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#1 Jan 06 2012 at 2:38 AM Rating: Decent
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if the game can't even pull off a proper billing system there is no chance it will ever succeed in north america. Click and Buy is a joke, the billing system is a convoluted mess, and the official forum is just full of white knights.

I'm not crying or whining or saying i hate the game. I like the game, I wrote some of the largest solo and group leveling guides, lore guides, gathering guides, and much more.

But i've played SWTOR and this game isn't even 1/10th as good as it even after being out for over a year. 2.0 is going to be a rushed disappointment. How do i know this? simple. They are using the same dev team that worked on the current ffxiv. The current FFXIV is unbalanced, outdated, and a pretty massive failure. So why would you ever expect the same team to take a U-turn and pull off a massive success. Even if you look at their designs, its just all the same re-hashed stuff. Same AF as ffxi, same mobs, same basic areas. The game is seriously lacking in creativity.

SE no longer knows how to handle an MMO. The customer support is horrid, the GM service is a joke compared to what FFXI had, the game is incredibly outdated and can't even come close to new MMOs even after a year of patches.

It really sucks, but the chances of this game succeeding here are almost 0. But i'm sure it will last since they won't risk hurting the brand by shutting it down, and I know a lot of you will keep enjoying it. And hopefully if they fix their messed up billing, some day i'll be back :p
#2 Jan 06 2012 at 2:44 AM Rating: Good
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Dude they have only had however long the game was in development + 16 months to figure out a billing system. Give them some time!

You act like every other MMO in the world handles this issue without a problem!
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Tony in almost every post you seem to be yelling. You use the ! way too much. I am not sure if you are a drill sergeant or what. On top of that I look at your picture to the left and I see someone with a full set of hair, then I look at the picture to the right and I see someone bald. I mean which is it? FFXIV is going places. If 6 months (more or less) after Version 2.0 comes out... if we have "similar" population numbers or another server merge then yes, I will agree at that point that it is going nowhere.
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SE started charging less than a month after SW:TOR came out (which has epic reviews and is an insanely well developed game that beats FFXIV out in almost every aspect)

That is a massive business mistake. And the fact they are making it just proves how incompetent and out of touch they are with the NA audience.

The fact the billing still doesn't work right after years is more proof.

The fact that its been 16 months and the game is still completely unbalanced is more proof.

The fact that the entire economy has failed, that 100s of players are holding millions of gil, that when new players come in 2.0 they will enter a game where everyone has spent 2 years maxing out all their levels and will quit under the belief that they can never catch up is also proof.

SE makes mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake and people just keep defending them.

The only thing SE has going for them is graphics, and look at the new FFXIV2.0, its like a graphics update..... thats the last thing they should be wasting time on.
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AmbrosiaAmor wrote:
Tony in almost every post you seem to be yelling. You use the ! way too much. I am not sure if you are a drill sergeant or what. On top of that I look at your picture to the left and I see someone with a full set of hair, then I look at the picture to the right and I see someone bald. I mean which is it? FFXIV is going places. If 6 months (more or less) after Version 2.0 comes out... if we have "similar" population numbers or another server merge then yes, I will agree at that point that it is going nowhere.


I am mildly retarded so I sometimes yell at inappropriate times.
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SE started charging less than a month after SW:TOR came out (which has epic reviews and is an insanely well developed game that beats FFXIV out in almost every aspect)

That is a massive business mistake. And the fact they are making it just proves how incompetent and out of touch they are with the NA audience.

The fact the billing still doesn't work right after years is more proof.

The fact that its been 16 months and the game is still completely unbalanced is more proof.

The fact that the entire economy has failed, that 100s of players are holding millions of gil, that when new players come in 2.0 they will enter a game where everyone has spent 2 years maxing out all their levels and will quit under the belief that they can never catch up is also proof.

SE makes mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake and people just keep defending them.

The only thing SE has going for them is graphics, and look at the new FFXIV2.0, its like a graphics update..... thats the last thing they should be wasting time on.



I agree with your posts I just like messin with people :)
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So why would you ever expect the same team to take a U-turn and pull off a massive success.

Dragon Age II.

SWTOR is going nowhere.
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Almalexia wrote:
Azurymber wrote:
So why would you ever expect the same team to take a U-turn and pull off a massive success.

