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#252 Oct 21 2011 at 11:45 AM Rating: Decent
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First off, you completely proved my point. No one does it. Second, no you don't have to walk there once to unlock it. Use the dungeon finder and you will get ported there even the first time. When I started playing WoW I did every random dungeon 1-60 and never walked to a single one.


I got to level 12 in the starting zone then i walked over the the main city close by and got 12-80 only ruining random dungeons. As soon as i hit 80 from a random dungeon i started running the daily hero till i have enough marks to get my pre raid armor. All this with out leaving the main city in the starting area.... i felt immersed...
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#253 Oct 21 2011 at 3:58 PM Rating: Good
If FFXIV want to add a cross-server, autogroup dungeon system that allows you to que yourself, then keep on playing until a full party is auto-built, I will not for one moment complain about how this handy feature kills immersion.
#254 Oct 21 2011 at 11:07 PM Rating: Decent
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First off, you completely proved my point. No one does it. Second, no you don't have to walk there once to unlock it. Use the dungeon finder and you will get ported there even the first time. When I started playing WoW I did every random dungeon 1-60 and never walked to a single one.


they changed that. You do have to go the the dungeon once before you can queue for it randomly, with a few exceptions I think.
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BartelX wrote:
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The only low level content I've seen in WoW starts at level 10 when you can do your first dungeon... and it certainly isn't all that immersive when you consider that you can just get ported straight there.

Edited, Oct 21st 2011 10:29am by BartelX


bolded the important part. You can't really blame the game for decisions players make. Dungeon porting is there for convenience, if people want to "rob" themselves of the immersion experience of running there a few times, thats their choice.


Decisions players make? I believe it was WoW devs that added dungeon finder into the game, not the players. I'm not saying it isn't a brilliant tool because I really think it is, but it certainly wasn't up to the players to eliminate the traveling to dungeons. And yes I realize you CAN still travel to the dungeons... but who actually does that?

Edited, Oct 21st 2011 11:58am by BartelX


That's not my problem, if you wanna walk to the dungeon and have all your little immersion getting there, cool with me, i'll just port there and be done with it, is not like the dungeon changes, each time you go to it or anything, plus to unlock said dungeon, you have to actually go there walking once, so you get all the immersion of going to it, then later if you wanna port, you can, is an option, i'm all for options.


First off, you completely proved my point. No one does it. Second, no you don't have to walk there once to unlock it. Use the dungeon finder and you will get ported there even the first time. When I started playing WoW I did every random dungeon 1-60 and never walked to a single one.


But you have the option to do it, if "YOU" want to go and walk to every dungeon every time, you can, the option is there, nobody is telling you or not allowing you to go and immerse yourself, see nobody is telling you how to play the game, you play it as how you see fit, if you wanna walk, then walk, if i wanna port then i port, how does it affect you, how i decide to spend the 15 dollars i pay a month ?
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#257 Oct 22 2011 at 12:38 AM Rating: Good
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This is a ridiculous , real hard core players, and I think a lot of players in general, are going to do raids with a group of friends, or a "Free Company" (Which is looking like a guild). The only ones using the dungeon finder will be people who otherwise don't have time to be on the game 24/7 or at a groups beacon call. I remember being in a Sea/Salvage/whatever else LS on FF11 in college, and I found it a pain in the **** to always be on when called for. If you have the time and will , that's great, you won't use the dungeon finder, because more than likely these groups won't be pro. Anyone who uses WoW dungeon finder knows this. These groups are gimped, because they don't know each other and they are thrown into somewhere together. These are for casual players who otherwise have no time. Its just two ways to get to the same place, you can take the scenic route in the country side and enjoy all the flowers, or you can get on a bullet train and skip the immersion. But no one is going to say get rid of the train because it kills the immersion for everyone else who wanted to take the scenic route.
#258 Oct 22 2011 at 1:50 AM Rating: Decent
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People are actually ******** about having the ability to skip the run to the dungeon..sorry but who cares about running the same path, seeing the same trees..*and in ffxiv you would literally see the same trees..* just to get to a dungeon. I have a life outside of video games now, so I love the instAnt que. If I had a choice about running to a dungeon that will take me 15+ mins or just teleporting there because I have already been there once...then yes I will do the time saver, because as I stated I have a life out side video games and when I want to play I can just play. I hated building parties in ffxi, that could take hours back in 2004, the once built you had the long choco ride to the place you were going to camp...As a 26 year old with a family...*!@# that. It doesn't mean people that like this are less skilled. It just means they understand seeing the same path/tree/mountain 50 times over is not fun...but very boring and repetitive.
#259 Oct 22 2011 at 5:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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I took a deep breath and erased the game a few weeks back. It was one of the hardest things to toss the towel on. I'll see what the game finally looks like in 12-14 months from now. The game had so much potential but I'm not going to pay another dime until I see a game from SE that earned the right to be granted a Final Fantasy title to it.
#260 Oct 22 2011 at 9:51 PM Rating: Good
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I don't think it's too much to ask that if I'm supposed to aid a farmer in his fields that there be

