Forum Settings
       
1 2 3 4 5 Next »
This Forum is Read Only

This game is going nowhere. Follow

#202 Jan 20 2012 at 3:48 AM Rating: Good
Susanoh wrote:
MutamixBubblypots wrote:
Ok Mr. Economist, it doesn't matter how they market 2.0 because people like you will still be here to try it out when it is released. **** you think 1.0 is crap and they're marketing 2.0 wrong and you're playing the "most awesome" MMO that's out right now, yet you're still hanging out on these boards. IMO that proves that at least no matter how bad a product is as long as you have brand recognition and a chance to correct what you did wrong people are going to come back to your product.


Taking the actions of a single person and using that as "proof" of the actions of any significant amount of people is insane. If you don't think so, imagine how foolish I'd sound if I said "I know this guy who played FF14 and he quit, and hasn't looked at anything FF14 related since. IMO this proves that if consumers don't like a product they won't give that product another look."


Some of Azury's actions/opinions apply to other people as well like Olorinus, LillithaFenimore, and tpgsoldier for example. Some of them may not think SWTOR is the "most awesome" MMO ever or marketing for 2.0 sucks, but given the fact they constantly come on this board to post something shows that they're interested in the product or willing to give the product another try even though they think 1.0 "sucks". EDIT: Also look below to see who's online, look at how many Anonymous Guests we have. Sure some may be bots, but there is interest in this game even if most of those people don't post.

Dealing with your statement, it depends on why that person hasn't looked at anything FF14 related since they quit. Is it because of some external factor, like working all the time or studying, or maybe they can't pay for the internet for awhile? If it's not those things, then the other possible conclusion is that they're not that interested. Could they become interested again? Yes, they could, but that would require them seeing some article online or reading some other people's opinions on the game. So using that statement itself is foolish, but I don't think it's really comparable to interest. When most people look up a topic or talk about a topic, it's because they're either interested in it, want to learn more about it, or they're researching about it. Those three things require effort on part of the person looking at the topic, so in other words some form of interest.

I know these are very blanket statements and interest doesn't always mean sells, but in the case of FFXIV 2.0 I think most people that are interested are going to come back and give it a try.

Edited, Jan 20th 2012 4:52am by MutamixBubblypots
____________________________
Leader of the Carriers of the Cauldron
#203 Jan 20 2012 at 10:37 AM Rating: Good
Scholar
**
494 posts
MutamixBubblypots wrote:
[quote=Azurymber]
IMO that proves that at least no matter how bad a product is as long as you have brand recognition and a chance to correct what you did wrong people are going to come back to your product.
Edited, Jan 20th 2012 1:43am by MutamixBubblypots


So if a drug kills 5000 people and they release a 2.0 version of it, the brand recognition will draw people back?

If a car is a "lemon" and the subject of tons of jokes, but they fix it and make it better, people will be like "hey cool, that cars good now, lets stop makin all those jokes"?

I could obviously go on.

It's not my opinion that products have a near impossible time relaunching after a failed attempt. It's a simple marketing fact that every corporation on this planet is aware of. Think about it. what bad products have you seen come out with a 2.0 version?
#204 Jan 20 2012 at 11:09 AM Rating: Excellent
***
2,232 posts
Azurymber wrote:
MutamixBubblypots wrote:
[quote=Azurymber]
IMO that proves that at least no matter how bad a product is as long as you have brand recognition and a chance to correct what you did wrong people are going to come back to your product.
Edited, Jan 20th 2012 1:43am by MutamixBubblypots


So if a drug kills 5000 people and they release a 2.0 version of it, the brand recognition will draw people back?

If a car is a "lemon" and the subject of tons of jokes, but they fix it and make it better, people will be like "hey cool, that cars good now, lets stop makin all those jokes"?

I could obviously go on.

It's not my opinion that products have a near impossible time relaunching after a failed attempt. It's a simple marketing fact that every corporation on this planet is aware of. Think about it. what bad products have you seen come out with a 2.0 version?


I would argue that the original release of FF XIV was SE trying to make "New Coke", and that version 2.0 is them actually going back to the original formula.
____________________________
Character: Urzol Thrush
Server: Ultros
FC: The Kraken Club

Outshined

Teneleven wrote:
We secretly replaced your tank wemelchor with Foldgers Crystal's. Let's see what happens.

#205 Jan 20 2012 at 11:25 AM Rating: Excellent
Sage
**
534 posts
Azurymber wrote:
MutamixBubblypots wrote:
[quote=Azurymber]
IMO that proves that at least no matter how bad a product is as long as you have brand recognition and a chance to correct what you did wrong people are going to come back to your product.
Edited, Jan 20th 2012 1:43am by MutamixBubblypots


So if a drug kills 5000 people and they release a 2.0 version of it, the brand recognition will draw people back?

