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#1 Oct 24 2011 at 10:02 AM Rating: Good
It is still quite possbile to Power Level, but I don't see many people bothering. Why would you, when you can get just as much or more Exp in a regular party now?

Meanwhile, my Leves are just piling up. Just a heaping pile of repetition and boredom. You? Still been doing your 4 Leves consistantly? Use them for crafting only now?

I would love to hear some feedback from other people on how they are playing post 1.19a. Here's what I'm seeing:

Exp Party:
Exp parties of late are coming out way on top. You still have to gather in Ul'dah, but I'm seeing party /shouts to be more common then ever. The level gap is very forgiving (Low level healers are fine, while low level DD struggle). Easy to create a party with just 5-6 members and start cranking out Exp chains of 800+ per mob. If some friends log on while you are partying, there is still room for more to join. If you lose a member suddenly, no big deal.

IMO, this party structure is ideal. Drop-in, drop-out, no worries. And the EXP rate is very rewarding. Perhaps a Level every hour, give or take. Maybe a bit fast, but I'm not going to complain about that.

Power Leveling:
Want to grab a few level 50's and head out to the strongholds? OK, if you have a few level 50's who want to. They really are sacrificing their time to level you. But wait, "Hey Level 50 guy, do you have a 35-45 to level? Yeah? Well, we could just all go party then."

So you just hop on level 35-45 jobs. And it turns out, now all the members of the party are getting close to the same Exp as PL'ing. But those 3 Level 50's are actually advancing instead of just sacrificing time. Does this make PL'ing officially balanced?

Battlecraft Leves:
Real quick, run through as many Leves as you can in an hour. OK, how many did you get done? 4? 5? So that's about 1/4 of your total Exp needed to next level? What I'm seeing is that it takes about 3-4 hours of soloing leves to get one level.

We used to be able to share Leves. We would go help someone on their leves, dou or trio, and we would get decent amount of Exp(SP) for helping. Now you get a slap in the face. 650 EXP, you suck. 850 Exp, go do something else.

Is that fine with us? Yeah. Leves are boring and we have done them all at least 20 times apeice. But what about the casual player. Log on, play for 20 minutes, have fun, log off. Is it still possible? Yes, if you want to spend 3-4 hours per level, it is.

I personally think that the reward for sharing a Leve should increase (marginally) so that in those times when you can only find 1 or 2 other friends to play with, you can just share Leves. Dou or Trio, you can start to increase the Level of mobs, and after you start chaining them, Exp gets much better.

In Summary:
Looks mostly good. Exp party is now the most rewarding form of leveling up. To me, this is at it should be.

I feel that the current system is rewarding solo or dou teams with just a fraction of what a party is now recieving. From what I'm seeing, this is mostly due to Exp Chains, and the fact that you can just barely solo mobs your own level. I can't really argue with this, because I want party to be incentivized.

However, I no longer feel that I can just log on for 30 minutes and complete something significant. I want a party. And I need time for a party.

Does anyone have suggestions for quick activities that can be done solo for Exp? I have little experience with Escort or Company Leves. I am hearing that these are challenging for a solo as well.

(Level 16-20 have been absolutely nerfed solo wise. This is the Level range just before parties become common enough to replace your own solo effort. Friends and LS mates are getting stuck at these levels and just giving up. If you can't find a PL or some experienced party help these levels just drag on and on. They lowered mob HP levels 1-15, but 15-20 is unchanged. Anyone have a Class 16-20 that can comment on solo efforts at these levels?)



Edited, Oct 24th 2011 12:03pm by SmashingtonWho
#2 Oct 24 2011 at 10:12 AM Rating: Good
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For EXP wise, battle craft leves are still a little low, I suppose, but there's one factor you missed out on in which I still do them:

Faction Leves.

In 1.19 they changed a lot of the rewards for the faction leves (aside from the HNM ones that now directly drop gear instead of runestones). I got some Steel level 32 DD socketable gear from a lot of the level 30 faction leves. Haven't tried the 40 ones yet.
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#3 Oct 24 2011 at 11:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, right now when I do battle leves, it is usually because I need guild marks, not xp. But, is that really that bad? Leves were never embraced by the community as the truly innovative and fun leveling method that the old XIV team wanted us to.

Edited, Oct 24th 2011 1:07pm by Vawn43
#4 Oct 24 2011 at 11:24 AM Rating: Good
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Well, let's just say I leveled CON to 22 before 1.19. I leveled THM after and it is kind of stuck at 15, I find it easier to level my CON that is now 31 than it is to get THM to 20. Granted I could just try and force myself considering it is only a few levels, but I find it so boring that I completely lose the will to play the game. So in that sense I'd rather stick to leveling my CON and have fun than just grind through those 5 levels on THM, which feels kind of bad because I want to prepare by getting THM to 30 before jobs are released.

Overall I'd say I agree with your thoughts on exping right now. That being said party dynamics/linking/repop and such still feel messy to me and I hope they work on that quite a lot for 1.20.
#5 Oct 24 2011 at 11:28 AM Rating: Good
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EXP Party is very fast - and very fun as well. I recently went to my first Stronghold and got great XP and had a blast trying for some keys. I was able to heal-bot and toss out some Shadowsears here and there for fun. I haven't done any "lower" level ones - but I see parties at camps constantly - and shouts are seen everytime I pass through town. Personally I like the party format and think it's fun.

