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#52 Jan 05 2012 at 3:28 AM Rating: Good
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The real tragedy is that the simple inclusion of 2 *key* components everyone pretty much *expects* in a modern MMORPG : #1: Auction House , #2: Mailbox , would have kept (from leaving) many, MANY, players who have already quit months ago or those who have pretty much made up their mind that they aren't paying once subscriptions start. Despite all the significant improvements that have been made since the initial pile-of-**** that was originally introduced back in Sept. 2010, it is completely baffling that after all this time, we still don't have an AH or Mailbox in this game. I want to walk into the developers' meeting for this game and knock each of them on the head saying "hello? McFly? hello ????" . I honestly have no doubt in my mind that the current server populations would be noticably higher right now if an AH and Mailbox were in the game at the start or at least implemented a long time ago. This is really a shame and really just makes you shake your head.

That being said, I have about 3 months of Crysta that I set up when the CE version of this game was released, and it's been free up til now so I figure I will stay to see what 1.21 has to offer. I'm cautiously optimistic that jobs and new content can breath some new life into the game. Also hoping the eventual server mergers help the online experience as well.

Edited, Jan 5th 2012 1:28am by zpanda
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#53 Jan 05 2012 at 5:23 AM Rating: Excellent
They have said many times that the Auction House (and Mailbox as well I think) will be introduced in Version 2.0. It's no question they messed up not havign them from the start, however they explained that the way the current server system works (r something) it would be down-right stupid to try and implement them now, as they are planning to redo the server structure (or something). Chalk it up to stupidity, drop the hammer, and leave the dead horse to rot and move on. What we have now is the closest we can expect to get to an Auction House before v2.0.
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#54 Jan 05 2012 at 8:01 AM Rating: Good
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zpanda wrote:
The real tragedy is that the simple inclusion of 2 *key* components everyone pretty much *expects* in a modern MMORPG : #1: Auction House , #2: Mailbox , would have kept (from leaving) many, MANY, players who have already quit months ago or those who have pretty much made up their mind that they aren't paying once subscriptions start. Despite all the significant improvements that have been made since the initial pile-of-**** that was originally introduced back in Sept. 2010, it is completely baffling that after all this time, we still don't have an AH or Mailbox in this game. I want to walk into the developers' meeting for this game and knock each of them on the head saying "hello? McFly? hello ????" . I honestly have no doubt in my mind that the current server populations would be noticably higher right now if an AH and Mailbox were in the game at the start or at least implemented a long time ago. This is really a shame and really just makes you shake your head.

That being said, I have about 3 months of Crysta that I set up when the CE version of this game was released, and it's been free up til now so I figure I will stay to see what 1.21 has to offer. I'm cautiously optimistic that jobs and new content can breath some new life into the game. Also hoping the eventual server mergers help the online experience as well.

Edited, Jan 5th 2012 1:28am by zpanda


Seriously those two things do not make a big difference. A rubbish game is still rubbish with them, a good game is still good without them. The market system we have now can be improved upon in a few places but you can buy/store and sell what you want to easily. I spend less time there than I have in other games. A little more to do end game and I would have no complaints. More dungeons and new jobs promised in the next patch should fix that.
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#55 Jan 05 2012 at 8:03 AM Rating: Good
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StateAlchemist of Amestris wrote:
They have said many times that the Auction House (and Mailbox as well I think) will be introduced in Version 2.0. It's no question they messed up not havign them from the start, however they explained that the way the current server system works (r something) it would be down-right stupid to try and implement them now, as they are planning to redo the server structure (or something). Chalk it up to stupidity, drop the hammer, and leave the dead horse to rot and move on. What we have now is the closest we can expect to get to an Auction House before v2.0.



Mail is coming 2.0
Auction House functions will start to be released at 1.20, with major changes occurring at 2.0 as well.

Source: http://wdl.square-enix.com/ffxiv/download/en/FFXIV_2.0_Systems_and_Content_EN.pdf

Lots of exciting new things in there. Check it out.
#56 Jan 05 2012 at 10:30 AM Rating: Decent
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zpanda wrote:
The real tragedy is that the simple inclusion of 2 *key* components everyone pretty much *expects* in a modern MMORPG : #1: Auction House , #2: Mailbox

Edited, Jan 5th 2012 1:28am by zpanda

Really? People play an MMO just to Auction House and use Email?

Wow... I guess my reasons for playing XIV/XI/STO over the years is because of the above...

