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#1 Nov 26 2011 at 3:15 PM Rating: Good
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Hello all,

I am busy levelling up via levequests (interesting/fun way to do it.. not sure its the best xp/hr, but the gil is good).

However, it is a bit lonely always being by myself, and it also means I am not practicing group tactics.

At what level is it generally considered good to start finding a party? (I know in FFXI, it was: At level 12 head to the dunes!)

Do we have that here?


Thank you!
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#2 Nov 26 2011 at 5:11 PM Rating: Good
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Two ideas:

1) Do leves and if you see someone doing them at the same camp, be proactive and invite them to duo. It makes the teens go by much faster and you might make a new acquaintance.

2) Sit in Uldah and wait for a shout... could be a while if you aren't around level 20, though.
#3 Nov 26 2011 at 7:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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2) Sit in Uldah and wait for a shout... could be a while if you aren't around level 20, though.


Quite frankly, without knowing more about the OP's server, this is terrible advice - they could be sitting there for weeks before they see anything.

Some servers have almost zero party shouts in Uld, especially for those under 40. I've yet to see a single < 30 party forming via shout in Uldah in my time playing, and I log in just about every night.

OP: your best bet is to just keep doing what you find enjoyable at this point until we see the next patch - sometime in the coming weeks. The party search and group flagging tool we have now is abysmal and it can be extremely rare to see EXP grinding groups formed outside of linkshells or friend's lists.
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#4 Nov 26 2011 at 11:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Thank you for the feedback, it is helpful!

I was kind of expecting similiar dynamics/exepctations when it came to levelling, as I found in FFXI:

-- Solo till about 12
-- Dunes till about 19 (and listen out for a shout request)
-- Jueno for the rest of your life (and listen for a shout request).

Coupled with the expectation:
If you are a WAR or DRK, wait a few hours.
If you are an RDM, get spammed on login.

(Good thing I was an RDM!)

I thought I was missing out on this behaviour and maybe doing something wrong. Perhaps the behaviour is different here in FFXIV (at least at this moment), and is more like:

Solo, LS Friends, random strangers until 30
Then head to Ul'dah, and wait for a shout request, till 50.


I guess unless things change, I'll focus on going solo across a few jobs until I'm 30, then hopefully find an LS or some party requests then.

Thank you!
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#5 Nov 27 2011 at 12:47 AM Rating: Excellent
Totally agree with what Whales said as it depends on your server. I'm on besaid as wll and Uldy is full of shouts, especially at peak times (maybe you play at off peak times a lot?). Most of the shouts are for 30+ (with the majority of them fro 40+) but you get quite a few for 20's and even for 10+. One thing I would encourage you to do though it to make parties yourself, if everyone just waited for somebody else then there would never be a party. Personally I don't really like to make parties because of all the hassle but I did it and to be honest it really pays off and people will start trusting your parties when you shout.

Edited, Nov 27th 2011 6:48am by EdyNOTB
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#6 Nov 28 2011 at 8:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Don't blind invite people to a group I find it rude. Instead send a tell asking first. I have accepted blind invites only to find a non English person I couldn't communicate with properly and it was a bit frustrating to say the least. Or sometimes I'm just doing some gathering or whatever and I get a invite. It bothers me because I will stop join and tell them I'm not needing a grp to be polite. I get this game doesn't have real great grping tools, and people probably blind invite out of frustration, BUT still think about the other person before you just invite and maybe strike up a conversation.
#7 Nov 28 2011 at 10:59 AM Rating: Good
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FFXIV is a dead game (might get better in 12 months), if that bothers you then you are in for some bad times soon. It's about to get a lot worse when pay to play is properly implemented.
#8 Nov 28 2011 at 11:10 AM Rating: Decent
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FFXIV is a dead game (might get better in 12 months), if that bothers you then you are in for some bad times soon. It's about to get a lot worse when pay to play is properly implemented.


