Forum Settings
       
This Forum is Read Only

Could a subscription fee make people play and enjoy FFXIV?Follow

#1 Jan 10 2012 at 7:26 PM Rating: Decent
**
557 posts
Well, at least gently encourage people already playing and enjoying FFXIV to play and enjoy it even more?

It could, as per this article.

People could very well feel "Hey, I'm paying for this, it must be okay, and I should play it instead of other games I own since I'm not paying for them right now."

A savvy strategy on SE's part? Or doomed to fail?
____________________________


#2 Jan 10 2012 at 7:29 PM Rating: Good
Avatar
**
852 posts
If that actually works, I will have to downgrade my already unfortunately low opinion on the intelligence of others.
____________________________
#3 Jan 10 2012 at 7:58 PM Rating: Good
**
640 posts
I used to think that I would start playing this once they started taking paid for it because of it would be good enough by then. Now I'm waiting for 2.0.
#4 Jan 10 2012 at 8:46 PM Rating: Good
Avatar
***
1,609 posts
Yeah I've given up on FF period. This game has turned me off to the brand. I'll check back at 2.0, but IDK if I may try it again then maybe not. Just over the past few days seeing how they are handling forms of payment (or lack there of handling) and also some of the fanbois on the forums...just has turned me off the the FF brand now.

I just seem to have a completely different view of SE and their handling of things all because of this game, and especially their preferred treatment to their Japanese clients. It just doesn't set right with me. IDK, it's like a big slap in the face, especially since I have been an avid fan of the brand since FFVII. IDK, who knows.

I guess I got off topic. I don't think being forced to pay for this game would make me enjoy it more. It's boring, full of fan boy fanantics who ridicule you if you don't bow down and kiss SE's ****, and all the other issues this game has. I just wouldn't be able to enjoy it, and I would feel as if I am being ripped off. I already still feel as if I have been ripped off cause we bought a new rig specifically to play this game and the SE box set and it sucked.

Edited, Jan 10th 2012 9:46pm by LillithaFenimore
____________________________


"I've never watched a nuclear explosion myself. That's a couple of degrees of stupid above my limit"- Old Man Harris
#5 Jan 11 2012 at 9:21 AM Rating: Good
***
3,530 posts
yfaithfully wrote:
Well, at least gently encourage people already playing and enjoying FFXIV to play and enjoy it even more?

It could, as per this article.


I'm not so sure about that, as the article is about not enjoying an MMO for which one is paying, and finally breaking free of a tedious, repetitive MMO grind:

"...a curious thing happens when I pay a monthly fee to log in to a persistent world: investment, and not in a good way."

"If I wasn't doing something else at the same time, the game itself would quickly get boring. Why the **** was I playing game that wasn't fun?"

"...something felt wrong about booting up another game when, every six months, an $80 charge hit my credit card for WoW. Sitting in front of my monitor figuring out what game I wanted to play, I often felt paralyzed. I felt negative emotions of guilt, resentment and anger, no matter what I chose to do."
____________________________
"... he called to himself a wizard, named Gallery, hoping by this means to escape the paying of the fifteen hundred crowns..." (Machen 15)

"Thus opium is pleasing... on account of the agreeable delirium it produces." (Burke para.6)

"I could only read so much for this paper and the syphilis poem had to go."
#6 Jan 11 2012 at 12:38 PM Rating: Good
***
3,825 posts
I know I am playing more than I was when the game was free... I need to justify my money spent ^.^
____________________________
FFXI:Sylph - Perrin 75 Hume THF; Retired (At least from my use any way)
EVE Online:ScraperX; Retired
WAR:IronClaw- Peryn SW;SkullThrone- Grymloc BO; Retired


#7 Jan 11 2012 at 1:09 PM Rating: Good
***
1,083 posts
Perrin, ****** Superhero wrote:
I know I am playing more than I was when the game was free... I need to justify my money spent ^.^


But are you enjoying it more?? lol.
____________________________
Wada: "There may be some areas of testing that were lacking or too rigid."
#8 Jan 11 2012 at 1:28 PM Rating: Default
*
215 posts
Then why are free to play games successful? This won't make the game any more enjoyable...
#9 Jan 11 2012 at 2:12 PM Rating: Excellent
***
3,530 posts
rikkuotaku wrote:
Perrin, ****** Superhero wrote:
I know I am playing more than I was when the game was free... I need to justify my money spent ^.^


But are you enjoying it more?? lol.


