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#1 Nov 08 2011 at 4:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm hoping someone can help, I'm lost. I just installed my second gtx580 and I'm attempting to tri-screen my 3x 28" monitors. The nvidia surround is working great, 3dmark runs and no problems. But when I fire up the game it crashes. It doesn't give me much reason why, either. This is what I got:

Crash info:

Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
Application Name: ffxivgame.exe
Application Version: 1.0.0.0
Application Timestamp: 4ea8b338
Fault Module Name: ffxivgame.exe
Fault Module Version: 1.0.0.0
Fault Module Timestamp: 4ea8b338
Exception Code: c0000005
Exception Offset: 005f1b35
OS Version: 6.1.7600.2.0.0.256.1
Locale ID: 1033
Additional Information 1: 0a9e
Additional Information 2: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
Additional Information 3: 0a9e
Additional Information 4: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789

I'd appreciate any insight. I downloaded sli profile manager, and checked and the SLI profile is there. Not sure where to go next.
#2 Nov 08 2011 at 4:48 PM Rating: Good
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Fixed it.

5760x1200 resolution cannot handle general draw quality at 9 or 10. It must be set at 8 or below. To run at general draw quality of 9 or 10 you must lower your resolution to 5040x1050 or lower.
#3 Nov 08 2011 at 5:24 PM Rating: Good
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#4 Nov 08 2011 at 8:32 PM Rating: Default
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lol @ whoever defaulted you out of jealousy

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#5 Nov 08 2011 at 8:54 PM Rating: Decent
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#6 Nov 08 2011 at 9:35 PM Rating: Good
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pochy wrote:
defaulted?

It's the rating system though I think new posters often start out at default until they have reached a certain number of posts or been rated up a certain number of times but it's been a while since I was a new poster so I really don't recall.

And do you have 3 cards in SLI or two monitors plugged into one card and the last monitor plugged into a second card?


Edited, Nov 8th 2011 10:38pm by MrTalos
#7 Nov 08 2011 at 10:11 PM Rating: Default
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MrTalos wrote:
And do you have 3 cards in SLI or two monitors plugged into one card and the last monitor plugged into a second card?


Wrong twice? 3 monitors with 2 GPUs pushing them.
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#8 Nov 08 2011 at 10:20 PM Rating: Decent


Very nice, Pochy. I must admit that I am one of those jealous ones.
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#9 Nov 08 2011 at 10:20 PM Rating: Decent
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3 monitors and 2 gpu's. I got a gtx580 a week ago and was debating a 2nd one, but couldn't justify the $$ for taking the settings just a tiny bit higher. Then I saw someone else do this and it was a no brainer. Unfortunatley getting it to work without crashing took some time.

I just followed nvidia instructions:
http://i.imgur.com/NJi8N.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/JhZW2.jpg

Very easy to do.
#10 Nov 09 2011 at 7:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
Wrong twice? 3 monitors with 2 GPUs pushing them.

It was a question so I am not exactly sure how it could be wrong but thanks for the info. When I went back and reread the OP I noticed that he/she clearly said that they had picked up their 2nd card.
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3 monitors and 2 gpu's. I got a gtx580 a week ago and was debating a 2nd one, but couldn't justify the $$ for taking the settings just a tiny bit higher. Then I saw someone else do this and it was a no brainer. Unfortunatley getting it to work without crashing took some time.

I just followed nvidia instructions:
http://i.imgur.com/NJi8N.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/JhZW2.jpg

Very easy to do.

I've got a GTX480 but using a motherboard that only supports crossfire but it does give me incentive to upgrade.
#11 Nov 09 2011 at 10:24 AM Rating: Default
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Apparently with ATI cards you can do surround with a single card. It may be worth while to just buy an ATI card instead of buying a new mobo and another gtx480, though two gtx480's would let you take the graphics pretty high.
#12 Nov 09 2011 at 11:52 AM Rating: Good
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pochy wrote:
Apparently with ATI cards you can do surround with a single card. It may be worth while to just buy an ATI card instead of buying a new mobo and another gtx480, though two gtx480's would let you take the graphics pretty high.

I've read that Nvidia made it so you can use SLI on motherboards that don't have the nvidia chipset but I am not sure if that only applies to newer video cards. I had an ATI card. It was the ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2. The top of the line card at the time. 2 GPUs on a single card. Pretty good hardware but crap drivers. I think it was about 6 months in before I could play a game with shadows on where they didn't blink on and off like a light with a short. Getting support didn't turn out too well either. I've given up on ATI for now. The GTX480 has been pretty sweet so far. I consider seeing if my board can support two of them but the 480s still aren't cheap.

Edited, Nov 10th 2011 8:59am by MrTalos
#13 Nov 09 2011 at 11:56 AM Rating: Good
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This is quite awesome. I just bought a GTX 580.... I'm not really in the market for a 2nd but now that I know this is possible, I think I might start saving for a 2nd. Not just for FFXIV but... skyrim :D Seems pretty easy.
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This is quite awesome. I just bought a GTX 580.... I'm not really in the market for a 2nd but now that I know this is possible, I think I might start saving for a 2nd. Not just for FFXIV but... skyrim :D Seems pretty easy.


A word of forewarning, I too experienced some difficulties with FFXIV regarding 'undocumented' performance configuration issues when I switched to an SLI setup, specifically an SLI GTX460.

In my case I was not able to set the AA above 4x and run FFXIV in SLI format. Latest drivers, FFXIV profile added, windowed or not - none of that worked, it would always crash to desktop immediately after logging in and popup a directx initialization error.

