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#1 Mar 27 2012 at 8:57 PM Rating: Good
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Ok,

I used this site constantly, but now all the information is seriously dated for FFXIV.

ZAM is no longer useful to me as a Final Fantasy XIV player.

It's very dissapointing to me, because I really enjoyed using this resource for FFXIV.
Now i'm forced to scour the internet looking for websites that may, or may not have what im trying to find - instead of just going to Zam.
You guys seriously need to consider hiring State Alchemist to take care of the FFXIV content for you, he did all the data entry for patch 1.19
and he did a great job in my opinion.

It's sad to see such a great online resource like ZAM just hanging there doing nothing, when FFXIV is moving at break-neck-speed.

Very dissapointed soon-to-be-ex-ZAM user,
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Edited, Mar 30th 2012 10:42pm by S1lver
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#2 Mar 27 2012 at 9:39 PM Rating: Excellent
I swear that's not a sock-puppet of mine. >.> I appreciate the sentiment. But of course it is all up to ZAM. Heh. I certainly would be willing to put in the man hours to keep ZAM updated to the best of my abilities. ^^;
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Will any of these quests still be around at 2.0? I think that is the real reason I have been hesitant to update anything.

Well that... and the new quests haven't been added to the database so users can update them.

Edited, Mar 28th 2012 6:04am by kainsilv
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Yeah, that's what I was going to mention: there will be plenty of updates when/if: 1.) the game has enough players to warrant updating wikis, and 2.) the playerbase has some idea of what's going to be permanent and therefore worth updating. Until those two things are known writing guides, updating databases, and editing wiki sites is really just a waste of time and energy.
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Even though the 6th era is ending and the 7th era will begin soon. ZAM should still have a database of all the quest and CS that made the storyline of the 6thEra. So people can look back at it and see what exactly came about to start the 7th era. My two cents.
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kainsilv wrote:
Will any of these quests still be around at 2.0? I think that is the real reason I have been hesitant to update anything.

Well that... and the new quests haven't been added to the database so users can update them.

Edited, Mar 28th 2012 6:04am by kainsilv


That was my thought for why so many sites aren't keeping their databases up to par
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Even though the 6th era is ending and the 7th era will begin soon. ZAM should still have a database of all the quest and CS that made the storyline of the 6thEra. So people can look back at it and see what exactly came about to start the 7th era. My two cents.


I think it should be SE's responsibility - not fansites' - to ensure the coherence of their story-line, both past and future.
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While I'm all for having up-to-date data on everything in the game, I think its a bit unfair to do at the current time for FFXIV. Like it or not the game is in a second beta phase and changes are occurring at an incredibly fast pace. What is wiki-worthy today might be outdated in short order.

As soon as the pacing slows down and we have some idea about what is likely to stay around a while, the fan base will be able to build a wiki pretty quickly. Until that point, while it would be nice to have a current wiki, its not really worth it.
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KaneKitty wrote:
Rustyshield wrote:
Even though the 6th era is ending and the 7th era will begin soon. ZAM should still have a database of all the quest and CS that made the storyline of the 6thEra. So people can look back at it and see what exactly came about to start the 7th era. My two cents.


I think it should be SE's responsibility - not fansites' - to ensure the coherence of their story-line, both past and future.


While I agree, not everyone is able to experience the current storyline. An archive might be nice to pore over before 2.0 arrives.
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#11 Mar 29 2012 at 3:37 AM Rating: Decent
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KaneKitty wrote:
Yeah, that's what I was going to mention: there will be plenty of updates when/if: 1.) the game has enough players to warrant updating wikis, and 2.) the playerbase has some idea of what's going to be permanent and therefore worth updating.


Where do you get this from if I may ask?

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KaneKitty wrote:
Yeah, that's what I was going to mention: there will be plenty of updates when/if: 1.) the game has enough players to warrant updating wikis, and 2.) the playerbase has some idea of what's going to be permanent and therefore worth updating.


Where do you get this from if I may ask?


