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#1 Dec 14 2011 at 12:48 AM Rating: Decent
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Sorry if this is the wrong place... I wasn't sure if I should put this under computer building... I already have a PC about 2 or 3 years old. It can run FF14 but not well(Slow loading, and lagging while moving). I'm looking to upgrade it...my first assumption is the graphics card needs to be updated, but I wanted to know if anyone else thought something else would help more, or would be needed too.

Below is my computer info. It was a Dell Computer. And the graphics card is nvidia 8500 1 gb vram pci x16. I'm above the minimum, and just below the recommended. Running 3GB ram, with 2.4 ghz quad core..looking at my computer's performance when running the game, I feel those are not holding me back. The CPU is never even 100% being used.


-=-=-=-=-=-=- System Information -=-=-=-=-=-=-

Operating System Microsoft Windows 7 Service Pack 1 32bit (build 7601)
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
Number of Processors Logical Core Count 4 Physical Core Count 4
BIOS Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
Language English (Regional Setting: English)
Physical Memory 3070.176MB
Virtual Memory 2047.875MB
Page File 6138.637MB
Storage C:\ Hard Disk Drive Total Disk Space 455.714GB Free Disk Space 394.870GB
Storage D:\ Hard Disk Drive Total Disk Space 10.000GB Free Disk Space 5.760GB
DirectX Version DirectX 11
Graphic Device(s) NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT
+Device \\.\DISPLAY4
+Chip GeForce 8500 GT
+Maker NVIDIA
+Video Memory 1007.563 MB
+Shared Video Memory 1279.088 MB
+DAC Type Integrated RAMDAC
+Display Mode 1920 x 1200 (32 bit) (59Hz)
+Driver nvd3dum.dll,nvwgf2um.dll,nvwgf2um.dll
+Driver Version 8.17.0012.7533
+Driver Date 5/21/2011 6:01:00 AM
+Driver Language English
+Vertex Shader 3.0
+Pixel Shader 3.0
+Vertex Texture Supported

Can anyone give me any good ideas on what I can upgrade with and get decent performance? I'm not looking to run the game at its highest settings. Just the standard ones would be great.

Thanks
#2 Dec 14 2011 at 1:54 AM Rating: Good
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Actually your system is below the minimum specs due to your graphics card. Like you said it is mainly the graphics card holding you back. I had the same CPU with a much better graphics card and it ran smoothly. As for what to upgrade to it depends on how much you are willing to spend towards your upgrade. There is a chance you might need to upgrade your PSU to support a newer graphics card.
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#3 Dec 14 2011 at 5:22 AM Rating: Decent
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Definitely need a GPU upgrade. ATI/AMD 5770 or better or nVidia GTX 460 or better depending on which brand you like. As was stated earlier, you might need a power supply upgrade also to cover yourself. How large is the power supply you have currently.

As for your CPU, you'll never get XIV to use 100% of it. You'd still benefit from upgrading that as well, but it would depend on your budget what to get because it would likely require you to upgrade your motherboard and possibly RAM as well.

Post back with a budget and I could make some better suggestions.
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#4 Dec 14 2011 at 8:09 AM Rating: Good
With that core, why are you on a 32-bit system. You should have 64bit operating software. (Memory is not utilized completely in systems that are 32 bit).

My wife runs the same processor on a 64bit with a gtx 460. 650 watt psu, and yes, it is a dell board. She says that the game runs very well on 1680x1050 (22inch monitor) with high settings (not highest).

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#5 Dec 14 2011 at 9:50 AM Rating: Good
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River75, Tarutaru Murder Suspect wrote:
With that core, why are you on a 32-bit system. You should have 64bit operating software. (Memory is not utilized completely in systems that are 32 bit).

I agree that people should be running Win7, but not for the fact that it isn't utilizing enough RAM. XIV isn't RAM intensive so being short the .9ish GB isn't going to be noticeable.
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#6 Dec 14 2011 at 11:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
River75, Tarutaru Murder Suspect wrote:
With that core, why are you on a 32-bit system. You should have 64bit operating software. (Memory is not utilized completely in systems that are 32 bit).

I agree that people should be running Win7, but not for the fact that it isn't utilizing enough RAM. XIV isn't RAM intensive so being short the .9ish GB isn't going to be noticeable.

