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#1 Mar 01 2012 at 5:13 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm looking to start playing FFXIV and need to get a new desktop to do so. I have about $1000 budget and no experience whatsoever building a computer, nor do I know much about what is good and bad product wise.

I'm either looking to buy a pre built one or if someone can walk me through the parts I'd need to build one.

I'd like to run the game on relatively high if not close to max/max settings. Any help is appreciated! Thank you.

Edited, Mar 6th 2012 3:44pm by jetket
#2 Mar 01 2012 at 7:19 PM Rating: Good
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This is the type of thing you're probably looking for:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227383

Obviously if you build it yourself you can probably do better parts-wise for the money. Can be a hassle though if you've never done it before - when things don't work right (even when you have done it before >.> )
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#3 Mar 01 2012 at 9:33 PM Rating: Decent
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rikkuotaku wrote:
This is the type of thing you're probably looking for:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227383

Obviously if you build it yourself you can probably do better parts-wise for the money. Can be a hassle though if you've never done it before - when things don't work right (even when you have done it before >.> )


Thank you. Does anyone else have opinions on this or maybe any other suggestions? This one looks really great but I hate buying anything without multiple opinions haha. And it would run it at close to max? I know max is very hard to achieve in the games current state
#4 Mar 01 2012 at 9:43 PM Rating: Good
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jetket wrote:
rikkuotaku wrote:
This is the type of thing you're probably looking for:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227383

Obviously if you build it yourself you can probably do better parts-wise for the money. Can be a hassle though if you've never done it before - when things don't work right (even when you have done it before >.> )


Thank you. Does anyone else have opinions on this or maybe any other suggestions? This one looks really great but I hate buying anything without multiple opinions haha. And it would run it at close to max? I know max is very hard to achieve in the games current state


I don't know man.... there are several reviews on that website that were posted in the last 2 or 3 weeks that say they bought a brick. You might want to shop around more.

Edit: That being said, Newegg is a great place to shop... Just be careful about what you buy.

Edit1: Here's a comparable machine, but not as many reviews... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229294

Edited, Mar 1st 2012 7:44pm by LebargeX

Edited, Mar 1st 2012 7:55pm by LebargeX
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#5 Mar 02 2012 at 1:01 AM Rating: Decent
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LebargeX wrote:
jetket wrote:
rikkuotaku wrote:
This is the type of thing you're probably looking for:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227383

Obviously if you build it yourself you can probably do better parts-wise for the money. Can be a hassle though if you've never done it before - when things don't work right (even when you have done it before >.> )


Thank you. Does anyone else have opinions on this or maybe any other suggestions? This one looks really great but I hate buying anything without multiple opinions haha. And it would run it at close to max? I know max is very hard to achieve in the games current state


I don't know man.... there are several reviews on that website that were posted in the last 2 or 3 weeks that say they bought a brick. You might want to shop around more.

Edit: That being said, Newegg is a great place to shop... Just be careful about what you buy.

Edit1: Here's a comparable machine, but not as many reviews... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229294

Edited, Mar 1st 2012 7:44pm by LebargeX

Edited, Mar 1st 2012 7:55pm by LebargeX


That one does seem to have better reviews. Too bad there are only 3 :( any more input on this new one posted then?
#6 Mar 02 2012 at 9:36 AM Rating: Good
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jetket wrote:
LebargeX wrote:
jetket wrote:
rikkuotaku wrote:
This is the type of thing you're probably looking for:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227383

Obviously if you build it yourself you can probably do better parts-wise for the money. Can be a hassle though if you've never done it before - when things don't work right (even when you have done it before >.> )


Thank you. Does anyone else have opinions on this or maybe any other suggestions? This one looks really great but I hate buying anything without multiple opinions haha. And it would run it at close to max? I know max is very hard to achieve in the games current state


I don't know man.... there are several reviews on that website that were posted in the last 2 or 3 weeks that say they bought a brick. You might want to shop around more.

Edit: That being said, Newegg is a great place to shop... Just be careful about what you buy.

Edit1: Here's a comparable machine, but not as many reviews... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229294

Edited, Mar 1st 2012 7:44pm by LebargeX

Edited, Mar 1st 2012 7:55pm by LebargeX


That one does seem to have better reviews. Too bad there are only 3 :( any more input on this new one posted then?