I'm not entirely sure what you're asking; perhaps you misunderstood my post? I was only saying that games with stability and many players tend to have extensively updated wikis and that, since FFXIV has neither of those first two traits right now, it likewise lacks the third. :)
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There were 1653 people on at 7am this morning :P Excalibur ftw~! Also: State ^.~ let's party!
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As a long-time lurker, short-time contributor, I find State Alchemist's posts incredibly informative and helpful. I don't know the inner workings of how things stay updated or what Zam's plans are to keep them updated post-2.0, but in any event, State provides a great service.

Thanks for your contribution!
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KaneKitty wrote:
I'm not entirely sure what you're asking; perhaps you misunderstood my post? I was only saying that games with stability and many players tend to have extensively updated wikis and that, since FFXIV has neither of those first two traits right now, it likewise lacks the third. :)


I didn't misunderstand your post. I was just wondering where you got your quite definite "there will be" from, but now I see that you are using "tend to have". Gotcha at that.

Let us hope that this will indeed be the case for ZAM's FFXIV page.
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I don't think the FFXIV ZAM page brings in enough hits to meet their advertising quota so I doubt they care too much about the content.
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I don't think the FFXIV ZAM page brings in enough hits to meet their advertising quota so I doubt they care too much about the content.


Um we as the community have been given the power to update the content on ZAM... so I guess we don't care much about it either then >.>
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The petition that's so official it spells "official" solely in capital letters and incorrectly.
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reptiletim wrote:
I don't think the FFXIV ZAM page brings in enough hits to meet their advertising quota so I doubt they care too much about the content.


Um we as the community have been given the power to update the content on ZAM... so I guess we don't care much about it either then >.>


You have a point there man. I'm toying with the idea of making a return but I really don't know where to go for in depth information. It would be nice for new players or returning players to have a centralized location to find this stuff.
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KaneKitty bringing her "Sage" /spellcheck to the conversation, because she has nothing else to offer.
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S1lver wrote:
KaneKitty bringing her "Sage" /spellcheck to the conversation, because she has nothing else to offer.


The thread was dying and I had no other recourse to resuscitate it. In this, my actions were noble.
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Yikes, now there are hyperlinks that take you to the wrong spots.

Somebody do something, get State back.
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Yikes, now there are hyperlinks that take you to the wrong spots.

Somebody do something, get State back.


It's worse than that. The LEAD STORY for Zam's Final Fantasy XIV fan site encourages you to play Tera instead. There's an insert above that which follows you around telling you to play Diablo 3. I think we can all see which way the wind is blowing, here...
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I don't have premium but I bet it still happens (seeing other game advertisements) if you were paying for this site.
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Well, if SE isn't advertising FFXIV, why the **** should anyone else?
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Well, if SE isn't advertising FFXIV, why the **** should anyone else?


I think we all know that it's not necessarily the best idea for SE to be advertising the game now, anyway. What would they say?

"Come back to FFXIV - it's great!

Well, that is to say, it will be great, eventually, not now, though, of course... right now it's definitely better though!
Better than it was, at least, and - well, yes, the servers are still up! You didn't know that...? Fair enough, I suppose... the whole game's kind of gone under the radar recently... also, in, like, six months, after the beta for v2.0, it's really doing to be - oh, you don't know what 'two-point-oh' means, either?

Well, you see it's... actually, forget that! Just uh, sign up today! Please? Well, never mind, maybe after E3. See how that goes.

Adventure Awaits: Final Fantasy XIV!"
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Well for one thing, there was a whole free 10 days to play the game that just ended. Why isn't that the lead story? Why are Tera and D3 getting all the attention when there's opportunity to give FFXIV another chance? Am I so wrong to point that out? The story is in the blog list, but the picture you see when you first turn up is a busty Tera girl (post breast reduction).

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Why are Tera and D3 getting all the attention when there's opportunity to give FFXIV another chance?


Don't take it personally if you aren't, but I can't tell if you're trolling or not...