I finally got it stable under SLI by dropping AA down to 4x.

Granted this might all be a moot point with 2.0 and the new engine, but the current state of FFXIV I have found to be very finicky when it comes to SLI setups.
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#15 Nov 09 2011 at 1:43 PM Rating: Decent
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I finally got it stable under SLI by dropping AA down to 4x.

Granted this might all be a moot point with 2.0 and the new engine, but the current state of FFXIV I have found to be very finicky when it comes to SLI setups.


The best way to get good performance with SLI is to only use it to enhance AA. In the control panel, go to 'Antialiasing - Mode' and select 'Enhance the application setting'. Then in the previously greyed-out 'Antialiasing - Setting' you can select a higher AA setting.

I've found this to be the best balance between performance and quality for XIV at least in it's current state.


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#16 Nov 09 2011 at 7:17 PM Rating: Default
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I'm running 8xq msaa, and every setting at max other than general draw quality, which is at 8, and i'm in SLI, and it works amazingly. I don't know what you're doing wrong other than the fact that you have lesser cards. My cards are dead even at 85% in uldah and i'm getting 45fps at the highest settings and 5760x1200 resolution, so the game can't be that poorly coded, perhaps it's just designed with higher end cards in mind. After all, the 460 is a budget card, the 480 is the high end. It would be rediculious to expect a budget card to be able to play a new game on high settings, you'd be killing the future of the game by giving less than great graphics. And I'd be pretty ****** if I bought dual 580's and your 460's could play the game just as well.
#17 Nov 09 2011 at 9:27 PM Rating: Decent
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pochy wrote:
I'm running 8xq msaa, and every setting at max other than general draw quality, which is at 8, and i'm in SLI, and it works amazingly. I don't know what you're doing wrong other than the fact that you have lesser cards. My cards are dead even at 85% in uldah and i'm getting 45fps at the highest settings and 5760x1200 resolution, so the game can't be that poorly coded, perhaps it's just designed with higher end cards in mind. After all, the 460 is a budget card, the 480 is the high end. It would be rediculious to expect a budget card to be able to play a new game on high settings, you'd be killing the future of the game by giving less than great graphics. And I'd be pretty ****** if I bought dual 580's and your 460's could play the game just as well.


Actually, if you bother to do your homework, you'd know that the 460 series *can* indeed almost match top of the line simply due to their almost 100% scaling in comparison to every other card on the market when ran in SLI mode.

Secondly, the game *is* that poorly coded. There's no point arguing it when the head honchos themselves have freely admitted it several times over.
#18 Nov 10 2011 at 3:56 AM Rating: Good
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pochy wrote:
I'm running 8xq msaa, and every setting at max other than general draw quality, which is at 8, and i'm in SLI, and it works amazingly. I don't know what you're doing wrong other than the fact that you have lesser cards. My cards are dead even at 85% in uldah and i'm getting 45fps at the highest settings and 5760x1200 resolution, so the game can't be that poorly coded, perhaps it's just designed with higher end cards in mind. After all, the 460 is a budget card, the 480 is the high end. It would be rediculious to expect a budget card to be able to play a new game on high settings, you'd be killing the future of the game by giving less than great graphics. And I'd be pretty ****** if I bought dual 580's and your 460's could play the game just as well.


Actually, if you bother to do your homework, you'd know that the 460 series *can* indeed almost match top of the line simply due to their almost 100% scaling in comparison to every other card on the market when ran in SLI mode.

Secondly, the game *is* that poorly coded. There's no point arguing it when the head honchos themselves have freely admitted it several times over.



460 vs 480 vs 580 and ATI comparables. Really depends on the resolution. I run 480 in sli and a 5040 x 1050 resolution through Matrox THtG digital. I do not run everything at MAX, but then again, the game is great on a notch or two below max, the graphics are still stunning. I am sure that MAX would be wonderful, but at these resoulutions, almost unatainable without MASSIVE upgrades, and then like has been mentioned,even top of the line computers struggle at MAX.

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#19 Nov 10 2011 at 7:19 AM Rating: Decent
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also jealous, I think you just sold me on getting a 2nd 580 and two more screens and a Mr. Fusion, that looks amazingly immersive.
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#20 Nov 10 2011 at 7:23 AM Rating: Good
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A great screenshot:
http://i.imgur.com/XDVeW.jpg

View from my chair:
http://i.imgur.com/36Upg.jpg

lights out, monitors shining brightly, it is amazingly immersive. I'm just trying to figure out hte proper angles for the monitors to best match the distortion.
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That is gorgeous,

I'm in the process of following in your footsteps :)

The angles would be fairly close to flat I believe

For the sake of immersion I don't think that would be ideal but I do not believe there is a way to adjust that (would have to be done in NVidia drivers somewhere).

But, It shouldn't matter the side monitors are intended for peripheral vision so some image distortion wouldn't be a deal killer

Immersion > IQ imo

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#22 Dec 16 2011 at 10:33 PM Rating: Decent
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sorry for the bump

tried eyefinity, couldn't get skyrim to look right with it + stuttering :(
hopefully future titles bring better support.

Edited, Dec 16th 2011 11:34pm by Levish
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#23 Dec 19 2011 at 6:15 PM Rating: Default
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Just happened to record some videos with fraps...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP5sJLXQTD0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zByk4YbR51M

I think they'll REALLY help you understand how immersive it can be. Settings are almost maxxed at 5760x1200. end monitors are at 165 degrees so it has a slight wrap around feeling, but not to much.

I had to size it down a LOT before youtube would let me do anything with it.
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