Dragon Age II.

SWTOR is going nowhere.


One bad game a developer past its priMe does not make.

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Almalexia wrote:
Azurymber wrote:
So why would you ever expect the same team to take a U-turn and pull off a massive success.

Dragon Age II.

SWTOR is going nowhere.


the team that did DAII was only a supplemental team and not the initial team for SW-TOR and i have a feeling DAII was half-hearted because they wanted to free up time for SW TOR. Further, DA II was a single player game and SW TOR is a mmorpg so its not really the same.

also DAII wasn't horrible. it just lacked different zones, but the gameplay was good and the storyline was interesting. I wouldn't say it was as good as DA but i'm still interested in DA III.
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Azurymber wrote:
Almalexia wrote:
Azurymber wrote:
So why would you ever expect the same team to take a U-turn and pull off a massive success.

Dragon Age II.

SWTOR is going nowhere.


the team that did DAII was only a supplemental team and not the initial team for SW-TOR and i have a feeling DAII was half-hearted because they wanted to free up time for SW TOR. Further, DA II was a single player game and SW TOR is a mmorpg so its not really the same.

also DAII wasn't horrible. it just lacked different zones, but the gameplay was good and the storyline was interesting. I wouldn't say it was as good as DA but i'm still interested in DA III.


I want Flemeth to majorly figure into the storyline in DA III. She is my absolute favorite character out of both series not because of who/what she is but because of the lines given to her when she does speak.
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Yes the game has been out for a long time, BUT the current team has only been in control since the end of Dec., did not start getting into the fixes till Feb-March, then they had the 9.1 quake..... So to rebuild a game from the time they got in and started planning I would say they are doing a **** good job. Everyone is having problems with the payments but rly its not that hard at all. They give you a few options to use, and the only thing lacking is a CC billing directly from SE. Did i have problems setting up CnB? Yup but was my own fault for having cookies blocked but took me about 5 mins to figure it out.
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Tony, you use the period/full-stop too often - in just about every post you make, I see it populated with terse, aggressively silent punctuation marks like the period/full-stop; are you a post-modern stream-of-consciousness writer or something? Perhaps a mean-spirited literary theorist? I look at one picture and see a romantic adventurer but then I look to the right and see a guy who looks like Michel Foucault... please, can you keep it to commas, colons, and question marks (semi-colons are still, I think, somewhat bellicose by nature)?
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2.0 is going to be a rushed disappointment. How do i know this? simple. They are using the same dev team that worked on the current ffxiv. The current FFXIV is unbalanced, outdated, and a pretty massive failure. So why would you ever expect the same team to take a U-turn and pull off a massive success. Even if you look at their designs, its just all the same re-hashed stuff. Same AF as ffxi, same mobs, same basic areas. The game is seriously lacking in creativity.


Because the changes aren't finished.

Same AF as FFXI? AF is the classic gear of the Final Fantasy series. XI wasn't the only one to have it. It was also in FFI, III, IV, V, and to an extent, IX. Same goes for the monster types.

Everything else, I'll give you that. But those statements in particular didn't make any sense because they could apply to the whole franchise and not just XIV.



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#14 Jan 06 2012 at 9:52 AM Rating: Decent
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I guess none of you were smart enough to do ultimate pay. I paid with pay pal or u can do a cc number and be done in about 30 seconds...

The problem with this game and the ppl on it is they are too quick to ***** about something being broken on a forum and about how it's all SE's fault when they are too stupid to figure it out on their own.

Not gonna miss u guys that complain about every little thing here
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KaneKitty wrote:
Tony, you use the period/full-stop too often - in just about every post you make, I see it populated with terse, aggressively silent punctuation marks like the period/full-stop; are you a post-modern stream-of-consciousness writer or something? Perhaps a mean-spirited literary theorist? I look at one picture and see a romantic adventurer but then I look to the right and see a guy who looks like Michel Foucault... please, can you keep it to commas, colons, and question marks (semi-colons are still, I think, somewhat bellicose by nature)?


I told you I am mildly retarded cut me some slack bro.
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I guess none of you were smart enough to do ultimate pay. I paid with pay pal or u can do a cc number and be done in about 30 seconds...

The problem with this game and the ppl on it is they are too quick to ***** about something being broken on a forum and about how it's all SE's fault when they are too stupid to figure it out on their own.