Have you never played an MMO before, you silly fellow? They're not meant to be enjoyed. o_O
____________________________
"... he called to himself a wizard, named Gallery, hoping by this means to escape the paying of the fifteen hundred crowns..." (Machen 15)

"Thus opium is pleasing... on account of the agreeable delirium it produces." (Burke para.6)

"I could only read so much for this paper and the syphilis poem had to go."
#10 Jan 11 2012 at 3:25 PM Rating: Good
Scholar
Avatar
*****
12,709 posts
zuogehaomeng wrote:
Then why are free to play games successful? This won't make the game any more enjoyable...


Because you buy to win and as charlie sheen made it so clearly, people like to win.

____________________________

#11 Jan 11 2012 at 3:54 PM Rating: Default
Avatar
***
1,609 posts
KaneKitty wrote:
rikkuotaku wrote:
Perrin, ****** Superhero wrote:
I know I am playing more than I was when the game was free... I need to justify my money spent ^.^


But are you enjoying it more?? lol.


Have you never played an MMO before, you silly fellow? They're not meant to be enjoyed. o_O


Theonehio wrote:
zuogehaomeng wrote:
Then why are free to play games successful? This won't make the game any more enjoyable...


Because you buy to win and as charlie sheen made it so clearly, people like to win.




Omg! You two just made this pregnant woman have a major belly laugh! Wow! Thanks for the chuckles!

#winning XD
____________________________


"I've never watched a nuclear explosion myself. That's a couple of degrees of stupid above my limit"- Old Man Harris
#12 Jan 11 2012 at 4:02 PM Rating: Good
***
3,825 posts
rikkuotaku wrote:
Perrin, ****** Superhero wrote:
I know I am playing more than I was when the game was free... I need to justify my money spent ^.^


But are you enjoying it more?? lol.


Nope, I'm enjoying it the same as I was before, just more often... so I guess mathematically... yes I'm enjoying it more.
____________________________
FFXI:Sylph - Perrin 75 Hume THF; Retired (At least from my use any way)
EVE Online:ScraperX; Retired
WAR:IronClaw- Peryn SW;SkullThrone- Grymloc BO; Retired


#13 Jan 11 2012 at 5:06 PM Rating: Decent
***
2,202 posts
I don't know about the enjoyment part, but some people would feel more compelled to try and like it more, since now they are paying for it, on the other hand, as SE is now charging for their services, it is a service, and not a free game like before, now they NEED! To stay on top of things, no more slow updates or subpar updates, now they need to show their loyal consumers, that they are serious, no more riding the pony on the "We are rebuilding the game, the foundation, the blablablabla talking points that we have been hearing since last Year."

But we all know SE wont deliver :/
____________________________
MUTED
#14 Jan 12 2012 at 7:48 AM Rating: Good
*
116 posts
As posters earlier have stated, I can't be sure that the fee will make players enjoy the game but I believe that because they're now paying for, they'll definitely be more apt to log in and play.

I consider myself to be a prime example. Prior to the P2P model going into effect I would haphazardly log in from time to time, maybe run a quest or two and gain a level if I was lucky. Over-all felt very 'meh' about it all.
I had a discussion with the to-be wife (who had a character but didn't like the game at all) just before SE took our money and we decided that if we're going to pay for it, lets actually put effort into it.
We both re-rolled with the expectation XIV would be 'ok I guess', but surprisingly we've spent several late nights thoroughly enjoying the game.
I personally can't wait 'til this evening to log-in again!

