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#1 Mar 01 2012 at 4:42 AM Rating: Good
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I tried to apply for a different server at 5:31AM on March 1st and the only two worlds I could transfer to (apart from the one my current server will merge to) were the new Saronia one (limited space) and Ragnarok (?), the server recommended for European players. There was "no space available" for ANY of the other servers. so really, what was the point of this, or did thousands of people apply in the middle of the night??
#2 Mar 01 2012 at 5:07 AM Rating: Good
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so really, what was the point of this, or did thousands hundreds of people apply in the middle of the night??


Come on it's FFXIV. Let's be realistic here...

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#3 Mar 01 2012 at 6:17 AM Rating: Good
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People got what they asked for.

SE must be scratching their collective heads right now trying to figure out why so many people want to transfer when so many people were complaining about being forced to transfer. (option 2 vs option 4)

People were most vocal in their complaints about community not being broken up and people sticking together. Well now that all the servers are full, no one can cancel their transfer request. So linkshells that didn't transfer in their entirety in the first 30 minutes, are now permanently separated. Yes, option 2 is the victory everyone wanted. Good job.

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imho the problem is just the 2k limit for each server... joining ffxiv when i've passed since 2001 6 years on ffxi, entering in a city a feel extremly "lonely" means to drop immediatly. I'm with SE for this Server transfer.. but i do not know why you do not move at 4k the server limit with less servers... but who knows FF has learned how to not understand the SE decisions from long long time ....

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#6 Mar 01 2012 at 8:04 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah you may be right Riku. It took an hour for most servers to lock out. It took a little less than 2 hours for all of them except 1 to lock out. I think that inactive accounts may have been taken into account.


It's like someone said on the official forums that the original option made by Square Enix was the best choice for active players.

While the choice made by the angry mob of die hard fans made it the best choice for inactive players.


Oh well. Good job die hard fans!


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For a year and a half almost every choice SE has made for FFXIV has been terrible. Why did anyone thing server transfers would be any different.

Welcome to FFXIV where everything is delayed and almost every choice made by the dev team is bad.
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They should have merged servers first and then a month or two later allowed free transfers.

Option 2 was fine if we are talking primarily about merging and keeping people together.
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I'm a bit confused as to how it's all being done. Do you HAVE to apply to transfer anywhere? Or if you don't are you just automatically going to where your old server merges/becomes the new one?
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I'm a bit confused as to how it's all being done. Do you HAVE to apply to transfer anywhere? Or if you don't are you just automatically going to where your old server merges/becomes the new one?

You will go to whichever server you are being merged into unless you choose to go elsewhere.

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For a year and a half almost every choice SE has made for FFXIV has been terrible. Why did anyone thing server transfers would be any different.

Welcome to FFXIV where everything is delayed and almost every choice made by the dev team is bad.


How in the world can this be pinned 100% on the shoulders of the FFXIV dev team? You realize, as rikkuotaku pointed out above, this was the option the players cried out for right? The playerbase told SE they didn't want to transfer, but instead preferred a mass migration type plan. It's not entirely upon SE when, just a few hours into opening up what they thought was going to be a relatively small amount of transfers, more people than anticipated based upon their own feedback attempt to transfer.
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#12 Mar 01 2012 at 10:14 AM Rating: Default
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It's 100% SE Fault! Why ? Because they need to grow a Pair! I have said it a million times, listening to their current player base will be their ultimate downfall, and yet here they go again and cave in to the same 25-50 people that compose their official forums, and ***** this Up. SE knew their original option was the right one, but they wanna "Communicate" and make design decisions off poll and stupid stuff like that :/

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Whales wrote:
tpgsoldier wrote:
For a year and a half almost every choice SE has made for FFXIV has been terrible. Why did anyone thing server transfers would be any different.

Welcome to FFXIV where everything is delayed and almost every choice made by the dev team is bad.


