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#1 Oct 24 2011 at 10:42 AM Rating: Default
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1) http://www.joystiq.com/2011/10/22/yoshida-final-fantasy-xiv-to-get-vita-smartphone-support-and/

And the funniest/worst maybe:

WoW Related (They now have pokemon and kung-fu pandacraft) lol:
2) http://www.joystiq.com/2011/10/21/wow-mists-of-pandaria-will-introduce-pokemon-like-pet-battle-sy/
3) http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/10/21/blizzard-discusses-mists-of-pandaria-details/
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#2 Oct 24 2011 at 11:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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There is no "news" there, just a very misleading article title.

Edited, Oct 24th 2011 1:03pm by Vawn43
#3 Oct 24 2011 at 12:06 PM Rating: Good
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#4 Oct 24 2011 at 5:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Hihihi wow has panda's hihihi

Meanwhile in FFXIV we have toddlers that look like 4yrs olds who can dress like whores.....

Yeah i think the panda people have the higher ground
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#5 Oct 24 2011 at 6:10 PM Rating: Default
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I have to admit, the addition of a panda race and pet battle system is pretty cool. Too bad WoW has such a high sticker price - otherwise I might give it a try.
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#6 Oct 24 2011 at 6:18 PM Rating: Decent
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A pet battle system just in time for their expanded micro-transaction-based item shop, what a coincidence!

Oh, and a new race that makes the game look even more like it was designed for the eight-and-under crowd, that's wonderful news. At least, in addition to WoW looking ever more like a F2P, cash-shop-fuelled parody of itself, I get hear some totally not-racist Panda caricature /bow at me while making lame, PG-13 jokes in an imitative Chinese accent.

Wow, indeed.


Edited, Oct 24th 2011 8:26pm by KaneKitty
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#7 Oct 24 2011 at 9:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Like galkas don't look like pandas...

Anyway, the most important news as WoW relates to XIV is that people who currently play WoW can sign up for a year sub and get Diablo 3 free. Yes, free as in the complete version of the game on release. They also get to rub their hands together and make ponies with sparkles.

Kung-fu pandas riding glitter ponies tossing out free copies of Diablo 3? That's hard to beat.
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#8 Oct 24 2011 at 11:05 PM Rating: Excellent
My awesome Monday news is that I just dinged level 50 on gladiator!
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#9 Oct 25 2011 at 6:31 AM Rating: Decent
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Thayos wrote:
My awesome Monday news is that I just dinged level 50 on gladiator!

Grat's Thayos :) My GLA is still 36 lol, just got ifrit's sword drop so it means I should level that faster >.>
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Like Final Fantasy XI, the game specs will be extremely high for the time, but in about 5 years, an average machine can run it on max settings with little to no issues. Tanaka also expressed interest in making a benchmark program available.

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#10 Oct 25 2011 at 8:20 AM Rating: Good
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
Anyway, the most important news as WoW relates to XIV is that people who currently play WoW can sign up for a year sub and get Diablo 3 free. Yes, free as in the complete version of the game on release. They also get to rub their hands together and make ponies with sparkles.


Blizzard knows that the WoW audience is generally very casual, that there are tons of high-profile MMORPGs coming out soon, and that many players do not stay subscribed to WoW for an entire year straight. As such, Blizzard is making such an offer because it forces a full, twelve-month commitment and because they realize that whatever money they may lose giving D3 away will be more than remade both by extra WoW subs and D3's real-money auction system, from whose real-money transactions Blizzard takes two separate cuts.

If it's a "good deal" for you, then, great, you get a "good deal." Would you have actually been subscribed to WoW for another full year, staying with WoW that whole time over TOR, Tera, GW2, FFXIV, and even D3? Maybe you would have, but the point of slapping a "ZOMG FREE STUFF" tag on something is to force impulse buys. Just as long as we all realize that massive conglomerates don't know nice and don't know "good deals," they only know how to get more money for themselves.
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#11 Oct 25 2011 at 9:21 AM Rating: Decent
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My awesome Monday news is that I just dinged level 50 on gladiator!