If a car is a "lemon" and the subject of tons of jokes, but they fix it and make it better, people will be like "hey cool, that cars good now, lets stop makin all those jokes"?

I could obviously go on.

It's not my opinion that products have a near impossible time relaunching after a failed attempt. It's a simple marketing fact that every corporation on this planet is aware of. Think about it. what bad products have you seen come out with a 2.0 version?


To start, I envision 2.0 as a new product. Not a patch, not an update. New. That being said...

I have done my share of bashing poor ol 14 and tend to agree with most things you post...but I will have to disagree on these examples. The entertainment business is different than general commercial goods. We the consumer, tend to be more lenient on items that may fulfill that itch we get when we want to be entertained. The unknowing and surprises...that's entertainment. Drugs and cars...not so much. If there is little entertainment value...we have no problems dropping a label and try something else.

I would compare this to the movie and music industry...especially music. An artist has some great releases. Then that artist has a really bad one...it happens. People buy it, bash it...and wait for the next hoping it will be better. You don't abandon the arts when you ultimately like the previous product, even if the current one is sub-par. Same goes for movies. 1st one great, sequel sucks...but people will still get excited about another sequel. If anything...to see that it can/will be better.

Now, this only goes so far. You have 2 bad sequels...or 2 bad albums in a row, good luck with that. IF SE rushes 2.0...which I have a feeling they will, they will permanently lose quite a number of those who have patiently waited for a better product. They need it to be perfect. I'm not sure they can. But if they could pull it off...SE will be back on the map.
#206 Jan 20 2012 at 12:09 PM Rating: Excellent
****
4,151 posts
Simool wrote:
To start, I envision 2.0 as a new product. Not a patch, not an update.


I understand that's how you'd like to envision it, but the fact that it's called 2.0 pretty much removes all doubt to what it is. Given the response of the community I'm sure we all want it to be something completely separate from what it was, which was a tragedy.
____________________________
Rinsui wrote:
Only hips + boobs all day and hips + boobs all over my icecream

HaibaneRenmei wrote:
30 bucks is almost free

cocodojo wrote:
Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#207 Jan 20 2012 at 12:24 PM Rating: Excellent
Avatar
***
1,609 posts
Simool wrote:
Azurymber wrote:
MutamixBubblypots wrote:
[quote=Azurymber]
IMO that proves that at least no matter how bad a product is as long as you have brand recognition and a chance to correct what you did wrong people are going to come back to your product.
Edited, Jan 20th 2012 1:43am by MutamixBubblypots


So if a drug kills 5000 people and they release a 2.0 version of it, the brand recognition will draw people back?

If a car is a "lemon" and the subject of tons of jokes, but they fix it and make it better, people will be like "hey cool, that cars good now, lets stop makin all those jokes"?

I could obviously go on.

It's not my opinion that products have a near impossible time relaunching after a failed attempt. It's a simple marketing fact that every corporation on this planet is aware of. Think about it. what bad products have you seen come out with a 2.0 version?


To start, I envision 2.0 as a new product. Not a patch, not an update. New. That being said...

I have done my share of bashing poor ol 14 and tend to agree with most things you post...but I will have to disagree on these examples. The entertainment business is different than general commercial goods. We the consumer, tend to be more lenient on items that may fulfill that itch we get when we want to be entertained. The unknowing and surprises...that's entertainment. Drugs and cars...not so much. If there is little entertainment value...we have no problems dropping a label and try something else.

I would compare this to the movie and music industry...especially music. An artist has some great releases. Then that artist has a really bad one...it happens. People buy it, bash it...and wait for the next hoping it will be better. You don't abandon the arts when you ultimately like the previous product, even if the current one is sub-par. Same goes for movies. 1st one great, sequel sucks...but people will still get excited about another sequel. If anything...to see that it can/will be better.

Now, this only goes so far. You have 2 bad sequels...or 2 bad albums in a row, good luck with that. IF SE rushes 2.0...which I have a feeling they will, they will permanently lose quite a number of those who have patiently waited for a better product. They need it to be perfect. I'm not sure they can. But if they could pull it off...SE will be back on the map.


Hate to say it, but SE has already released a flop previous to FFXIV, and that was FFXIII. Sure the sales were high for it, and there are some in the community who like it, but majority do not. So in that sense, I think SE may have already shot themselves in the foot with FFXIV, point blank.