OP states that they're only running 3 GB, so a 64 bit system isn't really necessary.
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#7 Dec 14 2011 at 12:02 PM Rating: Good
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AngusX wrote:
FilthMcNasty wrote:
River75, Tarutaru Murder Suspect wrote:
With that core, why are you on a 32-bit system. You should have 64bit operating software. (Memory is not utilized completely in systems that are 32 bit).

I agree that people should be running Win7, but not for the fact that it isn't utilizing enough RAM. XIV isn't RAM intensive so being short the .9ish GB isn't going to be noticeable.

OP states that they're only running 3 GB, so a 64 bit system isn't really necessary.

I thought that looked funny...

Anywho, my point was that even if he had 8GB in a system that only utilizes ~3.1GB he still wouldn't use all of that just from running XIV.
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#8 Dec 14 2011 at 12:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok guys... my budget? I'd like to spend less than 200 dollars. But if I need to upgrade my power supply , I'm not sure if that's even possible. So what ever the minimum I can spend be, without endangering my computer, would be great. I have a 350 W power supply, which I assume is too low now? So for 460 GTX, do I need a larger power supply and if so, does anyone have a power supply recommendation? Never upgraded my powersupply before so I'm not sure if other things need to be upgraded to do that, or how much I should spend on it...
#9 Dec 14 2011 at 1:46 PM Rating: Good
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zuogehaomeng wrote:
Ok guys... my budget? I'd like to spend less than 200 dollars. But if I need to upgrade my power supply , I'm not sure if that's even possible. So what ever the minimum I can spend be, without endangering my computer, would be great. I have a 350 W power supply, which I assume is too low now? So for 460 GTX, do I need a larger power supply and if so, does anyone have a power supply recommendation? Never upgraded my powersupply before so I'm not sure if other things need to be upgraded to do that, or how much I should spend on it...


Unfortunately you won't be able to do much with $200. Your PC is pretty out of date, and you'd probably be better off just getting a new one. If you would want to stick with just upgrading however, instead of getting a new PC, then you would have to upgrade your PSU and your video card, and possibly your CPU heatsink (I'll explain later).

You were right to assume that your 350w isn't going to be enough. For a 460 GTX, you're going to want at least a 450w. As far as your CPU goes, the reason why it doesn't go to 100% is because FFXIV doesn't really utilize more than two of your four cores. So just because you don't see it hit 100% doesn't mean your CPU isn't holding you back. There's a somewhat easy way of fixing this though without replacing your CPU. If you were to purchase a better heatsink cooler for your CPU, you could then overclock it to somewhere around 3.0ghz+ (depends on the speed of your RAM). Overclocking increases your CPU speed, but also increases its heat output as well. Generally, the higher the overclock the worse the temps get (as you increase the voltages and whatnot). By getting a better cooler for your CPU to deal with the increased heat output, you can allow yourself to get some mild overclocks which will result in an increased speed for your CPU, which alongside the 460 video card should allow you to get some significantly better performance.

But again, it's better to invest in a new PC than to just keep pouring money into an old one I think. :/
#10 Dec 14 2011 at 3:15 PM Rating: Good
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zuogehaomeng wrote:
Ok guys... my budget? I'd like to spend less than 200 dollars. But if I need to upgrade my power supply , I'm not sure if that's even possible. So what ever the minimum I can spend be, without endangering my computer, would be great. I have a 350 W power supply, which I assume is too low now? So for 460 GTX, do I need a larger power supply and if so, does anyone have a power supply recommendation? Never upgraded my powersupply before so I'm not sure if other things need to be upgraded to do that, or how much I should spend on it...


You can pick up a GPU and a PSU for $200 bucks, but my best suggestion is just to tough it out for a while until you can save up more dough. The amount of performance you get scales upward by quite a bit even if you are only willing to toss another $50-$100 in at a later date.

This GPU(when it's in stock) along with this PSU will put you at around $250.

EVGA is probably the best company I've purchased parts from, they have great forums if you ever have questions, limited lifetime warranty with good RMA service and they also offer a step-up program that allows you to trade up within (I think) 6 months. That way if you decide you want something even better you can get the full price you paid toward a new one.