Congrats... now get every other class to 50 and you are set to tank... serious though i really want to see were SE goes with Gladiator as is am considering selling my sword....
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#12 Oct 25 2011 at 2:25 PM Rating: Good
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A pet battle system just in time for their expanded micro-transaction-based item shop, what a coincidence!

Oh, and a new race that makes the game look even more like it was designed for the eight-and-under crowd, that's wonderful news. At least, in addition to WoW looking ever more like a F2P, cash-shop-fuelled parody of itself, I get hear some totally not-racist Panda caricature /bow at me while making lame, PG-13 jokes in an imitative Chinese accent.

If it's a "good deal" for you, then, great, you get a "good deal." Would you have actually been subscribed to WoW for another full year, staying with WoW that whole time over TOR, Tera, GW2, FFXIV, and even D3? Maybe you would have, but the point of slapping a "ZOMG FREE STUFF" tag on something is to force impulse buys. Just as long as we all realize that massive conglomerates don't know nice and don't know "good deals," they only know how to get more money for themselves.


We get it, you dont like WoW....You are just as annoying as a guy coming and saying he doesn't like ffxiv repeatedly.

PS why put FFXIV in this sentence...."Would you have actually been subscribed to WoW for another full year, staying with WoW that whole time over TOR, Tera, GW2, FFXIV, and even D3?" It would make since to stay another full year on WoW seeing how FFXIV wont even be finished by the time your full year sub is up.... Yes the other games will be complete before your year sub is even 1/4 of the way done....but why even put FFXIV in that sentence.....
#13 Oct 25 2011 at 2:50 PM Rating: Decent
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KaneKitty wrote:
Blizzard knows that the WoW audience is generally very casual, that there are tons of high-profile MMORPGs coming out soon, and that many players do not stay subscribed to WoW for an entire year straight. As such, Blizzard is making such an offer because it forces a full, twelve-month commitment and because they realize that whatever money they may lose giving D3 away will be more than remade both by extra WoW subs and D3's real-money auction system, from whose real-money transactions Blizzard takes two separate cuts.


They set it up that way because they know that players of WoW may want to also play Diablo 3 and they don't want their players to feel that they are forced to pick one. How hardcore or casual you or anyone else is has nothing at all to do with it. XI has become about as casual as it can get, yet you still see SE offering something similar with their discount for subbing to both XI and XIV.

Blizzard way beyond the point of 'how much money are we going to lose'. This is a 'how do we keep our players happy' decision if I ever saw one. You also have to consider that the latest expansion is due out around the same time as the tentative release for D3.

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Would you have actually been subscribed to WoW for another full year, staying with WoW that whole time over TOR, Tera, GW2, FFXIV, and even D3? Maybe you would have, but the point of slapping a "ZOMG FREE STUFF" tag on something is to force impulse buys. Just as long as we all realize that massive conglomerates don't know nice and don't know "good deals," they only know how to get more money for themselves.


The only thing that makes it an impulse buy is the mount that is attached. I can see WoW players who collect mounts and pets jumping on that, but it isn't D3 related so "Look, free Diablo 3!" isn't what entices them. Even if didn't care for the mount; if you knew you were going to be playing through the next expansion then it just makes sense to sign up for it.
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30 bucks is almost free

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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#14 Oct 25 2011 at 2:54 PM Rating: Default
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but why even put FFXIV in that sentence.....


You do realize that at least 70% of people will p2p XIV in the upcoming year. And after 1.21 jobss least 20% will return plus new people will likely join on a constant basis. The way you speak it's as if XIV will go invisible/off the radar for a year.
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You do realize that at least 70% of people will p2p XIV in the upcoming year. And after 1.21 jobss least 20% will return plus new people will likely join on a constant basis.


[citation needed]

Where the **** do your numbers come from? Over 600k sales for XIV and at best, 60k people playing actively. Generosity for the sake of a nice clean number, but that's 10%. 90% of the people who purchased XIV quit even though it's still free. What makes you think that +70% of those still left will stay and pay or that 20% will come back when they add FF names to the same classes and mechanics?

