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#1 Dec 08 2011 at 5:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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The following thread located under “Updates” in the Official FINAL FANTASY XIV Forums has been updated:

[dev1251] Additional Market Features

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#2 Dec 08 2011 at 7:03 AM Rating: Good
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Its coming in dribs and drabs isn't it. I would say though that I am in favour of doing it via the search window rather than having a separate AH system.

Edited, Dec 8th 2011 8:18am by Metin
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#3 Dec 08 2011 at 7:29 AM Rating: Good
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What *IS* it with the FFXIV team's persistent hard-on for punishing the buyer in transactions? "Sorry, you really need this XYZ so go ahead and pay a surcharge on the item!" The fees need to land on the seller, NOT the buyer.

Two steps forward, three steps back.
#4 Dec 08 2011 at 7:44 AM Rating: Decent
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Will there be a way to scroll down the page to see all the sellers? Otherwise how would you know who is selling the most expensive items that will most likely be the highest grade materia, +1 gear, and +3 crafting material. Until they come out with a way to search for those items, says after 1.2, how will we be able to look for these items without having to go through every player retainer on every row with a red star.
#5 Dec 08 2011 at 8:39 AM Rating: Decent
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What *IS* it with the FFXIV team's persistent hard-on for punishing the buyer in transactions? "Sorry, you really need this XYZ so go ahead and pay a surcharge on the item!" The fees need to land on the seller, NOT the buyer.

Two steps forward, three steps back.


You do understand this is how it works in real life right? You pay for the item you want and then you pay an additional amount i.e. tax or surcharge. If you want to be technical, IRL its the seller who punishes the buyer. The seller has the tax put upon them that they have to pay and instead of them taking the hit, they just add the tax onto the product they are selling and make the buyer pay the tax.

EDIT: I'm also assuming that you would only incur this tax when it comes to items you purchase through the item search window. If you physically run to the retainer, I'd expect you to not have to pay a tax. They have probably done this to remove some of the gil floating around in peoples pockets. Levs in the old days gave out so much gil, inflation practically made gil worthless. This would be one way to remove some of the gil available to help make it actually worth something again.

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#6 Dec 08 2011 at 9:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Viertel wrote:
What *IS* it with the FFXIV team's persistent hard-on for punishing the buyer in transactions? "Sorry, you really need this XYZ so go ahead and pay a surcharge on the item!" The fees need to land on the seller, NOT the buyer.

Two steps forward, three steps back.


You are missing the point here, the seller tax that exists currently will still be there the 2% or 5% respectively. The charge that caps at 4,000 is for the retainer bringing you the item. If 4,000 to rich for your blood go in the wards and fish the item out your self.
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#7 Dec 08 2011 at 9:47 AM Rating: Good
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Blah.

I always thought it was sort of refreshing to have no price history for items. Sometimes you would get a really great deal or sometimes it would be horribly overpriced. And it prevents the RMT from fixing the history like they always did in FFXI by buying and selling items to themselves. I guess we got what we all wished for. Should be fun.

I really like buying from the search window though. super cool.
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#8 Dec 08 2011 at 10:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's a bit of an improvement over what there currently is but I still think the wards are silly. The idea of it was meh from the start and then the implementation has been a cluster mishap. If the tax were across the board that would be one thing but it just looks like they are trying their best to keep people using the wards directly rather than admitting that it was a mistake and should be swept under the rug accordingly. They can keep them for storage but it's never going to feel like a bazaar from the days of old that I assume they were going for.
#9 Dec 08 2011 at 10:57 AM Rating: Good
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So far I like the changes listed and when they add what the list under "Future Expansion of Market Features" I will be a happy Lalafell.

As for the tax, it's a convenience fee and caps at 4k. If I am short on Gil I just zone into the MW and find the Retainer. No big deal...
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swisa wrote:
You do understand this is how it works in real life right? You pay for the item you want and then you pay an additional amount i.e. tax or surcharge. If you want to be technical, IRL its the seller who punishes the buyer.


Yeah but taxes are also used to fund things IRL, if I recall correctly. This is not IRL though, so there's little point in making such comparisons.
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#11 Dec 08 2011 at 11:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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It is odd to me that they are still attempting to limit sales transactions, by additional cost or time. Buying weapons, armor, consumables I'd just deal with it, but its a bad idea when it comes to crafting.
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I actually would prefer this to a auction house FFXI style as I would have control over whom i am purchasing from.
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#13 Dec 08 2011 at 4:01 PM Rating: Decent
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KaneKitty wrote:
swisa wrote:
You do understand this is how it works in real life right? You pay for the item you want and then you pay an additional amount i.e. tax or surcharge. If you want to be technical, IRL its the seller who punishes the buyer.


Yeah but taxes are also used to fund things IRL, if I recall correctly. This is not IRL though, so there's little point in making such comparisons.


That's precisely my point: there's no reason for this. People need to stop stating "WELL THIS IS HOW IT IS IN REAL LIFE HEE HAW HEE HAW!" because the last I checked you didn't play video games to head back into the real world.

Then again, I guess it can be chalked up to the "It's an MMO, and it's SE so I should expect an awkward, half-assed solution that will penalize you somewhere(twice if they can!)."
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KaneKitty wrote:
swisa wrote:
You do understand this is how it works in real life right? You pay for the item you want and then you pay an additional amount i.e. tax or surcharge. If you want to be technical, IRL its the seller who punishes the buyer.


Yeah but taxes are also used to fund things IRL, if I recall correctly. This is not IRL though, so there's little point in making such comparisons.


Do I get a tax return in April? Wonder what I'll spend my money on...
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KaneKitty wrote:
swisa wrote:
You do understand this is how it works in real life right? You pay for the item you want and then you pay an additional amount i.e. tax or surcharge. If you want to be technical, IRL its the seller who punishes the buyer.


Yeah but taxes are also used to fund things IRL, if I recall correctly. This is not IRL though, so there's little point in making such comparisons.


They are to fund the Lalafell NPC Guards that stand there all days and nights. You know, Lalafell need food to survive.
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#16 Dec 09 2011 at 11:49 AM Rating: Good
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I always thought Lalafell survived on Hugs and Mithra Dances
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#17 Dec 09 2011 at 11:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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KaneKitty wrote:
swisa wrote:
You do understand this is how it works in real life right? You pay for the item you want and then you pay an additional amount i.e. tax or surcharge. If you want to be technical, IRL its the seller who punishes the buyer.


Yeah but taxes are also used to fund things IRL, if I recall correctly. This is not IRL though, so there's little point in making such comparisons.


They are to fund the Lalafell NPC Guards that stand there all days and nights. You know, Lalafell need food to survive.


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I always thought Lalafell survived on Hugs and Mithra Dances

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But in all seriousness, this should be acceptable enough until version 2.0 when they implement the "actual" Auction House. I can understand them not wanting to do map modifications at this time, when they will be doing it later on in 2012 anyways.

A question though, they way they said transaction history...it was confusing as to whether they are letting you see YOUR (personal) last 20 transactions, or the last 20 transaction (everyone) who purchased the item your viewing? (It would be logical to assume the latter but they worded it weird.)
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