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#1 Oct 14 2011 at 4:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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So with the new changes announced..

Edit: Info here: <url removed>

After looking at the changes...are you in or out?
In:176 (44.9%)
Out (Quit! I'm not paying for this!):78 (19.9%)
Out for now, but will revisit next year when the changes are in place:138 (35.2%)
Total:392



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#2 Oct 14 2011 at 5:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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Any chance you can add an "I would pay for this if I could"? Kidding, kidding, I'll just put myself down for revisiting.
#3 Oct 14 2011 at 5:53 AM Rating: Good
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im going to stop id rather start fresh from 2.0 as currently i just dont have the time to sit down and play often enough so paying £10/month doesnt seem worth it.

The V2.0 looks amazing though so i will be keeping an eye on it and i hope to revisit the game on 2nd release.
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#4 Oct 14 2011 at 6:19 AM Rating: Good
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Well I'm certainly not for sure "In". My plan's been to milk the F2P for some casual gaming and watch the game grow. With zero intent on ever giving SE more money. I feel like I should stick to that, though I have been known to change my mind often. So I can't say I'm completely done forever either.
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#5 Oct 14 2011 at 6:43 AM Rating: Good
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f it , im in for the long run lol i cant wait for the NEW UI design @@;


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#6 Oct 14 2011 at 6:44 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm still what would be considered a new player, but I hit rank 30, and gotten a pretty good gist of what this game is right now.

SE has put out a gorgeous MMORPG with spacious zones, well done cutscenes, and a generally nice atmosphere.

Unfortunately, those are most of the positives. It's funny they would transition back to a subscription so soon, because the "content" that this game offers is more akin to a F2P Korean grinder than a quality game. The problem there is...Korean grinders generally offer a relatively fun, smooth battle system to counter out the grind.

FFXI had one of the slowest paced battle systems out there, with arbitrary delays and clunky design in general.
This being said, FFXIV's battle system is worse in every single way. Any new player who isn't swimming in hype over the brand or trying to validate their purchase is going to immediately be turned away by combat. The simple fact that spell and skill animations don't sync up with your fingers is hilariously bad, and seems like a horrible bug that should have been fixed in CBT.

The majority of the gameplay revolves around grinding, with extremely sporadic dungeon runs. This is alright, for a F2P Korean MMO.
But you may say, "Look at the story!".
Here's my experience with the storyline, in the form of chocobo quest:
I did Uldah's first 2 grand company quests, watched what was a pretty neat set of cutscenes.
This led me to do the first 2 of Gridania and Limsa, which involved an equal amount of pointless walking, but still seemed tolerable.

This process was repeated 9 times for each town before I was able to join one. It was over 4 hours of nothing but pointless walking, and that's WITH using 70+ anima where I could. I watched what could be considered the same exact storyline with slightly different characters a dozen times, and only one of the 10+ fights was unique, in which I had to cast 2 spells on a golem.



tl:dr; Quit. I paid $60 for this game on release, and they have put out significantly less content than that price in a years time. Why would I pay a subscription fee to grind? I can do that in a F2P game and have much more convenient gameplay and possibly something to do endgame.
#7 Oct 14 2011 at 7:08 AM Rating: Good
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The way I see it, I payed for a full year's worth subscription of Crysta at the game's launch, so I got to play a year for free. Sunk cost fallacy, perhaps, but at this point I am in.
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#8 Oct 14 2011 at 7:11 AM Rating: Default
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I will stay if by Nov/Dec they fix:

-- UI Lag : and I don't mean a new coat of paint. Its gotta take less than a few seconds to sell one item to the shop or to change my gear or to press any button. The whole system is like moving through sludgy tar.
-- Disciple of Land/Hand monotony: They've tossed these classes in the gutter to focus on DoW content. If DoL/H are jobs just like DoW then they deserve EQUAL content.
-- Recipes: I know the new recipes are coming but I need to see a full complete overflowing amount of good recipes to choose from. I think this goes along with the above point.
-- PS3 release: If this doesn't happen then they might as well just close half the servers down because they are going to be empty.
-- Macros: They are just about useless due to lag. Its absurd.
-- Party/Search system: No search tools? It continues to make no sense how this has been missing for over a year.
-- More content: its still just not there. The game seems empty.