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The way you speak it's as if XIV will go invisible/off the radar for a year.


You mean like it has been for the past year? Smiley: rolleyes


Edited, Oct 25th 2011 5:05pm by FilthMcNasty
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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#16 Oct 25 2011 at 3:07 PM Rating: Good
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Let not forgot that is 600k box sales with out including how many sold in japan. so it is lower then 10%. I highly doubt 70% of the player base will be paying for the game once they start charging. Even reading these boards that is very obvious.
#17 Oct 25 2011 at 3:19 PM Rating: Decent
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elicuevas wrote:
Let not forgot that is 600k box sales with out including how many sold in japan. so it is lower then 10%.


It was actually 620k and that did include Japan, but it was from their last fiscal report some months ago. Still proves the point I guess.
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30 bucks is almost free

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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#18 Oct 25 2011 at 3:20 PM Rating: Decent
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
TwiddleDee wrote:
You do realize that at least 70% of people will p2p XIV in the upcoming year. And after 1.21 jobss least 20% will return plus new people will likely join on a constant basis.


[citation needed]

Where the **** do your numbers come from? Over 600k sales for XIV and at best, 60k people playing actively. Generosity for the sake of a nice clean number, but that's 10%. 90% of the people who purchased XIV quit even though it's still free. What makes you think that +70% of those still left will stay and pay or that 20% will come back when they add FF names to the same classes and mechanics?

TwiddleDee wrote:
The way you speak it's as if XIV will go invisible/off the radar for a year.


You mean like it has been for the past year? Smiley: rolleyes


Edited, Oct 25th 2011 5:05pm by FilthMcNasty


Optimistic guess on my behalf, however i still believe that as changes happen people will return. Some updates are simply to big to turn a blind eye to. And it's poor advertizement that made XIV in to a ghost, amongst other things. My opinion here but considering 600k people bought it and only 10% play, i see a the potential for population growth. From the 90% that quit i can see least 10-15% come back as the game starts to shape it self.

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Let not forgot that is 600k box sales with out including how many sold in japan. so it is lower then 10%. I highly doubt 70% of the player base will be paying for the game once they start charging. Even reading these boards that is very obvious.


I would NOT base any decisions off the ZAM boards, as it does not indicate a solid sample of the player base at the moment. As well most people are simply full of it, they know they'll stay. But as the opportunity exists to get attention to some end they rage for now.

Edited, Oct 25th 2011 5:23pm by TwiddleDee
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#19 Oct 25 2011 at 3:40 PM Rating: Good
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I would NOT base any decisions off the ZAM boards, as it does not indicate a solid sample of the player base at the moment.


You're right - Zam XIV boards are heavily skewed towards people who still give a **** about XIV... whereas most of the gaming universe has moved on.
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#20 Oct 25 2011 at 3:48 PM Rating: Good
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
elicuevas wrote:
Let not forgot that is 600k box sales with out including how many sold in japan. so it is lower then 10%.


It was actually 620k and that did include Japan, but it was from their last fiscal report some months ago. Still proves the point I guess.


There is a MASSIVE Astrix beside the 630k copies shipped to stores number at this point, its exactly what it is. last year 630k copies left distribution centers to retailers. We dont know how many were sold to customers, damaged, buy back agreements etc. As far as how many players that represents, we have no real clue other than peak subscriptions, which was around 50-60k if I recall.

Just to touch on the free diablo 3 thing? Its actually a very intelligent move from blizzard. It may cause some people to pay up front (guaranteed money now > possible money later), and only really "costs" them the potential sales of people who would have subscribed 12 months and paid full for D3, and that shows where they're smart by not trying to squeeze every last penny out of customers, when you've got ~120$ out of a customer when the absolute max was $210, thats actually a pretty good move.
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I would NOT base any decisions off the ZAM boards, as it does not indicate a solid sample of the player base at the moment.


You're right - Zam XIV boards are heavily skewed towards people who still give a **** about XIV... whereas most of the gaming universe has moved on.