a.) A farmer
b.) A farm
c.) Fields with crops

...present. Is that really too much to ask?


I see what you are trying to say. Soemthing along the lines of Elder Scrolls series where every party of the map is unique and detailed and the quest is specific to the area. Monster actually hidden in the wheat. You are right. Compared to that level of detailing FFXIV is very sparse and repetitive.

I really do like the Storyline and Class Quests. Doing those are the only time I feel immersed in a world with actual people and a storyline that I am part of. The Leves do not at all inspire that fleshed out world feeling.

Even Sacred 2 or or Fable has what you are referring to. Fields with crops and unique caves and such that relate to the quest you are on. It would be awesome if they could get the level of detail present in an Elder Scrolls world map into FFXIV. Not just pretty scenery but significant scenery.

Here's hoping the changes to the map designs brings at least a bit of what you are asking for to FFXIV.




Every mmo known to man has this. Except mmos made by Square-Enix. Just one of the problems of a company wanting to be different for difference sake. S-E cuts off their noses to spite their faces nowadays.
#261 Oct 22 2011 at 11:18 PM Rating: Good
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Zorvan wrote:
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I don't think it's too much to ask that if I'm supposed to aid a farmer in his fields that there be

a.) A farmer
b.) A farm
c.) Fields with crops

...present. Is that really too much to ask?


I see what you are trying to say. Soemthing along the lines of Elder Scrolls series where every party of the map is unique and detailed and the quest is specific to the area. Monster actually hidden in the wheat. You are right. Compared to that level of detailing FFXIV is very sparse and repetitive.

I really do like the Storyline and Class Quests. Doing those are the only time I feel immersed in a world with actual people and a storyline that I am part of. The Leves do not at all inspire that fleshed out world feeling.

Even Sacred 2 or or Fable has what you are referring to. Fields with crops and unique caves and such that relate to the quest you are on. It would be awesome if they could get the level of detail present in an Elder Scrolls world map into FFXIV. Not just pretty scenery but significant scenery.

Here's hoping the changes to the map designs brings at least a bit of what you are asking for to FFXIV.


Every mmo known to man has this. Except mmos made by Square-Enix. Just one of the problems of a company wanting to be different for difference sake. S-E cuts off their noses to spite their faces nowadays.


I don't really know what you mean by "every MMO has this except MMOs by Square-Enix." Even many the earliest quests of 2004-era FFXI had such quests as Bubbly Bernie, where you travelled off to a lighthouse and killed a strange crab who stole a steam clock. Those were awesome and, obviously, very memorable if I can conjure them up seven years from now. FFXI had quests where you'd help people deliver letters; even many where you would get cutscenes - cutscenes that tied into one another and with continuing characters. There was the Star Onion Brigade; and the peeping Tom of Windurst. In Jeuno, you had to light lamps; in Selbina there was those **** sheep that needed corn, corn, millioncorn. All of these in addition to the Rank Missions and the other storylines!

I could probably list at least over a hundred counterexamples to the statement that "every MMO has [terrain and monsters and NPCs that are involved in quests] except MMOs by Square-Enix." So I think, at least in this point, you may be exaggerating quite a bit. o_O
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#262 Oct 23 2011 at 4:47 AM Rating: Good
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In Jeuno, you had to light lamps; in Selbina there was those **** sheep that needed corn, corn, millioncorn. All of these in addition to the Rank Missions and the other storylines!