The PSU is larger than you need but it's 80+, it's a single rail design which a lot of builders prefer and it would cover you if you decided to use the step-up program and get a better GPU some time down the line.

Like nekro said, with a bigger GPU comes more heat and you'd want to make sure you had a case with good airflow. I think you could get it done for around $300 after rebates if you're set on doing it asap. Otherwise, the best option is to just save up and invest in a new build.


Edited, Dec 14th 2011 4:18pm by FilthMcNasty
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#11 Dec 14 2011 at 3:35 PM Rating: Good
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You can cheap out on a GPU as long as it's within spec... just don't cheap out on a PSU. The one Filth listed is pretty good, Kingwin and Antec also make pretty reliable "budget" PSUs as well. I know a lot of people had good things to say about Apevia too, but I don't personally know any one with their PSUs, but I run a few of their other products. Newegg does have a PSU sale going on right now. Wouldn't be a bad idea to buy a good PSU now and save up for a bit better GPU. On a budget I'd definately lean towards AMD as you'll get a bit more bang for your buck, usually.

Plus a good PSU can last you multiple PC generations, pretty much the only thing guarantee'd to make it in an upgrade other than the case ;)
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#12 Dec 14 2011 at 7:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Filth, thanks for the recommendations. I think the PSU looks pretty good there, but I am probaly going to cheap out on the gpu. I am really only upgrading for this game, and just want to get it right on the recommended for graphics. I'll probaly get a 2nd PC in the next year, because I'm recently married and we really need two because we both work on a computer alot. Going to my local stores.(I will buy this online, but I like to window shop in the stores) I saw these two cards similarly priced to the GTX 460 there. A Radeon HD 6570 1GB, and Nvidia Gt520 2gb. Would these match or exceed the recommended specs?
#13 Dec 14 2011 at 7:24 PM Rating: Excellent
I run a GTX 460 on a 550w PSU can pick those both up for about 250 bucks maybe less depending on sales or whatever. pretty close to your budget

edit: wow talk about not reading posts my bad already answered. i agree with evga for the GPU, I peronally use Corsair for my PSU and have had no issues whatsoever with either

Edited, Dec 14th 2011 8:25pm by StateAlchemist
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#14 Dec 14 2011 at 7:26 PM Rating: Good
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zuogehaomeng wrote:
Filth, thanks for the recommendations. I think the PSU looks pretty good there, but I am probaly going to cheap out on the gpu. I am really only upgrading for this game, and just want to get it right on the recommended for graphics. I'll probaly get a 2nd PC in the next year, because I'm recently married and we really need two because we both work on a computer alot. Going to my local stores.(I will buy this online, but I like to window shop in the stores) I saw these two cards similarly priced to the GTX 460 there. A Radeon HD 6570 1GB, and Nvidia Gt520 2gb. Would these match or exceed the recommended specs?


The 520 is below the 460. Graphic cards have a different ranking system. Usually the first number is the series number and the following numbers are how good in that series they rank. The Radeon is also below a 460. I would recommend this list for the comparison between cards and where they rank Here.
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#15 Dec 14 2011 at 11:41 PM Rating: Decent
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zuogehaomeng wrote:
Filth, thanks for the recommendations. I think the PSU looks pretty good there, but I am probaly going to cheap out on the gpu. I am really only upgrading for this game, and just want to get it right on the recommended for graphics. I'll probaly get a 2nd PC in the next year, because I'm recently married and we really need two because we both work on a computer alot. Going to my local stores.(I will buy this online, but I like to window shop in the stores) I saw these two cards similarly priced to the GTX 460 there. A Radeon HD 6570 1GB, and Nvidia Gt520 2gb. Would these match or exceed the recommended specs?


I understand that you want to shop around and it's possible that you'll find something cheaper, but I chose the GPU I did because it's the lowest GPU recommend for running the game well.

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HDD/SDD: Installation: 15GB of free space; Download: 6GB of free space on the drive containing "My Documents"
Graphics Card: NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 460 or better with VRAM 768MB or more


As shadowspell said, the numbers can be a bit tricky. The first number is the series. Basically all of the 4xx for nVidia are from one model of GPU and the same for the ATI 5xxx or 6xxx.

