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#1 Nov 05 2011 at 7:59 AM Rating: Decent
Would this laptop be good enough to run FFXIV mainly to craft while watching movies:

HP 15.6" Laptop, 2.3GHz/1.4GHz AMD Quad-Core A6-3400M Accelerated, 4GB RAM, 500GB HDD (g6-1c60ca)

Specs:

2.3GHz/1.4GHz AMD Quad-Core A6-3400M Accelerated Processor
4GB system memory; Expandable up to 8GB
500GB hard disk drive
Super Multi DVD burner
15.6" LED display
Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit)
AMD Radeon HD 6520 Discrete-Class Graphics
Built-in Altec Lansing stereo speakers
HP webcam with integrated digital microphone
Bluetooth 2.0
Connectivity options include 10/100 Ethernet LAN and Wireless LAN 802.11b/g/n
Ports include 3 x USB 2.0 and HDMI
Full size keyboard
Up to 7 hours battery life

Thanks for the answers
#2 Nov 05 2011 at 9:08 AM Rating: Default
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There's 3 factors that come into play with being able to play ffxiv. First, the video card must be up to par. And if it is, then your processor and ram are fine too.

My alienware has a geforce gtx260m video card. On performance chart it scores 702. I can play on low settings at 1920x1200.

Your laptop's 6520 video card scores a 447 on the perfromance chart. You may be able to play on low/very low, at reduced resolution, but it should be playable.

Here's a benchmark site that lists your video card and where it stands:
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html
#3 Nov 07 2011 at 1:07 PM Rating: Decent
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VenekSteelf1st wrote:
Would this laptop be good enough to run FFXIV mainly to craft while watching movies:

HP 15.6" Laptop, 2.3GHz/1.4GHz AMD Quad-Core A6-3400M Accelerated, 4GB RAM, 500GB HDD (g6-1c60ca)

Specs:

2.3GHz/1.4GHz AMD Quad-Core A6-3400M Accelerated Processor
4GB system memory; Expandable up to 8GB
500GB hard disk drive
Super Multi DVD burner
15.6" LED display
Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit)
AMD Radeon HD 6520 Discrete-Class Graphics
Built-in Altec Lansing stereo speakers
HP webcam with integrated digital microphone
Bluetooth 2.0
Connectivity options include 10/100 Ethernet LAN and Wireless LAN 802.11b/g/n
Ports include 3 x USB 2.0 and HDMI
Full size keyboard
Up to 7 hours battery life

Thanks for the answers



I'm not tech savy but let's put it this way... I play the game on a Jan. 2009 15 inch mid-level MacBook (with Windows dual-boot) and the game runs perfectly fine. I'm quite sure you'll be able to run it.

I had 1,000 people tell me I wouldn't be able to play the game... So the bottom line is don't listen to people sit here and tell you you need a Magnatron Alien-Monster Vorzex 9trillion overclocked with dual 32.6 GHz Tetra-Core processors to run this game. I run the game perfectly fine on all "standard" settings with my piece-of-crap-for-gaming MacBook pro.

EDIT: Ohhh I forgot I DO HAVE a "speck" plastic cover around my macbook. So I'm sure that contributes to the awesome performance I experience.

Edited, Nov 7th 2011 2:09pm by je355804
#4 Nov 07 2011 at 1:15 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm not tech savy but let's put it this way... I play the game on a Jan. 2009 15 inch mid-level MacBook (with Windows dual-boot) and the game runs perfectly fine. I'm quite sure you'll be able to run it.

I had 1,000 people tell me I wouldn't be able to play the game... So the bottom line is don't listen to people sit here and tell you you need a Magnatron Alien-Monster Vorzex 9trillion overclocked with dual 32.6 GHz Tetra-Core processors to run this game. I run the game perfectly fine on all "standard" settings with my piece-of-crap-for-gaming MacBook pro.

EDIT: Ohhh I forgot I DO HAVE a "speck" plastic cover around my macbook. So I'm sure that contributes to the awesome performance I experience.

Edited, Nov 7th 2011 2:09pm by je355804


At no point can Mac hardware be considered "standard." Apple prides itself in providing above average hardware within it's "basic" models. Not going to get into a Mac over PC debate, rather just wanted to point out that 9 times out of 10 Mac's base stock systems are better, hardware wise, to base stock PCs from HP, Dell, etc.