How in the world can this be pinned 100% on the shoulders of the FFXIV dev team? You realize, as rikkuotaku pointed out above, this was the option the players cried out for right? The playerbase told SE they didn't want to transfer, but instead preferred a mass migration type plan. It's not entirely upon SE when, just a few hours into opening up what they thought was going to be a relatively small amount of transfers, more people than anticipated based upon their own feedback attempt to transfer.


The way it can 100% be pinned on SE is they got the final say and they made it the way it is. Were fans crying about the transfer being a different way? Yes. Does SE have to listen to retards on the official forums? No. Spend about 10 minutes on that forum and it becomes 100% clear most of the posters there are idiots. SE giving in on the wrong issues is 100% SEs fault.
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While I agree the official forums are a cesspool of vocal minority fanboys, SE would have been reamed either way they went on this decision. Keeping their original plan despite the public outcry would label them as unapproachable, while this option has obviously shown it's ugly head.

There's no right answer there, the extent of which one believes SE should pander to the opinions of the vocal minority is like arguing which ice cream flavor is better, vanilla or chocolate.

Although at this point I think there's a significant number of people who believe SE's ice cream flavor to be pralines and ****.
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i'm an old 40yo player :) i played a lot of rpg online game and not just rpg... ok.. everything was online :)

everytime a game was going to their conclusion or a news would be imported you would always have some that wants a thing, others that wants another. Due my "age" i could just say.. if i was <20 i would let things stay like actual.. here i've my friend, my position, my linkshell... 30> i would have said... letting the server so empty people would leave more than the one that will arrive... and this would mean the dead of the game..

what the first compliant the new players does at SE? this game has no player... there is no one.. in second phase also bugs and other things but if u go around reading articles of 1st time players the reason was the lonelyness of the first impact.

There was no doubt that this fusion has to be done to save the game logic itself (ff online is not done for soloing). what i dont' understand is the 2k limit for each server, but sincerly i do not see how the game could continue with 86 players online on a single server (this is what i saw the first day i opened ffxiv).

If you want to say that now people that have just started a friendship would be divided (imho if you'll write to support they will help) you have my assense, but really.. i do not understand how server with less people than a sinked ship could attract 1 more person to stay more the time of the initial installation :)

my2cents... but considering the 50% discount of SE... 1cent :)
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#16 Mar 01 2012 at 10:29 AM Rating: Decent
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It is interesting how this is getting spun. There were reasons why this option was not their first choice, and they knew there would be fallout. They even said there would be fallout. But, people will be unhappy with any decision they made right or wrong.

Keep in mind, short of deleting accounts of people they *think* may not come back, there is little they can do in the way of balancing that isn't going to impact active players. Which was why they wanted to have active players choose where they were going, and free up worlds for people who have played.

But, people want what they want, even if it isn't want they actually want. If they don't get it, they are mad, and if they get it they are mad.

And while SE has made some INCREDIBLE mistakes, I definitely would chalk this one up in the fans category.
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Ok how is this SE's fault? Everything is! Point blank! I blame them for making me fail my glucose exam and have to get poked 4 times today to retake another >:( Curse you SE!!!

Seriously, I think SE would have gotten chewed out no matter what on this one. Which is why I'm in favor of just a complete wipe at 2.0. I know it won't happen though.
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I think the problem in the issue with which merge system they took lies in that they first decided on a unconventional system, and all the usual whiteknights came out to defend their decision when others demanded a more common type of merger.
And then SE changed their mind to what the majority of forum users posted, and the situation now is a segrated community due to that.

The merge system is fine, the problem lies with how they're executing transfers as well as population caps(what modern MMO day that aspires to be a big player imposes a 2k pop limit per server?).

This problem would've probably ended up the same even if they went with their original plan.

Then again its hasn't even been one day so we wont know that maybe theres some error in their whole transfer system(would suprise me with SE theese days), so maybe its time for everyone to just take a step back and wait a day or two, but I guess thats too much to ask from the XIV community. :>
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I'll wait until auto server transfer... enough said..
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Double trouble.

