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#1 Oct 14 2011 at 7:52 AM Rating: Decent
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The game has a bright future as most of us expected.

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Compelling argument and well thought out reasons.
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Compelling argument and well thought out reasons.



I did a years worth of research and decided it was time to start off with a well thought out statement that we could all embrace. Thank you for the support. :D
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Compelling argument and well thought out reasons.


I was honestly on the fence until I got to "boo boo" - he had me there.
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Compelling argument and well thought out reasons.


I was honestly on the fence until I got to "boo boo" - he had me there.



I'm happy that my closing argument was enough to persuade you into agreement. We must rally together to defeat the black knights on the ZAM forums! :D
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As much as I support the game, if it weren't for the Black Knights, the game wouldn't be getting changed at all. I have them to thank for that.
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#7 Oct 14 2011 at 8:37 AM Rating: Good
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As much as I support the game, if it weren't for the Black Knights, the game wouldn't be getting changed at all. I have them to thank for that.


I don't know how that works. Because of the people who can't be satisfied the game is what it is?

Improvement works off of identifying what works and what doesn't work. Positive feedback is just as important as negative feedback. In the beginning everyone was unhappy, At that point you couldn't tell the haters from the people who were honestly mortified that they called in a released product.

Today, there are now posts about strategy, about how do I? There are people who are genuinely interested in the game, and are having fun, then there are the alleged haters and fanboys. Both are equally damaging to the health and the direction of the game. And the ironic part is, the haters are fanboys just the same. Both extremes of the same person. One that is so dissatisfied with the game it will never measure up, and those who would consider anything with a Final Fantasy tag a great game, if you could just see past...

While this thread has much troll potential, I think it also points out that people who see the good, and the bad are out here, and while still don't like things about the game, are open about admitting that there are things that are to be liked.

But then again...

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#8 Oct 14 2011 at 8:43 AM Rating: Good
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As much as I support the game, if it weren't for the Black Knights, the game wouldn't be getting changed at all. I have them to thank for that.


There's a difference between raging haters and people who were giving honest, even if frustrated, feedback in a somewhat constructive fashion.

I work in customer service for an ISP. My job is to call back people who really, really do NOT like our company. So I get to listen to haters all day: but when I get someone who is HONESTLY frustrated with service and I tell them the reason I am communicating with them is so we can fix the problems our company has - their demeanour is usually genuine thankfulness and appreciation.

That being said we do take feedback from raging customers as well but it's far more benefecial to everyone when things are clear cut, concise and not emotionally charged rants.

And ya know - there's a massive difference between folks who are mad about their online game and customers who lost legitimate business/money/etc from being out of service (we deal with Business only) for a time.

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Another thing I want to add is that even our most angry customers will usually apologize for being so upset with me/us. And they usually DO have a legitimate reason to be really angry (like we accidently disconnected them or something) - that's all. Some of the most angry customers usually end up being the most empathetic and apologetic once we sort things out.

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I hope it does work and is as good as it all looks but from a lot of experience with the people that are working on FFXIV I can tell you they are wonderous at making things sound awesome. Just cause the design stuff looks good does not follow the end result will be, they had 6 years and messed up and you think they can rebuild the game (including a new engine) and do it properly in 1?

As I said I hope they do (and if they do i'll be playing it) but lets not get carried away over some drawings and nice plans.
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I hope it does work and is as good as it all looks but from a lot of experience with the people that are working on FFXIV I can tell you they are wonderous at making things sound awesome. Just cause the design stuff looks good does not follow the end result will be, they had 6 years and messed up and you think they can rebuild the game (including a new engine) and do it properly in 1?

As I said I hope they do (and if they do i'll be playing it) but lets not get carried away over some drawings and nice plans.



I feel like they had pizza parties and drank all day for the first 4 years of development and then were like "oh crap, we have to make a game"... lol
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I really hope you enjoy the future.

For me, I can't help but be pessimistic. New players have no incentive to play this game until late 2012, and rightly so. Returning players who bought the game on release will share the same stance now, because of the subscription being added again.

Sad as it may be, this game's population will stagnate in a big way with the sub fee, and the stigma surrounding it won't help.