Edited, Nov 7th 2011 2:15pm by Dyrwydi
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Professor Dyrwydi wrote:
je355804 wrote:
VenekSteelf1st wrote:
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I'm not tech savy but let's put it this way... I play the game on a Jan. 2009 15 inch mid-level MacBook (with Windows dual-boot) and the game runs perfectly fine. I'm quite sure you'll be able to run it.

I had 1,000 people tell me I wouldn't be able to play the game... So the bottom line is don't listen to people sit here and tell you you need a Magnatron Alien-Monster Vorzex 9trillion overclocked with dual 32.6 GHz Tetra-Core processors to run this game. I run the game perfectly fine on all "standard" settings with my piece-of-crap-for-gaming MacBook pro.

EDIT: Ohhh I forgot I DO HAVE a "speck" plastic cover around my macbook. So I'm sure that contributes to the awesome performance I experience.

Edited, Nov 7th 2011 2:09pm by je355804


At no point can Mac hardware be considered "standard." Apple prides itself in providing above average hardware within it's "basic" models. Not going to get into a Mac over PC debate, rather just wanted to point out that 9 times out of 10 Mac's base stock systems are better, hardware wise, to base stock PCs from HP, Dell, etc.


Edited, Nov 7th 2011 2:15pm by Dyrwydi


Agreed. However you know the average knock on MAC is that it's not amazing as a gaming rig. Which I generally agree with.

The point is... not a debate over the power of macs/pcs. More-so a simple pointer that the "epic hardware" requirements are VASTLY overstated for this game
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Professor Dyrwydi wrote:
At no point can Mac hardware be considered "standard." Apple prides itself in providing above average hardware within it's "basic" models. Not going to get into a Mac over PC debate, rather just wanted to point out that 9 times out of 10 Mac's base stock systems are better, hardware wise, to base stock PCs from HP, Dell, etc.


LMFAO... really? Apple consistantly provides hardware offerings of closed systems with non-upgradable GPUs and out of date firmware/driver upgrades when it comes to GPU's even on desktops. Take a look at the 13" Mac Air's or whatever. It took me almost a week to find a hack for my friends 2011 13" to be able to play a well sclaed game like BF3 (well I'm assumin it scales well... plays good and looks ok on my wifes 6 year old PC and great on my 1.5 year old PC). Now the 15" and larger are a different story hardware wise for laptop offerings, but Mac's as a whole are generally a pain. ****, I couldn't even fix my friends hardware failure. It HAD to go to the Mac store for a new HDD. Nothing "basic: about that service.

Plain and simple, Macs are meant for tasks other than gaming until PC gaming gets dumbed down (which hopefully won't happen depending on the next gen consoles) or Mac allows personal upgrades.

I don't own any Mac products other than an iPod I won at a raffle (and I don't use, but I don't use the Zune I elsewhere either), so I don't know if this is stuff that THEY were telling me and the Mac forums said, or if it's 100% fact. But I know I couldn't just take a broken HDD (which to be fair, HDDs can come from the factory broke, it's not a Mac fault) and swap it for a larger new one. The store had to swap it 100% like for like, 3 F'N times before there were no more issues.

PS, I know you can upgrade GPUs on a Mac desktop... but only if it's supported and it can still be a major pain in the ***. You shouldn't have to jump through hoops to install a new GPU. It should be power off, remove, insert, power on, update drivers, enjoy.... not hack hack hack.
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#7 Nov 07 2011 at 2:26 PM Rating: Decent
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And this is what I was trying to avoid in my comment "Not going to get into a Mac over PC debate." We are comparing hardware of base models, not how easy they are to upgrade, or fix, or anything. Base hardware to base hardware Mac wins over 90% of PC dealers. No one is recommending that anyone buy a Mac for gaming, whatever. This was a post to explain and nullify the value of the "I'm using an old computer and it works fine" comment. Now please, read the whole post before throwing a tantrum, and stay on topic if that is possible.

Edited, Nov 7th 2011 3:27pm by Dyrwydi
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Base hardware to base hardware Mac wins over 90% of PC dealers.


Seconded. Who in the **** upgrades a laptop anyway?

Perrin wrote:
Plain and simple, laptops are meant for tasks other than gaming


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Edited, Nov 7th 2011 7:15pm by FilthMcNasty
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#9tetsuol, Posted: Nov 07 2011 at 11:53 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) MY LAPTOP IS ABOUT 1 YEAR OLD IT HAS CORE I7 oops caps dont feel like retyping
#10 Nov 08 2011 at 12:19 AM Rating: Good
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For the OP: Highly doubtful. I'm not sure if a mobility 6520 is even strong enough to open the game. If it does, I doubt you'd get by on any more than 640x480 at the lowest possible settings.