Its ok I just think the video card is a little low powered. Here is something similar with a 6770 instead:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1344750&CatId=114

If you really want to run it well (highish) like you stated then you'll need a GTX 560 or 6770 or higher.

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#7 Mar 06 2012 at 11:31 AM Rating: Decent
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jetket wrote:
That one does seem to have better reviews. Too bad there are only 3 :( any more input on this new one posted then?


Hard to answer your questions without a little more information...

What are the specs for what you currently using to run FFXIV? Is $800 the limit on your budget or is that just what you have to spend right now? What else do you need the PC to do?

There are several reasons I ask these questions:

First and foremost, XIV is changing and Version 2.0 is nearly a year out from now. Any suggestions for something to run XIV are only based on what we have now and speculation on what is to come then. If you'd come out and said that money was no factor and that you could spend anything on a PC it might change the suggestion a bit, but it's never wise to make an investment based on speculation.

The other reason I ask is because in the long-run it will probably make more sense to upgrade what you have to a comfortable level for you to play in the meanwhile. If you don't have a PC at all then of course this changes things, but you have to remember; technology changes constantly. Something you pay $800 for now could possibly get spanked by something a year from now that costs the same, if not less.

My best advice would be based on what you currently have. If you can't play at a comfortable level then my guess is it would be better to spend a little to upgrade. Waiting sucks, but you'll be able to make an informed decision on what to get based on what we will know by then instead of speculation. You also get the added benefit of being able to save more for your budget and components will be better so you'll get more performance out of your dollar.

If you don't have anything now or XIV isn't playable, my best suggestion is still to wait. If you just can't wait and you do decide to get something anyway, realize that your budget now will barely get you to your goal of high settings(if that) and will possibly require an upgrade or two in a year to maintain that. You'll likely end up spending more than you should have for the same performance.

tl;dr

Either look at your best options for upgrades(post what you have so we can give you an idea) or just wait it out. I can't (in good conscience) tell you to spend money when we don't know what we'll see when Version 2.0 is released. Based on your budget, this is an investment for you and it's never a good idea to make investments based on speculation.


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#8 Mar 06 2012 at 2:31 PM Rating: Decent
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I currently have a 3 year old macbook pro and can't run FFXIV. I'm not a big computer gamer so it'd be FFXIV and just a lot of internet browsing/work.

Also I just moved my budget up to $1000 because I found a friend offering their monitor.

And I'm totally up for building my own computer I just don't know where to even start, I'd literally need someone to hold my hand through it and tell me exactly what to buy.

Edited, Mar 6th 2012 3:44pm by jetket

Edited, Mar 6th 2012 4:18pm by jetket
#9 Mar 06 2012 at 3:35 PM Rating: Decent
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GPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125412
GIGABYTE GV-N460OC-1GI V3 GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card

SSD:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148442
Crucial M4 CT128M4SSD2 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

Motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128519
GIGABYTE GA-970A-UD3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard

Cooling:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7

Case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147153
Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case, comes with Three Fans-1x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan, 1x Top 140mm Fan, 1x Rear 120mm Fan, option Fans-2x Side 120mm Fan

RAM:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226191
Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model 996995

PSU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207015
XFX Core Edition PRO750W (P1-750S-NLB9) 750W ATX12V 2.2 & ESP12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply

CPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103996
AMD FX-4100 Zambezi 3.6GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor FD4100WMGUSBX

Optical Drive:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204
ASUS 24X DVD Burner - Bulk 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS - OEM


I found this build here and was curious what you guys all thought of it, please?

Or thoughts on this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229262&Tpk=gaming

Edited, Mar 6th 2012 4:54pm by jetket
#10 Mar 06 2012 at 4:09 PM Rating: Decent
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The 6670 is not a great GPU. I have a 560gtx in my laptop (mobile version) and it plays FFXIV well. I have a 6850 in my desktop and that works great. I would go for $999 rig. That being said, building a rig is cheaper and not all that difficult. With just a little research on the internet you should be able to build one with no problems.

For a gpu if you go AMD get at least a 68XX series. They are fairly inexpensive, microcenter was running a special when I fried my 6970 and I picked up my 6850 for $130.00.
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#11 Mar 06 2012 at 7:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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jetket wrote:
I found this build here and was curious what you guys all thought of it, please?