Considering the comment was made by SE that we're playing half-FFXIV will the other half come magically in a month? I really doubt it.

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#9 Oct 14 2011 at 7:13 AM Rating: Good
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well i can tell u know the ps3 release wont happen by this nov/dec since they just say they planning on releasing it with 2.0 in fall of 2012
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#10 Oct 14 2011 at 7:13 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm still what would be considered a new player, but I hit rank 30, and gotten a pretty good gist of what this game is right now.

SE has put out a gorgeous MMORPG with spacious zones, well done cutscenes, and a generally nice atmosphere.

Unfortunately, those are most of the positives. It's funny they would transition back to a subscription so soon, because the "content" that this game offers is more akin to a F2P Korean grinder than a quality game. The problem there is...Korean grinders generally offer a relatively fun, smooth battle system to counter out the grind.

FFXI had one of the slowest paced battle systems out there, with arbitrary delays and clunky design in general.
This being said, FFXIV's battle system is worse in every single way. Any new player who isn't swimming in hype over the brand or trying to validate their purchase is going to immediately be turned away by combat. The simple fact that spell and skill animations don't sync up with your fingers is hilariously bad, and seems like a horrible bug that should have been fixed in CBT.

The majority of the gameplay revolves around grinding, with extremely sporadic dungeon runs. This is alright, for a F2P Korean MMO.
But you may say, "Look at the story!".
Here's my experience with the storyline, in the form of chocobo quest:
I did Uldah's first 2 grand company quests, watched what was a pretty neat set of cutscenes.
This led me to do the first 2 of Gridania and Limsa, which involved an equal amount of pointless walking, but still seemed tolerable.

This process was repeated 9 times for each town before I was able to join one. It was over 4 hours of nothing but pointless walking, and that's WITH using 70+ anima where I could. I watched what could be considered the same exact storyline with slightly different characters a dozen times, and only one of the 10+ fights was unique, in which I had to cast 2 spells on a golem.



tl:dr; Quit. I paid $60 for this game on release, and they have put out significantly less content than that price in a years time. Why would I pay a subscription fee to grind? I can do that in a F2P game and have much more convenient gameplay and possibly something to do endgame.


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#11 Oct 14 2011 at 7:32 AM Rating: Good
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This game isn't worth paying for yet, maybe in 6-12 months, but to start the subscription next month? their going to lose about 50% of their playerbase because of this. They should only start charging for the product when they deem it worthy to release on ps3.
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#12 Oct 14 2011 at 7:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Eskeran wrote:
This game isn't worth paying for yet, maybe in 6-12 months, but to start the subscription next month? their going to lose about 50% of their playerbase because of this. They should only start charging for the product when they deem it worthy to release on ps3.


50%? What is that in terms of active population? 100 people a server?

Even the so called populated servers are on life support, and that's with the game being FREE.
#13 Oct 14 2011 at 7:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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Probably out for now I guess.
I enjoy playing the game. I have some issues with things, but for the most part I really do enjoy playing it.

But the game is not in a state where I can justify paying for it monthly. I can afford it, I just don't think it's currently worth the price at all. I understand that they do need to start making a profit though, so I'm not really angry that they will start charging soon. It had to happen eventually.

But still...
It's nowhere near complete enough to be charged for. There are to many things that remain broken at this point to do that. And they will remain broken for months after the billing starts.
There is to much time between current XIV and new XIV. Far to much time. No one is going to care at that point. They would need almost constant content updates to keep a lot of players in the game long enough to see this new version.