... it's pointless to argue, in a months time subscriptions will kick in and then it's all in or all out. If you care you'll stay if you don't you'll go else were. As someone who cares for the game and is staying i can only voice a positive look towards the future.
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There is a MASSIVE Astrix beside the 630k copies shipped to stores number at this point, its exactly what it is. last year 630k copies left distribution centers to retailers. We dont know how many were sold to customers, damaged, buy back agreements etc.


I'll bite on the buybacks, damaged units, ect. but this wasn't the number of units shipped. I lifted that directly from Square-Enix fiscal report on units sold. There were several other games on that list as well. Regardless of how many actually sold, we can safely say that the vast majority have left.

The Diablo 3 idea is a brilliant business move. They settle their WoW players who might be thinking they will have to choose between the two on release, they reward their loyal playerbase who have supported them and made them the giant they are and they come out looking like Robin Hood in the process.

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As someone who cares for the game and is staying i can only voice a positive look towards the future.

This is the exact reason why XIV got itself off to a bad start. There can be a big difference between being optimistic and realistic. People's blind optimism led SE to believe they could slip this game through despite being so flawed. What bothers me the most about this whole situation is the response of the faithful fanbase.

SE basically said "We are a niche MMO developer catering to a crowd who will devour anything we feed them. Why strive to make a quality game when all we have needed in the past is a brand to stand behind?". Apparently a slap in the face is still not enough to wake some people from slumber.

When you care about something, you should speak up when you see it going in the wrong direction. You don't let your friends get behind the wheel of a car when they're drunk because you are optimistic about the outcome, do you? Granted, a failed release isn't nearly as bad as a deadly crash involving a loved one, but XIV is on life support right now and their insurance(read: F2P) is about to expire.
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30 bucks is almost free

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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#23 Oct 25 2011 at 6:53 PM Rating: Good
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SE basically said "We are a niche MMO developer catering to a crowd who will devour anything we feed them. Why strive to make a quality game when all we have needed in the past is a brand to stand behind?". Apparently a slap in the face is still not enough to wake some people from slumber. [...] you should speak up when you see it going in the wrong direction.... XIV is on life support right now and their insurance(read: F2P) is about to expire.


But you're ignoring that SE has since said, "We have made countless grievous errors, hired a new team, given everyone four hundred free days of playtime as we get through the ugliest fixes, and shown several detailed maps to the future."

You're acting like this is still day-five-Tanaka-land that the other poster is feeling optimistic about. Clearly, since SE is doing so much to fix the errors, what matters are their most current statements, not the self-admitted errors of a year ago. given how many things SE has shown of late, I think it's fine for some people to feel optimistic.
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#24 Oct 25 2011 at 8:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Clearly, since SE is doing so much to fix the errors, what matters are their most current statements, not the self-admitted errors of a year ago.

Actions and results speak louder to me than their statements. I understand changes have come, but the game is still nowhere near where it should be, especially if they want to charge for it. This also according to statements made by SE. Apology accepted, but 2.0 should have been announced early this year and should be around the corner by now.

I'd be ok with giving SE a mulligan, but we're gonna be going on 3 years by the time we see 2.0 released. The amount of time it's taking does nothing to secure my confidence that it'll happen by then anyway.




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30 bucks is almost free

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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#25 Oct 25 2011 at 11:42 PM Rating: Decent
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
TwiddleDee wrote:
You do realize that at least 70% of people will p2p XIV in the upcoming year. And after 1.21 jobss least 20% will return plus new people will likely join on a constant basis.


[citation needed]

Where the **** do your numbers come from? Over 600k sales for XIV and at best, 60k people playing actively. Generosity for the sake of a nice clean number, but that's 10%. 90% of the people who purchased XIV quit even though it's still free. What makes you think that +70% of those still left will stay and pay or that 20% will come back when they add FF names to the same classes and mechanics?

TwiddleDee wrote:
The way you speak it's as if XIV will go invisible/off the radar for a year.


You mean like it has been for the past year? Smiley: rolleyes


Edited, Oct 25th 2011 5:05pm by FilthMcNasty


Your life must suck.
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Your life must suck.