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There is no such thing as taking a step back!! We must all go irate!!!

Also, vote for Pedro.
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I'm happy to move into Excalibur :) I was thinking of going to another but if I can't move because of what the forum uprising caused so be it.

Truthfully I'm happy it ended up this way. People are going to ***** and thing I'm wrong but everyone whined so much. SOOOOO much about the first way they were going to do it.

So they did it exactly how people wanted. Now SE can snicker in the offices and say: "Ha, whiney brats, we can't say it but take it! /pumpfist motion"

So much rage on forums now, people can't see that given the choice they will ***** each other over, just like they did now. :)
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ladyclarissa wrote:
I tried to apply for a different server at 5:31AM on March 1st and the only two worlds I could transfer to (apart from the one my current server will merge to) were the new Saronia one (limited space) and Ragnarok (?), the server recommended for European players. There was "no space available" for ANY of the other servers. so really, what was the point of this, or did thousands of people apply in the middle of the night??


This is perplexing. It makes choosing a server to move to a fool's choice if you're attempting to do this as a group, and no doubt some groups must have been separated as a result. Hopefully they will at least implement a way to back out of a full server.
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Xoie wrote:
ladyclarissa wrote:
I tried to apply for a different server at 5:31AM on March 1st and the only two worlds I could transfer to (apart from the one my current server will merge to) were the new Saronia one (limited space) and Ragnarok (?), the server recommended for European players. There was "no space available" for ANY of the other servers. so really, what was the point of this, or did thousands of people apply in the middle of the night??


This is perplexing. It makes choosing a server to move to a fool's choice if you're attempting to do this as a group, and no doubt some groups must have been separated as a result. Hopefully they will at least implement a way to back out of a full server.


Its not really that perplexing because SE's first option was to give everyone ample time to move together to any server of their choice.

However the community revolted because of two reasons:

1) The server community would be disjointed - torn apart
2) Inactive players (or those on some fantasy one month+ vacation) would be randomly moved

Now its those very inactive players which are taking up many of the slots that would have been open for active players to choose if SE had gone ahead with their original plan.

I think the blame can be split equally. Some to the player-base for a knee-jerk ranting session without knowing what they were asking for. And some to SE for waffling so much on the issue.

Personally I'm fine with either option because with Option 4 my LS would have just picked a server and moved together (maybe with a few sister LSs) and with Option 2 we all just get moved automatically. No big deal.
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Xoie wrote:
ladyclarissa wrote:
I tried to apply for a different server at 5:31AM on March 1st and the only two worlds I could transfer to (apart from the one my current server will merge to) were the new Saronia one (limited space) and Ragnarok (?), the server recommended for European players. There was "no space available" for ANY of the other servers. so really, what was the point of this, or did thousands of people apply in the middle of the night??


This is perplexing. It makes choosing a server to move to a fool's choice if you're attempting to do this as a group, and no doubt some groups must have been separated as a result. Hopefully they will at least implement a way to back out of a full server.



I can't check at work, but I thought they said there would be an option to apply/re-apply after the merge occurred.
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rikkuotaku wrote:
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ladyclarissa wrote:
I tried to apply for a different server at 5:31AM on March 1st and the only two worlds I could transfer to (apart from the one my current server will merge to) were the new Saronia one (limited space) and Ragnarok (?), the server recommended for European players. There was "no space available" for ANY of the other servers. so really, what was the point of this, or did thousands of people apply in the middle of the night??


This is perplexing. It makes choosing a server to move to a fool's choice if you're attempting to do this as a group, and no doubt some groups must have been separated as a result. Hopefully they will at least implement a way to back out of a full server.


Its not really that perplexing because SE's first option was to give everyone ample time to move together to any server of their choice.

However the community revolted because of two reasons:

1) The server community would be disjointed - torn apart
2) Inactive players (or those on some fantasy one month+ vacation) would be randomly moved

Now its those very inactive players which are taking up many of the slots that would have been open for active players to choose if SE had gone ahead with their original plan.