I've been out for the last week or so and missed posting due to wife agro, but in all of my reading / catching up / update info reviews I have yet to see an announcement about the game being dead. Is this new information or are you allowing your opinion to come across as fact? The game is most definitely not dead, and the recent / upcoming changes have breathed new life into the game. While it may not yet be the raging life-force you may want/expect, teetering on the edge of oblivion as it is, FFXIV is still a game worth playing, regardless of your opinion.

As for partying - generally finding a group before 20-25 is pretty tough. Levequests and basic mob grinding can get you any class to 20 in a matter of 5-6 hours play-time, possibly longer/shorter depending on interruptions etc. Then basically just hang out in Uldah and watch for leveling parties forming up, or start one yourself. /Shout is your friend.
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#9 Nov 28 2011 at 11:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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By dead I mean very small playerbase spread over far too many servers, it's always been low and it's been getting lower and lower for a while now, pay to play will probably half that number again. There were small upsurges after updates but that was only when no cost was involved, that won't be the case when people have to pay to check out the changes.

They havent shut the game down to be properly dead but when you log on and it's deserted that's how I define a dead MMO.
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Professor Dyrwydi wrote:
Levequests and basic mob grinding can get you any class to 20 in a matter of 5-6 hours play-time, possibly longer/shorter depending on interruptions etc.


That's a bit of a stretch, especially for new players, is it not?

Granted I'm doing 1-20 now for the first time since release, and it's considerably easier, but I noticed 1-10 flew by in about 1 to 2 hours (give or take, I wasn't timing it.) However around 10 the exp slowed down tremendously and mob grinding became slower to the point of almost not worth it. I'm having trouble seeing being able to reach 20 in 3-4 hours.

Does gear still play a big role in one's ability in combat? I purchased the weapons I needed from the NPCs up to level 13, but armor is next to impossible to find. I luckily was able to craft a pair of pants, but I haven't been able to find anything to wear outside of my level 1 gear.

There's some items for sale in the class guilds, but the level 10+ versions are in excess of 15k - a cost far prohibitive for new players I feel. I've been here since beta and made millions upon millions during the great crystal selloff shortly after launch, so it's no issue to me, but I didn't see the leves I completed in reaching level 10 giving me in excess of 10k gil, let alone the 30-40k it would take to do a complete upgrade.

Or am I just putting too much emphasis on the role of gear? Regardless, my level 10 Archer doesn't exactly grind efficiently. On more than one occasion I've had an equal level mob put me at risk of death, even with a bunch of crossover abilities such as Bloodbath and Cure from my other classes. And finding groups of level 6-9 mobs to grind on is no easy feat.

Am I doing something wrong?

Edited, Nov 28th 2011 12:25pm by Whales
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#11 Nov 28 2011 at 11:48 AM Rating: Good
Whales wrote:
Professor Dyrwydi wrote:
Levequests and basic mob grinding can get you any class to 20 in a matter of 5-6 hours play-time, possibly longer/shorter depending on interruptions etc.


That's a bit of a stretch, especially for new players, is it not?

Granted I'm doing 1-20 now for the first time since release, and it's considerably easier, but I noticed 1-10 flew by in about 1 to 2 hours (give or take, I wasn't timing it.) However around 10 the exp slowed down tremendously and mob grinding became slower to the point of almost not worth it. I'm having trouble seeing being able to reach 20 in 3-4 hours.

Does gear still play a big role in one's ability in combat? I purchased the weapons I needed from the NPCs up to level 13, but armor is next to impossible to find. I luckily was able to craft a pair of pants, but I haven't been able to find anything to wear outside of my level 1 gear.

There's some items for sale in the class guilds, but the level 10+ versions are in excess of 15k - a cost far prohibitive for new players I feel. I've been here since beta and made millions upon millions during the great crystal selloff shortly after launch, so it's no issue to me, but I didn't see the leves I completed in reaching level 10 giving me in excess of 10k gil, let alone the 30-40k it would take to do a complete upgrade.

Or am I just putting too much emphasis on the role of gear? Regardless, my level 10 Archer doesn't exactly grind efficiently. On more than one occasion I've had an equal level mob put me at risk of death, even with a bunch of crossover abilities such as Bloodbath and Cure from my other classes. And finding groups of level 6-9 mobs to grind on is no easy feat.

