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#1 Feb 20 2012 at 12:02 PM Rating: Good
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wondering if there were still any ***/*** friendly linkshells shells around. with the upcomming server transfer/merge happening i'm hoping to get on the same server.
i've done a few google searches but all the form posts i'm finding are outdated from 2010.

what i need to know is:
1. what new server will you be on.
2. ls name and webpage if you have one.
3. two or three character contacts so i can get a hold of you.
#2 Feb 20 2012 at 12:11 PM Rating: Good
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Kai, have you tried posting on the forums? Would the forums allow such a topic or would it be too risqué for that community?
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There is definitely one on Selbina, but the name escapes me at the moment. But I know they are active and recruiting. If I remember the name or see another shout for it while in Ul'Dah I will post it here.
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Wow...im really embarrassed that you really need to look for a homosexual-"friendly"-shell nowadays. Its more than that, its sad in every way...maybe its my background, living in cologne and now i live in berlin. I was lucky enough to have homosexual buddies too.

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If anyone else playing wouldn't mind letting the community know of other shells like this that span the servers that would be awesome. That way anyone else searching for a ***/******* community can have a reference. ^_^
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Py, I'm guessing the op is from the US. Even though ***/*******/bi/transgender tolerance is much much much better, there is still quite a bit of civil issues and phobias of it here. Good example is an article I found on NpR the other day about *** coupled aging and looking for retirement communities and they were told they should live as "sister" as not to offend the other residence :/. So maybe the op feels more comfortable in a community where he knows s/he will be accepted hands down.

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I know there's one on Mysidia, merged from two, one of which I was in when I played. Awesome, great group of people.
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Come to Rabanastre (soon to be Durandel).
Please check us out at gaygamerls.forumotion.com

We ask you "apply". We're also all on a first name basis with eachother. I think you'll feel quite at home.

/tell Cameron Raad, Ukiyo Neko, Oreo Cobo, Levin Azure or Howl Jenkins. We have about 45 members. (2 straight guys too!)

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Edited, Feb 20th 2012 2:12pm by deronguerra
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deronguerra wrote:
Come to Rabanastre (soon to be Durandel).
Please check us out at gaygamerls.forumotion.com

We ask you "apply". We're also all on a first name basis with eachother. I think you'll feel quite at home.

/tell Cameron Raad, Ukiyo Neko, Oreo Cobo, Levin Azure or Howl Jenkins. We have about 45 members. (2 straight guys too!)

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Edited, Feb 20th 2012 2:12pm by deronguerra



That's awesome. I think f*g stags are awesome. (And please, pardon my salt language, but it's a term of endearment!)
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Lol "The Family" LS on selbina advertises LGBT friendly everywhere they go. sadly i lasted maybe a month before the **** humor and guys hitting on other guys got to me. I never knew heterosexual hate existed until i joined a *** ls... all they do is get off on trying to 'creep out' straight guys.
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Lol "The Family" LS on selbina advertises LGBT friendly everywhere they go. sadly i lasted maybe a month before the **** humor and guys hitting on other guys got to me. I never knew heterosexual hate existed until i joined a *** ls... all they do is get off on trying to 'creep out' straight guys.


Wow, that was really your experience? That's unfortunate. Believe me when I tell you, we're not all like that.
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People are aware of our shell on Rab. Most of us do endgame with other shells and on occassion they "help out the homos". In fact, last night someone from my endgame came and helped us do Ifrit. He felt awkward at first (he wanted to joke because he and I have joked on vent) but didn't know the rest of party would feel. It wasn't long before we were having a blast- cracking all sorts of "***" jokes.

I'm sorry if people haven't felt at home in a open *** LS. I can tell you on Rabanastre I've never felt uncomfortable. I'm actually thinking of posting something closer to the server merge. Rabanstre seems to be full of mature people. Hoping those Cornelia folks are the same.

So-- if you are on Cornelia and wanna be pearled when we merge, let us know!
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Wow...im really embarrassed that you really need to look for a homosexual-"friendly"-shell nowadays. Its more than that, its sad in every way...maybe its my background, living in cologne and now i live in berlin. I was lucky enough to have homosexual buddies too.



I'm thinking this isn't a case of looking for a LS that doesn't give a crap if you're ***, and more of looking for a shell that IS *** (made up mostly of LGBT-whatever members). We had a few idiots try and add shells to the server forums that specifically said no gays... guess how that went. I'm pretty sure at the end of the day most of us just want to play with good people, no matter how they sleep with whoever it is they have in their lives.