A lot of people saying they are in it for the long haul probably won't be. It's really easy to say they will right now, but who knows how many will actually stay come November/December. The playerbase is going to have a massive drop once the charging starts. There's really no denying the fact that a ton of players only play now because it is still free.
I want to get excited about female Roegadyn, but that's a year away. Same for Leviathin and Garuda and Odin, and what may be Alexander or just an Iron Giant. It's all so god **** far away. I don't know where my life will be in a year. I don't know if I'll really have time to re-start an MMO honestly.

The new UI looks cool and all(Why would Agrias even join a party with Delita...) but I'll probably never see it.
So much new cool stuff, but again, it's just all to far away.

If there is another patch by the time billing starts, I will probably stay around and check it out at least. Maybe it will convince me that the game is worth paying for, but who knows.
It's weird to be excited about news like this, and hating it all at the same time.
Man that's long, but I feel a bit better after typing all of that.
No matter what I end up doing, quitting today or playing next year, I do hope the game becomes a success. That's all I've wanted for it since I started beta really. It has so much potential, but I just don't know if people will stay around long enough for SE to make this game as awesome as it should be.
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#14 Oct 14 2011 at 7:42 AM Rating: Default
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I just cant justify paying for the game, still we have no AH, no player housing and not even a party search feature, all basics of MMO's 10 years ago, let alone today.

Also speaking of the mordern era, there is so many good free game options these days (League of legends, World of tanks etc..) then why do they think they can charge for a quater finished game that even they themselves wont release on ps3 until 2013.

Looking back they should have just closed the servers after release and re-worked the game from scratch.

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#15 Oct 14 2011 at 7:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well. I'll be in because I like the game enough.

Said that I think we are funding the production process of another game... Final Fantasy XIV 2.0 while playing a broken one. In some way I think it's not fair.
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Any chance you can add an "I would pay for this if I could"? Kidding, kidding, I'll just put myself down for revisiting.

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I will stay if by Nov/Dec they fix:

-- UI Lag : and I don't mean a new coat of paint. Its gotta take less than a few seconds to sell one item to the shop or to change my gear or to press any button. The whole system is like moving through sludgy tar.
-- Disciple of Land/Hand monotony: They've tossed these classes in the gutter to focus on DoW content. If DoL/H are jobs just like DoW then they deserve EQUAL content.
-- Recipes: I know the new recipes are coming but I need to see a full complete overflowing amount of good recipes to choose from. I think this goes along with the above point.
-- PS3 release: If this doesn't happen then they might as well just close half the servers down because they are going to be empty.
-- Macros: They are just about useless due to lag. Its absurd.
-- Party/Search system: No search tools? It continues to make no sense how this has been missing for over a year.
-- More content: its still just not there. The game seems empty.

Considering the comment was made by SE that we're playing half-FFXIV will the other half come magically in a month? I really doubt it.



I don't think you read the new stuff that is out... this answers most of these
#18 Oct 14 2011 at 8:11 AM Rating: Good
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dodonpachi wrote:

Well. I'll be in because I like the game enough.

Said that I think we are funding the production process of another game... Final Fantasy XIV 2.0 while playing a broken one. In some way I think it's not fair.


Eh... I get your point, it's a funky thing. I wouldn't say it's a new game because all of our progress and data is being carried over. They just need to redo the zones, ui, serve.... ok they have to basically redo everything. It all stems from Tanaka having a horrible server design and structural code that creates the game.

As they said its becoming overly complex and just messy. This is why they haven't been able to implement party search and some commands people are calling "basic" it all stems from this sloppy ground work Tanaka's team did.

They will still be adding to the current version, but when the reboot 2.0 version hits, the game will certainly feel like a new game.

50/50 interesting point you make... we are in limbo right meow
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I voted yes.

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I just cant justify paying for the game, still we have no AH, no player housing and not even a party search feature, all basics of MMO's 10 years ago, let alone today.


What MMOs have player housing? The last MMO I played that had true player housing was Ultima Online.
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Eskeran wrote:
I just cant justify paying for the game, still we have no AH, no player housing and not even a party search feature, all basics of MMO's 10 years ago, let alone today.