Think of the second number is like a rating that goes up on a scale from zero to nine. 0-4 range are the entry level GPUs, 5-6 will be for average people who want more features and a bit of performance, and the 7-9 are for people who want the overclocked/liquidcooled crank the settings up and laugh GPUs.

4xx series nVidia cards are all more powerful than their 5xxx counterparts from ATI. That's why you can get away with a 460(average) from nVidia but need a 5770(lower high-end) from ATI.


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#16 Dec 15 2011 at 12:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Sorry, I saw a GTX 460 700ish mb ram at a store for 111 dollars. So I was thinking the one you showed me was a higher end model. And I wanted to be sure there wasn't anything better or cheaper out now, since most of the 400 models I saw put away in the stores, and alot of 500 models out. I wasn't sure of the differences.
#17 Dec 15 2011 at 5:17 AM Rating: Decent
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zuogehaomeng wrote:
Sorry, I saw a GTX 460 700ish mb ram at a store for 111 dollars. So I was thinking the one you showed me was a higher end model. And I wanted to be sure there wasn't anything better or cheaper out now, since most of the 400 models I saw put away in the stores, and alot of 500 models out. I wasn't sure of the differences.


Actually, it is a higher end model. The one I listed has 1GB of RAM and the one you saw has 758 MB of RAM. I don't know which one you saw but it's also possible that the one I listed runs at a higher frequency as well. The one you saw is good enough to run XIV well, but I pointed out the EVGA card because of the support(forums and RMA), the warranty and the step-up program.

The 5xx models are the newer versions of the 4xx basically. They have a few more processing cores and start out at a higher clock speed than the 4xx, but the performance is comparable. I'm not sure why they went to a new series though. Possibly these are the smaller chip architecture, but the 480s I use currently are more than I'd ever need for any new games so I haven't kept up.
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#18 Dec 15 2011 at 6:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Chk out Newegg. You can get a PSU and a 6770 for $200 or less. Bout to get the same for my GFs PC.
#19 Dec 15 2011 at 7:28 AM Rating: Good
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
River75, Tarutaru Murder Suspect wrote:
With that core, why are you on a 32-bit system. You should have 64bit operating software. (Memory is not utilized completely in systems that are 32 bit).

I agree that people should be running Win7, but not for the fact that it isn't utilizing enough RAM. XIV isn't RAM intensive so being short the .9ish GB isn't going to be noticeable.

OP states that they're only running 3 GB, so a 64 bit system isn't really necessary.


Yes, you are right, it is not necessary, but why not. You are gimping your system and not running it as intended or designed by staying with 32 bit OS. Sorry, just my opinion. (64 bit architecture makes full use of PCI-e, USB-3, and other modern peripherals)

With that being said, FFXIV is not optimized to run on the 64bit architecture, and for that matter, only now in the last couple of years are more programmers going to that architecture.

To the OP, don't worry about it, the info is just more of a FYI. When you get the upgraded PSU, around 550 watt or better, and the gtx460 (look on ebay also, many ppl upgrade quickly and sell their barely used cards there for cheaper)you will see hugh performance increases. A 200 budget is tight but very doable.
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#20 Dec 15 2011 at 11:24 AM Rating: Decent
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River75, Tarutaru Murder Suspect wrote:
AngusX wrote:
FilthMcNasty wrote:
River75, Tarutaru Murder Suspect wrote:
With that core, why are you on a 32-bit system. You should have 64bit operating software. (Memory is not utilized completely in systems that are 32 bit).

I agree that people should be running Win7, but not for the fact that it isn't utilizing enough RAM. XIV isn't RAM intensive so being short the .9ish GB isn't going to be noticeable.

OP states that they're only running 3 GB, so a 64 bit system isn't really necessary.


Yes, you are right, it is not necessary, but why not. You are gimping your system and not running it as intended or designed by staying with 32 bit OS. Sorry, just my opinion. (64 bit architecture makes full use of PCI-e, USB-3, and other modern peripherals)


He's not gimping anything. As to your question of why not...

1) As stated previously...
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2) 32-bit windows systems allow use of up to 3.1GB of RAM. He only has 3GB so even if he did run the programs required to use up that much physical memory, XIV not being one of them, he wouldn't be limited by it anyway.

