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#1 Apr 17 2012 at 9:42 PM Rating: Default
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hello im almost done build my first rig and was wondering what is the best graphic card i can get to play ffxiv
Budget:250-350
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Anything not integrated.
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#3 Apr 17 2012 at 9:53 PM Rating: Default
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thats not true i have a 540m on my laptop and it blows when i play
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depends what currencey that is. & what size resolution you want. & if you prefer amd or nvidia or dont care.
#6 Apr 17 2012 at 10:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Well I get ~60fps in most places and ~30 during really bad load (christmas trees, large battles) and stuff.

Radeon HD6870 1GB from MSI. ~$144
You could get higher performance I'm sure but you could always pick up a second one of these down the road and crossfire it when 2.0 launches? ^^ That's what I'll do hehehe

If someone has a better card as per that list a few posts above please post about it and also your benchmark results for xiv ^^ I'm doing it right now in high res :)

Edited, Apr 17th 2012 9:18pm by Elionara

High-Res results: 4331 (Low 5718)
i7-960, 12GB Ram, Low-end SSD & 6870

Not the best but based on lodestone it's fine now and when they release new engine should be more than fine :)

[4500-5499] High Performance
Easily capable of running the game. Should perform well, even at higher resolutions.
[3000-4499] Fairly High Performance
Capable of running the game on default settings. Consider switching to a higher resolution depending on performance.

As far as CPU is concerned you really don't need anything over an i7-2700k. As it stands now running 3 games at once on the same computer only uses 40% of my CPU. Game is more GPU driven ^^

Edited, Apr 17th 2012 9:28pm by Elionara

Edited, Apr 17th 2012 9:35pm by Elionara
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#7 Apr 18 2012 at 1:34 AM Rating: Decent
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GTX 570, preferrably from EVGA. Same reasons I posted in your other thread.

Great parts, RMA service and the added bonus of Step-Up. It's basically a program that allows you to trade in your GPU at the same value for a higher model within a certain time. This is probably the best you will find in your price range and it allows you to upgrade your GPU if you want to for the cost of shipping.
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#8 Apr 18 2012 at 7:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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At $300~$350 you might be able to get the 7870 from AMD which has enough power to trade blows with the 580 from Nvidia; costs around $400. Slightly lower to $250 you can get the 7850 from AMD. 560 TI can go for around $200~$300 but loses to the 7850 in several games so I don't recommend buying it until Nvidia releases their 6xx line in full. In fact the 6870 which is around $150 will probably be the better choice.

I have the 6870 and I can run a fair number of games in 1920x1080 with high details and x2 AA; sometimes x4. Unless you really want x4 and x8 AA on almost all of your games, I wouldn't go dropping $300 on my 1st video card buy; especially when Nvidia is about to release their beasts to combat AMD. A lot of people are expecting prices to go down in the near future so if you spend a lot now, you might lose a bit. If you dig around, the 6870 can be bought for as low as $130.
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#10 Apr 18 2012 at 10:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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That movie is in low resolution for recording, even the 6870 should be able to run it smoothly at that resolution. People usually don't play at that resolution for the eye candy. Assuming you have a decent CPU, then 6870 should be able to run FFXIV at 1280x1024 fairly smoothly. If you throw in AAx2 and 1920x1080 you might want to go with the 7850 at the minimum or even the GTX 680 ($500).

FFXIV is very inefficient, it`s like having a traffic jam in a race between video cards. A sport car can`t out run my granny car by much. Similarly, you aren`t using the full potential of a strong video card with FFXIV. It simply doesn`t utilize the horse power effectively.

Edit: I`d still recommend getting the 6870 for video card with your 1st pc built or 7850 or 7870 if you want it future proof. Make it a budget or entry-level gaming PC instead of a powerhouse. It shouldn`t go higher than $700 before shipping. This means going with an i5 2500k instead of i7. The gap between a budget gaming pc and a powerhouse only noticeable when you are on a 24 inch+ monitor and controlling 4000 troops in Shogun 2. Most gamers stay at around 1920x1080 (HD resolution) resolution for a 20-23 inch monitor with video settings at high. A budget gaming pc should be able to handle everything you throw at it with flying colors at 1920x1080.

Edited, Apr 18th 2012 1:05pm by Oddwaffle
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Oddwaffle wrote:
That movie is in low resolution for recording, even the 6870 should be able to run it smoothly at that resolution. People usually don't play at that resolution for the eye candy. Assuming you have a decent CPU, then 6870 should be able to run FFXIV at 1280x1024 fairly smoothly. If you throw in AAx2 and 1920x1080 you might want to go with the 7850 at the minimum or even the GTX 680 ($500).