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Boyfriend and I tried to get into Gaygamers on Rabby before we stopped playing. No one answered us..x.x
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deronguerra wrote:
We have about 45 members. (2 straight curious guys too!)


Fixed. :P

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Boyfriend and I tried to get into Gaygamers on Rabby before we stopped playing. No one answered us..x.x


Come Back!

Sorry :X If no one got back to you it may have been during our repearl/reform. I see you quit game at the end of the year 2011 which sounds about the time things got crazy in GG. We are under "new leadership" (there was drama- if you could believe it..) and the old leader stepped down.

If you come back look us up!

and I LOL'd at KaneKitty's "curious". Actually one of the straight guys asks us for advice for things to do for his girlfriend on special occassions. Not saying he's not curious.. of course..
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I'm sorry but seeing that topic made me burst out laughing. Thank you for that friend. I knew some that played on the Rab server. Don't think they play anymore though.

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Trying much?

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#18 Feb 21 2012 at 3:11 AM Rating: Good
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EDIT:double post.

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#19 Feb 21 2012 at 3:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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there is a predominantly *** linkshell on Rabanastre/Durandal called Gaymers.

But beyond that, there are a significant majority of *** players outside that linkshell as well.


I'm almost positive its because of Balthier.
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I'm confused. Why is it that you want a *** linkshell?

Does it matter what orientation the other people in your linkshell are? Wouldn't you rather get in a shell that has good and friendly people regardless of if they're *** or straight? Why limit yourself to such a narrow scope when there are already a ton of good shells out there?
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Caia wrote:
I'm confused. Why is it that you want a *** linkshell?

Does it matter what orientation the other people in your linkshell are? Wouldn't you rather get in a shell that has good and friendly people regardless of if they're *** or straight? Why limit yourself to such a narrow scope when there are already a ton of good shells out there?


I'm confused. Why is it you feel the need to question why someone would want to be in a GLBT oriented linkshell?

Does it matter what other people like? Wouldn't you rather simply mind your own business instead of opening your mouth and removing any doubt of being a fool? Why even bother to come in here with a narrowminded comment when there are already a ton of other good threads out there?
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^This.

Caia, it's really none of our business.
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LillithaFenimore wrote:
^This.

Caia, it's really none of our business.



While I agree could you imagine if someone would have come here and made a thread saying they were looking for an all white LS. I doubt that would have been received well.

Again I agree its none of our business.
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Tp, maybe not, but it is still the posters perogative. We can either as a community contribute to information the poster needs or ignore it, regardless if we agree or disagree with said topic.
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I'm confused. Why is it that you want a *** linkshell?

Does it matter what orientation the other people in your linkshell are? Wouldn't you rather get in a shell that has good and friendly people regardless of if they're *** or straight? Why limit yourself to such a narrow scope when there are already a ton of good shells out there?


I assume it's because they want to be themselves and say whatever they want without fear of angering or grossing other people out. I had a *** friend ages ago and the stuff he would say sometimes...XD in reality it was no worse than what a hetero person would say about what they got upto or whatever but if you're not used to it or are as closed minded as the vast majority of people are it can lead to a lot of bad feeling and anger. Just the way it is.

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While I agree could you imagine if someone would have come here and made a thread saying they were looking for an all white LS. I doubt that would have been received well.


These things are never fair, that's a given.

Someone asking for a straight only LS = massive hate, someone asking for a *** only LS (yes I know most of these shells will take straight people too but the point was that one would be accepted and the other not) = perfectly fine. On TV you very often see women only insurance policies and it's accepted, if an advert appeared that was men only there would be a riot. Just the way of things.

Anyway gl to you op, hope you find what you're looking for.
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Caia wrote:
I'm confused. Why is it that you want a *** linkshell?

Does it matter what orientation the other people in your linkshell are? Wouldn't you rather get in a shell that has good and friendly people regardless of if they're *** or straight? Why limit yourself to such a narrow scope when there are already a ton of good shells out there?


As I already said, I take issue to the term *** friendly for a LS (because we really all should be welcoming to anyone that makes a positive contribution in our MMO groups, and real life choices really shouldn't even be a part of that) BUT seeking out a LS full of like minded individuals? Makes perfect sense to me.

Same reason there are/were Taru only LSs in XI or Galka only, same reason that alot of LSs heavily recruit from a single nation etc... It's to have a group of like minded individuals.