Not gonna miss u guys that complain about every little thing here


Right... because its the users responsibility to figure out a complicated broken system. Every other company out there hires people specifically for customer relations, but this is an MMO and its a FF so we should all just ignore the fact that every other company does it better, and fix our own problems.

People complain because they expect a level of service comparable to alternatives out there. That is called a free market system, and it's what almost ever economy in the world is built around cept for north korea (and even there it happens).
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Hey Azury,

Glad to see you are here on the boards :) Yeah I can't log into the forums due to have shut off my account completely.

I think charging at this stage in their beta is a very very very bad move, especially since they do not have a proper billing system in place. I really think they should just take down all the servers and such and just focus on making a good MMO, then re-release. That's just my thoughts on it.

They are having a hard time with reputation as it is due to the release and slow pace progress/fix of FFXIV. They just need to take everything down and fix it. They also need to take their time doing so. The graphics are great...it's just almost everything else in between that needs tweaking, and they really don't need a community of cynics/fanboys guiding their hand with the polls of what everyone wants.

As a business they need to do what will turn a profit, and...they don't seem to be turning much of one, even with p2p going up today, I think anyways.
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I guess none of you were smart enough to do ultimate pay. I paid with pay pal or u can do a cc number and be done in about 30 seconds...

The problem with this game and the ppl on it is they are too quick to ***** about something being broken on a forum and about how it's all SE's fault when they are too stupid to figure it out on their own.

Not gonna miss u guys that complain about every little thing here



Have you not been keeping up with the lodestone forums? People are having issues with C&B and some don't have options of using Ultima Pay in their region for w/e reason, which means a portion of their players are being put on the back burner, WHO WANT TO PLAY!

Also, it's bad business practice to make paying for something so convoluted. I mean, would you want to go to target and get all your items you need to buy something only to be told they only accept "Target Money" which can be purcahsed at another register far far away on the other side of the store? Also, they have to verify your checking account/ credit account to make sure you have the funds to purchase Target cash to buy your target goods. Also, this verification process goes through a shady third party, who now has access to your account and there is a sur-charge of 2.00 which may or maynot be credited back to your account upon verification....Blah blah blah....do you get the picture?

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Right... because its the users responsibility to figure out a complicated broken system. Every other company out there hires people specifically for customer relations, but this is an MMO and its a FF so we should all just ignore the fact that every other company does it better, and fix our own problems.

People complain because they expect a level of service comparable to alternatives out there. That is called a free market system, and it's what almost ever economy in the world is built around cept for north korea (and even there it happens).


Nothing was complicated or broken about it. That's the point I'm making. You couldn't click add crysta and then choose ultimate pay instead of click and buy when it asks you to choose a payment method? Are you that stupid?


I'm also aware of the payment issues for people outside US JP and EU but unless your in that category there's no excuse for being unable to do it. It's simple

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xSanctusx wrote:
Azurymber wrote:


Right... because its the users responsibility to figure out a complicated broken system. Every other company out there hires people specifically for customer relations, but this is an MMO and its a FF so we should all just ignore the fact that every other company does it better, and fix our own problems.

People complain because they expect a level of service comparable to alternatives out there. That is called a free market system, and it's what almost ever economy in the world is built around cept for north korea (and even there it happens).


Nothing was complicated or broken about it. That's the point I'm making. You couldn't click add crysta and then choose ultimate pay instead of click and buy when it asks you to choose a payment method? Are you that stupid?


I'm also aware of the payment issues for people outside US JP and EU but unless your in that category there's no excuse for being unable to do it. It's simple

Edited, Jan 6th 2012 12:10pm by xSanctusx


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PPL rage cause they don't look around for anything. There was options available but PPL were lazy to look or something IDK. IF something don't go right the first time they RAGE, bottom line.
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PPL rage cause they don't look around for anything. There was options available but PPL were lazy to look or something IDK. IF something don't go right the first time they RAGE, bottom line.


You mean like your little ******** on the official forums because people were asking questions and having problems with SE's DaVinci Code'esque billing system?
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hexaemeron wrote:
NamudNevets wrote:
PPL rage cause they don't look around for anything. There was options available but PPL were lazy to look or something IDK. IF something don't go right the first time they RAGE, bottom line.


