yesterday... they might be, but I haven't checked myself. If those are the true prices, I would certainly look in the market wards or try to find an LS or someone to help you get NM drops. I have almost all the NM drops and dungeon drops which lets me get through a huge portion of the game w/o having to buy any gear at all. (Bodies / Weapons / head pieces / legs)
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I would suggest looking for a party, starting a party, even duo / trio leve's are better. Let's you get more exp and its much more fun. If you haven't level CON you might want to get a few levels on that so you get access to there abilities.

I don't know if the vendor prices you listed are from 1.19A because they just adjusted the stuff yesterday... they might be, but I haven't checked myself. If those are the true prices, I would certainly look in the market wards or try to find an LS or someone to help you get NM drops. I have almost all the NM drops and dungeon drops which lets me get through a huge portion of the game w/o having to buy any gear at all. (Bodies / Weapons / head pieces / legs)


Yeah it's 1.19a prices. They adjusted the rank 1-25ish stuff MUCH more then the Guild specific gear. I shouldn't have much of a problem finding equal level stuff in the Wards with some luck.

I got CNJ to 20 - need to get it to 30 for Fast Cast then eventually cap it for Chainspell and Stoneskin II but unless someone strongly recommends it I'll just leave it at 20 until THM is finished.
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I would suggest looking for a party, starting a party, even duo / trio leve's are better. Let's you get more exp and its much more fun. If you haven't level CON you might want to get a few levels on that so you get access to there abilities.

I don't know if the vendor prices you listed are from 1.19A because they just adjusted the stuff yesterday... they might be, but I haven't checked myself. If those are the true prices, I would certainly look in the market wards or try to find an LS or someone to help you get NM drops. I have almost all the NM drops and dungeon drops which lets me get through a huge portion of the game w/o having to buy any gear at all. (Bodies / Weapons / head pieces / legs)


Yeah it's 1.19a prices. They adjusted the rank 1-25ish stuff MUCH more then the Guild specific gear. I shouldn't have much of a problem finding equal level stuff in the Wards with some luck.

I got CNJ to 20 - need to get it to 30 for Fast Cast then eventually cap it for Chainspell and Stoneskin II but unless someone strongly recommends it I'll just leave it at 20 until THM is finished.


I think if I remember correctly... you can buy the skill 'Fast Cast' along with anything else at any level.. but it won't "work" until level 30. So if you buy that skill from CON guild and equip it on your THM it shuld work. Might want to double check on that or if anyone else here can verify.
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