I could probably list at least over a hundred counterexamples to the statement that "every MMO has [terrain and monsters and NPCs that are involved in quests] except MMOs by Square-Enix." So I think, at least in this point, you may be exaggerating quite a bit. o_O


The rank missions were about the only thing you listed that made an adventurer feel like they were needed. Lighting lamps? C'mon. Feeding sheep? I think I got carpal from spamming corn on that NPC, but never felt like I was doing anything but raising my fame.

"FilthMcNasty! There isn't a soul in the kingdom that doesn't consider you a hero! You will forever be known as the idiot who spent 3 hours spamming corn to the mildly retarded NPC in Selbina." Yeah, there isn't anything more brave than that...

Anyway, XI had it's fair share of meaningful quests, but lighting lamps and feeding sheep should not be counted among them. If those are the types of quests you would include in your list of 'over a hundred', you are greatly exaggerating.


Edited, Oct 23rd 2011 6:48am by FilthMcNasty
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#263 Oct 23 2011 at 10:08 AM Rating: Good
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
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In Jeuno, you had to light lamps; in Selbina there was those **** sheep that needed corn, corn, millioncorn. All of these in addition to the Rank Missions and the other storylines!

I could probably list at least over a hundred counterexamples to the statement that "every MMO has [terrain and monsters and NPCs that are involved in quests] except MMOs by Square-Enix." So I think, at least in this point, you may be exaggerating quite a bit. o_O


The rank missions were about the only thing you listed that made an adventurer feel like they were needed. Lighting lamps? C'mon. Feeding sheep? I think I got carpal from spamming corn on that NPC, but never felt like I was doing anything but raising my fame.

"FilthMcNasty! There isn't a soul in the kingdom that doesn't consider you a hero! You will forever be known as the idiot who spent 3 hours spamming corn to the mildly retarded NPC in Selbina." Yeah, there isn't anything more brave than that...

Anyway, XI had it's fair share of meaningful quests, but lighting lamps and feeding sheep should not be counted among them. If those are the types of quests you would include in your list of 'over a hundred', you are greatly exaggerating.


Well we weren't talking about what quests made you feel like a "great and needed hero," were we? If you read the quote pyramid, we were just talking about actual NPCs, terrain objects, &c. existing and being involved in quests. The very example we were talking about was helping a farmer in his wheat fields, so I don't see why sheep-feedin' is so out of place in the discussion. XD
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#264 Oct 24 2011 at 9:00 AM Rating: Good
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"FilthMcNasty! There isn't a soul in the kingdom that doesn't consider you a hero! You will forever be known as the idiot who spent 3 hours spamming corn to the mildly retarded NPC in Selbina." Yeah, there isn't anything more brave than that...


LMAO. Nice. I have to agree. I'm so glad the days of stuffing an NPC full of Bat Wings are over.
#265 Oct 24 2011 at 10:42 AM Rating: Good
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I think for now I am going to quit and see what happens with the game, I haven't been on for a few months so no point in paying for something that I am not currently playing. I am curious what will happen over the next year so I will continue to keep an eye on the game.
#266 Oct 24 2011 at 11:30 AM Rating: Decent
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
"FilthMcNasty! There isn't a soul in the kingdom that doesn't consider you a hero! You will forever be known as the idiot who spent 3 hours spamming corn to the mildly retarded NPC in Selbina." Yeah, there isn't anything more brave than that...


LMAO. Nice. I have to agree. I'm so glad the days of stuffing an NPC full of Bat Wings are over.


Heh i made a macro trading in my 70+ stacks of corn to get fame. I remember the Windy fame better "500 or so horns from a NPC in Bastok smuggled to a NPC in Windy", with Bastok hitting 1st place once a year i had to work fast..........
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#267PeeteMage, Posted: Oct 24 2011 at 11:42 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Been away from game for about three weeks. Come back to find gear and macros screwed up. Too many changes too soon. I am going to leave it for a year until these people sort themselves and ff14 out. Sad.
#268 Oct 24 2011 at 11:45 AM Rating: Good
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Been away from game for about three weeks. Come back to find gear and macros screwed up. Too many changes too soon. I am going to leave it for a year until these people sort themselves and ff14 out. Sad.