Or thoughts on this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229262&Tpk=gaming

Edited, Mar 6th 2012 4:54pm by jetket


Just a couple of notes:

The GPU you have listed would be considered entry-level for mid-range to high XIV builds. The GPU in the pre-built computer is what you should shoot for. You can do without the cooling fan as any CPU you buy these days comes with one. Unless you plan on overclocking which I'd advise against(this being your first build) then you can put that toward the better GPU.

I know I'm going to catch flame for saying this, but SSD isn't necessary either. You'll appreciate how much faster windows loads, but if as you said, "FFXIV and internet browsing" is all you'd be doing you could cut some cost there too. SSD won't show a notable performance increase in XIV.

The RAM you have listed isn't on the list of approved memory for your mobo which you can find here. I'm sure someone will rush to point out that they've used unapproved RAM before and had no issues, but again with this being your first build I'd suggest sticking with something you know will work. You could trim it down to 4GB and still have enough to run anything considered 'everyday usage' putting more money toward that GPU.

I'm not too familiar with XFX PSUs. I usually spend more on PSUs since it's the most important part of the rig so maybe see if you can find something similar with more reviews at least.


Edited, Mar 6th 2012 8:31pm by FilthMcNasty
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#12 Mar 06 2012 at 9:24 PM Rating: Decent
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
jetket wrote:
I found this build here and was curious what you guys all thought of it, please?

Or thoughts on this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229262&Tpk=gaming

Edited, Mar 6th 2012 4:54pm by jetket


Just a couple of notes:

The GPU you have listed would be considered entry-level for mid-range to high XIV builds. The GPU in the pre-built computer is what you should shoot for. You can do without the cooling fan as any CPU you buy these days comes with one. Unless you plan on overclocking which I'd advise against(this being your first build) then you can put that toward the better GPU.

I know I'm going to catch flame for saying this, but SSD isn't necessary either. You'll appreciate how much faster windows loads, but if as you said, "FFXIV and internet browsing" is all you'd be doing you could cut some cost there too. SSD won't show a notable performance increase in XIV.

The RAM you have listed isn't on the list of approved memory for your mobo which you can find here. I'm sure someone will rush to point out that they've used unapproved RAM before and had no issues, but again with this being your first build I'd suggest sticking with something you know will work. You could trim it down to 4GB and still have enough to run anything considered 'everyday usage' putting more money toward that GPU.

I'm not too familiar with XFX PSUs. I usually spend more on PSUs since it's the most important part of the rig so maybe see if you can find something similar with more reviews at least.


Edited, Mar 6th 2012 8:31pm by FilthMcNasty


It seems like building this will end up costing more than if I buy that $999 one (which is now $969), do you think I should maybe just go with the pre-built? it's a fairly good machine and would run it somewhere between medium and high settings?
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It shouldn't cost you more to build, but the $969 PC is fine and should run at medium to high settings. My laptop is similiar specs and runs at medium to high. Just go with the pre-built, it will run the game just fine.
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#14 Mar 07 2012 at 1:45 PM Rating: Decent
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jetket wrote:
It seems like building this will end up costing more than if I buy that $999 one (which is now $969), do you think I should maybe just go with the pre-built? it's a fairly good machine and would run it somewhere between medium and high settings?


I guess it would depend. I'm not sure what the list of parts you have posted would run(price wise), but consider what I posted about the stuff in that build you could change...

The two biggest elements to your performance are going to be your CPU and your GPU. You can always add other things later on if you think you need them, but if you want performance for XIV right now then focus on those first. If you dropped the aftermarket CPU cooling, dropped down from 8GB to 4GB RAM and switched from SSD to a normal HD you could then put that money back in toward a better CPU or GPU.

Just eyeballing, but you could probably bump yourself up from a GTX460 to a GTX560 for GPU or you could change your CPU to an Intel 2600. Changing your CPU would mean you'd need a different mobo and different RAM, but you could find something at a comparable price easily.


Edited, Mar 7th 2012 2:46pm by FilthMcNasty
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#15 Mar 07 2012 at 3:52 PM Rating: Good
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If all you are doing is surfing the net and playing ffxiv I wouldnt recommend a i7-2600.

