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#1 Mar 16 2012 at 12:05 AM Rating: Excellent
Hey all,

I'm restarting Hot Read Thursday, but henceforth, I'll be doing it differently than in the past. Each week, I'll be focusing on an article, thread or blog about Final Fantasy XIV, and it doesn't have to be on ZAM or the Lodestone. Anyone who finds an article elsewhere that they'd like to see highlighted should send me a PM. Sometimes I'll write about threads or stories posted on ZAM, but this method of writing HRT will allow us to keep tabs on what others are saying about current FFXIV issues.

This week's Hot Read Thursday is about the beastmen question of the recent players poll, which listed a rabbit-like Viera tribe as an option to be implemented. That question sparked a 15-page (and growing) thread on the Lodestone forum about whether the Viera should be implemented. Would seeing a bunch of scantily clad Miqo'te fighting a group of scantily clad Viera be bad for immersion? Would other races possibly bring more to the table? Or would Final Fantasy fans rather see a race that's more unique to the Final Fantasy universe?

My big question is, if the Viera are implemented as a beastmen race, and then someday they're made available as a playable race, then will we finally get a jump button?

Check out the Lodestone thread.

Discuss the Viera Movement here! And, if you dare, share how you voted in the Player's Poll!
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#2 Mar 16 2012 at 1:39 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm too old to look for scantly clad bunny girls in video games all day.

That's what real life is for.
#3 Mar 16 2012 at 6:17 AM Rating: Good
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Rin, no one is too old to look at scantily clad bunny girls in games...
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#4 Mar 16 2012 at 6:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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Thayos wrote:
My big question is, if the Viera are implemented as a beastmen race, and then someday they're made available as a playable race, then will we finally get a jump button?


If Viera are implemented as a playable race, you'd better learn to enjoy seeing scantily clad bunny-dudes around, because I'm quite sure the recently victorious male Miqo'te movement will have a new project on their hands. Smiley: lol
#5 Mar 16 2012 at 7:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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I really don't understand the fascination with jumping in an MMORPG. Doesn't mean I'm against it, doesn't bother me in the least so if it'd make the majority of players happy I say go for it, I just don't understand why its inclusion or exclusion is such a big deal.

Never once in FFXIV have I thought "gee, I'm not having a lot of fun right now, but if I could jump I'd be having a blast!"
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#6 Mar 16 2012 at 8:39 AM Rating: Good
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I really don't understand the fascination with jumping in an MMORPG. Doesn't mean I'm against it, doesn't bother me in the least so if it'd make the majority of players happy I say go for it, I just don't understand why its inclusion or exclusion is such a big deal.

Never once in FFXIV have I thought "gee, I'm not having a lot of fun right now, but if I could jump I'd be having a blast!"


Without the ability to jump or fall, the developers are limited to making horizontal terrain, and any vertical movement must involve an inclined plain. Any form of ledges or cliffs in the terrain must be created with the thought in mind that your character must walk around them, even if they are only one or two feet off the ground. It's not a huge deal for some, but for those who prefer a wider range of terrain or have gotten used to jumping over/off of small ledges in other games, it can be an annoyance.
#7 Mar 16 2012 at 8:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Thayos wrote:
My big question is, if the Viera are implemented as a beastmen race, and then someday they're made available as a playable race, then will we finally get a jump button?


By the way...I completely misinterpreted the reason why you wanted to see a jump button introduced along with the Viera race at first. Only later on did it occur to me that you meant it because they're rabbits and rabbits hop. My mind must be in the gutter lately. Smiley: glare
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Susanoh wrote:


Without the ability to jump or fall, the developers are limited to making horizontal terrain, and any vertical movement must involve an inclined plain. Any form of ledges or cliffs in the terrain must be created with the thought in mind that your character must walk around them, even if they are only one or two feet off the ground. It's not a huge deal for some, but for those who prefer a wider range of terrain or have gotten used to jumping over/off of small ledges in other games, it can be an annoyance.


Completely understandable, and makes perfect sense if you think about zones such as The Black Shroud and the cut-and-paste inclines found scattered throughout. But I'm guess I'm just weird in that I don't jump in MMORPGs, even in games where it's possible. To each their own though, I wouldn't rant against it being included in this game, I was just simply curious as to the logic behind wanting it, as it seems to be a hot topic among desired abilities in FFXIV.
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#9 Mar 16 2012 at 3:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Xoie wrote:
Thayos wrote:
My big question is, if the Viera are implemented as a beastmen race, and then someday they're made available as a playable race, then will we finally get a jump button?


If Viera are implemented as a playable race, you'd better learn to enjoy seeing scantily clad bunny-dudes around, because I'm quite sure the recently victorious male Miqo'te movement will have a new project on their hands. Smiley: lol


Well, Miqo'te and Mithra always had male counterparts, they just weren't playable.

Viera on the other hand are essentially a-sexual forest spirits, at least in Ivalice.
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That question sparked a 15-page (and growing) thread on the Lodestone forum


^You give those idiots anything, and they'll write up 1000 pages of mindless drivel about it.


As for Viera, I voted for a reptilian race. I'm already disappointed by the races in the game, and their copy-pasted nature from XI, I want something new. If you take two races and mash it into one, you're not exactly adding too much variety to the scene here.
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#11 Mar 17 2012 at 3:25 AM Rating: Good
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Xoie wrote:
Thayos wrote:
My big question is, if the Viera are implemented as a beastmen race, and then someday they're made available as a playable race, then will we finally get a jump button?


