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#1 Oct 21 2011 at 10:34 PM Rating: Good
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I know BG already posted their win video, (mad props to them!) but I wanted to share our speed run video to help anyone struggling with the fight/speed run.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F85vb-jeD6c

Enjoy and thanks

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#2 Oct 22 2011 at 2:26 AM Rating: Default
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Kinda disappointing you couldn't clear with your original comp. I guess I can't blame you guys for running the same comp you saw at BG, but... actually yeah. Shame on you. Uh, I mean congrats.
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#3 Oct 22 2011 at 7:16 AM Rating: Good
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Kinda disappointing you couldn't clear with your original comp. I guess I can't blame you guys for running the same comp you saw at BG, but... actually yeah. Shame on you. Uh, I mean congrats.


How many times have you beat Ifrit?



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#4 Oct 22 2011 at 10:10 AM Rating: Decent
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Is this speed run really all that impressive at this point in time? I clear Ifrit in less than 10 minutes with the majority of pickup groups I join.

Lol.
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There isn't much FFXIV footage out there, and a search didn't yield any footage of an Ifrit speed kill.

Just thought I'd share. XD

Edited, Oct 22nd 2011 1:01pm by DoctorMog
#6 Oct 22 2011 at 1:15 PM Rating: Good
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Congratulations, and thanks for the video!

I like how you don't add music and just leave the original sounds, really ups the helpfulness factor IMHO.
#7 Oct 22 2011 at 4:02 PM Rating: Default
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volta1 wrote:
How many times have you beat Ifrit?


I don't keep track because it really isn't anything meaningful to me.


I'm not trying to bash his win and I've seen his group making attempts. It's just that they went from trying it on their preferred set of classes to the 'cookie cutter' comp for defeating it. Not impressive. /shrug
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#8 Oct 23 2011 at 1:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm not trying to bash his win

The whole "I'm pwning you by putting you down and then pretending indifference to make my pwnage seem casual and unimportant to me" thing is pretty transparent at this point of the internet. I bet that worked awesome in the late 90's, though.
#9 Oct 23 2011 at 4:29 AM Rating: Default
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His previous group should have been able to down Ifrit, but they didn't execute. They abandoned their previous comp for one they watched another group win with. There isn't anything wrong with taking the easy route. You only miss out on the feeling of accomplishment you would have had by not following someone else lead. To each his own... or as you put it, pwn.







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#10 Oct 23 2011 at 9:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
Kinda disappointing you couldn't clear with your original comp. I guess I can't blame you guys for running the same comp you saw at BG, but... actually yeah. Shame on you. Uh, I mean congrats.


Thanks to the OP for the video and info - I'm sure it will be helpful for people who have not done this yet.

To the peep who felt the need to post the response above - have to agree with others, that's pretty weak lol. The OP posted something of value to others ... you posted um, well that above. I see nothing wrong with people doing the "cookie-cutter" setup initially and then maybe trying things later on. Aren't a lot of initial strategies for winning difficult raids in MMORPGs based around some sort of "cooke-cutter" setup and strategy? If you could explain the value in the statement you made or how your post helps other players, I'd be curious to hear the explanation lol.
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#11 Oct 23 2011 at 10:47 AM Rating: Excellent
Congratulations on the win Mog and don't let others put you down. I know more people that haven't beat Ifrit than have and I include myself in the majority. It's video's like your that my Linkshell use to fight these NM's. Just a quick question on the 'Cookie cutter' setup? What jobs are you running with on this? I see three LNC is that correct?
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#12 Oct 23 2011 at 3:45 PM Rating: Default
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To the peep who felt the need to post the response above - have to agree with others, that's pretty weak lol. The OP posted something of value to others ... you posted um, well...


How bout this.

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If you could explain the value in the statement you made or how your post helps other players, I'd be curious to hear the explanation lol.


Maybe I'm alone on this, but I feel much more accomplished when I defeat an encounter by taking what I knew or was able to learn about the fight and using that to win. Not every post on this forum needs to be of assistance to another player. The value is that by falling flat on your face enough you pick yourself up, dust yourself off and try again.

It's obvious that defeating Ifrit makes a player better, if nothing else for the gear that they could obtain, but does it make a player better at their jobs? Does it make a player better at the game overall? That is where the value comes in for me. I guess I shouldn't knock other players for doing it this way because it's becoming accepted more and more(dungeon journal anyone?) so I apologize if I have offended anyone. It's just an opinion.
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Maybe I'm alone on this, but I feel much more accomplished when I defeat an encounter by taking what I knew or was able to learn about the fight and using that to win. Not every post on this forum needs to be of assistance to another player. The value is that by falling flat on your face enough you pick yourself up, dust yourself off and try again.

It's obvious that defeating Ifrit makes a player better, if nothing else for the gear that they could obtain, but does it make a player better at their jobs? Does it make a player better at the game overall? That is where the value comes in for me. I guess I shouldn't knock other players for doing it this way because it's becoming accepted more and more(dungeon journal anyone?) so I apologize if I have offended anyone. It's just an opinion.


This is quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever seen posted on this forum.