They're improving the game too quickly and you find that sad? Alright, then...
#269 Oct 24 2011 at 11:52 AM Rating: Default
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Please, please keep your tiresome puerile comments to yourself (yawn) you're giving your age away.
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Please, please keep your tiresome puerile comments to yourself (yawn) you're giving your age away.


Please, please keep your tiresome puerile ******** to yourself you're giving your intelligences level away. Changes will be even bigger soon, so if you log in every 3weeks for 5min you'll be in the dark every time.

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#271PeeteMage, Posted: Oct 24 2011 at 12:42 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Plagiarism, now stop trying to include yourself in adult conversation.
#272 Oct 24 2011 at 2:43 PM Rating: Default
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What I'm getting out of the most recent arguing.


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#273 Oct 24 2011 at 2:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Plagiarism, now stop trying to include yourself in adult conversation.


Adult, you?! your comment sounded childish enough to be make any "adult" statements you make laughable. I don't know or much care for you, but for the sake of enlightening you I'll reword what you said and let you read it and maybe after the hundred read it will sink in. This is what your post read.

"Been away for X weeks in game that is constantly changing. Come back things are different and change scares me. I am leaving for a year until changes don't occur as frequently, as i cant adjust to rapid changes"
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#274 Oct 24 2011 at 2:53 PM Rating: Good
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So you insult attack the individual for preferring less frquent changes and some time to adjust to them?

Smiley: dubious


Personal preference is personal preference. Some people actually like to have time to casually enjoy content changes before they're shifted around again. So what?

That said, Pete, there's a lot more than just changes coming down the pipeline, there's more content, some of it specific to JUST this period of time between now and the release of 2.0. I know it's annoying to get constantly jumbled around all the time, but it might be worth it to stick around. Just don't get too attached to the mechanics and have fun.


This constant polarization of the forum base is out of hand. This isn't black or white people. Sometimes people just want to play or enjoy content differently. There's nothing wrong with that. If that's their choice, let them decide.

It's not as if they're going to convince SE to change their pacing of updates on this.

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#275Ostia, Posted: Oct 24 2011 at 5:44 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You are an idiot :)
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Ok I had to look that one up. >.<

I'm not sure the concept of an 'adult' exists in it's traditionally accepted term anymore. At least I haven't found an adult in my current generation that seems to be capable of not exploding on the internet if it's a regular entertainment method.
#278 Nov 07 2011 at 5:36 AM Rating: Decent
I have now been back in 14 for about 3-4 weeks and I have changed my mind about the game. I will definately stay and pay, I love it :D
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I have now been back in 14 for about 3-4 weeks and I have changed my mind about the game. I will definately stay and pay, I love it :D



Something I've noticed... getting into a good LS can not be understated as to the type of experience you'll have in the game. It can literally make or break your experience.

Before when I was playing I was having a miserable time by myself. Then I got into a great LS and the game instantly became 10x more exciting. I think this is something many often don't account for. Just having a good friend to play with can turn your game around 180 degrees.
#280 Nov 07 2011 at 1:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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This isn't black or white people.


Commas: the difference between pulling a truism or pulling a race card.


Edited, Nov 7th 2011 2:57pm by KaneKitty
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#281 Nov 07 2011 at 3:06 PM Rating: Excellent
KaneKitty wrote:
Hyrist wrote:
This isn't black or white people.
Commas: the difference between pulling a truism or pulling a race card.

Didn't notice that at first. heh
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#282 Nov 08 2011 at 12:30 PM Rating: Good
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#283 Nov 08 2011 at 1:01 PM Rating: Default
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Who **** in bowl of serial this morning.... One reason people are staying with XIV is because for me and many others it's fun to do the rat race to cover all the bases from the update and get ready for the next one. I am the person who reads the patch notes at release, and again a month down the road to make sure i have not missed a single thing.
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Who sh*t in bowl of serial this morning....
Calm down, it's not nearly as cereal of an offense as you're making it out to be.

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since I haven't heard of any combo deal with XI, and the idea of slowly crawling towards 50 for no apparent purpose holds no joy for me, I think I'm out until further notice. Will try to log in and arrange my inventory before the pay to play starts but unless something magnificent happens I am done.