Here is just a quick build of parts:

Optical: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 (Any old DVD drive will work)
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139021 (I put 750w just in case you ever decide to upgrade parts later on, you can make it smaller if you want more for your budget)
GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130759 (Definitely will run the game well, again you can change with others that you feel might be worth more or if you have a preference of ATI over NVIDIA)
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072 (If you dont ever plan on overclocking you can get just the regular i5-2500 version, you dont need a i7-2600k because FFXIV doesnt use hyper threading)
Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131773 (You can get a different mobo that has features that you may want, this is sort of a lower end one)
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231428

All of that totals to 786. What you would need to look for yourself would be a HDD/SSD and a case. You could also pick up a new CPU cooler.

HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136533 (Not really sure what size you want)
Cooler: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065 (Need to make sure it will fit the case as it is quite large).
Case: Pick your own but make sure it will fit the motherboard size (M-ATX, ATX, E-ATX).

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#16 Mar 07 2012 at 10:38 PM Rating: Decent
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If all you are doing is surfing the net and playing ffxiv I wouldnt recommend a i7-2600.


Oops, didn't realize I put 2600. Yeah unless you're doing a lot of multi-tasking(and sometimes not even then) you won't need HT. Go with the i5 instead.

I wouldn't suggest just any case with that GPU though. Get something with good airflow. It's almost the exact same model I have (EVGA FTW) and they pump out a fair amount of heat. I'd look at the 500 series instead.
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#17 Mar 08 2012 at 8:49 AM Rating: Default


1600Mhz RAM is of no benefit unless the CPU is being overclocked.
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#18 Mar 08 2012 at 9:33 AM Rating: Decent
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I built the following PC for my friend HanktheTank to play FFXIV (we will be starting on March 19th). I called the build Dragonphinn PC:

$229.99 CPU - Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072&Tpk=2500k

$121.99 MOBO - ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157271

$129.99 PSU - XFX PRO750W XXX Edition Semi-Modular 80Plus Silver 750 Watt
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207016&Tpk=xfx%20750

$64.99 RAM - G.SKILL Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133 (PC3 17000)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231519&cm_sp=Cat_Memory-_-Daily_Deal-_-20-231-519

$169.99 HDD 1 - Corsair Force Series 3 2.5" 120GB SATA III SSD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233206

$199.99 HDD 2 - Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5"
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136533

$179.99 GPU - XFX Double D Black Edition FX-777A-ZDB4 Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150599

$139.99 - Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116992

$79.99 - CORSAIR H70 Core High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181011

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Total Cost: $1136.92
Remove Optional HDD 2 for adjusted Total of: $936.93
(Excluding shipping costs)

Comments:
- The only weakness above is the GPU, but it will handle FFXIV well, otherwise that can also be replaced with that +$65 leftover (get a 2GB GPU).
- CPU is futureproofed enough for the next 3 years because the 2500K is a great overclocker. With the H70 watercooler you can get the 2500K over 4Ghz
- 8GB of RAM will be sufficient for the next 3 years as well, 4GB being the modern day standard for windows 7 gaming machines.
- the Terabyte WD HD is useful if you own a Steam account and blitz all over the annual Xmas sales, or if you do video editing. Otherwise the 120GB HD will suffice for FFXIV and Windows 7.

Edited, Mar 8th 2012 10:43am by Azeler
#19 Mar 08 2012 at 1:47 PM Rating: Good
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triplealphareaction wrote:


1600Mhz RAM is of no benefit unless the CPU is being overclocked.


You do not have to overclock the RAM. It will run perfectly fine at 1333 which will be the default set in the BIOS. The RAM is still very cheap and it allows him to speed it up if he does choose to OC.
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triplealphareaction wrote:


1600Mhz RAM is of no benefit unless the CPU is being overclocked.


You do not have to overclock the RAM. It will run perfectly fine at 1333 which will be the default set in the BIOS. The RAM is still very cheap and it allows him to speed it up if he does choose to OC.