Spoken like a true authority. Way to address the discussion.
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30 bucks is almost free

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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#27 Oct 26 2011 at 5:38 AM Rating: Good
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Why does this FilthyMcNasty guy show up in every thread spewing negativity and bile? Constructive criticism is one thing, as is taking a position of staunch objectivity- but you only look like a borderline-obsessed hater. Are you gonna go off the deep end and kill someone over it? Has this game wronged you so grievously?

If the game is so bad, why the **** do you stick around? I *deeply* hated Guild Wars, Age of Conan, etc- and guess how long I stuck around to post on their forums? YAHTZEE! I didn't. I moved on because there are more important things in life.

Quite a lot of people are expressing concerns for the game and its future. The game isn't perfect, is far from it, and will be far from it for some time to come. Square is working to fix that. If they aren't doing it fast enough for you (even considering they're effectively working on two separate games at once, and considering it takes a GIANT like Blizzard much more than a year just to put out an -expansion-), fine. If not all the changes are good enough or came fast enough, fine.

But you take things to an extreme. You ***** and moan like a broken record on the daily. And given that- maybe you should find something more productive to do with your time, because all you're really doing now is solidifying yourself a lifetime position in the annals of this forum's "Most Incredibly Annoying Posters of All Time" list.

I don't even post, but you make my *lurking* experience *awful*. Every **** thread you pop up in degenerates into pointless back and forth bickering and is like pulling teeth to read. Only now do *I* finally speak up because I am just *that* tired of seeing your username.

You take the phrase "negative nancy" and twist it into something infinitely more grotesque. You are a sour suck of a lemon. You give me reason to just play the game (or not) and never bother checking the forums for anything again.

I give most everyone a chance, and the benefit of the doubt- but I can say from the bottom of my heart that I see absolutely nothing redeeming in you as a human being based on your abominable posting history here. You are a troll for the sake of trolling, and have become a parody of yourself in the process.

Your life truly MUST suck, because if it didn't I can't even *begin* to imagine why you'd stick around for ~1,000 hateful posts.

You hate this game? Great. I hated it for a year, and I'm still skeptical- but I found a hobby. Maybe it's time you did.
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Why does this FilthyMcNasty guy show up in every thread spewing negativity and bile? Constructive criticism is one thing, as is taking a position of staunch objectivity- but you only look like a borderline-obsessed hater. Are you gonna go off the deep end and kill someone over it? Has this game wronged you so grievously?

If the game is so bad, why the **** do you stick around? I *deeply* hated Guild Wars, Age of Conan, etc- and guess how long I stuck around to post on their forums? YAHTZEE! I didn't. I moved on because there are more important things in life.

Quite a lot of people are expressing concerns for the game and its future. The game isn't perfect, is far from it, and will be far from it for some time to come. Square is working to fix that. If they aren't doing it fast enough for you (even considering they're effectively working on two separate games at once, and considering it takes a GIANT like Blizzard much more than a year just to put out an -expansion-), fine. If not all the changes are good enough or came fast enough, fine.

But you take things to an extreme. You ***** and moan like a broken record on the daily. And given that- maybe you should find something more productive to do with your time, because all you're really doing now is solidifying yourself a lifetime position in the annals of this forum's "Most Incredibly Annoying Posters of All Time" list.

I don't even post, but you make my *lurking* experience *awful*. Every **** thread you pop up in degenerates into pointless back and forth bickering and is like pulling teeth to read. Only now do *I* finally speak up because I am just *that* tired of seeing your username.

You take the phrase "negative nancy" and twist it into something infinitely more grotesque. You are a sour suck of a lemon. You give me reason to just play the game (or not) and never bother checking the forums for anything again.

I give most everyone a chance, and the benefit of the doubt- but I can say from the bottom of my heart that I see absolutely nothing redeeming in you as a human being based on your abominable posting history here. You are a troll for the sake of trolling, and have become a parody of yourself in the process.

Your life truly MUST suck, because if it didn't I can't even *begin* to imagine why you'd stick around for ~1,000 hateful posts.