Not worth paying for. good luck guys. Will miss my LS mates - will keep up on the changes through the forums and put my 2 cents in but if I am paying for anything it will be XI, and once my crysta stock runs out - I am not even sure of that game.
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#286 Nov 08 2011 at 1:35 PM Rating: Decent
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since I haven't heard of any combo deal with XI, and the idea of slowly crawling towards 50 for no apparent purpose holds no joy for me, I think I'm out until further notice.


Now I'm not trying to get you to stay, just pointing this out. I know it's dated, but it would be hard to believe they wouldn't carry this over through PS3 release at the least.


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#287 Nov 08 2011 at 3:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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I know they used to have it - but word is it doesn't exist anymore. Haven't really heard new confirmation it is returning.

Edited, Nov 8th 2011 1:21pm by Olorinus
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pay to play is gonna need server mergers or this is gonna suck
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SE will NOT merge any servers. Server transfer i can see, but not merger.
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#290 Nov 23 2011 at 11:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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I know they used to have it - but word is it doesn't exist anymore. Haven't really heard new confirmation it is returning.


I don't think it's returning. It was kind of a bait and switch to begin with - when they first announced it (gosh, almost two years back now?), they made it seem like it was going to be a forever kind of deal. Then it was changed to be only for a limited time, which never made sense to me. In the end, it didn't matter anyway, because the game didn't go pay to play until, well, now.

I uninstalled the game today. I know that it's shaping up and some things have been improved, but I really don't believe in my heart that it's ever going to get "there". They have too much good competition, and they still don't seem to be quite in touch with what people were expecting when they saw the name Final Fantasy on the cover. I may check back in another year or so, but at this point I think I'm a little burned out on giving SE chances.
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I uninstalled the game today. I know that it's shaping up and some things have been improved, but I really don't believe in my heart that it's ever going to get "there". They have too much good competition, and they still don't seem to be quite in touch with what people were expecting when they saw the name Final Fantasy on the cover. I may check back in another year or so, but at this point I think I'm a little burned out on giving SE chances.


I am going to give the nerfed new ability system a shot but if it is as horrible as it looks I may just uninstall as well, so I am less tempted to possibly spend money checking out a patch later.

If it feels less horrible than it looks I will probably leave the game on my desktop and buy a month's sub at some point a few months down the line to try out further changes.
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I'm going to stay and pay. I'm still having a good time. Also, I want to see how this whole Seventh Umbral Era thing plays out.

Edited, Nov 23rd 2011 4:01pm by Yelta
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I'm going to stay and pay. I'm still having a good time. Also, I want to see how this whole Seventh Umbral Era thing plays out.


Like cataclysm, the world changes but in this case instead of being from a dragon, it's a meteor ala FFVII.

there i spoiled the story :/
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There is more to a story than how it ends. People still watch the movie Titanic and they already know the boat sinks Smiley: lol
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I'm going to stay and pay. I'm still having a good time. Also, I want to see how this whole Seventh Umbral Era thing plays out.


Like cataclysm, the world changes but in this case instead of being from a dragon, it's a meteor ala FFVII.

there i spoiled the story :/


My money's on Ifrit, Garuda, Leviathan changing the landscape after being brainwashed by Moog's magic. Garuda levels most of the black shroud, changing land and altering rivers, with a terrible storm. Ifrit causes eruptions across Thala, filling the low areas with lava causing a volcano to erupt, burning 1/2 of Ul'dah. Leviathan creates a tsunami that completely sinks LL causing great devastation across the land making LL relocate. While Moog alters the world weather paters with his magic causing rain/snow during clear sky, heat/dust storms during night. And opening the under world gate to allow great NM's to enter the world which if left unchecked, cause further devastation. Each one altering the area were it's spawned in a different way.

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Ostia wrote:
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I'm going to stay and pay. I'm still having a good time. Also, I want to see how this whole Seventh Umbral Era thing plays out.


Like cataclysm, the world changes but in this case instead of being from a dragon, it's a meteor ala FFVII.

there i spoiled the story :/


My money's on Ifrit, Garuda, Leviathan changing the landscape after being brainwashed by Moog's magic. Garuda levels most of the black shroud, changing land and altering rivers, with a terrible storm. Ifrit causes eruptions across Thala, filling the low areas with lava causing a volcano to erupt, burning 1/2 of Ul'dah. Leviathan creates a tsunami that completely sinks LL causing great devastation across the land making LL relocate. While Moog alters the world weather paters with his magic causing rain/snow during clear sky, heat/dust storms during night. And opening the under world gate to allow great NM's to enter the world which if left unchecked, cause further devastation. Each one altering the area were it's spawned in a different way.



