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FFXIV will be the best Console MMO of all time. Yes?Follow

#1 Oct 17 2011 at 11:27 AM Rating: Decent
The choices currently for console MMO's are slim.

You have a few that don't really go in the MMO catagory, Champions Online (360), Phantasy Star Universe (360) and perhaps Sacred 2 (360). And then there is, of course, FFXI (on 360 and PS2). I don't want to simply compare FFXI and FFXIV here, but rather to discuss console MMOs and the future.

To my knowledge, no more MMO's will be coming for 360, unless you count PSU-2, or games with similar online co-op. But these aren't really MMOs, are they? Star Wars: The Old Republic has no plans to go to console. I'm curious to see if Blizzard will try to reach consoles with it's upcoming Titan MMO. But for now, it's safe to say that there are no major MMO's coming to any console in the forseeable future. Anyone know of one?

So when FFXIV ver2.0 hits PS3, I expect that there will be a huge jump in players for some time. There is nothing at all competing with FFXIV in the console MMO market.

People that want to play an MMO on console, with updated content, expansions, new maps etc. will at least try FFXIV. I'm sure that the PS3 release will be the deciding factor for the future of FFXIV. With the clear lack of compitition on consoles, and the incredible scope of the chagnes coming for Ver 2.0, it seems to me that FFXIV will be the very best console MMO available thus far, and possibly for some time to come.

#2 Oct 17 2011 at 11:41 AM Rating: Decent
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It has a much better chance on console, 360 MMOs are pretty much dead until MS changes their external networking policies.

Ultimately it depends on what Yoshi's team can pull off.

So, does it have the potential for that title? Yes.

Do I think it will net that achievement? I honestly think it's too early to even speculate.
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#3 Oct 17 2011 at 11:52 AM Rating: Decent
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FFXI is still going to be better. Worry about answering this question in 18 months when it's actually relevant and XIV is available on ps3.
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#4 Oct 17 2011 at 11:53 AM Rating: Good
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I cautiously agree.
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I want to see some gameplay trailers on YouTube of 2.0 before I agree.
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#6 Oct 17 2011 at 12:25 PM Rating: Good
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Blade and Soul has a PS3/360 release scheduled.

Not sure when we'll see it, and I have no idea how fun it is, but it could be a very strong offering.
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#7 Oct 17 2011 at 12:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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I lol'd how many console MMOs are there? like 3 maybe 4?
#8 Oct 17 2011 at 12:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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SmashingtonWho wrote:
So when FFXIV ver2.0 hits PS3, I expect that there will be a huge jump in players for some time. There is nothing at all competing with FFXIV in the console MMO market.

People that want to play an MMO on console, with updated content, expansions, new maps etc. will at least try FFXIV. I'm sure that the PS3 release will be the deciding factor for the future of FFXIV. With the clear lack of compitition on consoles, and the incredible scope of the chagnes coming for Ver 2.0, it seems to me that FFXIV will be the very best console MMO available thus far, and possibly for some time to come.
Keep in mind that there are reasons why MMOs aren't typically made for consoles, and those reasons form a self-enforcing cycle (developers don't usually target consoles for MMOs, there isn't much of a console MMO audience, therefore there's even more reason for developers to not target consoles for MMOs). You're the smartest kid on the short bus, congratulations. How important of an achievement is that, though?

Plus I can't stress enough that closed beta testing isn't even planned to start for a year. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills because I need to remind people not to declare FFXIV on PS3 the best console MMO ever long before it even exists. At least wait for some actual ps3 gameplay videos before making the call.

PSU had a lot of hype going into it as well (at least going from my friends who were talking about it prior to release), and it fell flat on release with those same people quitting out of disappointment. ****, anyone who has played FFXIV should know better than to assume greatness from the ps3 release before it's available to play. How many times do you have to say a derivation of the phrase "But it's just <current life cycle phase>, <next life cycle phase> will be so much better" before you at least just start reserving judgment?