So yeah, if SE wouldn't have started charging I probably wouldn't have given a **** to give XIV a real chance. I bet more than a few players feel this way too. I'm personally amazed at the amount of people at the level 1, 10 & 20 camps. I assumed they'd be totally vacant but, low and behold there's been at least a half dozen poorly equipped, no linkshell characters running leaves or waiting for the battle warden every time I stumble into one.

tl;dr :: I wouldn't have given the game another worth-while shot if SE wouldn't have implemented its payment plan and I think a lot of players, both new and returning feel about the same.
____________________________
FFXIV :: Valdai Devarda \ Lindblum Sargatanas "The Thread Closer"
.............................................................................................................
#15 Jan 12 2012 at 1:44 PM Rating: Good
****
9,526 posts
no
____________________________
lolgaxe wrote:
When it comes to sitting around not doing anything for long periods of time, only being active for short windows, and marginal changes and sidegrades I'd say FFXI players were the perfect choice for politicians.


#16 Jan 12 2012 at 4:29 PM Rating: Excellent
Scholar
Avatar
***
1,691 posts
Pay to play can make the game appear better than it is, not when it's been through the PR stink FFXIV has though. They are charging for this very reason right now but it won't work for FFXIV as it does for most other things.

No PR trick will bring FFXIV back, the only thing that is ever going to save it is if they pull off the impossible and make a truely amazing game that is better than most other games on the market at re-launch.

Honestly though, they don't have the skill as a company anymore to achieve this, they put out nice teasers but they always, always fail at implementation. They are basically out of touch now, they used to be good and made awesome games but now, not so much.

They make pretty games, they don't make amazing games anymore.
#17 Jan 12 2012 at 5:25 PM Rating: Excellent
****
9,526 posts
I think what it could be (and I am just tossing ideas out here) is that when Square/Enix started:

a) there was a lot less competition in their field

b) everything was much more simple. People didn't mind mashing "x" (insert appropriate button name) back when RPGs were simple and the only alternatives were equally simple, ditto with linear storylines.

c) The resources needed to produce a top-tier game were proportionately smaller (I could be wrong but I would be surprised if sprites take as many employee hours to make as a 3D model, ditto with a flat recycled background vs HD 3d(ish) environments)

d) gamers used to be a lot less vocal. You got what you got back when gaming was more in its infancy, while people definitely talked about what games they liked etc, I think gamers today are a lot more sophisticated about what they want in a game (and because games are more complicated there is more to nitpick) and they aren't afraid to express their disinterest in what studios produce for them.

e) They made good games before without listening to anyone and can't understand why people want to be heard now/think that their past performance is proof of not needing feedback

f) Less had "been done" before so it was easier to innovate (successfully)

Things have changed, and unfortunately, SE didn't change with them. I also get the feeling that they misdiagnosed their former success - like maybe they think the reason 7, 8 and 9 did well was because the graphics were good - not for the real reasons people played them

Edited, Jan 12th 2012 3:28pm by Olorinus
____________________________
lolgaxe wrote:
When it comes to sitting around not doing anything for long periods of time, only being active for short windows, and marginal changes and sidegrades I'd say FFXI players were the perfect choice for politicians.


#18 Jan 12 2012 at 8:44 PM Rating: Default
Scholar
Avatar
*****
12,709 posts
Runespider wrote:
Pay to play can make the game appear better than it is, not when it's been through the PR stink FFXIV has though. They are charging for this very reason right now but it won't work for FFXIV as it does for most other things.

No PR trick will bring FFXIV back, the only thing that is ever going to save it is if they pull off the impossible and make a truely amazing game that is better than most other games on the market at re-launch.

Honestly though, they don't have the skill as a company anymore to achieve this, they put out nice teasers but they always, always fail at implementation. They are basically out of touch now, they used to be good and made awesome games but now, not so much.

They make pretty games, they don't make amazing games anymore.


I doubt they can make a better game at relaunch than what will be available, not because the other games are good or anything, but because they're so utterly generic that it seems that's what people want from an MMO these days. They can make a game in THEIR vision and if it attracts people, it does...if it doesn't then well it just doesn't, because in order to make something better than a generic MMO, they have to take those MMOs and put a twist to it which is basically what every new MMO has been doing, it's almost guaranteed any new MMO you pick up it'll feel instantly familiar to you.

Some say that's a very good thing, but you can argue that's a very bad thing because it means the MMO you just picked up is nothing new.
____________________________

This forum is read only
This Forum is Read Only!
Recent Visitors: 24 All times are in CST
Anonymous Guests (24)