You mean like your little ******** on the official forums because people were asking questions and having problems with SE's DaVinci Code'esque billing system?


So true!
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SE started charging less than a month after SW:TOR came out (which has epic reviews


And is:

insanely Generic.
Knights of the Old Republic with the ability to play it online.
Not animated as well as it could be.
Did I mention insanely generic?
The Same MMO you played in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, etc with a different setting.

..What does SW: TOR have to do with anything?

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No my ***** fit from PPL asking why they got charged 47.94 over and over. And you can only read that crap so much b4 you wanna smack someone. And it said that in my post on there. Now if someone has a legit problem like Swift did by getting charged when he had crysta then that's fine. So don't be trying to call me out on a point that is valid.

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NamudNevets wrote:
No my ***** fit from PPL asking why they got charged 47.94 over and over. And you can only read that crap so much b4 you wanna smack someone. And it said that in my post on there. Now if someone has a legit problem like Swift did by getting charged when he had crysta then that's fine. So don't be trying to call me out on a point that is valid.

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Edited, Jan 6th 2012 12:24pm by NamudNevets


You know, a lot of people probably set up their billing SIXTEEN MONTHS AGO when the game launched. I'm not surprised people wouldn't immediately know what's up. Most people would have trouble remembering.
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Theonehio wrote:
Azurymber wrote:
SE started charging less than a month after SW:TOR came out (which has epic reviews


And is:

insanely Generic.
Knights of the Old Republic with the ability to play it online.
Not animated as well as it could be.
Did I mention insanely generic?
The Same MMO you played in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, etc with a different setting.

..What does SW: TOR have to do with anything?



That it's more successful than FFXIV is, will be or ever could be.
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There is no need to post the same crap over and over by many PPL when I posted the billing info in the 2nd post of one that cleared it all up for the PPL that did not care to read.
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No my ***** fit from PPL asking why they got charged 47.94 over and over. And you can only read that crap so much b4 you wanna smack someone. And it said that in my post on there. Now if someone has a legit problem like Swift did by getting charged when he had crysta then that's fine. So don't be trying to call me out on a point that is valid.

Edited, Jan 6th 2012 12:24pm by NamudNevets

Edited, Jan 6th 2012 12:24pm by NamudNevets


Are you and I even reading the same forum? I've only seen on thread complain about being overcharged when it was obvious the OP didn't ready carefully what he bought...
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It was not rly this forum that I was talking bout. It was lodestone and yes I saw the same question asked many times about the cost. Billing setup was not bad, some have problems but there is more then one way to go about it. Like a guy in my LS was having problems with CnB cause he had a EU account from a friend but did not live there. Well we cleared that all up in about 5 mins.
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It was not rly this forum that I was talking bout. It was lodestone and yes I saw the same question asked many times about the cost. Billing setup was not bad, some have problems but there is more then one way to go about it. Like a guy in my LS was having problems with CnB cause he had a EU account from a friend but did not live there. Well we cleared that all up in about 5 mins.


You're totally missing the point. If SE had implemented the standard billing THAT EVERY OTHER ONLING GAMING COMPANY ON THE PLANET USES, most people wouldn't be having these problems. But yet again, SE proves that if it ain't broke, THEY'LL BREAK IT and call it innovative.
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You know, a lot of people probably set up their billing SIXTEEN MONTHS AGO when the game launched. I'm not surprised people wouldn't immediately know what's up. Most people would have trouble remembering.

You are responsible for double checking what you entered. We were all forced to go back into account management a month ago before we could even log in. You bet I double checked that I had deactivated the characters I didn't want to pay for and confirmed I had chosen the billing period I wanted.

Everyone should have done the same, period.

Now if my account management page shows I chose the 1 month option and I got charged for 6 then that is a billing issue and SE should resolve it.
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It was not rly this forum that I was talking bout. It was lodestone and yes I saw the same question asked many times about the cost. Billing setup was not bad, some have problems but there is more then one way to go about it. Like a guy in my LS was having problems with CnB cause he had a EU account from a friend but did not live there. Well we cleared that all up in about 5 mins.