3) Budget. Windows 7 would take up the majority of his budget and provide absolutely no benefit because as stated above, he would have to have more RAM to reach the limit.

4) Being that his CPU is an older model, I'm almost 100% sure he doesn't have USB 3.0 and I'm not sure what PCI bandwidth has to do with anything.

The only reason he would have to upgrade his OS is if it were causing problems, but it isn't. 64-bit Windows is great and all, but with the hardware he currently has it's last on the list of things he could upgrade to get a performance boost.

Edited, Dec 15th 2011 12:26pm by FilthMcNasty
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#21 Dec 15 2011 at 4:14 PM Rating: Excellent
@ FilthMcnasty

Normally I quietly fade out of the conversation, and after this comment I will do the same, and I understand why I do. You always have a habit of reading what you want out of conversations and not looking at the facts or the details expressed within them. Now, let me clarify my statements as before:

(1) I did not tell the OP to get the 64 bit system (although most ppl can upgrade without any additional costs since he has Windows 7 already).
(2) Although the OP has 3Gb of memory, it is not utilized like it should be with that processor. Now, quoting from howtogeek.com (which was verified through Intel's (r) own website and statements)
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•You’ll see increased efficiency. Not only can you install more RAM in your system (easily as much as your motherboard can support) you’ll also see more efficient use of that RAM. Because of the nature of the 64-bit address system in the register and how Windows 64-bit allocates memory you’ll see less of your system memory chewed up by secondary systems (like your video card). Although you may only double the physical amount of RAM in your machine it will feel like way more than that because of the new efficiency of your system.
•Your computer will be able to allocated more virtual memory per process. Under 32-bit architecture Windows is limited to assigning 2GB of memory to an application. Modern games, video and photo editing applications, and hungry applications like virtual machines, crave large chunks of memory. Under 64-bit systems they can have, brace yourself for another big theoretical number, up to 8TB of virtual memory. That’s more than enough for even the craziest of Photoshop editing and Crysis sessions. On top of the more efficient use and allocation of memory, applications optimized for 64-bit operating systems, such as Photoshop and Virtualbox, are super fast and take full advantage of the spaciousness of the processor and memory afforded to them.
•You’ll enjoy advanced security features. Windows 64-bit with a modern 64-bit processor enjoys additional protections not available to 32-bit users. These protections include the aforementioned hardware D.E.P., as well as Kernel Patch Protection that protects you against kernel exploits, and device drivers must be digitally signed which cuts down on the incident of driver-related infections


So yes, he is limited, but the benefits of the 64bit architecture still outweigh the cons.
(3) The OP's board and processor was designed for said architecture, I was just curious as to why he did not have it.
(4) As far as the bandwith comment and USB 3, it was informational only. Not intended as anything other than that, see the quote above.

So to be fair, when I comment, I do my research, I have a decent idea of what I am talking about. I am in no way an expert, but please, stop confusing the issue, read the posters comments before you downgrade or attack what they have to say. I am not saying that you do not have valid points and do not provide a lot of help in these forums (because you do), but a lot of times, your information is "lacking" and not very well supported.

Again, I know this sounds like a personal attack on you, trust me it is not, but I have seen you (and others) post contradicting information way too much on others like myself that provide sound evidence based advice and opinions (<-- note the key word here, opinions).

Again, I am not going to comment any further here, because I do not want to start a lashing war, and I do respect all the help you do give other users here.

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#22 Dec 15 2011 at 11:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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@ FilthMcnasty

Again, I am not going to comment any further here, because I do not want to start a lashing war, and I do respect all the help you do give other users here.


Sorry if it seemed like I was trying to war with you. I'm not against your idea, I just think it isn't really a high priority on the list of things he could upgrade to get better performance.
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#23 Dec 16 2011 at 1:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for your help guys, I'm going to get the battery you showed me Filth and I picked up a GTX 460 768MB at a bestbuy for 111. I'm looking at cases but do you guys fill its really necessary?
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zuogehaomeng wrote:
Thanks for your help guys, I'm going to get the battery you showed me Filth and I picked up a GTX 460 768MB at a bestbuy for 111. I'm looking at cases but do you guys fill its really necessary?