Edited, Oct 17th 2011 1:50pm by bsphil
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#9 Oct 17 2011 at 12:44 PM Rating: Good
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#10 Oct 17 2011 at 12:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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I feel like I'm taking crazy pills because I need to remind people not to declare FFXIV on PS3 the best console MMO ever long before it even exists. At least wait for some actual ps3 gameplay videos before making the call.
Remember when people were going on about how there would be absolutely no levels in FFXIV? Good times, good times.
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#11 Oct 17 2011 at 1:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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That's a positive way of looking at it! In theory yes, if 2.0 is awesome and makes it to PS3; I do believe it will be considered the best console MMO. FFXI was pretty good though :/
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#12 Oct 17 2011 at 1:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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SmashingtonWho wrote:
The choices currently for console MMO's are slim.

You have a few that don't really go in the MMO catagory, Champions Online (360), Phantasy Star Universe (360) and perhaps Sacred 2 (360). And then there is, of course, FFXI (on 360 and PS2). I don't want to simply compare FFXI and FFXIV here, but rather to discuss console MMOs and the future.

To my knowledge, no more MMO's will be coming for 360, unless you count PSU-2, or games with similar online co-op. But these aren't really MMOs, are they? Star Wars: The Old Republic has no plans to go to console. I'm curious to see if Blizzard will try to reach consoles with it's upcoming Titan MMO. But for now, it's safe to say that there are no major MMO's coming to any console in the forseeable future. Anyone know of one?

So when FFXIV ver2.0 hits PS3, I expect that there will be a huge jump in players for some time. There is nothing at all competing with FFXIV in the console MMO market.

People that want to play an MMO on console, with updated content, expansions, new maps etc. will at least try FFXIV. I'm sure that the PS3 release will be the deciding factor for the future of FFXIV. With the clear lack of compitition on consoles, and the incredible scope of the chagnes coming for Ver 2.0, it seems to me that FFXIV will be the very best console MMO available thus far, and possibly for some time to come.



I think there's a couple of problems with people putting too much hope into the PS3 release. First, you're targeting an audience that chose a system with free online service; a lot of these people will not be interested signing up for a monthly subscription fee, especially with the convoluted system SE has in place. Second, PSN sucks. It is not as well developed as Microsoft's Xbox Live service, and earlier in the year it was hacked and the information of millions of users was jeopardized.

Then you have the fumbles made on SE's part- the game will be two years old with a dwindling playerbase, terrible reviews from the initial release, and an inability to capture the attention of the American market. How many times have you seen a person playing World of Warcraft in a movie or television show? I'm sure we've all see those B-list celebrity commercials also. Each time you see that, it's there because Blizzard paid lots of money to cram it down your throat. SE doesn't even try.

I think at best you're going to hope to reach the few people who couldn't afford new computers to play the PC release, and the hardcore players who are looking to dual or triple box. I'm one of the former, a longtime FFXI player but dubious about the future of this game.
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#13 Oct 17 2011 at 1:53 PM Rating: Good
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Steam is coming to PS3, so PSN won't be an issue.
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#14 Oct 17 2011 at 2:05 PM Rating: Good
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Grockle wrote:
Steam is coming to PS3, so PSN won't be an issue.


Steam is on PS3...

360 is the only source of concern for devs who want to utilize external methods. Thus Steam not on 360, most MMOs cancelling 360 release, etc... I understand why M$ is scared of allowing outside connection, but it's already been proven that if someone wants to annhilate your network, they will do so whether it's closed or not.
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#15 Oct 17 2011 at 2:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Perrin, ****** Superhero wrote:
if someone wants to annhilate your network, they will do so whether it's closed or not.


And if some one wants to ignore spellcheck they will do so... >.<
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#16 Oct 17 2011 at 3:00 PM Rating: Decent
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It will get pushed back, count on it. There is no way in **** they can develop a completely new MMO from the ground up in one year. Last time took them almost 7 years with 5 of that dedicated to just the graphics engine. 12 months to develop a ready for prime time MMO from the ground up starting from nothing is bizarro world crazy talk, they can't do it.

Edited, Oct 17th 2011 6:03pm by Lobivopis
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#17 Oct 17 2011 at 3:01 PM Rating: Good
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Lobivopis wrote:
It will get pushed back, count on it. There is no way in **** they can develop a completely new MMO from the ground up in one year. Last time took them 5 years. 2 to 2.5 years maybe, but no way is it getting done in 12 months.