People have been waiting on D3 since well before FFXI was out. TERA smokes XIV when it comes to depth and polish even after nearly 2 years head start. I'd say it at least deserves a database. ZAM doesn't have TERA forums so the front page is about the only place to advertise it. What better way to get attention than bewbs?

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Am I so wrong to point that out? The story is in the blog list, but the picture you see when you first turn up is a busty Tera girl (post breast reduction).


You're not really wrong to point it out, but you should ask yourself why SE or ZAM would promote the game when it isn't ready. ZAM did a beta giveaway 2 years ago and as a result, this forum became the place for people to voice their opinions(mostly bad) about the experience. Then a year later they did the 'miracle patch' piece that was a huge letdown. XIV just isn't noteworthy yet.

Nearly everything added to the game recently has been put in for players who have been playing and are already involved in 'endgame'. A 10 day trial wasn't enough exposure for most players to catch up and experience all these changes and additions. How many threads are there, or even posts in a single thread about how much better XIV is from players who participated in the welcome back campaign?


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To be fair I've been trying to update things as I see them, but I'm just one person. I also have to share our developers with every single other game that Zam covers and lets be honest, FFXIV is just not high priority while other games are launching like D3, Tera, etc. I squeak, just not loud enough for any oil right now.

As was mentioned earlier, the Wiki is there for you guys to maintain, I'm doing what I can to get the database updated but again, it's only things that I come across and I'm not exactly a leveling powerhouse.
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Don't take it personally if you aren't, but I can't tell if you're trolling or not...


How could it be trolling to suggest that it would be nice if a smidgen more effort were placed in promoting the subject (FFXIV) that this particular fan site is devoted to?

Now, to walk that back a bit, I want to make it clear that it's perfectly okay for Zam to promote its other interests. I'm absolutely fine with that. But the early symptom of a largely abandoned FFXIV wiki has progressed into what's obviously a laissez-faire attitude towards promoting FFXIV as a viable, interesting game. Again, I'm not attempting to lay blame on anyone in particular. Circumstances for FFXIV are pretty dire when viewed objectively, and it's tough to find volunteers who care enough about it. I certainly don't.

But I feel I'm pointing out the situation for what it is: Even a simple 10 day free trial for FFXIV currently gets less exposure on the FFXIV site than other games in the network. That's the state we're in now.

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Don't take it personally if you aren't, but I can't tell if you're trolling or not...


How could it be trolling to suggest that it would be nice if a smidgen more effort were placed in promoting the subject (FFXIV) that this particular fan site is devoted to?

Now, to walk that back a bit, I want to make it clear that it's perfectly okay for Zam to promote its other interests. I'm absolutely fine with that. But the early symptom of a largely abandoned FFXIV wiki has progressed into what's obviously a laissez-faire attitude towards promoting FFXIV as a viable, interesting game. Again, I'm not attempting to lay blame on anyone in particular. Circumstances for FFXIV are pretty dire when viewed objectively, and it's tough to find volunteers who care enough about it. I certainly don't.

But I feel I'm pointing out the situation for what it is: Even a simple 10 day free trial for FFXIV currently gets less exposure on the FFXIV site than other games in the network. That's the state we're in now.

Edited, May 24th 2012 10:01pm by Xoie


But the problem is, until 2.0, FFXIV is not a viable, interesting game, unfortunately.
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Xoie wrote:
Why are Tera and D3 getting all the attention when there's opportunity to give FFXIV another chance?


Don't take it personally if you aren't, but I can't tell if you're trolling or not...

People have been waiting on D3 since well before FFXI was out. TERA smokes XIV when it comes to depth and polish even after nearly 2 years head start. I'd say it at least deserves a database. ZAM doesn't have TERA forums so the front page is about the only place to advertise it. What better way to get attention than bewbs?

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Am I so wrong to point that out? The story is in the blog list, but the picture you see when you first turn up is a busty Tera girl (post breast reduction).