Yeah I am well aware that is was on the Lodestone. I made my last post last night before I went to bed. There aren't that many threads about it. Just the one, if that thread is that upsetting to you, just stop reading it? Just a thought.
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hexaemeron wrote:
Theonehio wrote:
Azurymber wrote:
SE started charging less than a month after SW:TOR came out (which has epic reviews


And is:

insanely Generic.
Knights of the Old Republic with the ability to play it online.
Not animated as well as it could be.
Did I mention insanely generic?
The Same MMO you played in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, etc with a different setting.

..What does SW: TOR have to do with anything?



That it's more successful than FFXIV is, will be or ever could be.


...Okay? What does it have to do with FFXIV again?
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Theonehio wrote:
hexaemeron wrote:
Theonehio wrote:
Azurymber wrote:
SE started charging less than a month after SW:TOR came out (which has epic reviews


And is:

insanely Generic.
Knights of the Old Republic with the ability to play it online.
Not animated as well as it could be.
Did I mention insanely generic? The Same MMO you played in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, etc with a different setting.

..What does SW: TOR have to do with anything?



That it's more successful than FFXIV is, will be or ever could be.


...Okay? What does it have to do with FFXIV again?


She's making a comparison? I guess she's saying that SW:TOR did it right? IDK,I could be so off though.
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Theonehio wrote:
hexaemeron wrote:
Theonehio wrote:
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SE started charging less than a month after SW:TOR came out (which has epic reviews


And is:

insanely Generic.
Knights of the Old Republic with the ability to play it online.
Not animated as well as it could be.
Did I mention insanely generic?
The Same MMO you played in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, etc with a different setting.

..What does SW: TOR have to do with anything?



That it's more successful than FFXIV is, will be or ever could be.


...Okay? What does it have to do with FFXIV again?


Sigh. You're really going to make me connect the dots for you? I know you're smart. I've seen you post. Okay, so it's like this. SWTOR has been one of the largest if not the largest and most anticipated online gaming titles in many, many years. It was predicted to be an absolute juggernaut of total customer satisfaction and online domination by changing the entire way the genre looks at how a player is immersed in the story. On pre-orders alone, there was no doubt that this game would undoubtedly drag people away from just about everything they were playing, except FFXIV because no one's playing that now anyway.

I kid, I kid. Sorta. Well, why would you decide to start charging for a game that

A.) The company itself has admitted is completely unsatisfactory and is making a whole NEW game to make up for it.

B.) Is at best functional and serviceable, if not actually fun or interesting.

C.) There are only 14 people playing this game now.

I mean, unless you had accepted the fact that those loyal remaining 14 players wouldn't go anywhere no matter how awful the product was and would pay no matter what, there's no logical reason to expect ANYONE to pay for that product for dozens of reasons, the least of which is the 800lb gorilla that everyone is playing and loving... AND PAYING for.

That better, babe?

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This thread really could have ended at 'this game is going nowhere'.
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Sigh. Such a proud, ardent defender of Square Enix. Don't worry, young man, one day, you, YES, you will be able to bring Tanaka-san his afternoon green tea.

EDIT: Oh, you're in DoctorMog's linkshell. That explains the attitude.

Edited, Jan 6th 2012 12:11pm by hexaemeron



lol because it took me 30 seconds to set up payment and some people can't do a simple task and rage about it and call it broken I'm defending SE? Nice try.
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PPL rage cause they don't look around for anything. There was options available but PPL were lazy to look or something IDK. IF something don't go right the first time they RAGE, bottom line.


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#40 Jan 06 2012 at 12:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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To anyone thinking that SW:TOR is a shining example of a wonderful launch, I would advise you to check out their forums. It wouldn't hurt to do some homework on it as well.

They're dealing with pvp-breaking lag issues, terrible class imbalance, game-breaking glitches and bugs, "not much to do at level cap" issues (sound familiar?), ****-poor customer service from Bioware.. **** even some of the pre-order boxes didn't come with a registration code and some registration codes didn't even work. If you bought the game early and gifted it to someone Christmas day you ran the risk of having to re-purchase the game.

There's mountains of issues and on top of that people are actually leaving the game because they're bored. Don't take my word for it, go look at their forums.

My point is that you just can't use SW:TOR as an example of a good launch because the facts show that it actually launched very poorly.
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#42 Jan 06 2012 at 1:47 PM Rating: Good
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Azurymber wrote:
SE started charging less than a month after SW:TOR came out (which has epic reviews


And is:

insanely Generic.
Knights of the Old Republic with the ability to play it online.
Not animated as well as it could be.
Did I mention insanely generic?
The Same MMO you played in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, etc with a different setting.