1600Mhz RAM is of no benefit unless the CPU is being overclocked. I was just pointing that out for the people who come here looking for advice, you are just overcomplicating the issue.
Guys don't be pressured into getting a more powerful and expensive machine than you need if you are just looking to upgrade to play FFXIV.
Reading some peoples comments one could easily be left with the impression that you have to spend $1500-2000 ( or £ ) to have a decent gaming experience in FFXIV, not true. Overclocked gaming PC's are not needed for FFXIV, they are an option and encoraging people to buy that spec computer is not helping them at all and it puts people off trying the game because they think they have to spend X ammount more than they really need to. So when people ask " what spec PC do I need to play FFXIV" stop bsing (and intimidating) them with overclocked PC's and i7 CPU's and GTX580's/HD7970's etc as the answer.
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#21 Mar 08 2012 at 6:35 PM Rating: Good
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triplealphareaction wrote:
1600Mhz RAM is of no benefit unless the CPU is being overclocked. I was just pointing that out for the people who come here looking for advice, you are just overcomplicating the issue.


That's not correct, but the differences between RAM operating at 1333 and 1600 for the purpose of playing XIV won't make much difference. AMD processors IMC plays nicer with 1333MHz RAM, but it runs perfectly fine at 1600.

I don't see anywhere in the thread where anyone is suggesting a $1500-$2000 rig. The OP has a budget and since this machine is being built on speculation of how it will perform in a year, most people are trying to setup the best stuff they can with that budget in mind. That said, if you think people are putting together 1k rigs to 'try the game' they should pay more than they need to. Consider it a premium for being stupid.


Edited, Mar 8th 2012 7:36pm by FilthMcNasty
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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#22 Mar 09 2012 at 4:25 PM Rating: Decent
FilthMcNasty wrote:
triplealphareaction wrote:
1600Mhz RAM is of no benefit unless the CPU is being overclocked. I was just pointing that out for the people who come here looking for advice, you are just overcomplicating the issue.


That's not correct, but the differences between RAM operating at 1333 and 1600 for the purpose of playing XIV won't make much difference. AMD processors IMC plays nicer with 1333MHz RAM, but it runs perfectly fine at 1600.

I don't see anywhere in the thread where anyone is suggesting a $1500-$2000 rig. The OP has a budget and since this machine is being built on speculation of how it will perform in a year, most people are trying to setup the best stuff they can with that budget in mind. That said, if you think people are putting together 1k rigs to 'try the game' they should pay more than they need to. Consider it a premium for being stupid.


Edited, Mar 8th 2012 7:36pm by FilthMcNasty


What do you mean "thats not correct"?
Ram with a faster speed than 1333MHz is of zero benefit to PC's with non-overclocked CPU's, and therefore should not be recommended to people seeking advice on pc builds for FFXIV.
As for the $1500+ rigs, well thats just an arbitary figure I used just to make a point and I wasn't really confining my comment to just this thread or even these forums but at the FFXIV community at large who when it comes to so called PC advice are unnecessarily elitist and scaremongering, "whaaaa laptops can't play FFXIV well, "waaa laptops will die!" "waaa an SSD is a MUST" "waaaa spend more, spend more, spend more!" It's not September 2010 anymore clam down.
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triplealphareaction wrote:
What do you mean "thats not correct"?


That's not correct means you're wrong. My RAM performs better at 1600MHz than it does at 1333MHz despite my IMC preferring to play nice with the RAM at a lower speed. Suggesting RAM rated at 1333MHz makes no difference really since you can control all of this from the BIOS. Besides, it isn't like he's spending an arm and a leg more for 1600 over 1333.

Your arbitrary figure makes your point, but because no one here is suggesting the OP build a supercomputer... your point is pointless. No one here is scaremongering and you're the only one who seems to be excited by anything here lol
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#24 Mar 10 2012 at 10:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Cyberpower PC Mega Special III

Nomnom.

And free shipping atm.
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#25 Mar 10 2012 at 11:07 PM Rating: Good
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I saw those while I was looking around NewEgg for a laptop for my mom.

Do they make good machines??
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I've heard nothing but good things about Cyberpc. Plus after 2000 reviews, if it's still 5 stars, they're doing something right.
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Yeah, I looked around online and couldn't find very many bad things to be said. Now to find a way to sneak a new rig into the house without the wife finding out.
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#28 Mar 12 2012 at 12:15 AM Rating: Decent
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I saw Cyberpower mentioned and thought I'd chime in. I recently bought a Cyberpower PC machine for a little over 1k. Worked out of the box. PSU died a week later. If you buy from them, upgrade from the default PSU (XtremegGear) to a Corsair PSU. Being a bit impatient and in retrospect stupid, I didn't do any research on a PSU brand I'd never heard of (tsk tsk.) It turns out that XtremeGear PSU's are ticking time bombs primed to either piddle out as a dud or ruin thousands of dollars worth of components. Needless to say I was pretty ****** off that they even offer such a notoriously awful PSU, so I called to get it RMA'd. I sent it to them and they gave me money; no hassle or questions from the CSR. Of course, I had to go and buy a new PSU and install it myself, but the computer is working fine.