Also speaking of the mordern era, there is so many good free game options these days (League of legends, World of tanks etc..)
Edited, Oct 14th 2011 9:43am by Eskeran


First, LoL is a bad game really unbalanced and Riot games is very greedy. I played that game for a year and watched the company become focused around dollars. They exploit there 'champion spotlights' to sell it them... anyway tangent I just hate that game so much and what its become.

You haven't been following the game much, so... go read the new stuff they posted on the lodestone.

The basic concept is they can't implement some of the feature you claim to be "basic" because of the horrible job that the orignal team did with designing the database and structural code. In their words it has become "messy and complex".

Sorry I can't post more, work to do... but I suggest you go read the future of ffxiv post.

Edited, Oct 14th 2011 10:26am by RemVye
#21 Oct 14 2011 at 8:25 AM Rating: Decent
I won't be staying/paying for the main reason that FFXIV is not worth the monthly fee yet. I can see that in the future it will be, so maybe I will come back then.

I paid £50 for the game, and now you have been able to buy the same game for less than £10 for months. I already contributed enough and I don't see myself paying any more until I see with my own eyes that FFXIV is worth it.
We got these awesome update letters year ago too, what makes it different this time? The game is not so horrible that it makes me want to cry myself to sleep... but pretty much everything else is exactly the same...


Changed my mind, I will stay and pay :D

Edited, Nov 7th 2011 6:35am by LeilaniWildfire
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I'm in, period. I bought the game, didn't get charged a subscription fee for a year, they're asking that I pay for a year, then get the free version with 2.0 again. I enjoy the game, it's very playable, there's lots of content, and lots to do. It's worth paying for.

SE's financials have taken a beating over this game so far. If they threw in the towel, sure, it might be ok to drop out. However they've kept at it. They're investing a lot more time and money, failure isn't an option and htey'll dump as much money into it as necessary, as they've readily proven. I think it's the least we can do by showing our loyalty and shelling out a measely $150 for a year subscription.
#24 Oct 14 2011 at 8:35 AM Rating: Good
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If we get a functionally sound party search and the economy is showing signs of becoming healthy from both a producer and consumer standpoint, I'll happily pay throughout this transition to 2.0

Though if billing was to start now, even given the status of 1.19 and the progress we've made, I probably wouldn't pay. I grow continually frustrated each time I log in at the continued lack of options for those of us without strong social circles to engage in group-based activities. One can only solo for so long before it quickly becomes tiresome, especially when it's the only option available due to lack of a server-wide community. I don't need handholding to the level of WoW's dungeon finder, but we at least need something that tells all other players, especially those outside our usual circle of companions, that we're willing and able to group up and accomplish a certain goal.

Notice I say 'functionally sound' party search - I won't fault SE if they roll out a search feature that's as useful as say FFXI, yet a dwindling playerbase or lack of early adoption prevents it from being highly used at introduction.

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I'm in...never thought I would be. I really haven't played much the last 6 months. 1.19a so far has pushed me over the line. Its the little things that do it for me...like the saved abilities. I just have a feeling the dev team is finally starting to understand how to use the tools to fix the game. Fixes and adjustments going forward will probably not take months...more like weeks. Larger scale items should be able to stay on the schedule they produced this morning.

As far as the subs...I would imagine SE will lose quite a bit. But I also have always said they were building the new game not for the current players playing for free...but for the players who were waiting to pay for a product worth paying for. I really doubt they are charging because someone in accounting says they are out of money. They are not. They are going to start charging because the game has to start save face and put itself back on the map as a genuine product and remove the notion that this was going to join the F2P world. From SE's point of view, charging and losing some player base would be further motivation to create an excellent product and a smooth transition into the PS3 world.
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Odin sold me...

I want his sword...

But then again Garuda's axe looks awesome.

And the new UI is impressive (if they can pull it off), not a command menu, but still pretty good.

New map designs look well thought out.