Unless the reason they have taken so long to do things thus far, is that they've been desinging the feature consecutively on 2 engines.
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#18 Oct 17 2011 at 3:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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Are we comparing the games as they are currently, or how they were for their time. I don't think FFXIV will ever be as great as FFXI was 5 years ago. But these are different times, so just comparing them as they are now FFXIV 2.0 may be superior to FFXI. It came out a decade later, it sure better be.
#19 Oct 17 2011 at 3:43 PM Rating: Good
If they stop derping about and put in a **** market system its possible.
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#20 Oct 17 2011 at 5:02 PM Rating: Default
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id wait to see what they do to the game to get it to work on the ps3 before hand. Or if they're target is to introduce the new (add on hardware) feature to the ps3 console. Yes sir just plug this here memory, and this this improved speed in the back and you can play the game as if it was the high end pc it was made for.

Either way they're still working on the game itself. It will probably be some time before it sees the disc tray of a console.
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SmashingtonWho wrote:
To my knowledge, no more MMO's will be coming for 360, unless you count PSU-2, or games with similar online co-op. But these aren't really MMOs, are they? Star Wars: The Old Republic has no plans to go to console. I'm curious to see if Blizzard will try to reach consoles with it's upcoming Titan MMO. But for now, it's safe to say that there are no major MMO's coming to any console in the forseeable future. Anyone know of one?


There is, Warhammer 40k Dark Millenium Online will be cross-platforming. The original Shoulderpads! Dakka Dakka Dakka! And they got Blood F**king God Khorne this time not sissy Tzeentch like fail WAR >_>
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SmashingtonWho wrote:
To my knowledge, no more MMO's will be coming for 360, unless you count PSU-2, or games with similar online co-op. But these aren't really MMOs, are they? Star Wars: The Old Republic has no plans to go to console. I'm curious to see if Blizzard will try to reach consoles with it's upcoming Titan MMO. But for now, it's safe to say that there are no major MMO's coming to any console in the forseeable future. Anyone know of one?


There is, Warhammer 40k Dark Millenium Online will be cross-platforming. The original Shoulderpads! Dakka Dakka Dakka! And they got Blood F**king God Khorne this time not sissy Tzeentch like fail WAR >_>


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Edited, Oct 17th 2011 10:01pm by Lobivopis
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#23 Oct 17 2011 at 10:55 PM Rating: Default
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SmashingtonWho wrote:
The choices currently for console MMO's are slim.

You have a few that don't really go in the MMO catagory, Champions Online (360), Phantasy Star Universe (360) and perhaps Sacred 2 (360). And then there is, of course, FFXI (on 360 and PS2). I don't want to simply compare FFXI and FFXIV here, but rather to discuss console MMOs and the future.

To my knowledge, no more MMO's will be coming for 360, unless you count PSU-2, or games with similar online co-op. But these aren't really MMOs, are they? Star Wars: The Old Republic has no plans to go to console. I'm curious to see if Blizzard will try to reach consoles with it's upcoming Titan MMO. But for now, it's safe to say that there are no major MMO's coming to any console in the forseeable future. Anyone know of one?

So when FFXIV ver2.0 hits PS3, I expect that there will be a huge jump in players for some time. There is nothing at all competing with FFXIV in the console MMO market.

People that want to play an MMO on console, with updated content, expansions, new maps etc. will at least try FFXIV. I'm sure that the PS3 release will be the deciding factor for the future of FFXIV. With the clear lack of compitition on consoles, and the incredible scope of the chagnes coming for Ver 2.0, it seems to me that FFXIV will be the very best console MMO available thus far, and possibly for some time to come.




Nope, not really, FFXI Came out in the PS2 and PC and console subs combined never made it past 500K :/

500k is a joke in MMO subs numbers, also do take in consideration, that by that time, a lot of MMO's will be out, and also that SE likes to put huge stupid dumb timesinks in their game, console gamers are casual as casual come.
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Nope, not really, FFXI Came out in the PS2 and PC and console subs combined never made it past 500K :/


Before WoW came out 500k was considered amazing. The only two MMO's to have achieved that were Everquest and FFXI.