Am I doing something wrong?

Edited, Nov 28th 2011 12:25pm by Whales


Note that I said 20 in 5-6 hours. I am not sure that you're doing anything wrong - I just began leveling Archer as well - grab CNJ till I go Cure, switched to Archer and started leve / grinding. 3 hours in I'm 14, and that is with leveling CNJ to 4 (a minor thing I assure you). Part of the key is using the leve difficulty function to raise the level of the mobs I fight to match my level (2 stars when I hit 13, etc). This was done using a Plumed Maple Shortbow that a buddy gave me (lvl10 bow with). While the bow may have given me additional advantage the rest of my gear is lvl25+ and therefore giving me no benefit. I fully expect to hit 20 in under 6 total hours played.
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#12 Nov 29 2011 at 5:33 PM Rating: Good
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Asiaine wrote:
Hello all,

I am busy levelling up via levequests (interesting/fun way to do it.. not sure its the best xp/hr, but the gil is good).

However, it is a bit lonely always being by myself, and it also means I am not practicing group tactics.

At what level is it generally considered good to start finding a party? (I know in FFXI, it was: At level 12 head to the dunes!)

Do we have that here?


Thank you!


part of the problem is the never have to party content, why party if you don't have to? MMO's are the New Anti Socialist tool. the other problem is those of us that like a good challenge are in strong holds or killing HNMs. even that gets boring so we quit a few weeks or months then come back.

the truth is this game is not worth the time you'll pour into it. there is little to no reward for doing much of anything in groups and when you do finally ding 50 on a class of your choosing to do ifrit you'll find that most players want you to have Sentinel, if you didn't choose gladiator there's another 30 levels to grind. after awhile it just gets dull and boring even in a group.
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I would say it depends on the server. I know on Selbina there are shouts all hours of the day in Uldah, and for all levels. The party style play is much different then it was in xi, so do not expect a similiar experience. I have only been in one party in 34 levels, and I found it enjoyable. It was basically pull a large link of mobs and slaughter them all. Not nearly as tactically focused as xi party play.
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#14 Nov 29 2011 at 11:55 PM Rating: Good
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.... Not nearly as tactically focused as xi party play.



That's sad :( That was one of the things I liked a lot about FFXI were the party dynamics. Looking for good combinations of players/jobs. Timing the refresh/na/debuffs/etc. Timing the backstabbing and weaponskills and MBs. Fleeing like crazy to the zone border when WHM accidentally pulls too much hate and dies.

Does anyone know if it is in the plans to make it more needed (or useful) to party?

I love the idea of leaves as a way of solo grinding and making money; combined with their regeneration rate over time is great for the casual player or someone who wants to quickly level a second job. Reminds me a bit of something I read on WoW where you get XP Boost if you do not play for a long time? But I am hoping it does not became the main way to level and usurp partying. (Perhaps SE was so concerned about appealing to casual players they lost the attraction of a good party?)

Also, how did Uldah become a hub? It is a starter city yes? (Unlike Jueno which is a 'fourth' non-starter city).

I started off in Lominisa (sp), and have yet to journey to Uldah. Perhaps I will just wait till I am 20 or 30 in several of my jobs before I go there?


Thank you all.


Edited, Nov 30th 2011 12:57am by Asiaine
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#15 Nov 30 2011 at 6:54 AM Rating: Good
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The EXP bonus alone is enough to get people to party; the last couple of months, I've seen more and more shouts for parties on Rabanastre.

Though I do notice a smaller number of players since I took a month break.

With the Class abilities getting an overhaul, and Jobs being implemented next patch, it seems like they're aware of the need for less... mind-numbing party grinds.

Edited, Nov 30th 2011 5:55am by Kirby
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#16 Dec 05 2011 at 11:22 PM Rating: Decent
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yea... there is no shout for party other than *** in my server.

even i shout in the Ul. Town. not easy to get people respond.
the LS i am in, it's US LS, however i am @ Asia area at the moment. time zone is so different.
i miss FFXI, the game some how just make people more talkative. Easier to communicate.
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