Edited, Nov 8th 2011 12:31am by bsphil
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#11 Nov 08 2011 at 8:28 AM Rating: Good
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Professor Dyrwydi wrote:
Base hardware to base hardware Mac wins over 90% of PC dealers.


I don't understand the point of this statement. Macs cost 3-4x the base cost those 90% of pc dealers. You're spinning it like its some sort of advantage.

Its more like base hardware to base hardware at the same price, Mac LOSES over 90% of PC dealers.
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Seconded. Who in the **** upgrades a laptop anyway?



I upgraded my Alienware m15x from an ATI 5850 to a 6970m, SSD Drive, Faster memory and of course a 940XM I7 processor. Games run nearly as good as my desktop with a 580 gtx. Laptops are moving rapidly to a video standard called MXM which is just like PCI Express. This being one of the last barriers for laptops in the gaming scene. The cards can generally be quickly be removed as well as they follow the same form factor. Sager, Alienware, Clevo, some ASUS and several others have already jumped on the MXM bandwagon making laptops nearly as upgradable as desktops. I think most people are just sheep'led into the idea that laptop suck at gaming. The key limitation with some models is that you can not upgrade the power supply. Some of the high end systems are rocking crossfire/sli configurations that rival most desktops...

This link shows just how much the tuning scene for laptops is starting to take off:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/alienware-m15x/571445-m15x-6970m-what-you-need-know-upgrading-problems-solutions.html

Some benefits of gaming laptops:
Mobility and Tethering (free if you know what your doing)
Can be used as a desktop with a monitor, mouse and keyboard
Play on your lunch break... at work.

Some Con's
Can be $$$ compared to desktops
Heat
Weight (gaming laptops are usually very heavy)
Could get stolen



Edited, Nov 8th 2011 10:08am by DameGuy

Edited, Nov 8th 2011 10:10am by DameGuy
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And this is what I was trying to avoid in my comment "Not going to get into a Mac over PC debate." We are comparing hardware of base models, not how easy they are to upgrade, or fix, or anything. Base hardware to base hardware Mac wins over 90% of PC dealers. No one is recommending that anyone buy a Mac for gaming, whatever. This was a post to explain and nullify the value of the "I'm using an old computer and it works fine" comment. Now please, read the whole post before throwing a tantrum, and stay on topic if that is possible.


I wasn't downing Macs, but they are NOT better than PCs when it comes to gaming. Stock for stock at a similar price point you'll usually get a better windows based laptop. Now if you want to compare a base Mac to a base Wal-Mart offering (if you leave the price out of it) the Mac should trump every time.

My main point was that drivers and such for GPUs are often not up to date for alot of gaming needs on Macbooks. You'll find the same problem with older ATI based laptops from non-gaming orientated vendors (such as HP or Acer). I think (?) AMD has changed their drivers system to incorporate mobile GPUs now, but before you had to go to a 3rd party site for hacked drivers. There may be just such a site for the Mac drivers, I don't know.

PS: as to upgrading GPUs on a laptop, you can and some people are starting to. I think MSI was making one that would work via USB 3.0 on any OS but I could be wrong.

http://www.techradar.com/news/computing-components/graphics-cards/how-to-make-an-external-laptop-graphics-adaptor-915616

*EDIT* Dame, they tried that before with the barebones laptops but it just didn't take off. I truly hope it does at some point. Carrying around a 19lb laptop for gaming sucks ***... I lugged one all over the middle east. You're right about the new standard being a very key point.

Edited, Nov 8th 2011 5:50pm by Perrin
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#14 Nov 08 2011 at 1:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Professor Dyrwydi wrote:
Base hardware to base hardware Mac wins over 90% of PC dealers.


I don't understand the point of this statement. Macs cost 3-4x the base cost those 90% of pc dealers. You're spinning it like its some sort of advantage.

Its more like base hardware to base hardware at the same price, Mac LOSES over 90% of PC dealers.


Read the original comment that this is in reference to - again, this is NOT a discussion of which is better or cheaper, simply that the laptop is question should not be used for comparison of what the average base-line laptop from 2009 is capable of.
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And this is what I was trying to avoid in my comment "Not going to get into a Mac over PC debate." We are comparing hardware of base models, not how easy they are to upgrade, or fix, or anything. Base hardware to base hardware Mac wins over 90% of PC dealers. No one is recommending that anyone buy a Mac for gaming, whatever. This was a post to explain and nullify the value of the "I'm using an old computer and it works fine" comment. Now please, read the whole post before throwing a tantrum, and stay on topic if that is possible.