You're not really wrong to point it out, but you should ask yourself why SE or ZAM would promote the game when it isn't ready. ZAM did a beta giveaway 2 years ago and as a result, this forum became the place for people to voice their opinions(mostly bad) about the experience. Then a year later they did the 'miracle patch' piece that was a huge letdown. XIV just isn't noteworthy yet.

Nearly everything added to the game recently has been put in for players who have been playing and are already involved in 'endgame'. A 10 day trial wasn't enough exposure for most players to catch up and experience all these changes and additions. How many threads are there, or even posts in a single thread about how much better XIV is from players who participated in the welcome back campaign?




To be fair Tera has already been out for a year in Korea so one would hope that it's well polished for US release. With a game like this it just comes down to tranlsatiing things and then testing it to make sure none of the tanslations mess with the code. So if they messed up something as easy as that it would be pretty embarrassing. Most mmos that are adapted into another language usually go off without a hitch because they've alrdy be released so they know what to look out for when said game is released in another state.

I mean here's some old news from the Korean version http://www.mmoculture.com/2011/06/tera-korea-major-server-merge-coming.html by June 2nd 2011 5 months after release it went through 2 server merges one from 37-35 then another from 35-15 which is a pretty big drop in such a short duration.

I mean the games only been out for a month but odds are it'll fizzle out even faster then swtor subscription base lol. No MMO is perfect and when you can't grab said magic "new mmos" just become a dream that people pass through to see if it's any good but end up forgetting about it and coming back to games with promise.

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Back on the main topic though if anything I imagine the database isn't being altered is becaues of the 2.0 conversion, there's no need to add anything when the 1.0 info will soon be obsolete, once 2.0 gets closer to release if they decide to then they van re-establish their database, but for now there's just no drive for them to update it.
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
Xoie wrote:
Why are Tera and D3 getting all the attention when there's opportunity to give FFXIV another chance?


Don't take it personally if you aren't, but I can't tell if you're trolling or not...



Trolling is easily the most overused word in all of posting.

Edited, May 27th 2012 10:27am by je355804
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Trolling is easily the most overused word in all of posting.


And then I guess words relating to Nazism are all tied for second place.
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Don't take it personally if you aren't, but I can't tell if you're trolling or not...


How could it be trolling to suggest that it would be nice if a smidgen more effort were placed in promoting the subject (FFXIV) that this particular fan site is devoted to?


When something new and noteworthy comes up with XIV, it's there on the front page. It just happens that there isn't much new or noteworthy.

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But the early symptom of a largely abandoned FFXIV wiki has progressed into what's obviously a laissez-faire attitude towards promoting FFXIV as a viable, interesting game.


The wiki is dead because the community is dead here. Common sense and objectivity chased the few remaining survivors of XIV away to the Lodestone. So much irony in these forums lately too. This thread was supposed to be a petition to hire SA. Unless it was a petition for him to get hired on somewhere else, it didn't work well. I don't think he's posted in ages.

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I mean the games only been out for a month but odds are it'll fizzle out even faster then swtor subscription base lol. No MMO is perfect and when you can't grab said magic "new mmos" just become a dream that people pass through to see if it's any good but end up forgetting about it and coming back to games with promise.


People will come back to XIV because of 'promise'? I'm not quite sure why you think that way, but I'm playing the game that currently gives me the most enjoyment compared to the alternatives. Promise doesn't factor in to my equation for fun and entertainment.

I'll agree that every MMO goes through growing pains. People flood in and eventually some leave(or nearly all in the case of XIV), but that's normal*. When you hear about the latest greatest [insert product here] then usually you put your trusty whatever it was on the shelf and try the new and improved. If it turns out to be something that doesn't work for you then you go back to what you had.

Eventually the dust will settle and you'll have gamers distributed based on their preferences. Is it story you like? Graphics? Battle system and gameplay? PvP? Something else perhaps? Companies focus too much on being a WoW killer, but that won't ever happen. At the time and considering the alternatives, there wasn't a game that put all the elements together better than WoW did. Perhaps not to your liking, but majority consensus was that even if something had it beat in one of the categories, it lost out overall.


*XIV being the exception
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