Maybe *** folks don't want to hear about opposite *** realtionship issues while feeling uncomfortable bringing up something like "yeah my BF does that all the time" and then having to explain that yes, you are indeed a male. I can see where that would get old fast.
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Caia wrote:
I'm confused. Why is it that you want a *** linkshell?

Does it matter what orientation the other people in your linkshell are? Wouldn't you rather get in a shell that has good and friendly people regardless of if they're *** or straight? Why limit yourself to such a narrow scope when there are already a ton of good shells out there?


I'm confused. Why is it you feel the need to question why someone would want to be in a GLBT oriented linkshell?

Does it matter what other people like? Wouldn't you rather simply mind your own business instead of opening your mouth and removing any doubt of being a fool? Why even bother to come in here with a narrowminded comment when there are already a ton of other good threads out there?


For the same reason I'd question why someone wanted to be in a straight linkshell. Or a white linkshell. Or any other linkshell based on some characteristic that has nothing to do with the game.

No, it doesn't matter what people look like, happen to be attracted to, or anything else. That's the whole point of me asking why. If you think me question such motives makes me narrowminded or foolish, so be it. I think you need to step back and look at what I said, not what you assumed I said. I very clearly laid out in my post that I didn't think any characteristic should matter when looking for a linkshell (aside perhaps ability to play and the amount of fun one brings to the game).

Lastly I posted in this thread mostly out of curiosity. I find it hard to imagine in this day and age why anyone would want to find a linkshell based on such characteristics.

Label me a homophobe if you like. I'm actually treating this just look I would if someone was looking to join a straight shell. I was under the impression that treating a homosexual just like I would a heterosexual was the basis of treating them equally. If that's an issue for you, so be it. Frankyl, I've no interest in treating others differently based on such trite concerns.
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Caia wrote:
I'm confused. Why is it that you want a *** linkshell?

Does it matter what orientation the other people in your linkshell are? Wouldn't you rather get in a shell that has good and friendly people regardless of if they're *** or straight? Why limit yourself to such a narrow scope when there are already a ton of good shells out there?


I'm confused. Why is it you feel the need to question why someone would want to be in a GLBT oriented linkshell?

Does it matter what other people like? Wouldn't you rather simply mind your own business instead of opening your mouth and removing any doubt of being a fool? Why even bother to come in here with a narrowminded comment when there are already a ton of other good threads out there?


You really should take your own advice, Mr. fool.
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Caia I don't think you're a homophobe, and where you're coming from is understandable, but situationally idealistic. If everyone were open and accepting of everyone else, no one here could make a stronger argument than you.

However, that's not the case. Women can be frequently sexually harassed simply because they were born with a ******. Gays traditionally kept their mouths shut on VENT or in guild chats because they didn't want to open themselves up to judgment, scorn or even the possibility of it in a venue that is supposed to be pure entertainment. The real world has enough intolerance and it's nice to have that escape for awhile, so I entirely understand why people would seek to minimize those awkward possibilities. They just want to be able to have their enjoyment in peace.

And as much as I absolutely understand it, I think we sometimes proactively sell people short that we won't be accepted. Things are changing, even in gameland, and that's a great thing.

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Caia, I don't think anyone was labeling you as a homophobe, it's just really none of our concern. Many others have given reasons above, so I won't give anymore.

Just like it's none of your business to know about my inner depths of my life and such, it's none of ours to question why the op would prefer a GLBT LS only, or anyone else looking for a selective LS. It's defintely curious, but really not our place to poke and prod at someone's personal life. Some people are just very private for their own personal reasons and people should respect that privacy, regardless if we agree or disagree.
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And as much as I absolutely understand it, I think we sometimes proactively sell people short that we won't be accepted. Things are changing, even in gameland, and that's a great thing.


I dunno, the same *** stuff in the recent BioWare games is a bit weird... (the way it's presented, I mean seriously... who gets it on without taking their pants off).
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hexaemeron wrote:
And as much as I absolutely understand it, I think we sometimes proactively sell people short that we won't be accepted. Things are changing, even in gameland, and that's a great thing.


I dunno, the same *** stuff in the recent BioWare games is a bit weird... (the way it's presented, I mean seriously... who gets it on without taking their pants off).


You've never just unzipped and gone to town?

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Ahem... Ok there fellahs...
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LillithaFenimore wrote:
Ahem... Ok there fellahs...


