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#1 Feb 06 2012 at 11:34 PM Rating: Decent
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We had a party setup of Glad(me), Lancer, 2 Conj's, Arc and 3 Thm. And yea... we totally got our asses kicked right in the beginning, somehow I just couldn't keep the hate on me with Flash, provoke, rampart etc... Anyone got any tips in how to defeat him? Gladiator tips are appreciated! Thx :)
#2 Feb 07 2012 at 12:19 AM Rating: Good
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When he jumps, move a little bit forward when he lands, and then go back into position. I'm pretty sure that's so the plumes stay in position when he pops them.
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#3 Feb 07 2012 at 3:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Cure is your best friend for grabbing and keeping hate, whenever you can cast cure on yourself, and if you have it use AoE cure whenever its avaliable off cooldown.
Other self cure abilities such as "Seconnd Wind"(pgl) are very handy as well, if you have problems with healers topping you off to fast then talk to them and let them know in which situations you plan to cure youself.

If you then feel that you struggle with mp, remember you can sheate your weapons while Ifrit is in the air and usualy get at least 1-2 ticks of mp back.

Holding agggro by healing on fights like theese is the most reliable way to tank, it far outshines anything you can accomplish with combos or hate moves.

Hope this helps and best of luck.
#4 Feb 07 2012 at 5:39 AM Rating: Decent
I think it is important that new people experience on Iffy as much as possible.
It's one of those fights that you just need to try out everything you have.
I think the first question you need to ask is, who is pulling hate from you?

DD need to be vigilant about their hate - especially THM I have noticed. Chameleon is really good for DD if they have Archer levelled.
CON should be using the hate remove ability all the time too. The less hate CON's have the less eruptions seem to appear below them.
CON should never heal the DD! If DD gets hit (which they shouldn't do) it is their own responsibility to heal back up.
If CON starts healing also the DD that could have hate, CON can actually pull hate on himself by doing so.

I am not a GLD so I can't tell which abilities pull hate the most but I am sure you know how to play your job. All I am saying that it's a team effort and everyone needs to be doing their best, whether it is doing damage or stopping damage when hate becomes an issue.
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#5 Feb 07 2012 at 9:17 AM Rating: Excellent
As Gladiator:

Enter, eat food if you already havent, run around the edge and line up behind iffy. draw weapon and use provoke first, then flash, then hit invigorate, then aegis boon and war drum, hit him once or twice and then use your combo flat blade to get more hate. Then quickly use rampart and sentinal before featherfoot - rince repeat. When he starts to jump, at the end of his run move a few stpes out and keep your eye on him, when he jumps up at the end of his dash then run back, turn around and provioke/flash w/e you have got. When he starts to dash three times then use rampart when your teammates are next to you plus sacred prism and cure. If you go down it is possible to get hate back using these two but its very hard to do so.

When he does hellfire move two steps forward and two steps left to get the best allignement and when he dashes after go back to original position. Keep using aegis boon as often as you can to help mages as well as second wind etc. Make sure you save rampart and of course sentinal for hellfire. I usually hit rampart after the mele have killed one nail and this will be up when he junps for hellfire.

Good luck!
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#6 Feb 07 2012 at 9:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Oh! If you have stoneskin up. Don't use aegis boon because you'll lose it ^^;
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#7 Feb 07 2012 at 10:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Thx everyone its much appreciated!! I'll just have to go level Lancer to unlock invigorate and level Conj again to unlock my Aoe cure.

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draw weapon and use provoke first, then flash, then hit invigorate, then aegis boon and war drum, hit him once or twice and then use your combo flat blade to get more hate.


Do I use provoke+flash one after the other? Or do I wait a a bit?
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Run, arms flailing. Screaming like a little girl :). GL! Seriously though, the advice above sounds great.
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#9 Feb 07 2012 at 12:01 PM Rating: Good
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armyhawk wrote:
Thx everyone its much appreciated!! I'll just have to go level Lancer to unlock invigorate and level Conj again to unlock my Aoe cure.

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draw weapon and use provoke first, then flash, then hit invigorate, then aegis boon and war drum, hit him once or twice and then use your combo flat blade to get more hate.


Do I use provoke+flash one after the other? Or do I wait a a bit?


I usually pop invigorate right when I enter than run around circle behind him.
Then:
Sentinel->Provoke->Flash->Rampart->Combo (with flatblade)->Outmaneuver/rinse and repeat
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#10 Feb 07 2012 at 12:59 PM Rating: Decent
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i tank ifrit as mrd not gla, mrd holds way better hate then gla does lol
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shady113 wrote:
i tank ifrit as mrd not gla, mrd holds way better hate then gla does lol


Depends on the GLA personally :P I go with 2 CNJ/5 THM and they all do about 10k damage each (thm's).

Unless I slow down I never lose hate :)
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#12 Feb 07 2012 at 4:19 PM Rating: Decent
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And another thing, should i equip enmity materia?
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Elionara wrote:

I usually pop invigorate right when I enter than run around circle behind him.
Then:
Sentinel->Provoke->Flash->Rampart->Combo (with flatblade)->Outmaneuver/rinse and repeat

This is pretty much the answer. I pop Invigorate as soon as I enter, run around the ring, get in position, pull out my weapon and wait for the first strike. Then I pop Sentinel, Rampart, Provoke, Flash, Enmity Combo with Keen Flurry, Enmity Combo, then repeat skills when up. Eventually, you'll have tons of hate and not need to grind the hate train. This works for both GLA and MRD.

Enmity materia helps. I'd recommend a belt with it on it.


Edited, Feb 7th 2012 7:08pm by SFChakan
#14 Feb 08 2012 at 12:23 PM Rating: Excellent
armyhawk wrote:
And another thing, should i equip enmity materia?


It really doesn't hurt to have it. I only have mine on my belt (I think you get it on one of the sentinel pieces too but I forget which one off the top of my head)Everyone has their own way of doing things with the abilities provided. Just get into your groove and as long as the mage do their job you actually have one of the easiest jobs in my opinion. A good tank should be able to hold hate away from all other jobs but on the occasion you don't provoke or a flash should get it back quick then its just a matter of repositioning yourself again.

Yes Provoke first as it is seen as the stronger enmity producer and if you have weapon out at that point before flash goes off you should have at least one hit on iffy. By the time you have hit invigorate and then Aegis Boon your 500tp for war drum should be ready. When you start to manage your tp well after a little while you can get some reasonably nice damage with some of your higher combo's too but only use these after you have used all your current hate generators or else you may run the risk of losing hate because there is no way you can beat any of the DD for damage unless they are not very good. My online friends sometimes use parsers for this and its easy to spot people that are not hurting iffy enough and this allows you to figure out what they need to do to improve - constructive criticism!

Sounds like all the advice so far from the ZAM community is very good. Once again good luck and happy tanking!
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