I wish you well, Kings of a barren land. May your adventures through the wasteland be bountiful.
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I really hope you enjoy the future.

For me, I can't help but be pessimistic. New players have no incentive to play this game until late 2012, and rightly so. Returning players who bought the game on release will share the same stance now, because of the subscription being added again.

Sad as it may be, this game's population will stagnate in a big way with the sub fee, and the stigma surrounding it won't help.

I wish you well, Kings of a barren land. May your adventures through the wasteland be bountiful.


http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/27181-Pay-to-Play-Subscription-Cast-your-votes%21

So far its 2:1 split. Yes some people will drop the game. Though some others will join the game. Some others will return. I predict it remaining almost the way it is and slowly rebuild the population more and more with each coming patch.

What's barren? The environments look really good just very copy pasta'd and there are tons of mobs everywhere, so maybe you can elaborate on this.

The benefit to sticking around is watching the game grow, improving your character so when the new stuff comes out you can jump right into it. They didn't officially say anything but I imagine a level cap increase will come with the 2.0 release. That makes sense since it will be 2 years after release... so all of you who think the game is "horrible" now and quit will be further from the 'cool' new endgame stuff.

I'd just like to hear your reasons for saying these things other than "this game sucks" "bad game" "wow clone" etc... give some justification. I know the games not perfect (far from it) but what are your actual reasons. Personally I'm having fun and have a good group of people I play with, so it's great.
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I really hope you enjoy the future.

For me, I can't help but be pessimistic. New players have no incentive to play this game until late 2012, and rightly so. Returning players who bought the game on release will share the same stance now, because of the subscription being added again.

Sad as it may be, this game's population will stagnate in a big way with the sub fee, and the stigma surrounding it won't help.

I wish you well, Kings of a barren land. May your adventures through the wasteland be bountiful.


http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/27181-Pay-to-Play-Subscription-Cast-your-votes%21

So far its 2:1 split. Yes some people will drop the game. Though some others will join the game. Some others will return. I predict it remaining almost the way it is and slowly rebuild the population more and more with each coming patch.

What's barren? The environments look really good just very copy pasta'd and there are tons of mobs everywhere, so maybe you can elaborate on this.

The benefit to sticking around is watching the game grow, improving your character so when the new stuff comes out you can jump right into it. They didn't officially say anything but I imagine a level cap increase will come with the 2.0 release. That makes sense since it will be 2 years after release... so all of you who think the game is "horrible" now and quit will be further from the 'cool' new endgame stuff.

I'd just like to hear your reasons for saying these things other than "this game sucks" "bad game" "wow clone" etc... give some justification. I know the games not perfect (far from it) but what are your actual reasons. Personally I'm having fun and have a good group of people I play with, so it's great.



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So of current population 67% stay. Is that a good thing? for every three people you see in game 1 will quit. I dont know if thats something to be happy about.

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There are very few actual lowbies right now, with the majority of the low levels being people leveling other classes, the VAST majority of them Japanese players.

It's simple, really. New players should not have to work hard to find a group of people to play with. If they do, most of them will be turned off really quickly. This game doesn't offer compelling gameplay, quite the opposite, actually.

This is not the MMORPG world of the past, where you had a small list of choices. A year is a very long time to wait,especially in a community that decides what they like in less than a week.
#15 Oct 14 2011 at 9:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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So of current population 67% stay. Is that a good thing?


Well it's impossible to predict real numbers, threads like that will be nothing other then inaccurate.

The majority of the playerbase doesn't visit forums. Some of them may not even find out about this stuff unless someone in game tells them or they suddenly find out they have to pay.

Regardless, the amount that stay or go is irrelevent. The Development Team knows people will stop playing. Of course they don't want that to happen. If they could extend the free subscriptions further or string it along until 2.0 - why wouldn't they?

The fact is they probably cannot. Regardless of how the world feels about FF/SE and FFXIV - they're probably at the point where they need to start getting money. They probably had this date forecasted for a long time based on the budgeting.