You hate this game? Great. I hated it for a year, and I'm still skeptical- but I found a hobby. Maybe it's time you did.


Well said, but perhaps if it bothered you so much you'd take your own advice. Rate up for you anyway my good sir or madam.
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30 bucks is almost free

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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#29 Oct 26 2011 at 9:08 AM Rating: Decent
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
KaneKitty wrote:
Clearly, since SE is doing so much to fix the errors, what matters are their most current statements, not the self-admitted errors of a year ago.

Actions and results speak louder to me than their statements. I understand changes have come, but the game is still nowhere near where it should be, especially if they want to charge for it. This also according to statements made by SE. Apology accepted, but 2.0 should have been announced early this year and should be around the corner by now.

I'd be ok with giving SE a mulligan, but we're gonna be going on 3 years by the time we see 2.0 released. The amount of time it's taking does nothing to secure my confidence that it'll happen by then anyway.


This has got to be the most retarded thing I ever heard. If you want some rushed game like they did first time around and expect an entirely brand new game, in a year. You go work for them.

Yeah they !@#$ed up. In that time have they not only redesigned an entire game engine, server system, graphics, art style and who knows what else. They updated the POS that they released into something that IS worth paying for. All this, while not getting paid by it's customer base.

Actions speak louder? They just took a bull horn, bent you over the desk and set it to max. Loud enough to go up your *** and out your ears. Than back through them again.
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#30 Oct 26 2011 at 9:17 AM Rating: Decent
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There is no ignore function in ZAM is there? Would save me a lot of stress from the negative nancies around here.
#31 Oct 26 2011 at 9:39 AM Rating: Good
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Why does this FilthyMcNasty guy show up in every thread spewing negativity and bile? Constructive criticism is one thing, as is taking a position of staunch objectivity- but you only look like a borderline-obsessed hater. Are you gonna go off the deep end and kill someone over it? Has this game wronged you so grievously?

If the game is so bad, why the **** do you stick around? I *deeply* hated Guild Wars, Age of Conan, etc- and guess how long I stuck around to post on their forums? YAHTZEE! I didn't. I moved on because there are more important things in life.

Quite a lot of people are expressing concerns for the game and its future. The game isn't perfect, is far from it, and will be far from it for some time to come. Square is working to fix that. If they aren't doing it fast enough for you (even considering they're effectively working on two separate games at once, and considering it takes a GIANT like Blizzard much more than a year just to put out an -expansion-), fine. If not all the changes are good enough or came fast enough, fine.

But you take things to an extreme. You ***** and moan like a broken record on the daily. And given that- maybe you should find something more productive to do with your time, because all you're really doing now is solidifying yourself a lifetime position in the annals of this forum's "Most Incredibly Annoying Posters of All Time" list.

I don't even post, but you make my *lurking* experience *awful*. Every **** thread you pop up in degenerates into pointless back and forth bickering and is like pulling teeth to read. Only now do *I* finally speak up because I am just *that* tired of seeing your username.

You take the phrase "negative nancy" and twist it into something infinitely more grotesque. You are a sour suck of a lemon. You give me reason to just play the game (or not) and never bother checking the forums for anything again.

I give most everyone a chance, and the benefit of the doubt- but I can say from the bottom of my heart that I see absolutely nothing redeeming in you as a human being based on your abominable posting history here. You are a troll for the sake of trolling, and have become a parody of yourself in the process.

Your life truly MUST suck, because if it didn't I can't even *begin* to imagine why you'd stick around for ~1,000 hateful posts.

You hate this game? Great. I hated it for a year, and I'm still skeptical- but I found a hobby. Maybe it's time you did.


Hold up.

There's a difference between being negative and being critical. Filth generally just points out flaws in the game that most people ignore or put up with because they hope the game will turn out to be a good one.

Why Filth still posts is also obvious, he cares about the game.