People quit because.. well there was endless amount of posts back in the day and that damage is done. Those reasons were the exact reasons why the game had such bad reviews and most of those reviews didnt mention Mailbox and as for the Auction House it was for a split second mentioned "Oh by the way there is no Auction House - next topic"....
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Urste wrote:
StateAlchemist of Amestris wrote:
They have said many times that the Auction House (and Mailbox as well I think) will be introduced in Version 2.0. It's no question they messed up not havign them from the start, however they explained that the way the current server system works (r something) it would be down-right stupid to try and implement them now, as they are planning to redo the server structure (or something). Chalk it up to stupidity, drop the hammer, and leave the dead horse to rot and move on. What we have now is the closest we can expect to get to an Auction House before v2.0.



Mail is coming 2.0
Auction House functions will start to be released at 1.20, with major changes occurring at 2.0 as well.

Source: http://wdl.square-enix.com/ffxiv/download/en/FFXIV_2.0_Systems_and_Content_EN.pdf

Lots of exciting new things in there. Check it out.



Just read through that list... If the mail system is the highlight of that then please do not speak to me ever again!

Oh and wandering Odin primal with better gear after each drop? :O
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#58 Jan 05 2012 at 10:50 AM Rating: Good
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I think the absence of a mail and Auction House were things that just added to the hurt, but I don't think suddenly implementing them would suddenly make this a triple A quality game.

What personally turned me off at the beginning and had me stop playing for a few months was the lack of content. Seriously, I spent the first day of launch looking for NMs, or NPC quests, or something. I thought they were hidden off in special corners or something. Nope, nothing there. It was a big world of nothing, and that's what was my big beef I had with it.

Of course, as you all know, there were many other problems in the game at launch that were broken or unfinished, but the above was the dealbreaker for me. Lack of content.

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#59 Jan 05 2012 at 3:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Well i dont think the lack of AH or mail system really made tons of people quit, but after seeing how horrible the game was at launch, people would be like "It does not even has an AH or Mail system"
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#60 Jan 05 2012 at 3:30 PM Rating: Good
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No mail system sucks.

But there is an AH. It just functions slightly differently. But is at it's core the same thing.

I'll be staying with XIV.
#61 Jan 05 2012 at 4:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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(We are also planning to add a lot of spells to the currently existing classes at the time of 2.0.)


yoshi said this here

If this is the case I may give 2.0 a shot, cause I don't even want to try playing with the way the abilities/spells are now.

Edited, Jan 5th 2012 2:18pm by Olorinus
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#62 Jan 05 2012 at 4:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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(We are also planning to add a lot of spells to the currently existing classes at the time of 2.0.)

Thanks, I had missed that myself. This gives me more hope for 2.0. While CNJ seems to play just fine now, I miss having more abilities for different situations.
#63 Jan 05 2012 at 9:56 PM Rating: Good
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I never could get ff14 to work on my pc it was just too much of a hog so i was unable to play even when it was free but i do have a ps3 now so i will just wait for that.
#64 Jan 05 2012 at 10:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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These are some depressing numbers. Only 33% definitively staying... Call it a generous 50% and Bodhum would still be down under 150 people during prime time. That's just depressing.
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#65 Jan 05 2012 at 10:20 PM Rating: Decent
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I thought it was announced that they were doing a server merge as soon as they saw what the pop. numbers were after it went p2p...

So it won't be 150 for long.
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#66 Jan 06 2012 at 1:16 AM Rating: Good
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I'm moving on. I enjoyed most of my time in Eorzea but I've come to realize that I don't click with Yoshi-P's version of ffxiv. I enjoyed all the updates or at least understood them until 1.18. I'd rather be playing Tanaka's FFXIV just fixed and fleshed out. The new battle system is far to slow for me. The class and job changes sounded exciting once upon a time but the actuality of it was a major turn off. I'm not very excited to do a quests for abilities I already had and I can't get very excited for a title change. I was thrilled to finally play a game where I genuinely enjoyed the mages. At 1.20, that love ended.

I'll likely try out 2.0 but I'm thinking of retiring from MMOs.
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#67 Jan 06 2012 at 1:34 AM Rating: Good
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I am going to wait till Version 2.0 comes out. If it is awesome then great I will stay. Fun time! If not then I will simply move on.
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#68 Jan 06 2012 at 12:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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Put me down for returning when 2.0 hits. Hopefully then it will feel like I am starting a new game with much anticipation.
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I'm moving on. I enjoyed most of my time in Eorzea but I've come to realize that I don't click with Yoshi-P's version of ffxiv. I enjoyed all the updates or at least understood them until 1.18. I'd rather be playing Tanaka's FFXIV just fixed and fleshed out. The new battle system is far to slow for me. The class and job changes sounded exciting once upon a time but the actuality of it was a major turn off. I'm not very excited to do a quests for abilities I already had and I can't get very excited for a title change. I was thrilled to finally play a game where I genuinely enjoyed the mages. At 1.20, that love ended.