A case with good airflow would keep everything cooler, but probably not necessary for now. You can get software to monitor your temperatures and make a decision from that, but it probably isn't a big deal for now.
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30 bucks is almost free

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#25 Dec 16 2011 at 2:14 AM Rating: Decent
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thanks, ill download a temp monitor and watch it. I just bought that psu, 3 day shipping, so hopefully I can install everything soon and my whole machine doesn't blow up on me :).

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you can get a really good GTX560 2 gig ddr5 for about $129. i saw a few at best buy just the other day
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How do people feel about SLI? Has anyone really noticed any dramatic improvement when using 2 cards in SLI? Would you recommend going with a single newer, higher end card over 2 in SLI that are slightly older? Thanks.

Edit - This only applies to performance in FFXIV.

Edited, Dec 16th 2011 11:11am by drunktexan
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#28 Dec 16 2011 at 12:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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How do people feel about SLI? Has anyone really noticed any dramatic improvement when using 2 cards in SLI? Would you recommend going with a single newer, higher end card over 2 in SLI that are slightly older? Thanks.

Edit - This only applies to performance in FFXIV.

Edited, Dec 16th 2011 11:11am by drunktexan


I'm running two GTX460s in SLI. There was a performance gain in FFXIV, as to how much it's difficult for me to say - I don't play a tremendous amount to directly notice any drastic differences between a single 460 and SLI. Most other games have been just fantastic since upgrading though.

Of course I'm also running a Phenom II X4 955 OC'd to 3.8 so I've got a bit of a bottleneck in my CPU in regard to SLI performance gain, so I'm not the best example.

As to your first question, most people say that 1 card is better than 2, and it's true: there can be a lot of issues that crop up with SLI and game SLI support. But I purchased the 460 originally planning to SLI and the cost was quite a bit better to pick up another 460 as opposed to an equal-level performance single card.

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#29 Dec 16 2011 at 3:21 PM Rating: Default
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I was looking at this card http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=A4136068&~ck=baynoteSearch&baynote_bnrank=6&baynote_irrank=0 to start with and a new mother board and cpu in a few months. My mother board has pci-e X16 and the card is pci-e 2.0 so i was wondering if the card is going to work.






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drunktexan wrote:
How do people feel about SLI? Has anyone really noticed any dramatic improvement when using 2 cards in SLI? Would you recommend going with a single newer, higher end card over 2 in SLI that are slightly older? Thanks.

Edit - This only applies to performance in FFXIV.


In order to get most out of SLI you have to change the profile for FFXIV. I don't remember the exact steps off the top of my head but a quick google search should yield you the answer. This is of course assuming they havent fixed the profile in a newer driver which I doubt they would have.
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drunktexan wrote:
How do people feel about SLI? Has anyone really noticed any dramatic improvement when using 2 cards in SLI? Would you recommend going with a single newer, higher end card over 2 in SLI that are slightly older? Thanks.

Edit - This only applies to performance in FFXIV.


SLI doesn't show any real performance gains in XIV. The best thing to use a second GPU for is to enhance AA. Your best option is to use the best single GPU you can unless you plan on playing a multi-monitor setup or using 3D Vision.

shadowspell wrote:
In order to get most out of SLI you have to change the profile for FFXIV. I don't remember the exact steps off the top of my head but a quick google search should yield you the answer.



Change 'Antialiasing - Mode' to 'Enhance the application settings' then change 'Antialiasing - Setting' to your preference of AA. Also, change your 'SLI rendering mode' to 'Alternate Frame Rate 2'.
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Below is my computer info. It was a Dell Computer. And the graphics card is nvidia 8500 1 gb vram pci x16. I'm above the minimum, and just below the recommended. Running 3GB ram, with 2.4 ghz quad core..looking at my computer's performance when running the game, I feel those are not holding me back. The CPU is never even 100% being used.


All 4 cores may not be but the main process can max out pretty much anything, like most MMO's FFXIV will scale well with additional processor power.