I wasn't downing Macs, but they are NOT better than PCs when it comes to gaming. Stock for stock at a similar price point you'll usually get a better windows based laptop. Now if you want to compare a base Mac to a base Wal-Mart offering (if you leave the price out of it) the Mac should trump every time.

My main point was that drivers and such for GPUs are often not up to date for alot of gaming needs on Macbooks. You'll find the same problem with older ATI based laptops from non-gaming orientated vendors (such as HP or Acer). I think (?) AMD has changed their drivers system to incorporate mobile GPUs now, but before you had to go to a 3rd party site for hacked drivers. There may be just such a site for the Mac drivers, I don't know.

PS: as to upgrading GPUs on a laptop, you can and some people are starting to. I think MSI was making one that would work via USB 3.0 on any OS but I could be wrong.

http://www.techradar.com/news/computing-components/graphics-cards/how-to-make-an-external-laptop-graphics-adaptor-915616

*EDIT* Dame, they tried that before with the barebones laptops but it just didn't take off. I truly hope it does at some point. Carrying around a 19lb laptop for gaming sucks ***... I lugged one all over the middle east. You're right about the new standard being a very key point.

Edited, Nov 8th 2011 5:50pm by Perrin


Again, blatant disregard for the subject at hand. See my last reply. The laptop in question is not a fair system for comparing a "standard" or "base-line" laptop from 2009. That was the only point. This was not a discussion of which is a better investment.
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Again, blatant disregard for the subject at hand. See my last reply. The laptop in question is not a fair system for comparing a "standard" or "base-line" laptop from 2009. That was the only point. This was not a discussion of which is a better investment.


Do you know how not to come across as a prick?

The question is about a laptop for an MMO, one that is undergoing serious changes... longevity of the drivers for the intent of gaming is a very valid concern. This isn't "will this laptop play Crysis", that games patched and current drivers will very likely be sufficient for the life of the laptop. This is about an MMO, which will change over time... which means you'd liukely want something with reliable and consistantly updating drivers.
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#17 Nov 08 2011 at 2:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Professor Dyrwydi wrote:
Again, blatant disregard for the subject at hand. See my last reply. The laptop in question is not a fair system for comparing a "standard" or "base-line" laptop from 2009. That was the only point. This was not a discussion of which is a better investment.


Do you know how not to come across as a prick?

The question is about a laptop for an MMO, one that is undergoing serious changes... longevity of the drivers for the intent of gaming is a very valid concern. This isn't "will this laptop play Crysis", that games patched and current drivers will very likely be sufficient for the life of the laptop. This is about an MMO, which will change over time... which means you'd liukely want something with reliable and consistantly updating drivers.


Agreed, now that we are back on-topic - which only took 9 posts, must be a record. I will disregard your notable shift from a Mac v. PC discussion and wave off your "prick" comment. I will though apologize for causing the derailing of the original topic by daring to discuss any aspect of the Mac that was brought up.

The issue at hand, to be precise, is whether or not a HP Pavilion g6-1c60ca Notebook PC can handle the game. Unfortunately this specific model, like most in the Pavilion line can not be updated with better graphics cards if the integrated one does not work out. While I would never recommend buying a specialized computer just for a single game, if you are determined to acquire a which will play FFXIV as well as perform well in other venues, I would recommend going with something from either from Toshiba's Qosmio line, or Dell's Alienware series.
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Professor Dyrwydi wrote:
hatari5200 wrote:
Professor Dyrwydi wrote:
Base hardware to base hardware Mac wins over 90% of PC dealers.


I don't understand the point of this statement. Macs cost 3-4x the base cost those 90% of pc dealers. You're spinning it like its some sort of advantage.

Its more like base hardware to base hardware at the same price, Mac LOSES over 90% of PC dealers.


Read the original comment that this is in reference to - again, this is NOT a discussion of which is better or cheaper, simply that the laptop is question should not be used for comparison of what the average base-line laptop from 2009 is capable of.


What you forget is that people on this forum (particular people specifically) have nothing to talk about right now, so the default is to argue anything and everything that is said.
#19 Nov 09 2011 at 12:02 PM Rating: Good
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What you forget is that people on this forum (particular people specifically) have nothing to talk about right now, so the default is to argue anything and everything that is said.


I didn't really forget, just chose to ignore... my mistake, as you can see.
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