What the 67% does show however - is that 67% of those people participating in the poll are happy enough to pay for the game. The other 33% probably have wildly different reasons for not paying. You have to ask: How many people were just playing the free ride from a buddy pass? How many people are young and don't have a CC and their parents wont let them do it? How many people truthfully cannot afford it? How many people are upset that they have to pay a subscription fee based on how they 'feel' about the game? How many people are just trolling and complaining but WILL actually pay the fee?

Too many variables. Losing population is never good for business but there will be no business at all if they close down shop because they're broke.
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HEY TONY!!!! Long time no see :D

I hear what you're saying, but keep in mind that the people who use the forums are the vocal minority and more people are just playing the game.

I think it's going to be more around 80% who stay... so 1 out of 5 people leave. That's not too bad but I agree some will leave, some will join, some will return, more will leave, more will come.. it's going to be a cycle.

Hope you come back sometime :D
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So of current population 67% stay. Is that a good thing?


Well it's impossible to predict real numbers, threads like that will be nothing other then inaccurate.

The majority of the playerbase doesn't visit forums. Some of them may not even find out about this stuff unless someone in game tells them or they suddenly find out they have to pay.

Regardless, the amount that stay or go is irrelevent. The Development Team knows people will stop playing. Of course they don't want that to happen. If they could extend the free subscriptions further or string it along until 2.0 - why wouldn't they?

The fact is they probably cannot. Regardless of how the world feels about FF/SE and FFXIV - they're probably at the point where they need to start getting money. They probably had this date forecasted for a long time based on the budgeting.

What the 67% does show however - is that 67% of those people participating in the poll are happy enough to pay for the game. The other 33% probably have wildly different reasons for not paying. You have to ask: How many people were just playing the free ride from a buddy pass? How many people are young and don't have a CC and their parents wont let them do it? How many people truthfully cannot afford it? How many people are upset that they have to pay a subscription fee based on how they 'feel' about the game? How many people are just trolling and complaining but WILL actually pay the fee?

Too many variables. Losing population is never good for business but there will be no business at all if they close down shop because they're broke.


Server costs and server maintenance is negligible and covered EASILY by the purchase of a game, I believe Arenanet's Guild Wars has proven that with open statements to their shareholders.

Unfortunately, SE sunk a phenomenal initial investment into all the wrong things for FF14, and are being pushed to recoup those losses.
Being the capitalist pig I am, I don't deem their product to be worth anything more than the initial purchase, and therefore would rather let it die out completely than feed it further.

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So of current population 67% stay. Is that a good thing? for every three people you see in game 1 will quit. I dont know if thats something to be happy about.


It wouldn't be nearly that drastic. My bet is that most of the people who voted "no" don't actively play the game. Maybe they log in once a week or a handful of times per month, but they're not really part of the active playerbase.

In other words, when those people leave (opt to not renew service), I don't think we'll really notice it too much in terms of the number of players we see running around in Eorzea.
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So of current population 67% stay. Is that a good thing? for every three people you see in game 1 will quit. I dont know if thats something to be happy about.


It wouldn't be nearly that drastic. My bet is that most of the people who voted "no" don't actively play the game. Maybe they log in once a week or a handful of times per month, but they're not really part of the active playerbase.

In other words, when those people leave (opt to not renew service), I don't think we'll really notice it too much in terms of the number of players we see running around in Eorzea.


QFT, people voting to quit are the people the usually just clutter a LS and log like what 1-2 times a month. I would clearly say more then 40% of people are like that currently, so with them holding a char on not make no difference when you draw the end line.
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#20 Oct 14 2011 at 10:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Black Knights aren't ALWAYS bad people.
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Black Knights aren't ALWAYS bad people.


There is a difference between a Black Knight and someone who is reporting problems, things that need to be improved, someone who doesn't like the game, etc..

In my mind and from my opinion a Black Knight is a Doomsday prophet. They are the ones that say "this game is horrible, it's going to be shut down", "game won't last it sucks", continually posting that the game is "trash" in forums yet they don't play it. There are plenty of them on ZAM alone. They make unjustified comments with no facts to back them up.

Someone can not like the game and express there dislike w/o being a Black Knight. Just like White Knights who pretend the game is perfect and nothing is wrong with it. You can still enjoy the game and say there are problems and things need to be fixed, make suggestions, and complain. ****, people might call me a white knight but I complain just as much as anyone else and give thanks and gratitude when it's due.