If Viera are implemented as a playable race, you'd better learn to enjoy seeing scantily clad bunny-dudes around, because I'm quite sure the recently victorious male Miqo'te movement will have a new project on their hands. Smiley: lol


Well, Miqo'te and Mithra always had male counterparts, they just weren't playable.

Viera on the other hand are essentially a-sexual forest spirits, at least in Ivalice.


Funny, I thought that it was established lore that male and female Viera live in segregated communities I have seen this mentioned on various FF boards before.

According to finanlfantasy.wikia.com "Male viera do exist, contrary to popular belief, however, they have never been depicted in the series, except for a single male summoner in a mission in Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, and live apart from the female viera."
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Viera
So there you go. Still what goes on in Ivalice should stay in Ivalice, unless there they create a magic portal between the 2 worlds, then that would be ok-ish.
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#12 Mar 18 2012 at 1:42 PM Rating: Default
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^^ The lore from FFTA & FFTA2 is irrelevant for it was not made by Yazmat the creator of Ivalice the only games that share the same lore/world are FFT,FFXII,Vagrant Story.
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Ostia wrote:
^^ The lore from FFTA & FFTA2 is irrelevant for it was not made by Yazmat the creator of Ivalice the only games that share the same lore/world are FFT,FFXII,Vagrant Story.


What? FFTA and FFTA2 ARE in the same world as FFT and FFXII. In fact, according to Matsuno, Vagrant Story isn't even set in Ivalice. It was Akitoshi Kawazu who added Vagrant Story into the Ivalice Alliance when he created it. Matsuno also worked as the Producer for FFTA, so your statement is very wrong.
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#14 Mar 21 2012 at 9:47 AM Rating: Default
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Auruelis wrote:
Ostia wrote:
^^ The lore from FFTA & FFTA2 is irrelevant for it was not made by Yazmat the creator of Ivalice the only games that share the same lore/world are FFT,FFXII,Vagrant Story.


What? FFTA and FFTA2 ARE in the same world as FFT and FFXII. In fact, according to Matsuno, Vagrant Story isn't even set in Ivalice. It was Akitoshi Kawazu who added Vagrant Story into the Ivalice Alliance when he created it. Matsuno also worked as the Producer for FFTA, so your statement is very wrong.


If you played the game when it came out, it has a lot of elements from FFT, they quote the Durai writings, the speak about the holy stones, the game takes place in a continent of the ivalice world etc etc. When FFXII came out, they did retcon it to make XII fit with VS world, wish makes it cannon, Yazmat can say what he wants, but it is all after the fact. And VS fits more in line with FFT & FFXII than FFA and FFA2, i hate those 2 games, also yazma did not writte FFA nor FFA2, he produced FFA, but did not wrote the story or anything for it, that was done by Kyoko Kitahara & Jun Akiyama, wish by the way used the grimore element from VS for their games main element.....

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#15 Mar 21 2012 at 11:49 AM Rating: Good
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Looks like people feel passionately about the lore of the viera. I liked Fran in FFXII and I'll definitely play a Viera if it comes to be that they're added to the game. It would be nice to see a more varied looking race from the current races which are really just all the same FFXI races updated with newer graphics. I would enjoy something new to play with.

But I'm all for the scantily-clad Viera being added, with respect to the lore we can all just imagine that these Viera were just like Fran in FFXII, leaving their forest home to seek out fortune and adventure and possibly being ostracized against by their own clan because they chose the unpopular way of life.

That would work for me.
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Ostia wrote:
Auruelis wrote:
Ostia wrote:
^^ The lore from FFTA & FFTA2 is irrelevant for it was not made by Yazmat the creator of Ivalice the only games that share the same lore/world are FFT,FFXII,Vagrant Story.


What? FFTA and FFTA2 ARE in the same world as FFT and FFXII. In fact, according to Matsuno, Vagrant Story isn't even set in Ivalice. It was Akitoshi Kawazu who added Vagrant Story into the Ivalice Alliance when he created it. Matsuno also worked as the Producer for FFTA, so your statement is very wrong.


If you played the game when it came out, it has a lot of elements from FFT, they quote the Durai writings, the speak about the holy stones, the game takes place in a continent of the ivalice world etc etc. When FFXII came out, they did retcon it to make XII fit with VS world, wish makes it cannon, Yazmat can say what he wants, but it is all after the fact. And VS fits more in line with FFT & FFXII than FFA and FFA2, i hate those 2 games, also yazma did not writte FFA nor FFA2, he produced FFA, but did not wrote the story or anything for it, that was done by Kyoko Kitahara & Jun Akiyama, wish by the way used the grimore element from VS for their games main element.....



Just as you disqualify Matsuno's personal stance about VS not being part of Ivalice so too will anyone disqualify your personal stance about FFTA and FFTA2 not being part of Ivalice because "it is all after the fact". They are officially recognized to be in the Ivalice Alliance so regardless of your dislike for those games, they are still part of Ivalice and share the same lore as the other Ivalice games.
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#17 Mar 21 2012 at 3:33 PM Rating: Decent
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I really don't understand the fascination with jumping in an MMORPG.


Jumping is useless really, but when you play other mmos you get used to randomly jumping and you miss it in other games. For XI players it's not much of an issue but for people coming from almost anything else they will feel restricted by not being able to jump or swim.
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