The only reason why I'm even sticking around to see about 2.o, is because I already have an investement in it...a new rig so my husband and I could play it together because the graphics engine was so heavy. So if 2.o fails, IDK if I will be able to stomach another SE game, console or MMO.

And another reason why I'm only sticking around is because I have been a fan of the brand since FF VII and have loved them all up until FF XII. XII, XIII, and XIV have basically screwed the pooch. So this overhaul, patch, w/e you want to call it, for me is the last straw. If they can't get this right, as a consumer, they will have lost all future sales from me and my husband.
____________________________


"I've never watched a nuclear explosion myself. That's a couple of degrees of stupid above my limit"- Old Man Harris
#208 Jan 20 2012 at 12:52 PM Rating: Decent
LillithaFenimore wrote:


Hate to say it, but SE has already released a flop previous to FFXIV, and that was FFXIII. Sure the sales were high for it, and there are some in the community who like it, but majority do not. So in that sense, I think SE may have already shot themselves in the foot with FFXIV, point blank.

The only reason why I'm even sticking around to see about 2.o, is because I already have an investement in it...a new rig so my husband and I could play it together because the graphics engine was so heavy. So if 2.o fails, IDK if I will be able to stomach another SE game, console or MMO.

And another reason why I'm only sticking around is because I have been a fan of the brand since FF VII and have loved them all up until FF XII. XII, XIII, and XIV have basically screwed the pooch. So this overhaul, patch, w/e you want to call it, for me is the last straw. If they can't get this right, as a consumer, they will have lost all future sales from me and my husband.


This is off topic, but I was wondering what you found wrong with FFXII? IMO it's everything that you want in a modern FF except for the lacking story. The graphics at the time were wonderful, the music was pretty good, the world was huge and there was tons of exploration, lots of sidequests, and strategy when dealing with the gambit system. **** FF12 was the best MMO that SE made and it wasn't even online! Also have you played any FFs before VII?
____________________________
Leader of the Carriers of the Cauldron
#209 Jan 20 2012 at 1:18 PM Rating: Good
Avatar
***
1,609 posts
Lacking story... Right there. If a game doesn't have a good story, I could care less about the rest. **** the story doesn't have to be perfect, but decent at least, like Enslaved: Oddesy to the West. I can't even remeber one thing about 12's story line.
____________________________


"I've never watched a nuclear explosion myself. That's a couple of degrees of stupid above my limit"- Old Man Harris
#210 Jan 20 2012 at 3:50 PM Rating: Excellent
***
3,530 posts
LillithaFenimore wrote:
Lacking story... Right there. If a game doesn't have a good story, I could care less about the rest... I can't even remeber one thing about 12's story line.


Nipples; beating monsters without hitting buttons; forgettable names*; and a strangely mismatched pink miniskirt: those are the things I'll remember about FFXII.

*Such as Ffamran mied Bunansa. I'm serious.


Edited, Jan 20th 2012 7:40pm by KaneKitty
____________________________
"... he called to himself a wizard, named Gallery, hoping by this means to escape the paying of the fifteen hundred crowns..." (Machen 15)

"Thus opium is pleasing... on account of the agreeable delirium it produces." (Burke para.6)

"I could only read so much for this paper and the syphilis poem had to go."
#211 Jan 20 2012 at 4:10 PM Rating: Good
Avatar
**
852 posts
I thought Basch was hot.
____________________________
#212 Jan 20 2012 at 4:39 PM Rating: Excellent
***
2,232 posts
hexaemeron wrote:
I thought Basch Fran was hot.


FTFY :P
____________________________
Character: Urzol Thrush
Server: Ultros
FC: The Kraken Club

Outshined

Teneleven wrote:
We secretly replaced your tank wemelchor with Foldgers Crystal's. Let's see what happens.

#213 Jan 20 2012 at 4:40 PM Rating: Decent
Avatar
***
1,609 posts
hexaemeron wrote:
I thought Basch was hot.



Who???
____________________________


"I've never watched a nuclear explosion myself. That's a couple of degrees of stupid above my limit"- Old Man Harris
#214 Jan 20 2012 at 4:43 PM Rating: Good
***
2,232 posts
LillithaFenimore wrote:
hexaemeron wrote:
I thought Basch was hot.



Who???