Never was on the recieving end of any powerleveling before or after - although being in a party 40-50 in Stronghold is pretty fast.

Battlecraft leves... it varies. I can make 40k/hr from 35+ - I haven't done leves lower since the patch. 30k is guaranteed - 40k is really pushing hard and playing good. It does get boring doing the same leves though.

edit: sorry to clarify after - but that is with GA. I will say that from 32-45 now I'm still not out of GA .. I have 140 left in fact. All about Company Leves. <3

Edited, Oct 24th 2011 1:56pm by EmotionBlues
#6 Oct 24 2011 at 1:33 PM Rating: Good
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For lvls 15-20, go to the lvl 15 dungeon (sposhae or however it's spelled...) in a light party. Went from pugilist 15 to 17 last week in about 30 minutes. We were doing aoe pulls with GLA tank and exp was crazy.
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#7 Oct 24 2011 at 2:00 PM Rating: Decent
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SmashingtonWho wrote:



(Level 16-20 have been absolutely nerfed solo wise. This is the Level range just before parties become common enough to replace your own solo effort. Friends and LS mates are getting stuck at these levels and just giving up. If you can't find a PL or some experienced party help these levels just drag on and on. They lowered mob HP levels 1-15, but 15-20 is unchanged. Anyone have a Class 16-20 that can comment on solo efforts at these levels?)


For level 15+ do the same thing. Get an exp group and go to Shposhae, you will be level 20 in no time. You can also solo in Shopshae on the level 15 bats when you first get in there, and wait for a party to come or team up with others in there.

I did see a lag of exp grinding between 20 and 25 though. There didn't seem to be any great places to go, or maybe I just missed them. I think the next place I went after the level 15-19 mobs of Shposhae was like level 24-28 mobs (Cactuar and Goats).

After just coming back it is exactly how it should be I say. You get in a group and get great exp, if you want to go a little faster a friend can come PL. If it was any other way, I would go play Rift or something else.
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Yeah the 15-20 rut is where I hear the most complaints. Though they did set up camps for those ranges in their r20 areas. I just think the community needs to start using them, it's rare to hear a party forming in that range in Ul'dah.

As for what to do for a battlecraft that just wants to log on for say 30 min at a time and get quick exp I don't know. Behest is pretty much dead and I don't see a lot doing caravan security either. Which makes sense because both of those seemed like something designed to do between your leve grinding. Seeing as how leve grind isn't really viable for Battlecraft anymore (but a 99 leve allowance is sweetness for DoL and DoH) I kind of surprised that the devs didn't incentivize those activities a little more to keep "casual solo" play viable.

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#9 Oct 24 2011 at 4:10 PM Rating: Good
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akhenaten wrote:
SmashingtonWho wrote:



(Level 16-20 have been absolutely nerfed solo wise. This is the Level range just before parties become common enough to replace your own solo effort. Friends and LS mates are getting stuck at these levels and just giving up. If you can't find a PL or some experienced party help these levels just drag on and on. They lowered mob HP levels 1-15, but 15-20 is unchanged. Anyone have a Class 16-20 that can comment on solo efforts at these levels?)


For level 15+ do the same thing. Get an exp group and go to Shposhae, you will be level 20 in no time. You can also solo in Shopshae on the level 15 bats when you first get in there, and wait for a party to come or team up with others in there.

I did see a lag of exp grinding between 20 and 25 though. There didn't seem to be any great places to go, or maybe I just missed them. I think the next place I went after the level 15-19 mobs of Shposhae was like level 24-28 mobs (Cactuar and Goats).

After just coming back it is exactly how it should be I say. You get in a group and get great exp, if you want to go a little faster a friend can come PL. If it was any other way, I would go play Rift or something else.



agreed, the balance is much much better now for exp. as for levels 20-25, you can solo in shposhae, just aoe bats, then move further in as you level. very fast, for solo. ive noticed in general, for solo, aoeing mobs about 3-5 levels below your level makes for fast easy exp and lots of loot
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#10 Oct 24 2011 at 9:24 PM Rating: Good
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PL pre-40 is still faster than EXP party, and you only need 1 person to claim while the rest of pt on AFK follow. Unlike before though, people might die a lot more because you don't use a lvl 50 to claim + kill, you only use him to kill your claim, which means you gotta be able to take hits from 3-4 mobs +10 your level to maximise EXP rate.
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#11 Oct 24 2011 at 10:24 PM Rating: Decent
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gee sounds like fun.
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#12 Oct 25 2011 at 10:12 AM Rating: Good
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Eh might hop on and give partying a try. Haven't played either XI or XIV in about two weeks (aside from a couple WoE runs)... thinking of unsubbing XI. Maybe I unsub XI while XIV is free - then decide if I want to pay for either of them when subs come into XIV.
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#13 Oct 25 2011 at 7:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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The "powerlevel" scenario described in the OP is not really accurate. Seems like a regular XP party.