Yeah, I feel you here. I felt like 1.19 was a huge step backwards and the new ability changes just went further in that direction. Too much dumbing down for me.

If anything I actually really miss the game that was. I know a lot of people didn't like the "button mashing" but I actually really liked reactive abilities on pugilist etc. The problem for me was just that battles solo took too long with too little reward... if they had made battles shorter or made them worth more exp that would have gone miles for me in terms of reducing grindiness.

getting rid of most spells and abilities ... well I admit I haven't even tried it, but I don't want to try it. The idea of grinding 7 or 10 levels to get a single skill ... is just so meh to me
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I'm moving on. I enjoyed most of my time in Eorzea but I've come to realize that I don't click with Yoshi-P's version of ffxiv. I enjoyed all the updates or at least understood them until 1.18. I'd rather be playing Tanaka's FFXIV just fixed and fleshed out.


Yeah, I feel you here. I felt like 1.19 was a huge step backwards and the new ability changes just went further in that direction. Too much dumbing down for me.


I have felt the same way for a while now. I don't actually like Yoshida's changes; they only seem great when compared to a straw-man Tanaka.
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#71 Jan 06 2012 at 7:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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I absolutely hated how they dealt with the classic classes problem. Given that they are going to 2.0 anyway it was a prime opportunity to just stick with the current classes and then have quests before 2.0 that turned everyone into their classic class counterpart before the world was blasted apart - then come 2.0 they could JUST have classic classes with none of the old class lore bogging them down.

Then again, I was part of the minority that was not perturbed by having whole new classes. I would have been happy if they had just added classic classes and tweaked the original ones (like making con more like a druid so it didn't overlap as much with whm, and thm more like a necromancer etc)
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#72 Jan 06 2012 at 8:28 PM Rating: Decent
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I just ordered the parts for my new PC from Newegg. I should have that up and running in app. 2 weeks. I will then download the game, buy a 6 month subscription, and be joining the Selbina server where I have several friends who play.

Since this is the first time I will have ever played XIV, it will be interesting to try the game for the first time in its CURRENT STATE. I am well aware of how bad it was at release (secondhand at least- I have several RL friends who play). But to be honest, I don't give two poo poo's about the negative press and how the game WAS AT RELEASE. I am interested in how the game IS RIGHT NOW. Hopefully I'll enjoy.

But either way I'll make that decision for myself rather than listen to the folks who, even though they claim to have moved on, clearly haven't, because they still hang out in these forums giving grief to those who currently play or are interested in trying the game out.
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I just ordered the parts for my new PC from Newegg. I should have that up and running in app. 2 weeks. I will then download the game, buy a 6 month subscription, and be joining the Selbina server where I have several friends who play.

Since this is the first time I will have ever played XIV, it will be interesting to try the game for the first time in its CURRENT STATE. I am well aware of how bad it was at release (secondhand at least- I have several RL friends who play). But to be honest, I don't give two poo poo's about the negative press and how the game WAS AT RELEASE. I am interested in how the game IS RIGHT NOW. Hopefully I'll enjoy.

But either way I'll make that decision for myself rather than listen to the folks who, even though they claim to have moved on, clearly haven't, because they still hang out in these forums giving grief to those who currently play or are interested in trying the game out.


Why not just buy the game and try the free 30 days before you chuck more money at SquareEnix?
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I probably will, but to be honest, I have 4 IRL friends playing on that server that I played years of XI with plus 2 more that said they'd come back to XIV (same server) if I started playing. So I basically come equipped with a linkshell. Even if the game is currently completely under revision I'll still be playing that with close friends.

To me, this beats logging in to FFXI and being sad that every single person on the server is level 99 and there hasn't been anything truly new to do since since ToAU. (IMHO everything past ToAU was downhill).

We'll see- I'm keeping an open mind, which is more than I can do with XI at the moment.
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I probably will, but to be honest, I have 4 IRL friends playing on that server that I played years of XI with plus 2 more that said they'd come back to XIV (same server) if I started playing. So I basically come equipped with a linkshell. Even if the game is currently completely under revision I'll still be playing that with close friends.

To me, this beats logging in to FFXI and being sad that every single person on the server is level 99 and there hasn't been anything truly new to do since since ToAU. (IMHO everything past ToAU was downhill).

We'll see- I'm keeping an open mind, which is more than I can do with XI at the moment.


Well, if you were sad about FFXI after ToAU, you'll really be sade about FFXIV, especially after you hit cap on a few jobs, run and re-run raids with no success of getting your drop. Oh, and the possibility of not being able to play due to C&B messing up your account :P, or for some reason the crysta buying becomes an issue like it has for a few others. Good luck!

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