I'm guessing you're just trying to backup your earlier statment, but just in case:

Basch Ronsenburg

Basch fon Ronsenburg (バッシュ・フォン・ローゼンバーグ Basshu fon Rōzenbāgu?) is a 36 year-old Captain in the Order of Knights of Dalmasca. He and his twin brother Noah are natives of the Republic of Landis, which was conquered by the Archadians long before the events of the game. When Landis was overthrown, Basch fled to Dalmasca and Noah to Archadia, and the brothers lost contact. Basch joined the Dalmascan army, eventually rising to become one of its most respected officers. When Archadia attacked Nalbina Fortress, Basch and Ashe's husband Lord Rasler Heios led the defense. [24] However, the Archadian forces overwhelmed their troops, and Lord Rasler was mortally wounded by an archer. Basch carried Rasler's body from the battlefield and went into hiding with the surviving commanders of the Dalmascan military. Shortly after the Archadians moved in to occupy Rabanastre, he and Captain Azelas led an assault on Nalbina Fortress in an attempt to save the king, only to be captured by Imperial forces. His brother Noah, now called Gabranth and in the employ of Archadia, posed as Basch and slew the Dalmascan king and Vaan's older brother, Reks, who witnessed the crime. Basch was denounced by the Dalmascans as a traitor and reportedly executed by Marquis Ondore.[25] In reality, he was imprisoned in the Nalbina Dungeons by Vayne to ensuring Ondore's loyalty to the Empire—if Ondore betrayed the Archadians, Vayne could destroy his credibility by revealing that Basch was still alive.[26]

During their attempt to escape Nalbina Dungeon, Vaan, Balthier, and Fran discovered Basch chained in a cage suspended from the ceiling. Though all three were initially suspicious of him (especially Vaan, who blamed him for Reks's death), Basch protested his innocence and told them about his twin. The party decided his story was plausible and released him.[27] After being freed, he made it his mission to protect Ashe and support the resistance.[28] When he and his brother were reunited, Gabranth was deeply puzzled by Basch's continued ability to hold his head high in spite of his past failures. Basch explained that his vow to defend Ashe had given him purpose and a renewed sense of honor.[29] After the final battle against Vayne, as Noah was dying, he asked Basch to take his place as Larsa's protector.[30] Because it was still widely believed that Basch was dead, he adopted his brother's name and title when he entered Larsa's service. In Revenant Wings, Basch is sent by Larsa to be the Empire's representative in dealing with the Judge of Wings.[22] Basch was voiced by Keith Ferguson in English and by Rikiya Koyama in Japanese. He also appears in Itadaki Street Portable.[16]
#215 Jan 20 2012 at 4:53 PM Rating: Decent
Avatar
**
852 posts
This is what I'm talking about. Hot Thor Realness.
[img=http://www.final-fantasy.de/cms/fileadmin/images/final_fantasy_xii/charaktere/screen-basch.jpg[/img]

Edited, Jan 20th 2012 5:54pm by hexaemeron
____________________________
#216 Jan 20 2012 at 4:55 PM Rating: Decent
Avatar
**
852 posts
Hmm, so why didn't that work?
____________________________
#217 Jan 20 2012 at 5:03 PM Rating: Excellent
***
2,232 posts
[img=http://www.final-fantasy.de/cms/fileadmin/images/final_fantasy_xii/charaktere/screen-basch.jpg] [/img]

idk
http://www.final-fantasy.de/cms/fileadmin/images/final_fantasy_xii/charaktere/screen-basch.jpg

yup, i give up lol

Edited, Jan 20th 2012 3:05pm by LebargeX

Edited, Jan 20th 2012 3:05pm by LebargeX

Edited, Jan 20th 2012 3:07pm by LebargeX

Edited, Jan 20th 2012 3:08pm by LebargeX

Edited, Jan 20th 2012 3:08pm by LebargeX
____________________________
Character: Urzol Thrush
Server: Ultros
FC: The Kraken Club

Outshined

Teneleven wrote:
We secretly replaced your tank wemelchor with Foldgers Crystal's. Let's see what happens.

#218 Jan 20 2012 at 5:04 PM Rating: Decent
****
4,151 posts
hexaemeron wrote:
Hmm, so why didn't that work?

Looks like you're missing a ] and a [


Edited, Jan 20th 2012 6:04pm by FilthMcNasty
____________________________
Rinsui wrote:
Only hips + boobs all day and hips + boobs all over my icecream

HaibaneRenmei wrote:
30 bucks is almost free

cocodojo wrote:
Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#219 Jan 20 2012 at 5:04 PM Rating: Decent
Avatar
**
852 posts
This is what I get for forgetting to whitelist Zam! :(
____________________________
#220 Jan 20 2012 at 5:47 PM Rating: Good
Avatar
***
1,609 posts
I just said who to back up my previous statement. I remeber Basch, Van, Penelo and that is about it. That is about as big of an impact 12 had on me.