While I don't necessarily agree with paying for a beta, I have to say, them allowing us to move our characters from a two year beta onto a live server, and the fact that the content is pretty engaging at this point (need more...), I can afford it, and I enjoy it, so yeah, sign me back up!:)
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LeilaniWildfire wrote:
I won't be staying/paying for the main reason that FFXIV is not worth the monthly fee yet. I can see that in the future it will be, so maybe I will come back then.

I paid £50 for the game, and now you have been able to buy the same game for less than £10 for months. I already contributed enough and I don't see myself paying any more until I see with my own eyes that FFXIV is worth it.
We got these awesome update letters year ago too, what makes it different this time? The game is not so horrible that it makes me want to cry myself to sleep... but pretty much everything else is exactly the same...


Don't let the door hit you on your way out (i mean it i don't want *** prints on my door).. with this SE can clear up leaches and focus on the main body of the community. As they should. I see no reason why SE should cater to people who only play because it's free. V2.0 will be the game that we expected, and i have no objections to pay for the final product. I for one feel honored be a part of this game as it grows, and i will support it.
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them allowing us to move our characters from a two year beta onto a live server


I must have missed this. Would you mind explain a bit more about this or link to the document detailing it please? I'm curious.

Is it that 2.0 will involve all new servers (I knew about the server infrastructure and client software change) and that it won't be a 'morph' from 1.x to 2.0, similar to patches but instead will involved a character/account move?

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them allowing us to move our characters from a two year beta onto a live server


I must have missed this. Would you mind explain a bit more about this or link to the document detailing it please? I'm curious.

Is it that 2.0 will involve all new servers (I knew about the server infrastructure and client software change) and that it won't be a 'morph' from 1.x to 2.0, similar to patches but instead will involved a character/account move?




Yeah...

Def want to check out the notes on this... basically a new game
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I'm sure a lot of people (maybe half of the current playerbase) will pay the first month, maybe even the second, but as they look around and see the game even more deserted than before, they'll decide to postpone renewing their subscription until the game can attract some new blood.

My hunch is that SE doesn't want to deal with the costs of supporting live servers for a small but substantial number of non-playing players, and is confidant that, even if 90% of the already small playerbase quits, they'll get them back when 2.0 officially launches.

For those of you playing, I hope you enjoy, but SE is basically telling us that this game won't be something they're proud of for at least another year.
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I'm sure a lot of people (maybe half of the current playerbase) will pay the first month, maybe even the second, but as they look around and see the game even more deserted than before, they'll decide to postpone renewing their subscription until the game can attract some new blood.

My hunch is that SE doesn't want to deal with the costs of supporting live servers for a small but substantial number of non-playing players, and is confidant that, even if 90% of the already small playerbase quits, they'll get them back when 2.0 officially launches.

For those of you playing, I hope you enjoy, but SE is basically telling us that this game won't be something they're proud of for at least another year.


http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/27181-Pay-to-Play-Subscription-Cast-your-votes%21

2:1 saying they will stick around. Lindblum is pretty populated and I can see a lot of players sticking around. Even if half of them left it would still be pretty populated.

You guys don't take much into account when you through these biased numbers around. Yes, some people will leave, some will stay, some will join as new players, some will return from when the game was released, some will leave after a few months. It will be a constant cycle. With each patch people will say "oh they put jobs in" "oh they added new primal battle and 2 new instaced raids" and they will want to check out the game.

I don't think its to a point where people say "oh they are re-doing the game I'm quitting until its finished"... we've known they are re-creating the game for a while. I'd say we are nearing the ends of the beta phase and by December they may be in a position that charging would be fine.


edit: also you must realize that the people who post on the forums are the 'vocal minority' more people are actually playing the game rather than posting on forums. Your estimate was 50% of the player base will stick around... I'm going on the optimistic route and say 80% will stick around.

Edited, Oct 14th 2011 11:23am by RemVye
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I'm out for now till until march at the earliest.