Edited, Oct 14th 2011 12:33pm by RemVye
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Well, think of the billing system as if when you are cleaning your facebook friendlist. All the leeches and unwanted people are gonna be gone, so we will have a cleaner space.
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At first I was like :/ and then I was like :D

Seriously though 2013 is miles away.

Heck SE just debuted a new graphics engine. FFXIII-3 will be out and rock-me-like a Herman Cain, might be our (the USAs) next president.

Still hatin' since 2009.
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As much as I support the game, if it weren't for the Black Knights, the game wouldn't be getting changed at all. I have them to thank for that.


QFT

If people hadn't spoken up about how bad this game was you wouldn't have seen things like 'Letter from the Producer', the new and improved 'roadmap' for XIV and probably wouldn't have official forums with developer feedback.
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I would clearly say more then 40% of people are like that currently, so with them holding a char on not make no difference when you draw the end line.

90% is quite a bit more than 40%, yes. 9/10 people who purchased this game are not actively logging in to play XIV.

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Well, think of the billing system as if when you are cleaning your facebook friendlist. All the leeches and unwanted people are gonna be gone, so we will have a cleaner space.

Could you clarify this statement for me please? Leeches and unwanted people? What exactly qualifies you for that?

This game needs more people, not less. You are about to find out the hard way why that is unless you are content grinding out leves solo.
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As much as I support the game, if it weren't for the Black Knights, the game wouldn't be getting changed at all. I have them to thank for that.


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The game has a bright future as most of us expected.


It really doesn't, what they are actually doing is building a brand new game using the same world and concepts and some recycled assets and slapping "FFXIV" on it. That is an act of desperation born from the realization that the current FFXIV is completely unsalvageable.

Even if they remake it and call it FFXIV 2.0 the bad publicity from FFXIV will follow it like a spectral wolf.

If this were any other company they would have pulled the plug six months ago rather than continuing to throw money at it because it's bad business practice to keep throwing good money after bad on project that has good chance of failing anyway. It's only stubborn pride that's keeping it alive. They are taking a huge gamble with this, one that any sensible company would not take.

Also by 2013 the PS3 will be about a year away from the next console update cycle.

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I feel like they had pizza parties and drank all day for the first 4 years of development and then were like "oh crap, we have to make a game"... lol


No they spend those 4 years trying to learn how to program a modern 3D graphics engine while not being able to keep up with the curve. Which is why Crystal Tools has a circa 2006 feature set but 2010 hardware requirements (no global shadows, SSAO tacked on over precalculated lightmaps, SE, really? REALLY?) Finally they just gave up and bought out a western company for their codebase (IP was only part of why they bought Eidos, they also wanted access to their code and marketing expertise)


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At first I was like :/ and then I was like :D

Seriously though 2013 is miles away.

Heck SE just debuted a new graphics engine. FFXIII-3 will be out and rock-me-like a Herman Cain, might be our (the USAs) next president.

Still hatin' since 2009.


And it's based on Eidos's in-house code not anything SE made.
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UltKnightGrover wrote:
As much as I support the game, if it weren't for the Black Knights, the game wouldn't be getting changed at all. I have them to thank for that.


QFT

If people hadn't spoken up about how bad this game was you wouldn't have seen things like 'Letter from the Producer', the new and improved 'roadmap' for XIV and probably wouldn't have official forums with developer feedback.
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I would clearly say more then 40% of people are like that currently, so with them holding a char on not make no difference when you draw the end line.

90% is quite a bit more than 40%, yes. 9/10 people who purchased this game are not actively logging in to play XIV.

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Well, think of the billing system as if when you are cleaning your facebook friendlist. All the leeches and unwanted people are gonna be gone, so we will have a cleaner space.

Could you clarify this statement for me please? Leeches and unwanted people? What exactly qualifies you for that?

This game needs more people, not less. You are about to find out the hard way why that is unless you are content grinding out leves solo.




I didnt say what you have me quoted as saying.
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So of current population 67% stay. Is that a good thing? for every three people you see in game 1 will quit. I dont know if thats something to be happy about.