So yeah, SE has one last chance to lure my business back...I really hope they can pull it off, but as some have stated before, I just have a hard time believing it is possible.
____________________________


"I've never watched a nuclear explosion myself. That's a couple of degrees of stupid above my limit"- Old Man Harris
#221 Jan 20 2012 at 6:39 PM Rating: Good
***
3,530 posts
hexaemeron wrote:


Yowza. Although I like him more after a bit of a shave... >_>
____________________________
"... he called to himself a wizard, named Gallery, hoping by this means to escape the paying of the fifteen hundred crowns..." (Machen 15)

"Thus opium is pleasing... on account of the agreeable delirium it produces." (Burke para.6)

"I could only read so much for this paper and the syphilis poem had to go."
#222 Jan 20 2012 at 6:46 PM Rating: Decent
Avatar
**
852 posts
I'll take as is.
____________________________
#223 Jan 20 2012 at 6:50 PM Rating: Excellent
****
9,526 posts
eh, mutamix, I am here cause I am on the zam. It is the zam that has my interest, not XIV. I get bored. I read stuff. Dunno what else to say about that.

I'll give 2.0 a shot most likely (as long as it is free to try) but I'm an odd duck. Most people that spent 80 bucks and got nothing but frustration out of it will probably be uninterested in giving it another shot.

Edited, Jan 20th 2012 4:50pm by Olorinus
____________________________
lolgaxe wrote:
When it comes to sitting around not doing anything for long periods of time, only being active for short windows, and marginal changes and sidegrades I'd say FFXI players were the perfect choice for politicians.


#224 Jan 20 2012 at 8:12 PM Rating: Good
Scholar
Avatar
**
560 posts
MutamixBubblypots wrote:
Susanoh wrote:
MutamixBubblypots wrote:
Ok Mr. Economist, it doesn't matter how they market 2.0 because people like you will still be here to try it out when it is released. **** you think 1.0 is crap and they're marketing 2.0 wrong and you're playing the "most awesome" MMO that's out right now, yet you're still hanging out on these boards. IMO that proves that at least no matter how bad a product is as long as you have brand recognition and a chance to correct what you did wrong people are going to come back to your product.


Taking the actions of a single person and using that as "proof" of the actions of any significant amount of people is insane. If you don't think so, imagine how foolish I'd sound if I said "I know this guy who played FF14 and he quit, and hasn't looked at anything FF14 related since. IMO this proves that if consumers don't like a product they won't give that product another look."


Some of Azury's actions/opinions apply to other people as well like Olorinus, LillithaFenimore, and tpgsoldier for example. Some of them may not think SWTOR is the "most awesome" MMO ever or marketing for 2.0 sucks, but given the fact they constantly come on this board to post something shows that they're interested in the product or willing to give the product another try even though they think 1.0 "sucks". EDIT: Also look below to see who's online, look at how many Anonymous Guests we have. Sure some may be bots, but there is interest in this game even if most of those people don't post.

Dealing with your statement, it depends on why that person hasn't looked at anything FF14 related since they quit. Is it because of some external factor, like working all the time or studying, or maybe they can't pay for the internet for awhile? If it's not those things, then the other possible conclusion is that they're not that interested. Could they become interested again? Yes, they could, but that would require them seeing some article online or reading some other people's opinions on the game. So using that statement itself is foolish, but I don't think it's really comparable to interest. When most people look up a topic or talk about a topic, it's because they're either interested in it, want to learn more about it, or they're researching about it. Those three things require effort on part of the person looking at the topic, so in other words some form of interest.

I know these are very blanket statements and interest doesn't always mean sells, but in the case of FFXIV 2.0 I think most people that are interested are going to come back and give it a try.

Edited, Jan 20th 2012 4:52am by MutamixBubblypots


I still look at the Age of Conan and warhammer online forums too. I havent played either of those games in 2-3 years. I seriously doubt if I ever play either of them again, i just like to follow their progress or lack of progress. I kinda feel like I will do the same with FFXIV.

I have $40 worth of crysta on my account and if I ever return to the game I would love to have one of the new special mounts. Thing is i am pretty sure i will not ever play again unless the game defies all odds and becomes something absolutely amazing. So I wont even bother to waste $13 of $40 my fake currency(crysta) to have access to FFXIV for a month so I can log in and claim my mount.

I will continue to follow th games progress tho.

Edited, Jan 20th 2012 9:13pm by tpgsoldier
____________________________


1 2 3 4 5 Next »
This forum is read only
This Forum is Read Only!
Recent Visitors: 16 All times are in CST
Anonymous Guests (16)