Oh my bad, I didn't mean to indirectly insinuate that women couldn't do that too!
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Oo; Alrighty then there Hex... Anywho. Glad to see a thread like this pop up. I'm a huge supporter of the GLBT community. Always wondered if many of them were gamers or not. Now I know :)
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hexaemeron wrote:
Perrin, ****** Superhero wrote:
hexaemeron wrote:
And as much as I absolutely understand it, I think we sometimes proactively sell people short that we won't be accepted. Things are changing, even in gameland, and that's a great thing.


I dunno, the same *** stuff in the recent BioWare games is a bit weird... (the way it's presented, I mean seriously... who gets it on without taking their pants off).


You've never just unzipped and gone to town?

Edited, Feb 21st 2012 5:20pm by hexaemeron

Edited, Feb 21st 2012 5:20pm by hexaemeron


I find that in my old age I am not very creative anymore pretty much bed or nothing these days. The backseat of a car was awsome when I was a kid but now, no thanks.
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i'm *** and i know what you mean. i've kicked a few *** members out of the *** linkshell i was in in ffxi because they were too immature. always looking to shock and impress people.
but its not the sexuality that creates this behaviour, its purely immaturaty. you find this in every culture, sexuality, etc. it just comes out in different ways.
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if you read my origninal post. i said i was looking for ***/*** friendly ls.
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Hey guys, it's just a LS in a game. Lighten up a bit. Not everything has to be taken so seriously.
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there is a predominantly *** linkshell on Rabanastre/Durandal called Gaymers.

But beyond that, there are a significant majority of *** players outside that linkshell as well.
I'm almost positive its because of Balthier.


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Unless you're hoping to score some quickies in the local internet cafe bathroom, why would you even care what sexuality people are?
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Wow...im really embarrassed that you really need to look for a homosexual-"friendly"-shell nowadays. Its more than that, its sad in every way...maybe its my background, living in cologne and now i live in berlin. I was lucky enough to have homosexual buddies too.


This is why:

tpgsoldier wrote:
While I agree could you imagine if someone would have come here and made a thread saying they were looking for an all white LS. I doubt that would have been received well.


We are compared to one of the most evil and basic forms of human hate just for wanting to know others like ourselves. No matter how you slice it, it is not heterosexual discrimination to seek entry into a group with common interests who are dealing with similar issues in their lives.

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For the same reason I'd question why someone wanted to be in a straight linkshell. Or a white linkshell. Or any other linkshell based on some characteristic that has nothing to do with the game.


And again - seriously heterosexuals are not some kind of victims of discrimination here just because a homosexual would prefer to surround him\herself with other homosexuals. I have yet to see a GLBT guild that rejected any heterosexual applicants, so you cannot compare us to someone looking to join a white supremacy group whose entire purpose is to exclude a minority group as opposed to embracing one.


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Unless you're hoping to score some quickies in the local internet cafe bathroom, why would you even care what sexuality people are?


Or the classic go-to "they just wants a hookup."

This is why we want a sanctuary - so we don't have to deal with this kind of nonsense in our everyday lives. Welcome to 2012, where ignorance still abounds.
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Caia wrote:
I'm confused. Why is it that you want a *** linkshell?

Does it matter what orientation the other people in your linkshell are? Wouldn't you rather get in a shell that has good and friendly people regardless of if they're *** or straight? Why limit yourself to such a narrow scope when there are already a ton of good shells out there?


I don't think he wants a *** only LS and not to be party of anything else. Just to know there is a place to go where there is an established community. It's easy when you are in the mainstream of what is generally accepted to ask this. So here is a brief history lesson:

In the USA It wasn't long ago that women couldn't own land, african-americans were considered personal property, and african americans/women couldn't vote- they were all second class citizens. Then they became separate but "equal" (really... just as long as you sit over there I'll tolerate you). Today- They have all the same rights-- but there is still a culture of discrimination that lingers. Even today a mixed couple can get stares depending on where in the world you are. Today many same *** couples cannot marry, share benefits/inheritances. One of my dear (older) black friends said to me the other year "I'm so glad the spotlight is off of "us" now. You realize you are fighting for the same thing we had to fight for years ago-- but you are fighting for it today" Even when we achieve full equal benefits--- we will have years ahead of us before we are a fully integrated part of society.