I think the blame can be split equally. Some to the player-base for a knee-jerk ranting session without knowing what they were asking for. And some to SE for waffling so much on the issue.

Personally I'm fine with either option because with Option 4 my LS would have just picked a server and moved together (maybe with a few sister LSs) and with Option 2 we all just get moved automatically. No big deal.


Perhaps I should clarify, then. What I'm saying is if this is the option SE was persuaded to go with, why do it in such a way that's it's effectively useless? It's barely an option at all if all the servers are filled up immediately, which is insulting at best, and horrifying at worst if group moves have been interrupted halfway.

If this is really the absolute best that SE could have implemented this option, it should have been off the table from the start because it obviously doesn't work.
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They stated on Japanese support all worlds start with X. It will go down to triangle as people leave. You can still apply. People are just raging because of the icons ^^. If you want to move go pick the world, if it truly is full you will get a message and you can change your mind up until the 12th I believe.
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Xoie wrote:
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ladyclarissa wrote:
I tried to apply for a different server at 5:31AM on March 1st and the only two worlds I could transfer to (apart from the one my current server will merge to) were the new Saronia one (limited space) and Ragnarok (?), the server recommended for European players. There was "no space available" for ANY of the other servers. so really, what was the point of this, or did thousands of people apply in the middle of the night??


This is perplexing. It makes choosing a server to move to a fool's choice if you're attempting to do this as a group, and no doubt some groups must have been separated as a result. Hopefully they will at least implement a way to back out of a full server.


Its not really that perplexing because SE's first option was to give everyone ample time to move together to any server of their choice.

However the community revolted because of two reasons:

1) The server community would be disjointed - torn apart
2) Inactive players (or those on some fantasy one month+ vacation) would be randomly moved

Now its those very inactive players which are taking up many of the slots that would have been open for active players to choose if SE had gone ahead with their original plan.

I think the blame can be split equally. Some to the player-base for a knee-jerk ranting session without knowing what they were asking for. And some to SE for waffling so much on the issue.

Personally I'm fine with either option because with Option 4 my LS would have just picked a server and moved together (maybe with a few sister LSs) and with Option 2 we all just get moved automatically. No big deal.


Perhaps I should clarify, then. What I'm saying is if this is the option SE was persuaded to go with, why do it in such a way that's it's effectively useless? It's barely an option at all if all the servers are filled up immediately, which is insulting at best, and horrifying at worst if group moves have been interrupted halfway.

If this is really the absolute best that SE could have implemented this option, it should have been off the table from the start because it obviously doesn't work.


What exactly is not working? While I have not elected to change worlds, everything here sounds like it is working as intended, and as described.
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so really, what was the point of this, or did thousands hundreds of people apply in the middle of the night??


Come on it's FFXIV. Let's be realistic here...

Edited, Mar 1st 2012 6:07am by Transmigration


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But Inactive Alts are:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/38597-Sever-Problems-start-to-a-fix/page2

Before you had to pay and could create a bunch of alts for nothing, I know I did, and I ended up not paying for all of them. The latest theory is that they are clogging everything up. >.>; at this point, who knows.

I'm still not sure what magical thing people hope to gain by transferring... grass is always greener I suppose.
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Durandal, Hyperion, Gungnir and Aegis are currently opened on top of Ridill and Ragnarok.

Also

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/38566-Can-we-please-get-a-dev-comment-about-servers-being-full?p=572748&viewfull=1#post572748
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ladyclarissa wrote:
I tried to apply for a different server at 5:31AM on March 1st and the only two worlds I could transfer to (apart from the one my current server will merge to) were the new Saronia one (limited space) and Ragnarok (?), the server recommended for European players. There was "no space available" for ANY of the other servers. so really, what was the point of this, or did thousands of people apply in the middle of the night??


Everyone is automatically placed in their default new world. Now that some people have selected Ragnarok as their server other servers now have some space.
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