There are a lot of us that like to check in on the forums to see how the game is progressing. Some of us still play casually to try out new stuff or see if that horrible delay has been fixed yet. There were a lot of cool and different ideas that FFXIV tried to create. Unfortunately the game turned out to be a train wreck, but that doesn't mean we're not all still hoping it will suceed.
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Why does this FilthyMcNasty guy show up in every thread spewing negativity and bile? Constructive criticism is one thing, as is taking a position of staunch objectivity- but you only look like a borderline-obsessed hater. Are you gonna go off the deep end and kill someone over it? Has this game wronged you so grievously?

If the game is so bad, why the **** do you stick around? I *deeply* hated Guild Wars, Age of Conan, etc- and guess how long I stuck around to post on their forums? YAHTZEE! I didn't. I moved on because there are more important things in life.

Quite a lot of people are expressing concerns for the game and its future. The game isn't perfect, is far from it, and will be far from it for some time to come. Square is working to fix that. If they aren't doing it fast enough for you (even considering they're effectively working on two separate games at once, and considering it takes a GIANT like Blizzard much more than a year just to put out an -expansion-), fine. If not all the changes are good enough or came fast enough, fine.

But you take things to an extreme. You ***** and moan like a broken record on the daily. And given that- maybe you should find something more productive to do with your time, because all you're really doing now is solidifying yourself a lifetime position in the annals of this forum's "Most Incredibly Annoying Posters of All Time" list.

I don't even post, but you make my *lurking* experience *awful*. Every **** thread you pop up in degenerates into pointless back and forth bickering and is like pulling teeth to read. Only now do *I* finally speak up because I am just *that* tired of seeing your username.

You take the phrase "negative nancy" and twist it into something infinitely more grotesque. You are a sour suck of a lemon. You give me reason to just play the game (or not) and never bother checking the forums for anything again.

I give most everyone a chance, and the benefit of the doubt- but I can say from the bottom of my heart that I see absolutely nothing redeeming in you as a human being based on your abominable posting history here. You are a troll for the sake of trolling, and have become a parody of yourself in the process.

Your life truly MUST suck, because if it didn't I can't even *begin* to imagine why you'd stick around for ~1,000 hateful posts.

You hate this game? Great. I hated it for a year, and I'm still skeptical- but I found a hobby. Maybe it's time you did.


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Unfortunately the game turned out to be a train wreck, but that doesn't mean we're not all still hoping it will succeed.


If this is true why does every XIV topic end in a ball of flaming hate and negativity.. If the goal is the same, even if the opinions are different shouldn't there be a middle ground of understanding?
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TwiddleDee wrote:
M0NKEYSNARF wrote:
Unfortunately the game turned out to be a train wreck, but that doesn't mean we're not all still hoping it will succeed.


If this is true why does every XIV topic end in a ball of flaming hate and negativity.. If the goal is the same, even if the opinions are different shouldn't there be a middle ground of understanding?


One could say the same thing about any issue, really. Look at politics, religion, &c.; usually people have a similar goal but utterly different ways to reach that goal - thus flame wars (and, in the given examples, just plain wars) ensue. Also, while different sides may want the same thing in name, they may not want the same thing in principle - e.g., "we want a peaceful populous" means "a Christian country" to some, "an Islamic state" to another, and "a socialist commune" to still others.

As it applies to FFXIV, while we all want it to succeed, some believe that success means adding a WoW-style interface, add-ons, an auto-group feature, and making the difficulty generally lower and more "casual;" others want a successful game more in line with FFXI, which would shirk such things in favour of a "core audience." So you can see how easy it is for disagreement and arguments to spring up - especially on the internet, where everybody is a Keyboard Warrior, you senseless *******.
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#35 Oct 26 2011 at 1:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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TwiddleDee wrote:
M0NKEYSNARF wrote:
Unfortunately the game turned out to be a train wreck, but that doesn't mean we're not all still hoping it will succeed.


If this is true why does every XIV topic end in a ball of flaming hate and negativity.. If the goal is the same, even if the opinions are different shouldn't there be a middle ground of understanding?


Kane has some good points.