FFXIV is very inefficient, it`s like having a traffic jam in a race between video cards. A sport car can`t out run my granny car by much. Similarly, you aren`t using the full potential of a strong video card with FFXIV. It simply doesn`t utilize the horse power effectively.

Wow, a GTX 680 just for 1920 x 1080 with AAx2? That's insanity.

How on earth can this thing run on a PS3?
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@yfaithfully: I think a lot of bets are on the 2.0 being more efficient and more console compatible. That probably means lowering most of the graphic details and greatly increase the efficiency. Lower textures, more blurry stuff, less characters appearing on the screens... etc. If the Xbox version of The Witcher 2 is any indicator, FFXIV ver 2.0 for console will be vastly different than it is now.

The GTX 680 can x2 or x3 stronger than the 6870 but I can barely run FFXIV with no AA on 1920x1080 in a super crowded area (everything else is great though) so the 680 might take a beating with x4 AA but safer with x2 AA. This is a possibility as FFXIV is inefficient.

Edited, Apr 18th 2012 1:38pm by Oddwaffle
#13 Apr 18 2012 at 1:43 PM Rating: Decent
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so what kind of card do you think that person has in that video if the person playing 720p?
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Oddwaffle wrote:
How on earth can this thing run on a PS3?


SE really needs to optimize the game, as is my 2 year old video card in my 4 year old PC, performs on par with my gaming laptop which has at least x3 the capability's of my PC. Just like some one said as is XIV is currently like a race through a traffic jam.

Edited, Apr 18th 2012 4:08pm by TwiddleDee

Edited, Apr 18th 2012 4:09pm by TwiddleDee
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#15 Apr 18 2012 at 2:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Vern716 wrote:
so what kind of card do you think that person has in that video if the person playing 720p?


Post a comment to her video and ask her?
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#16 Apr 18 2012 at 5:12 PM Rating: Decent
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if you talk about spec with her she does not reply idk why
#17 Apr 18 2012 at 10:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Vern716 wrote:
if you talk about spec with her she does not reply idk why


You already have the info you need. The 570 is the best thing you can get on your budget. You could've just added this to the thread you already have opened.

Try sitting down and figuring out what is the absolute max you can spend. Then ask for advice based on that. No one will be able to help you if you keep changing your budget. You'll end up with 500 responses about components you're not going to buy anyway...
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#18 Apr 19 2012 at 4:54 AM Rating: Decent
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+1 for AMD 7870 or NVidia GTX 570 or wait for a GTX 670/660 ti
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#19 Apr 19 2012 at 5:06 AM Rating: Good
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yfaithfully wrote:
Oddwaffle wrote:
That movie is in low resolution for recording, even the 6870 should be able to run it smoothly at that resolution. People usually don't play at that resolution for the eye candy. Assuming you have a decent CPU, then 6870 should be able to run FFXIV at 1280x1024 fairly smoothly. If you throw in AAx2 and 1920x1080 you might want to go with the 7850 at the minimum or even the GTX 680 ($500).

FFXIV is very inefficient, it`s like having a traffic jam in a race between video cards. A sport car can`t out run my granny car by much. Similarly, you aren`t using the full potential of a strong video card with FFXIV. It simply doesn`t utilize the horse power effectively.

Wow, a GTX 680 just for 1920 x 1080 with AAx2? That's insanity.

How on earth can this thing run on a PS3?



Seriously??? a gtx 460 can run the game on moderately high settings with the above settings. A gtx 680 to run at 1080p, please. That is way of an overkill for this game for which the op is asking. If yall are unable to run at moderately high settings with the eqivalants of gtx460 and above, then there is something that is not configured correctly in your systems.

I have dual 480's, and for a while was running at 5040x1050. I was running at the same mod to high settings, now I have switched to just 1080p, and now run at max settings without AO.

Yes, the 690 adds approx a 40% performance increase or equivalant (slightly better) to my current setup with just one card, but at a cost of 500-700 USD.

Let's face it, the game as it stands is poorly optimized, and it brings even the best rigs to their knees at times, but I believe that a lot of it (except AO) is server lag.
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#20 Apr 19 2012 at 7:03 AM Rating: Good
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Hey, actually created an account to reply to this. Been lurking around here for months now. Anyway.....

I've run FFXIV on everything from a 8800m (laptop) to GTX580SLI and several cards in between. Truth is you don't need a super huge video card to run this game and have it look good. At the bottom of the range I would suggest is a Radeon 4670 (I have two of these) and that does struggle a bit. With your budget in mind you can go with a lot bigger card than that.

Personally I would suggest something like a Radeon 7870....
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150605
It's at the top end of your budget but it's latest tech and has 2GB of vram. Now when the gtx670 or 660ti comes out that might be a good choice too. A 670 will most likely be $399.