There is a really good chance that if you are *** one of the only social outlets you have is the internet . We are by definition a second class citizen in most parts of the world. While I am NOT saying that's why we would be drawn to each in game I am saying (and I am not a sociologist) that it creates a culture and a bond between us. Again- I'm not scientists and I'm not trying to speak for the entire *** community, rather just shed some light on a subject that you may not understand. We all work, we study and do our own thing. The reason I joined a *** LS was simple: Wow- people like me that I can talk about RL stuff with and play a game I like. I do endgame stuff with other shells. They know I'm ***. They don't care.

Not to sound harsh- but your mentality sounds a bit unseasoned and juvenile so I'll liken it to this: Being in a *** LS is kinda like sitting at the jock table in the cafeteria. You play sports, you study, you work- but you choose to sit with the "team". You don't sit with the skaters, the D&D players, the marching band.. etc. You choose to sit there because that's where you feel home. Now- again- I'm not saying you shouldn't feel at home anywhere you would like to sit. But that's where you want to be. Maybe the OP wants to join a server, do endgame with one shell and have a *** social shell.

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I'm confused. Why is it that you want a *** linkshell?

Does it matter what orientation the other people in your linkshell are? Wouldn't you rather get in a shell that has good and friendly people regardless of if they're *** or straight? Why limit yourself to such a narrow scope when there are already a ton of good shells out there?


I don't think he wants a *** only LS and not to be party of anything else. Just to know there is a place to go where there is an established community. It's easy when you are in the mainstream of what is generally accepted to ask this. So here is a brief history lesson:

In the USA It wasn't long ago that women couldn't own land, african-americans were considered personal property, and african americans/women couldn't vote- they were all second class citizens. Then they became separate but "equal" (really... just as long as you sit over there I'll tolerate you). Today- They have all the same rights-- but there is still a culture of discrimination that lingers. Even today a mixed couple can get stares depending on where in the world you are. Today many same *** couples cannot marry, share benefits/inheritances. One of my dear (older) black friends said to me the other year "I'm so glad the spotlight is off of "us" now. You realize you are fighting for the same thing we had to fight for years ago-- but you are fighting for it today" Even when we achieve full equal benefits--- we will have years ahead of us before we are a fully integrated part of society.

There is a really good chance that if you are *** one of the only social outlets you have is the internet . We are by definition a second class citizen in most parts of the world. While I am NOT saying that's why we would be drawn to each in game I am saying (and I am not a sociologist) that it creates a culture and a bond between us. Again- I'm not scientists and I'm not trying to speak for the entire *** community, rather just shed some light on a subject that you may not understand. We all work, we study and do our own thing. The reason I joined a *** LS was simple: Wow- people like me that I can talk about RL stuff with and play a game I like. I do endgame stuff with other shells. They know I'm ***. They don't care.

Not to sound harsh- but your mentality sounds a bit unseasoned and juvenile so I'll liken it to this: Being in a *** LS is kinda like sitting at the jock table in the cafeteria. You play sports, you study, you work- but you choose to sit with the "team". You don't sit with the skaters, the D&D players, the marching band.. etc. You choose to sit there because that's where you feel home. Now- again- I'm not saying you shouldn't feel at home anywhere you would like to sit. But that's where you want to be. Maybe the OP wants to join a server, do endgame with one shell and have a *** social shell.

/rant off



Good answer :)
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#45 Feb 24 2012 at 2:13 PM Rating: Good
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LillithaFenimore wrote:
Good answer :)

Good but perhaps excessive for Caia's post. It seemed deronguerra went into more of rant directed at people in general. I got more of a "base it on the people, not the preference" type of vibe from Caia's post though I can also understand what deronguerra was saying about finding some like minded people to feel like yourself around.

I guess the biggest thing I would point out is just because it's a *** linkshell, that doesn't mean the person would fit in. Like minded people are still different enough to not agree on everything. I'm sure deronguerra can attest to the fact that just because a person is "***" that doesn't automatically mean they are identical and get along with every other "***" person. Their personalities are just as diverse as any other group out there. And so long as they are human, it means some of them will be pricks, some will be great, and some will be somewhere in between.
#46 Feb 24 2012 at 3:56 PM Rating: Good
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Perrin, ****** Superhero wrote:

I'm thinking this isn't a case of looking for a LS that doesn't give a crap if you're ***, and more of looking for a shell that IS *** (made up mostly of LGBT-whatever members). We had a few idiots try and add shells to the server forums that specifically said no gays... guess how that went. I'm pretty sure at the end of the day most of us just want to play with good people, no matter how they sleep with whoever it is they have in their lives.



Well, that is what i was trying to explain with my poor english ;)
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