I think the context of the discussion turning to flaming or negativity boils down to comparing FFXIV to itself (or FFXI) versus comparing it to its competition. Then people get a little carried away trying to prove their points. For instance, FFXIV has made tremendous progress since launch. It is unreal how much better it is compared to how it used to be. They deserve a lot of credit for that. At the same time, FFXIV is easily the worst MMO on the market, and especially if you compare it to other P2P MMOs. It is so far behind its competition it's laughable. So while these 2 statements are essentially true, they are also polar and could easily start a flame war.

What we have to remember is that basically anyone coming here on a regular basis wants FFXIV to succeed and be a good game worth playing and worth paying for.
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FFXIV is easily the worst MMO on the market, and especially if you compare it to other P2P MMOs. It is so far behind its competition it's laughable.


Are you playing FFXIV? If so, how do you possibly find the time when you clearly rank every other MMO on the market ahead of it? Logic dictates that you must spend more time with each one of those as you rate them so much higher than this one. If you aren't playing FFXIV, what are you doing on these boards and how do you know so much about what the game was and what it is currently?
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This has got to be the most retarded thing I ever heard. If you want some rushed game like they did first time around and expect an entirely brand new game, in a year. You go work for them.


You're absolutely right. There is no way they should have been able to come up with a decent game after half a dozen years of development. What the **** was I thinking?

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Yeah they !@#$ed up. In that time have they not only redesigned an entire game engine, server system, graphics, art style and who knows what else. They updated the POS that they released into something that IS worth paying for.


None of that has happened, yet.


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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
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There is no ignore function in ZAM is there? Would save me a lot of stress from the negative nancies around here.



Actually, there is one. I petitioned a couple weeks ago for them to improve it and they did inside 10 days of the ticket.

Click on your name in the upper right corner and click on "Contacts" your Ignore list should show up on the bottom half of the page. You can add users there to your ignore list.

If that's too much work for you, you can also simply hover your cursor over the name of the person you want to ignore in one of their posts. The ignore option is on the bottom of the menu that pops up.

Enjoy.
#39 Oct 26 2011 at 5:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Vawn43 wrote:
M0NKEYSNARF wrote:
FFXIV is easily the worst MMO on the market, and especially if you compare it to other P2P MMOs. It is so far behind its competition it's laughable.


Are you playing FFXIV? If so, how do you possibly find the time when you clearly rank every other MMO on the market ahead of it? Logic dictates that you must spend more time with each one of those as you rate them so much higher than this one. If you aren't playing FFXIV, what are you doing on these boards and how do you know so much about what the game was and what it is currently?


Contextualize that statement considering the experience SE has had, not just with RPG games but also with their previous MMO which most everyone would agree was successful, and it stands up. Also, consider their budget. Like I said above; going on 8 years of development and your company comes out with a statement saying that their game is an embarrassment to the franchise, now all of a sudden they want to charge for it? Logic dictates nothing to SE it seems.
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30 bucks is almost free

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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
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I've long stopped rating games comparatively, but based off of my satisfaction on the experience they provide.

There are many ways you can judge FFXIV as the worst MMO out on the market, though, if you do, I'd have to question your experience in MMOs, there have been plenty worse, though, not many have been as much of a disappointment's as FFXIV was, we all expected more of SE and they let us down.

The choice of remaining 'critical' which to many at this point is just being received as pointlessly angry and bitter, even if it is a personal one. But constantly bringing the conversation back onto the basic point if 'FFXIV is bad' is tediously annoying this far into recovery process. (A full year later, mind you.) There's no point in continuing the things SE 'should have done' before the mess up.

SE dun @#%^ed up, we get it. They poorly allocated and focused their resources before launch and callously ignored the playerbase's feedback during beta when everyone screamed for them to put on the breaks. But this is in the past. The majority of the development team is gone or reassigned to more specific areas and there has been both open communication and visible progress made in fixing problems on top of creating additional content.

And this isn't even including the content we have not yet seen that seems to be core parts of the 2.0 update.

Focusing on the past, to the neglect of the game's present and future is horrible logic. Time to move on.



Edited, Oct 26th 2011 7:37pm by Hyrist
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Wow... Somebody actually thinks 90% of the people will come back Smiley: lol
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