At the bottom of your budget would be a 560ti 448core....
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130738
This is a good card for the money. It is a generation back, but it will still do DX11 and all that.

Couple other things I wanted to point out as far as Crossfire and SLI. One is that if you're planning on getting a second card go with the latest tech, which is currently the Radeon 7xxx cards and the Nvidia 6xx cards. Reason is I've found a lot of times if you wait too long that particular card will go out of circulation and you won't be able to find a second one.
The second issue is Crossfire vs SLI, especially with FFXIV. If you run full screen then it's not so much of an issue, but I found that only SLI will run in windowed mode. Crossfire will only run one card in windowed. Now, that may have changed, but as of a year ago it wouldn't work. I'm currently not subbed into FFXIV so I can't test it on my 4670 Xfire rig. I suppose I could check it with the load up screen. If anyone has any newer info on this please chime in.


Edit: one other thing, make sure you have enough power supply to run whatever card you're looking at. They usually list that in the video card specs.

Edited, Apr 19th 2012 9:09am by VG1
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FYI, just did a test with the character screen on FFXIV and crossfire was not running in windowed mode.
#22 Apr 19 2012 at 3:14 PM Rating: Default
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Well i think im just going to go with a GTX 560 TI 2GB
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Keep in mind that the x60 GPUs are entry level for decent to good performance. Again I will suggest(and I know I sound like a company rep, but the deal is just too good to pass up) that you get it from EVGA. The benefit is that if you do decide within the next few months that you want to step-up to the next better model, you can do that for the difference in cost plus shipping.

Good luck with whatever you decide.
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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#24 Apr 19 2012 at 4:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Remember there are two different models the 384 core and the 448 core. As far as I know the 448 is 1.28GB, unless someone made one with more memory. The 384 comes in both a 1GB and a few had 2GB. Unless you're planning on running something more than 1080p or 1200p resolution I would suggest the 448 core. Find some articles on the internet comparing the two and you'll see the difference. The 560ti 448 is almost as strong as the 570.


Edit: the breakdown goes like this: 560ti 384 cuda cores, 560Ti 448 448 cuda cores, gtx570 480 cuda cores, gtx580 512 cuda cores. That's really the main difference between the cards. You can think of it kinda as the number of streams of data the card can handle at one time. The memory is just the amount of data it can load up to work with. FFXIV generally doesn't use a ton unless you're resolution is pretty high or you're trying to run a high anti aliasing. I don't think I've ever seen my 580 use more than 1GB playing FFXIV, and that's like 8x CSAA at 1920x1200.

Edited, Apr 19th 2012 6:58pm by VG1

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Edited, Apr 19th 2012 7:06pm by VG1
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Also worth noting is the second hand graphics card markets, I picked up my GTX 580 for $300.00 on ebay recently.
Its only approximately 20-25% slower than the current top dog the GTX 680 which retails in excess of $500.00.
Just make sure you inform yourself about manufacturer warranty policies for second owners and ask the seller for the receipt for the original purchase.
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Keep in mind that the x60 GPUs are entry level for decent to good performance. Again I will suggest(and I know I sound like a company rep, but the deal is just too good to pass up) that you get it from EVGA. The benefit is that if you do decide within the next few months that you want to step-up to the next better model, you can do that for the difference in cost plus shipping.

Good luck with whatever you decide.



No need to appologize for sounding like a company rep, you are actually correct. The x-60's are entry level high end cards, and I always use EVGA. Also, like another poster stated, EBAY is a great place to get "slightly" used high end cards for half the price. But like they said, get the receipt for the warranty.
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#27 Apr 23 2012 at 7:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ebay is a good place for getting second hand cards now since the 680 is coming out and a few people might sell their older cards there. 560TI is a good card for around $200-250; this card price varies a lot so don't go paying $300 for it. The 448 cores 560TI has similar performance to the GTX 570 and the AMD 7850. All 3 cards range between $200-$300, pick then one with the best price.

Performance wise:
GTX 680 = class of its own given $500 price
AMD 7970 = recently lowered to $480
GTX 580 ~ AMD 7870 < AMD 7950 = roughly $350~$400 range
GTX 570 ~ 560TI (448 cores) ~ AMD 7850 = $200~300 range
560TI is slightly better than AMD 6870 = around $160~220 range
#28 Apr 23 2012 at 8:13 AM Rating: Good
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GTX 460 has been rated the best value by just about every website for some time. I use it, and it runs FFXIV at 1080 just fine. Not everything maxed out, but well enough. Is it "the best card"? No, but it is the best value. And, it's less than $200, which is under your budget. If you insist on spending $250+, get a 560/70/80.
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