Depends on the 33% that quit. There are quite a few people on Palamecia that a lot of players wouldn't miss. Probably not that lucky though. lol
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#30 Oct 16 2011 at 3:06 PM Rating: Excellent
I think they're gonna lose more than 33%. Some of my friends play on a consistent basis, do enjoy it, but said they'd never pay for it in this state. It's a good game right now cause it's free. Also, the poll here vs the poll on the official forums is slightly different, it's almost a 50/50 split here.

Other issue on the FFXIV forums, if you haven't played in X amount of time you aren't even allowed to post there, and I think it's only like, 2 weeks? So ya, you're getting feedback from the majority who still play. Overall though, if people enjoy this and want to pay, go for it, and if you don't enjoy it, then don't pay for it. Like others said on the official forums, Square threw together a few PDF files with nice art and couple game shots and everyone's in awww. It clearly doesn't take much to impress people anymore. I'll personally wait until 2.0 is out and up cause quite frankly, they f*cked the dog on 1.0 big time and they might just do it again.
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So of current population 67% stay. Is that a good thing? for every three people you see in game 1 will quit. I dont know if thats something to be happy about.


Depends on the 33% that quit. There are quite a few people on Palamecia that a lot of players wouldn't miss. Probably not that lucky though. lol


I think it is going to have a bigger impact considering that of those XX% that leave, more people are going to follow them simply because they are friends or linkshell mates. Many people who left XI did so because their friends were also leaving. It isn't uncommon for people who are friends to leave a game as a group and migrate to another game. Many players in XIV came to the game together with previous LS mates from XI. When sweater, GW2 and other MMOs start releasing I'm sure we'll see people leaving in groups rather than just a few sporadic players here and there.


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#32 Oct 17 2011 at 12:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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The game has a bright future as most of us expected.

Nahnah nah nah boo boo, stick your face in doo doo.

While I sense some sarcasm from this, it does remind me of a familiar tune...

Alpha: "It's only alpha, it'll get better later."
Closed Beta: "It's only closed beta, SE said we're only experiencing 10% of the game right now."
Open Beta: "It's only open beta, there will be a golden patch at release."
Release: "It only just released, give it time."
3 months later: "Tanaka is gone, Yoshi-P will save this game!"
9 months later, 1-year anniversary: "The game has a bright future as most of us expected."

It only goes so far.
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Staying the course on a failed project is bad business. That's why game companies will drop a failing project rather than trying to "turn it around". You usually end up throwing away a pile of money on a product that turns out bad anyway.

There is another example of a game that got remade from the ground up multiple times when the company lost perspective because it thought the project was "too big to fail". You might want to take a look at Duke Nukem Forever.



Edited, Oct 17th 2011 4:26am by Lobivopis
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
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While I sense some sarcasm from this, it does remind me of a familiar tune...

Alpha: "It's only alpha, it'll get better later."
Closed Beta: "It's only closed beta, SE said we're only experiencing 10% of the game right now."
Open Beta: "It's only open beta, there will be a golden patch at release."
Release: "It only just released, give it time."
3 months later: "Tanaka is gone, Yoshi-P will save this game!"
9 months later, 1-year anniversary: "The game has a bright future as most of us expected."

It only goes so far.


You sir, seriously... SERIOUSLY underestimate the faith of the fanboy.

When Yoshi P released the details about making events for riding the ferry all the forum fanboys asked why he would take the ferry when he can walk on water >_>
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RemVye wrote:
The game has a bright future as most of us expected.

Nahnah nah nah boo boo, stick your face in doo doo.

While I sense some sarcasm from this, it does remind me of a familiar tune...

Alpha: "It's only alpha, it'll get better later."
Closed Beta: "It's only closed beta, SE said we're only experiencing 10% of the game right now."
Open Beta: "It's only open beta, there will be a golden patch at release."
Release: "It only just released, give it time."
3 months later: "Tanaka is gone, Yoshi-P will save this game!"
9 months later, 1-year anniversary: "The game has a bright future as most of us expected."

It only goes so far.
"Everything will be fixed by 2.0!"
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.
Take the hint guys, please take the hint.
gbaji wrote:
I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
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