..What does SW: TOR have to do with anything?



generic obviously works as SW TOR is insanely successful and has 8.0+ reviews instead of 3.0-5.0 reviews. Further, it really isn't that generic, the stories are awesome and really long, its like 20 KOTORS in one game, and its not just single player. The heroics (group quests) are reallllly fun and the instanced flashpoint things are awesome and better than anything ffxiv has. It may not be perfect or to your liking, but it is successful
#43 Jan 06 2012 at 2:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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To anyone thinking that SW:TOR is a shining example of a wonderful launch, I would advise you to check out their forums. It wouldn't hurt to do some homework on it as well.

They're dealing with pvp-breaking lag issues, terrible class imbalance, game-breaking glitches and bugs, "not much to do at level cap" issues (sound familiar?), ****-poor customer service from Bioware.. **** even some of the pre-order boxes didn't come with a registration code and some registration codes didn't even work. If you bought the game early and gifted it to someone Christmas day you ran the risk of having to re-purchase the game.

There's mountains of issues and on top of that people are actually leaving the game because they're bored. Don't take my word for it, go look at their forums.

My point is that you just can't use SW:TOR as an example of a good launch because the facts show that it actually launched very poorly.


this is an exxageration. Pvp is fine, i play everyday and im not 50 (the problem is supposed to be that level 50s are too overpowered). PPl just want pvp to be "spam spam spam" and its not, its tactical and like an actual sports game.

there are no game-breaking glitches at all. Yeah, theres a few bugs, but there are considerably less than ffxiv currently has.

theres no lag problem if you turn off shadows.

customer service does suck but i think it has more to do with the game being more successful than they had expected and being unprepared.

get stuck? type /stuck
glitch a story or a quest? reset the quest
glitch out an instant? reset the instant

They included ways to get around bugs.

and endgame has like 9 instances, each longer than anything in ffxiv. it also has 3 pvp mini-games, 2 pvp world zones, and a really good flying-shooter game. And more....

There are problems but nothing near ffxiv. in actuality swtor prob has had one of the smoothest launches of any mmo in history.



Edited, Jan 6th 2012 3:08pm by Azurymber
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Azurymber wrote:
reptiletim wrote:
To anyone thinking that SW:TOR is a shining example of a wonderful launch, I would advise you to check out their forums. It wouldn't hurt to do some homework on it as well.

They're dealing with pvp-breaking lag issues, terrible class imbalance, game-breaking glitches and bugs, "not much to do at level cap" issues (sound familiar?), ****-poor customer service from Bioware.. **** even some of the pre-order boxes didn't come with a registration code and some registration codes didn't even work. If you bought the game early and gifted it to someone Christmas day you ran the risk of having to re-purchase the game.

There's mountains of issues and on top of that people are actually leaving the game because they're bored. Don't take my word for it, go look at their forums.

My point is that you just can't use SW:TOR as an example of a good launch because the facts show that it actually launched very poorly.


this is an exxageration. Pvp is fine, i play everyday and im not 50 (the problem is supposed to be that level 50s are too overpowered). PPl just want pvp to be "spam spam spam" and its not, its tactical and like an actual sports game.

there are no game-breaking glitches at all. Yeah, theres a few bugs, but there are considerably less than ffxiv currently has.

theres no lag problem if you turn off shadows.

customer service does suck but i think it has more to do with the game being more successful than they had expected and being unprepared.

get stuck? type /stuck
glitch a story or a quest? reset the quest
glitch out an instant? reset the instant

They included ways to get around bugs.

and endgame has like 9 instances, each longer than anything in ffxiv. it also has 3 pvp mini-games, 2 pvp world zones, and a really good flying-shooter game. And more....

There are problems but nothing near ffxiv. in actuality swtor prob has had one of the smoothest launches of any mmo in history.



Edited, Jan 6th 2012 3:08pm by Azurymber


**** you Azurymer you have almost talked me into buying that game!
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How much they pay u to troll and post about SWOTR on a FFXIV forum board? Better be some nice compensation!


lol, you've been here about six minutes. Some of us have been here since launch. You have no idea, dude. ;)
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lol because it took me 30 seconds to set up payment and some people can't do a simple task and rage about it and call it broken I'm defending SE? Nice try.


you do realize that crysta is not available in all regions, right?