Good suggestion right there, but bet is not gonna go that way <.<
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Well Probably out for now I guess.
I enjoyed playing this game. But the game is not in a state to paying for it monthly.
Here's why I don't think paying monthly fee is really worth it.

1. BIG DISAPPOINTMENT ON HIGH EXPECTATION. Don't expect too much on Version 2.0 either. All we have seen is the Concept Arts. Not even actual ingame screenshot.

2. OTHER AWSOME GAMES TO CHOOSE. (Blade&Soul, Diablo3, Lineage Eternal, etc...) We have to wait until October 2012 for Version 2.0. Some major contents(A New Player Community) will be implented after April 2013. Who like to wait until April 2013 and keep make the payments?

3. NOT A GUINEA PIG. Stop testing my limits. SE's experiment on FFXIV is not worth single penny. I hope SE doesn't overthrow the "future of FFXIV" plan.


I encourage FFXIV team's effort. However, I don't think paying monthly fee is really worth it at this point of time.
#298BartelX, Posted: Nov 24 2011 at 7:55 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) False, what we saw was an actual in-game screen capture, which was said in interviews by Yoshida himself. I'm sure there was some pos-production done (like the UI possibly), but for the most part that was actual game footage.
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BartelX wrote:
ilwhana wrote:
1. BIG DISAPPOINTMENT ON HIGH EXPECTATION. Don't expect too much on Version 2.0 either. All we have seen is the Concept Arts. Not even actual ingame screenshot.


False, what we saw was an actual in-game screen capture, which was said in interviews by Yoshida himself. I'm sure there was some pos-production done (like the UI possibly), but for the most part that was actual game footage.


The first image in this part of the roadmap that was released is, just as Ilwhana said, "not an actual in-game screenshot". It's possible that they mapped out the UI overlay on top of some art, but I highly doubt that what is behind the UI display comes from the new graphics engine. Actually I'll go further and say there's no way in **** it is unless you're talking about a different picture.

If it is then I'll eat my shoe, but I'd like to see the interview that he said it was an in-game screen capture. Link please?

Edited, Nov 25th 2011 5:12am by FilthMcNasty
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
BartelX wrote:
ilwhana wrote:
1. BIG DISAPPOINTMENT ON HIGH EXPECTATION. Don't expect too much on Version 2.0 either. All we have seen is the Concept Arts. Not even actual ingame screenshot.


False, what we saw was an actual in-game screen capture, which was said in interviews by Yoshida himself. I'm sure there was some pos-production done (like the UI possibly), but for the most part that was actual game footage.


The first image in this part of the roadmap that was released is, just as Ilwhana said, "not an actual in-game screenshot". It's possible that they mapped out the UI overlay on top of some art, but I highly doubt that what is behind the UI display comes from the new graphics engine. Actually I'll go further and say there's no way in **** it is unless you're talking about a different picture.

If it is then I'll eat my shoe, but I'd like to see the interview that he said it was an in-game screen capture. Link please?

Edited, Nov 25th 2011 5:12am by FilthMcNasty


This one. Ok here's the fact people keep saying "game not worth paying for", to that i have one thing to say. Start of subs till v2.0 you will NOT be paying for a game. If you stay which no one is forcing you to, you will be paying for the privilege to test a product, have your say about it's development, and come v2.0 you will be ahead of the curve. Really it's not that strange of an idea, the company i work for dished out 100's of thousands to do the same with software, just so we can be a step ahead when it hit the market.

This is mentioned very often "OTHER AWSOME GAMES TO CHOOSE. (Blade&Soul, Diablo3, Lineage Eternal, etc...)" unless you are a fan boy of any of these after 2months you'll be clicking the end sub any way. Using a rough estimate of when said games are launching with comparison to V2.0. V2.0 will come out quite close to the mark were said game have lost the hype factor, and many subs along side. If SE can build the hype needed for v2.0 and make it last. It can easily become a success.

SE has a long way to go yet, that's is true. And very clear, and if Yoshi can pull this off. It will be an achievement in it's right.
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