I'm just concerned that they are going to start charging but 2.0 relaunch is still a year away. In the mean time I'll be playing SWTOR.
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#33 Oct 14 2011 at 9:47 AM Rating: Decent
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In!

Why? Because after seeing all of the changes that are planned, I am once again filled with hype and hope for a true successor to FFXI.

I've played on and off since launch just to keep an eye on how things have been progressing, and it's actually taking shape with each big update. Now, with the announcement of 2.0, and what basically seems like a complete overhaul, FFXIV will be exactly what we all expected to see in the first place.

The only difference now is that we know that they will deliver on their promises. Really, they have no choice but to give us exactly what they have outlined. They are taking another big gamble and they've gone all in on the 2.0 release.



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#34 Oct 14 2011 at 9:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'll be quitting for a while.
#35 Oct 14 2011 at 9:59 AM Rating: Excellent
I'm definitely in. However, now I must decide whether to continue my FFXI subscription after the new year. I still haven't beat WoTG, which really bothers me. Maybe it's time I really prioritize getting that done.

As for FFXIV, I'm sure lots of people will choose not to reactivate their accounts, but I'm pretty confident that most of the people who actively play the game now will choose to pay and stick around. There are too many big things happening in Eorzea, and most people who actively play now can see all there is to be excited about.

Also, we've got at least one more big patch before this game goes subscription-based.

Honestly, I'd pay to play now, but with one more big patch coming, I have no doubt I'll be "in."
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#36 Oct 14 2011 at 10:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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If SE will give me both FFXI and XIV for half price, I'll stay. Smiley: grin
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#37 Oct 14 2011 at 10:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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I wish the game was worth paying for.

I haven't been able to play for the last 2-3 weeks. I've tried to play several times, every time I log in but I'll usually just exit the game at the character selection screen or log out right after logging in. There's nothing wrong except the UI delay always creeps into my head everytime I want to jump in and get something done.

If they would fix the UI, I'd pay for the game right now, even with what content is there now. Plus looking at their new information, it looks like they won't be able to fix the UI until they completely overhaul the code, clients and servers for 2.0. So I'll be looking forward to seeing what they do for 2.0 and will be fully ready to pay for it, if it's worth it.
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I'm in, really not like the market is swarming with mmo's worth it.
TERA going to be a AION copy
SWTOR will be a WoW clone
GW2 I'll get but it's f2p so no sleep lost
Diablo III is a **** pile now that you can sell/by items with rl money
Rift is a WoW clone

And that covers the major titles.
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This brings up the question.

If FFXIV is going to start making their paid subscriptions again, does that mean they'll resume the discount for playing both FFXI and FFXIV?

If so. I'm in.
#40 Oct 14 2011 at 10:39 AM Rating: Good
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LOL @ this. I love how one little thing, that isn't even the focal point of the game make it "a sh*t pile".
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I'm staying but I'm not liking what I'm seeing in the poll so far - looks like almost half are either planning to quit or at least leave the game for a while.

I am employed with a good job and also have some leisure time during the week that I can spend having fun including playing games. I can definitely see how someone who isn't employed and/or doesn't have a lot of free time, for example a student or parents with young children, would not be planning on staying once fees go into effect.

I've been playing since CE release over a year ago and have been able to make a decent amount of progress for free so far, so from my point of view I've gotten a nice discount already, albeit the game hasn't been very good for much of that period and has only started to come into its own recently.

One thing I would say that they had absolutely better get their payment system simplified and less convoluted before they start charging. I know having to go through a 3rd-party such as Click-and-Buy and then trying to purchase "Crysta" confused and frustrate a lot of people when this game launched, and if this is still the case, this will definitely push some people who are on the fence away, and maybe for good. Someone who is 50/50 about paying to stay is only gonna take so much cr*p if something as basic as paying your fees is a big PITA.
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It really depends on whether they offer a discount for having both XI and XIV accounts going.

If they don't - then there is a substantial chance I will choose XI over XIV. There is too much grinding in XIV, and too little good content, and I honestly can't really afford to run both at full price at the same time. I just can't do it.