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500k is a joke in MMO subs numbers, also do take in consideration, that by that time, a lot of MMO's will be out, and also that SE likes to put huge stupid dumb timesinks in their game, console gamers are casual as casual come.


500k is good for a game that's is not WoW, nobody gets even close to WoW's subscription numbers. FFXI is still in the top 10 most populous MMOs.


Edited, Oct 18th 2011 2:08am by Lobivopis
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#25 Oct 18 2011 at 12:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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PURGE THE MUTANT! BURN THE HERETIC! KILL THE ALIEN!


WRONG QUOTE! HERESY! EXTERMINATUS!

500k sub is good. THQ/Vigil/part Relic are looking at 1m sub for WH40k DMO, so I think 1m is impressive in competitive market nowadays. Unlike FFXIV, DMO will strive to have a UI that looks nothing like MMORPG, with smooth transition between ranged and melee (left mouse for dakka, right mouse for choppa), doesn't have typical quest, gigantic Mount (TITAAAAAAAN) and HUEG shoulderpads (bigger than WoW) and lots of Dakka.

Edited, Oct 18th 2011 2:51am by Khornette
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#26 Oct 18 2011 at 1:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ostia wrote:
Nope, not really, FFXI Came out in the PS2 and PC and console subs combined never made it past 500K :/
From what I recall, FFXI peaked at about 650k subs. That was an excellent number for the time.
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Lobivopis wrote:
Ostia wrote:



Nope, not really, FFXI Came out in the PS2 and PC and console subs combined never made it past 500K :/


Before WoW came out 500k was considered amazing. The only two MMO's to have achieved that were Everquest and FFXI.

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500k is a joke in MMO subs numbers, also do take in consideration, that by that time, a lot of MMO's will be out, and also that SE likes to put huge stupid dumb timesinks in their game, console gamers are casual as casual come.


500k is good for a game that's is not WoW, nobody gets even close to WoW's subscription numbers. FFXI is still in the top 10 most populous MMOs.


Edited, Oct 18th 2011 2:08am by Lobivopis


Yes 500K was good in the 1998-2001 era, when MMO'S dint require a multi million budget, and the market was new, but this is 2011, where any AAA MMO cost at least 50 million to develop, for example wow is estimated to have cost around 100-120 millions, and SWTOR is estimated to be around 150 million, so yeah if SWOTOR launches and only gets 500K guess whos out of the market ?

Now dont get me wrong, FFXI getting and maintaining 500k is awesome, props to SE for that, but any MMO comming out to the market that does not brakes 1mil boxes sold is seen as a failure, facts are facts look at FFXIV
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Skyrim will probably win


I stopped reading right there. You either don't know anything about Skyrim or what an MMO is. ****, you must not even know what "online" means.
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Lobivopis wrote:
Ostia wrote:



Nope, not really, FFXI Came out in the PS2 and PC and console subs combined never made it past 500K :/


Before WoW came out 500k was considered amazing. The only two MMO's to have achieved that were Everquest and FFXI.

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500k is a joke in MMO subs numbers, also do take in consideration, that by that time, a lot of MMO's will be out, and also that SE likes to put huge stupid dumb timesinks in their game, console gamers are casual as casual come.


500k is good for a game that's is not WoW, nobody gets even close to WoW's subscription numbers. FFXI is still in the top 10 most populous MMOs.


Edited, Oct 18th 2011 2:08am by Lobivopis


What about Lineage 2? Runescape?
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SinDariusDaishiGajo wrote:
Lobivopis wrote:
Ostia wrote:



Nope, not really, FFXI Came out in the PS2 and PC and console subs combined never made it past 500K :/


Before WoW came out 500k was considered amazing. The only two MMO's to have achieved that were Everquest and FFXI.

Quote:
500k is a joke in MMO subs numbers, also do take in consideration, that by that time, a lot of MMO's will be out, and also that SE likes to put huge stupid dumb timesinks in their game, console gamers are casual as casual come.


500k is good for a game that's is not WoW, nobody gets even close to WoW's subscription numbers. FFXI is still in the top 10 most populous MMOs.


Edited, Oct 18th 2011 2:08am by Lobivopis


What about Lineage 2? Runescape?

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