But you will get more bang for your buck with a video card upgrade, but i would not rule out something better, a 2500k running over 4 ghz would probably be a 100% improvement or close to it (after factoring IPC improvements vs a stock clocked q6600). Supposedly the next gen would be a further 25% (even higher clock potential and IPC allegedly) which is a few months away.
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#33 Dec 17 2011 at 12:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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drunktexan wrote:
How do people feel about SLI? Has anyone really noticed any dramatic improvement when using 2 cards in SLI? Would you recommend going with a single newer, higher end card over 2 in SLI that are slightly older? Thanks.

Edit - This only applies to performance in FFXIV.


SLI doesn't show any real performance gains in XIV. The best thing to use a second GPU for is to enhance AA. Your best option is to use the best single GPU you can unless you plan on playing a multi-monitor setup or using 3D Vision.

shadowspell wrote:
In order to get most out of SLI you have to change the profile for FFXIV. I don't remember the exact steps off the top of my head but a quick google search should yield you the answer.



Change 'Antialiasing - Mode' to 'Enhance the application settings' then change 'Antialiasing - Setting' to your preference of AA. Also, change your 'SLI rendering mode' to 'Alternate Frame Rate 2'.



I run SLI on two 480's, but then again, I am pushing three monitors at a resolution of 5040 x 1050, and still FFXIV can bring it to it's knees in ULDAH and stormy weather.

Now I had run on a single card and noticed a slight increase in performance, and a higher increase when I overclocked the processor, still I see others with much better systems than that of mine which still struggle with the game. Had FFXIV been a winner at launch, video card designers could have used their graphics engine as a testing medium for the cards.

Unless you have a great deal on SLI cards, then go for it, just make sure that your PSU can handle the SLI configuration. Also, I only run NVIDIA cards and have no advice on ATI. (BTW, I have heard that FFXIV does not make use of the memory on the second card, could not verify this though)

FilthMcNasty, what does the "Alternate Frame Rate 2" do? Does it help in the rendering?
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River75, Tarutaru Murder Suspect wrote:
(BTW, I have heard that FFXIV does not make use of the memory on the second card, could not verify this though)

FilthMcNasty, what does the "Alternate Frame Rate 2" do? Does it help in the rendering?


I'm not sure about the memory, but I could never get full usage from my GPUs in normal SLI. AFR alternates the rendering back and forth between so that one GPU renders the odd frames and the other does the evens.
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
River75, Tarutaru Murder Suspect wrote:
(BTW, I have heard that FFXIV does not make use of the memory on the second card, could not verify this though)

FilthMcNasty, what does the "Alternate Frame Rate 2" do? Does it help in the rendering?


I'm not sure about the memory, but I could never get full usage from my GPUs in normal SLI. AFR alternates the rendering back and forth between so that one GPU renders the odd frames and the other does the evens.



Hmmm, I will have to try this and see if it helps
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River75, Tarutaru Murder Suspect wrote:
FilthMcNasty wrote:
River75, Tarutaru Murder Suspect wrote:
(BTW, I have heard that FFXIV does not make use of the memory on the second card, could not verify this though)

FilthMcNasty, what does the "Alternate Frame Rate 2" do? Does it help in the rendering?


I'm not sure about the memory, but I could never get full usage from my GPUs in normal SLI. AFR alternates the rendering back and forth between so that one GPU renders the odd frames and the other does the evens.



Hmmm, I will have to try this and see if it helps
Thanks

Yup. If you really want to push your GPUs then you can set the 'Antialiasing - Setting' option to something way up there like 32x or 64x CSAA. For me, it's a cheaper heating option than the unit I have running in the house XD
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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#37 Dec 17 2011 at 6:52 PM Rating: Good
FilthMcNasty wrote:

Yup. If you really want to push your GPUs then you can set the 'Antialiasing - Setting' option to something way up there like 32x or 64x CSAA. For me, it's a cheaper heating option than the unit I have running in the house XD



Haha, no kidding. I have to have seperate a/c to keep mine cool. But then again, I have two of the hottest cards around, the 480's.
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Psh. Should see how two OC'd Hex Core Xeons and two ATI 5970s heat up a room. It's been below 0F here at night and if I could run that thing it wouldn't be cold in here at all. Too much electricity usage for someone without a job though.
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Installed everything and now the game runs great! Thanks guys for the help.
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Installed everything and now the game runs great! Thanks guys for the help.


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