And XIV doesn't have BST. That's pretty huge for me. If they offer a combined basic fee (not including XI mules) of around 15 bucks a month, I will probably keep both rolling. Otherwise, I am probably out for awhile.

I'll probably keep them both rolling over christmas cause I'll have a lot of time off. If XIV somehow manages to capture my attention at that point I will consider changing my mind.

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The way I see it they need to do a graduated scale up on the fee we pay if they are going to start charging, like $4.95 the first 4 months then $9.95 from April 2012 to the 2.0 launch. If they try to charge $12.99 or $14.99 starting Nov 2011 they will lose 1/3 the population. FFXIV v 1.19 is still not worth paying to play, if people chose to pay they are paying for the promise of what is to come now what they are logging into.

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I'm not sure what they're planning to charge , but $14.99 would definitely be suicide I think - a 50% drop in player base wouldn't surprise me at all if this happened. Even $12.99 is pushing it, but at least keeping it in the low teens makes the price more appealing psychologically speaking.

Also, I believe the closed beta for Guild Wars 2 is due to start before the end of the year. More significant MMORPG competition coming - and from a free-to-play game no less.
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Any chance you can add an "I would pay for this if I could"? Kidding, kidding, I'll just put myself down for revisiting.


For me thats a real question...

Since Singapore is not even on the list. I used another country to register lol.

And the **** EU Click N Fail, seems not working.
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The way I see it they need to do a graduated scale up on the fee we pay if they are going to start charging, like $4.95 the first 4 months then $9.95 from April 2012 to the 2.0 launch. If they try to charge $12.99 or $14.99 starting Nov 2011 they will lose 1/3 the population. FFXIV v 1.19 is still not worth paying to play, if people chose to pay they are paying for the promise of what is to come now what they are logging into.


More then likely a flat rate.
The 1/3 that leaves were only with game for the F2P, they would of left anyway when subs started.
That's the point, SE said "this is what v2 will be, however we need the fan base's support to make it".

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#47 Oct 14 2011 at 11:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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One thing I would say that they had absolutely better get their payment system simplified and less convoluted before they start charging. I know having to go through a 3rd-party such as Click-and-Buy and then trying to purchase "Crysta" confused and frustrate a lot of people when this game launched, and if this is still the case, this will definitely push some people who are on the fence away, and maybe for good. Someone who is 50/50 about paying to stay is only gonna take so much cr*p if something as basic as paying your fees is a big PITA.


This is spot on.

The Payment System and the Patcher are NOT on the list of fixes. However, they remain the very first thing you experience if you want to try playing FFXIV.

If they want to draw in people that have little or no MMO experience, then it's common sense to streamline the process between purchase and playing the free trial.

If you have to give your PS3 a static IP so that you can forward ports, any hope of future global success for FFXIV is doomed.


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Well, I've had 10,000 crysta since launch day. I'll see how far that goes.
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The Payment System and the Patcher are NOT on the list of fixes. However, they remain the very first thing you experience if you want to try playing FFXIV.



To be fair, they have said they will be adding options for XI,
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The Payment System and the Patcher are NOT on the list of fixes. However, they remain the very first thing you experience if you want to try playing FFXIV.



To be fair, they have said they will be adding options for XI, so I am guessing those payment options (buying exact amounts of crysta, direct payment with CC) will carry over to XIV
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I don't think I was ever really in.

I like the changes that have been made, but really the game is only a 6.0 to me. It's a bit more than tolerable when there's stuff to do, but not much else.

And sure, the game is light years from what it was but I've stated in other posts that I'd wait until the map changes and other things before I'd even consider paying for this game.

Now that there's going to be a complete overhaul it's taken whatever wind I had left in my sails out. Considering major changes will be in another year and completion in two; that's just too long of a wait for me to stick around, let alone pay.

I liked being able to check in with the game and see how it's progressing and now it wouldn't be worth $15 a month for a day or two of playtime for each new patch.
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