I know you've been reading these threads; are you seriously doubting Mog's skill as a player? His LS as being accomplished? Really?

While his comments on some messages have rubbed some the wrong way, he has consistently posted videos and information on how to effectively play FFXIV since launch, adjusting patch after patch, consistently benefiting the collective knowledge of those that play the game. Your trolololo contributions, not so much.

If you want to play your comment as something other than the backhanded compliment it was, well, it's not working sir. Your subsequent commentary is nothing but non sequitur spin control in a vainful attempt to not look like a complete ****. Why don't you link your character in your sig, so we can all comment on how "cookie cutter" your gear and abilities are? For that matter, when's the last time you posted an original thought here?
Pfft.

Again, to the OP, as someone who has not yet defeated Ifrit and is not embarrassed to admit as much: thanks for posting this video to the community.
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This is quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever seen posted on this forum.

I know you've been reading these threads; are you seriously doubting Mog's skill as a player? His LS as being accomplished? Really?


I didn't say any of that. What I said was that people on these forums, especially recently given the 'WoWification' and the PL fiasco making it easier to do things without actually having to learn, or in some cases even participate, has been a hot topic lately. Copying someone else's raid comp is similar.

I never attacked Mog's skill or his LS's skill. I did watch them struggle until they employed the same comp as the video linked above. They came very close several times and the only reason they failed was a matter of execution. I give them props for doing so well with their original comp. It just seems to me that it would have been more of an accomplishment had they stuck with it and made it work.

If that was the stupidest thing you've seen in these forums you don't read them enough, which is probably a good thing.

Volta1 wrote:
While his comments on some messages have rubbed some the wrong way, he has consistently posted videos and information on how to effectively play FFXIV since launch, adjusting patch after patch, consistently benefiting the collective knowledge of those that play the game. Your trolololo contributions, not so much.

Mog has flat out admitted he trolls for the sake of trolling. It is not the sole purpose of this forum to post only things that 'consistently benefit collective knowledge'. If so, this forum would be much more empty than it already is. To be fair, if you check the threads about issues related to computers I'm sure you'll find I've been contributing since waaaay back.

I'm not spin controlling. If you are going to read much more into my words then I'll come back to clarify, but my opinion still stands.





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Maybe I'm alone on this, but I feel much more accomplished when I defeat an encounter by taking what I knew or was able to learn about the fight and using that to win. Not every post on this forum needs to be of assistance to another player. The value is that by falling flat on your face enough you pick yourself up, dust yourself off and try again.

It's obvious that defeating Ifrit makes a player better, if nothing else for the gear that they could obtain, but does it make a player better at their jobs? Does it make a player better at the game overall? That is where the value comes in for me. I guess I shouldn't knock other players for doing it this way because it's becoming accepted more and more(dungeon journal anyone?) so I apologize if I have offended anyone. It's just an opinion.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0&sns=em
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#16 Oct 23 2011 at 10:56 PM Rating: Default
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I'm sorry you can't comprehend simple english. Perhaps if I enclosed everything in x's you'd get it? Probably not. I bet you don't even know where that came from.
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#17 Oct 24 2011 at 1:42 AM Rating: Good
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Wrong. OP improved on BG's approach to Ifrit in one very significant way.

But!

Try to guess how. Answer below.

OP'S SECRET TO BEATING IFRIT BELOW:
No custom music in the gameplay video.
OP'S SECRET TO BEATING IFRIT ABOVE:


Edited, Oct 24th 2011 3:43am by Almalexia
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I've never done the Ifrit fight, it was very helpful hearing you guys communicate, also it was cool to see people take the game seriously, it makes me look forward to being in a LS of players i like.
#19 Oct 24 2011 at 5:04 AM Rating: Good
Seriously, Filthy, you don't seem like a bad guy, but remember, nobody likes to have their parade rained on, and really, you did it for absolutely no reason at all. Just chill, man.
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#20 Oct 24 2011 at 7:52 AM Rating: Good
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
I'm sorry you can't comprehend simple english. Perhaps if I enclosed everything in x's you'd get it? Probably not. I bet you don't even know where that came from.


I can comprehend simple English just fine, just not stupid comments, or everything you've said in this thread

The video was meant to be helpful, if it's not helping you, why complain about it and why keep coming back to the thread..

Edited, Oct 24th 2011 9:57am by xSanctusx
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#21 Oct 24 2011 at 8:09 AM Rating: Good
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DoctorMog wrote:
I know BG already posted their win video, (mad props to them!) but I wanted to share our speed run video to help anyone struggling with the fight/speed run.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F85vb-jeD6c

Enjoy and thanks

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Grats.... all i can say that video made me even MORE ****** off at SE. Why? Because it bold and underlines
just how useless GLD* have become. GLD can't parry with a shield on, and shield block is completely useless after it became auto. Most GLD's i know don't even use a shield on Ifrit so parry can proc. Block is so broken i spent 4h's with my 50 GLD fighting swarms for beast men 46-49, and my shield didn't drop from 100% all my other plate dropped to 40%.