If you don't want to bother building a computer, I would recommend Cyberpower. Despite the PSU dying in a week, I had a good experience with them.

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Thanks for the honest reply :)
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#30 Mar 19 2012 at 3:00 AM Rating: Decent
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alright y'all sorry to bother with more questions. I was going to buy the pre-built $969 one but it seems like it's out of stock so I did some more research on building my own.

I'm looking at these parts currently, ideally to run the game in high settings. Please let me know if anything isn't compatible with each other or if there is anything I can just plain do better.

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147153
Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case, comes with Three Fans-1x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan, 1x Top 140mm ...

HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136284
Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130660
EVGA 01G-P3-1460-KR GeForce GTX 560 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207016
XFX PRO750W XXX Edition Semi-Modular 80Plus Silver 750 Watt Power Supply

RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231314
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL

Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157271
ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 ...

Basically tweaked Azeler's build a little bit and took out the cooling fan. I don't intend on overclocking. Went for a little bit of a budget, this comes to $891.93 before shipping/handling.

Please let me know what you think!! Thank you.
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jetket wrote:
alright y'all sorry to bother with more questions. I was going to buy the pre-built $969 one but it seems like it's out of stock so I did some more research on building my own.

I'm looking at these parts currently, ideally to run the game in high settings. Please let me know if anything isn't compatible with each other or if there is anything I can just plain do better.

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147153
Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case, comes with Three Fans-1x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan, 1x Top 140mm ...

HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136284
Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130660
EVGA 01G-P3-1460-KR GeForce GTX 560 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207016
XFX PRO750W XXX Edition Semi-Modular 80Plus Silver 750 Watt Power Supply

RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231314
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL

Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157271
ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 ...

Basically tweaked Azeler's build a little bit and took out the cooling fan. I don't intend on overclocking. Went for a little bit of a budget, this comes to $891.93 before shipping/handling.

Please let me know what you think!! Thank you.


Perfectly fine build as is, will run FFXIV well.

If it were my build I would only do two things. 1) Upgrade to a 560Ti for ~$30 more since the GPU is currently the bottleneck in this system 2) Add an aftermarket CPU cooler back in, even something like this is gonna make a huge difference - you don't need a liquid cooler:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103057

The 2500K is so easy to overclock - for the first few 100mhz its simply bump up the multiplier, one setting change and you can have it running @ 3.8-4Ghz with no problem.
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That all looks fine to me. If you wanted to be overly cautious, you could pick a RAM model that's listed under supported memory on your motherboard's site. http://www.asrock.com/mb/memory.asp?Model=Z68%20Extreme3%20Gen3

For example: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231426

That's probably being overly picky and the one you picked should work regardless, but I'm weird like that myself so I figured I'd mention it just in case.

Oh, and personally I wouldn't pay that price for a 750w PSU, although this one is semi-modular and 80 plus silver so if those features are important to you then by all means. If you already shopped around and really like that one go for it, if you haven't you might want to give other 750w PSUs a quick search and see if anything jumps out at you.

Edited, Mar 19th 2012 11:04am by Susanoh
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Hmm, I haven't ever used that brand, but that PSU has mixed reviews on newegg and a lot of people seem to have received faulty products. I'd suggest something in the middle of the two.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371049

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139021

Antec one looks pretty nice on price and has some incredible reviews, Corsair one also has some great reviews and it's the same price after rebate. If it means anything at all, I've been gaming with a PSU from that same Corsair series since before FFXIV came out and it's still going strong. Smiley: tongue

As for GPU, either the one you had before or the one you just listed look like a very good price/performance card to me, so it just depends on how much you want to spend. Either should run the game with strong settings (minus ambient occlusion) just fine, but of course the TI will give you a slight boost in frames per second.
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