Powerleveling is getting a full party, tagging a bunch of mobs, and having a very bored L50 who is NOT a member of the party mow 'em all down once they're claimed.

That is the "easiest" way to XP. Only the actual party tank/healer and the PL surrogate need to do any work. If you're one of the other 6, sit back, diddle yourself, and enjoy the XP.

Other than that, an actual XP party that knows what it's doing is far more efficient than an equivalently skilled Leve party. If you're in the right zone, you're stationary and mobs are constantly spawning and you're getting 30K XP an hour. No leve composition compares.

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#14 Oct 26 2011 at 4:40 AM Rating: Good
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As long as people aren't openly shouting for PL's in town then i'm okay. And that problem has been solved, if LS communities want to waste they're time being the most hardcore LS out there then that's fine with me.

As far as the leve's go they only take about a 1/2 hour to do 4 of them and i think 1/4 to 1/3 party experience is more then fair.

The only flaw i will agree with is the slowdown between 10-15 to 16-20. The game doesn't really start until 25. I think an ambitious new player should be able to burn to 20 in a weekend of serious playing especially when the party window doesn't really open up until 30ish, who knows though the party matching system will probably make parties a lot more common.


So far though i'm pleased with the new exp system, Its nice for the new team to really find a good balance and offer several options to level depending on the time and resources. I think crafting could really benefit from those options, crafting is very quickly going the rout of money = levels and good god is crafting boring.
#15 Oct 26 2011 at 11:07 AM Rating: Good
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Battlecraft leves are good for money. EXP is a bonus.

You get liquid gil, random loots, HQ mob drops and FP for faction leves (which, in turn, cough up valuable crafting materials and gear).

On the other hand, those little 15-minute massacre leves at Halitali are good for EXP. A bunch of elementals spawn in close proximity to one another, all of them approximately your level. They are harmless, chainable and spawn faster than you can kill them. And you get GC seals for, ****, I don't know, one of those stupid hats, I guess.

But I agree with OP: party grinding is the optimal way to gain EXP, as it should be. Make sure you bring a MRD!
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I like the fact that exp groups surpass leves and that PL was made significantly clunkier. I still don't think the actual exp party experience is as as good as in CoP era FFXI, though. The current parties actually resemble ToAU era FFXI parties a lot and I never really enjoyed those regardless of the unprecedented exp rate.
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Faction leves (except Horn and Hand) now has a very high chance for Equipment. I got from Reward + Chest spawn at the end.
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#18 Nov 01 2011 at 3:32 PM Rating: Good
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For lvls 15-20, go to the lvl 15 dungeon (sposhae or however it's spelled...) in a light party. Went from pugilist 15 to 17 last week in about 30 minutes. We were doing aoe pulls with GLA tank and exp was crazy.


Thanks for this, and everyone else who suggested the new dungeon for the 15-20 range.

It seems there is a new way to PL. (EDIT: Probaly best not to spell out the newest way to exploit PL'ing specifically. The point being that more work needs to be done to limit AFK PL'ing.)

Now this method is clearly a exploit. I imagine it will be corrected shortly.


Edited, Nov 1st 2011 6:00pm by SmashingtonWho
#19 Nov 02 2011 at 8:47 AM Rating: Good
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SmashingtonWho wrote:
QuickShadoww wrote:
For lvls 15-20, go to the lvl 15 dungeon (sposhae or however it's spelled...) in a light party. Went from pugilist 15 to 17 last week in about 30 minutes. We were doing aoe pulls with GLA tank and exp was crazy.


Thanks for this, and everyone else who suggested the new dungeon for the 15-20 range.

It seems there is a new way to PL. (EDIT: Probaly best not to spell out the newest way to exploit PL'ing specifically. The point being that more work needs to be done to limit AFK PL'ing.)

Now this method is clearly a exploit. I imagine it will be corrected shortly.


Edited, Nov 1st 2011 6:00pm by SmashingtonWho


yes there is a new way to PL that is probably as effect as the PL in version 1.19. However, for the sake of not having this method nerfed by an emergency patch, its better to keep this topic out of the spotlight for as long as possible. For those not familiar with it, here's a hint it involvles the new claim system and multiple parties. The person being powerleveled however won't be able to AFK throughout the session.

Using this method we were able to hit levle 1-37 in just under 10 hours gameplay with multiple breaks.
#20 Nov 02 2011 at 2:31 PM Rating: Decent
Dude, everyone has already known about it since the patch. You just claim the mob /then/ have the PLer kill it outside of party.
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#21 Nov 02 2011 at 3:03 PM Rating: Good
That is not it. That is the accpeted/acceptable method. What we are refferring to is an exploit to the claiming system. In this way, you can still PL a group of AFK players where the R50 and the party leader are the only people doing anything.

It is AFK PL'ing that I would prefer not to be part of the game.
#22 Nov 03 2011 at 4:50 AM Rating: Good
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AFK auto-follow. Unless you think it's a secret/exploit. O.o

Party leader claim, PL-er outside Pt kill, it's been like this since the patch 1.19a.
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