And that many banks refuse to deal with click and buy

so that many people can't use the payment methods at all...

right?
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#48 Jan 06 2012 at 2:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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Theonehio wrote:
hexaemeron wrote:
Theonehio wrote:
Azurymber wrote:
SE started charging less than a month after SW:TOR came out (which has epic reviews


And is:

insanely Generic.
Knights of the Old Republic with the ability to play it online.
Not animated as well as it could be.
Did I mention insanely generic?
The Same MMO you played in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, etc with a different setting.

..What does SW: TOR have to do with anything?



That it's more successful than FFXIV is, will be or ever could be.


...Okay? What does it have to do with FFXIV again?


Basically..in a nutshell...nothing. SWOTOR is far beyond what FFXIV is...there really is no comparison. Yea, I play SWOTOR...and I have always been quite the FF Fanboy. Well...not anymore. Will I come back for 2.0...perhaps, but the bar has been raised by others with more talent that SE seems to hire. Who knows what the landscape of MMOs will be by the time 2.0 comes out. With SWOTOR's immediate success, I only see it being used as a new benchmark. About 95% of the quests are voice acted. Just imagine if FFXIV was voice acted...that's about all you can do, imagine. There is not enough time for SE make 2.0 at the level of the new slate of MMO's being released. 2.0 will be better, maybe a little prettier with better UI...but it will still lack in depth. There is just not enough time.

They missed the boat. Time to sink it. Build a new one and hire a new crew...possibly suck it up and hire personnel from other successful MMO's.


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theres no lag problem if you turn off shadows.

customer service does suck but i think it has more to do with the game being more successful than they had expected and being unprepared.

get stuck? type /stuck
glitch a story or a quest? reset the quest
glitch out an instant? reset the instant

They included ways to get around bugs.


Um, no. The previous poster was exaggerating a little bit, but you're turning a blind eye to a lot of the problems the game does suffer from. For instance...

There's more than one type of lag, and in one very specific case it has nothing to do with your frame-rate...

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=119676

Constant lag spikes do occur quite a bit as well, and the game does run like utter *** a lot of the time (this is coming from someone with two 580s and a 4.5 processor).

Using the /stuck command can also incur a death penalty sometimes, which can not only put you out of commission for up to 10 minutes but will also deteriorate your armor/weapon durability. I understand that this has to be done to avoid exploitation of the command, but it's still hardly a proper solution. I've also gotten stuck countless times as well. There are way too many awkward-shaped crevices in this game to get stuck in.

Also, using the "reset" command to reset a buggy quest or instance does not always work. For example, a friend and I were doing a heroic on Alderaan (Insufficient Staff I think it was called) and the mobs inside the instance we were supposed to kill started to overwhelm us, so we had to zone out of the instance to not die. As soon as we recovered outside the instance, we went back inside only to see that the mobs hadn't reset. Now normally this wouldn't be a problem, but the quest ended up bugging out and spawned two bosses and eight elites as opposed to only one boss and four elites, and they were all waiting right at the entrance. So we tried to reset the quest and redo it from the beginning, but unfortunately that didn't work. After resetting the quest, the mobs still had not reset and the objectives did not reset either. The quest starts you off disabling an alarm system, but since the quest didn't properly reset for some reason, we were unable to even target the alarm system and therefore we were unable to progress anymore. We also tried dropping the quest and picking it back up at the quest giver, but that didn't work either.

The above is just one of many examples of some of the bugged quests in the game. There is no way to get around any of these issues either until BW decides to fix them.
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Nothing was complicated or broken about it. That's the point I'm making. You couldn't click add crysta and then choose ultimate pay instead of click and buy when it asks you to choose a payment method? Are you that stupid?


I'm also aware of the payment issues for people outside US JP and EU but unless your in that category there's no excuse for being unable to do it. It's simple

Edited, Jan 6th 2012 12:10pm by xSanctusx


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you do realize that crysta is not available in all regions, right?

And that many banks refuse to deal with click and buy

so that many people can't use the payment methods at all...

right?


you do know how to read, right?

right?
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