*GLD referring gladiator not goldsmith*
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DoctorMog wrote:
I know BG already posted their win video, (mad props to them!) but I wanted to share our speed run video to help anyone struggling with the fight/speed run.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F85vb-jeD6c

Enjoy and thanks

Mog


Grats.... all i can say that video made me even MORE ****** off at SE. Why? Because it bold and underlines
just how useless GLD* have become. GLD can't parry with a shield on, and shield block is completely useless after it became auto. Most GLD's i know don't even use a shield on Ifrit so parry can proc. Block is so broken i spent 4h's with my 50 GLD fighting swarms for beast men 46-49, and my shield didn't drop from 100% all my other plate dropped to 40%.

*GLD referring gladiator not goldsmith*


Don't worry, SE is aware of the issue and going to fix it, there's a dev thread on the lodestone about it
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#23 Oct 24 2011 at 8:40 AM Rating: Good
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Congratulations Mog! Well deserved win and all your ifrit videos for the fight have been great resources for the fights we've been doing as well. The community is thankful.

I will however, voice the unpopular opinion in this post though. I was kinda hoping when i opened up that video to see you guys take ifrit down on a speed run with a the original setup you guys were attempting, and hoping not to find the BG setup. So i was really disappointed when I saw all those lncs and mrd tank. We have also mimiced the BG setup to great success on teh ifrit fight but have yet to beat it with a traditional gld tank + non lnc DDs. **** if an archer ever wanted to join us for the fight we flat out reject him/her. It's really a shame that SE has typecasted this fight where one setupt can absolutely own him while others struggle immensely.

That aside, this is a great accomplishment and good to see the lance drop actually going to a lnc! grats again.

Edited, Oct 24th 2011 10:41am by lightacadi
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Our first LS win was with a traditional gladiator tank setup and a combination of mrd/lnc's since that is what people had geared up with materia. We even had a third mage then since MP kept becoming an issue at the end. After our fist win, we adapted our strategy and now it looks like the BG setup after doing several runs. It really is the most efficient way to kill Ifrit, and applause to Doc Mog for posting this video. We haven't completed a speed run yet, but mostly because he has gotten 'jump' happy towards the end on us, which eats a lot of time up. Last night we had him to 1% and our dd's were getting ready to give him the killshot, but he jumped and when he came back we had missed the speed kill by like 10 seconds.

Only thing about Ifrit runs that **** me off are the loot system. Only gotten the axe in so many kills and my mrd isn't 50. Couple others have been on all of our Ifrit runs and haven't gotten any gear. Dumb loot system is dumb.
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I know several people were looking forward to Ifrit killed with our original setup, but the fight was easier accomplished first, then killed with unconventional setups. (rather than the inverse)

We have killed him with other setups, and I will post a video using one (or maybe no) lancers in days to come.

Thanks for the feedback and watching ^.^
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I know most of the Vids show a MRD tank, but our LS does just fine with me as GLA. Ill point out a few reasons. First our set up goes with 3 mages, 4 lancers and a GLA tank. From our testing i take much less damage on GLA than i do on MRD. We could not figure this out at first since both have about the same DEF. with gear. We came to realize being on class those extra seconds allow my DEF. abilities to be up more often to negate damage. Also as GLA i have probably about 300-400 MORE HP. The side effect of this is my second Wind 2 cures for considerably more HP since the ability is now based off MAX HP.
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I've just started doing these runs (done 4 so far) tanking as my GLA - feel like I'm getting a little better with each try. Glad to hear that it is possible to do with a GLA tank lol.

What's the best materia to use for this battle? Right now I have:

Touch of Rage IV (enmity): sword, belt
HP IV : gloves, legs, feet
Defense IV: shield
Vitality IV: body
Manaflight III: head (going to upgrade this to a IV probably)


Main question I have is for the head - doesn't seem to be a lot of great materia choices for a tank here. Magic Evasion seemed to be the only one pertinent to a tank - is there anything better to put here?
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HP can go in head I believe.

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DM thanks for consistantly sharing your journeys that often have tips and such for us who have yet to experience them... I don't give a crap what some people say, even if you didn't make your own strat (I honestly don't know or care), at least it's yet another vid on YouTube for XIV of people accomplishing something using teamwork.
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Regardless of the debate on original tactic or not, these videos are always nice to see. I'm at 25 now and I'm about to get into It Kills with Fire here soon. Seeing these fights how how much more active they are in comparison to FFXI's fights I'm thrilled for all the footage I can get.

I can't wait to get into it and see what the next Primal fight will be like.
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HP can go in head I believe.



Nope - I wish it could but unfortunately not.
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Just for fun we Pugilist tanked it last night.
Died at about 20% but not due to the inability of our PUG to tank it, but to poor eruption luck.

If we do it again, Ill post the vid XD
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Just for fun we Pugilist tanked it last night.
Died at about 20% but not due to the inability of our PUG to tank it, but to poor eruption luck.

If we do it again, Ill post the vid XD


That's my only hope of running it in a PUG. Can't wait to see the vid.
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That's my only hope of running it in a PUG.

In a PUG or as a PUG... or, both?
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