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#1 May 08 2012 at 9:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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Not that it's a huge deal, but it was nice of SE to send out this e-mail

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Thank you for playing FINAL FANTASY XIV.

It is our pleasure to inform you that you have qualified for the FINAL FANTASY XIV Legacy Campaign, and are now recognized as a Legacy member.

We look forward to your ongoing patronage as the game continues its evolution towards version 2.0.


So at least theres no room to question things for those who plan on subbing the minimum amount of time and then canceling until 2.0
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#2 May 10 2012 at 7:21 AM Rating: Good
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Another cool (but arguably useless) addition is now there's a Legacy Campain banner at the character selection screen if you have met requirements.
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#3 May 11 2012 at 9:55 AM Rating: Default
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I was actually excited about the free welcome back campaign trial... until I read about the legacy campaign. I stopped playing the game because I didn't think it was worth the money in the state it was presented. Now I find out (if I read correctly, and I admit I may have misinterpreted the legacy campaign) that people who continued to pay will be paying less per month than me if I do sign up... why should I bother to rejoin the game in this case? I can understand rewarding players who stuck with it, but there are plenty of ways to do that without making returning players pay more for the same content.

Honestly, this company doesn't make any sense to me. It's literally as though they don't want me spending my money with them. And I won't, as much as it pains me to say it, not while the guy next to me is paying less for the same content. If they lower the standard rate to the legacy rate, I'll consider re-joining. Otherwise they can kiss my ***.
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#4 May 11 2012 at 10:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ultimately that's your choice, but the reverse is also true. People are playing the game in a state that has been inexcusable for quite a long time, and they have effectively invested money into the health and longevity of FFXIV. Why should they pay the same rate than those who jump on and off the bandwagon, only reaping the rewards of the monetary support of others?

Two sides to every coin, but, at the risk of sounding even more rude, Legacy Campaigners do get additional rewards that are not monitary as well.

For one, only those who have played during this time of the game will get a Goobue mount. And those who qualify for Legacy Campaign also get a unique chocobo mount come 2.0.

Are they over-rewarding loyalty? Perhaps

And nothing prevents you from signing up now and taking advantage of the campaign. You don't have to play, and you'll get the money back in dividends later.

Put simply, SE is going to pay you to invest in them a little. You don't have to, mind you. . But don't pretend like you're being punished or anything. The 'standard price' actually supports more now than it did before. (Remember the initial standard membership was 1 character, period. Now, it's one character on every server.)

I really can't fault SE here. Those who are complaining about it now are simply doing so because they don't want to invest in a game they have no confidence in. And that's fine. But why should that mentality be rewarded?
#5 May 11 2012 at 10:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Well, this helps because I didn't know there was still time to qualify for the Legacy Campaign (rate up for you sir!). How long will it last? When do you have to sign up in order to qualify?

It still strikes me as an incredibly bad business decision. The people who stuck around and paid for a product that wasn't worth the investment should definitely be rewarded for their loyalty to and faith in the company, but rewarding them by grandfathering them a lower monthly subscription fee is not going to go over well with new players coming into the game after the Campaign ends. No Gouboo mount, I can deal with. They could have given people free character slots, or free and exclusive starting gear. This would all have been good and fair to new and old players alike. The current notion of basing subscription fee off of time paying for their beta testing is, to put it bluntly, a kick in the *** to exactly the people they should be looking to butter up right now: returning and newly interested players.
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So one of the big downsides of playing PUP, and why almost everyone hates them, is that they all display the wounds of Christ?
Sephrick wrote:
I'd imagine it as descretely reaching around said person, not screaming kamehameha as I use the pld as a trampoline.
dmhlucky wrote:
the curse of good DD's is they tend to have less Defense, meaning they get high for more.
Master ketrel wrote:
Its just an emote you sick son of a *****
#6 May 11 2012 at 11:10 AM Rating: Good
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I think the only people that really got shafted on this subscription deal were new PS3 players that were waiting and waiting, and now they need to pay a standard subscription on top of that.

To returning players, well you are getting a "discount" right now for not playing at all. If you don't want to pay the fee so much, just sign up now so you can qualify for it.

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#7 May 11 2012 at 11:17 AM Rating: Decent
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If you don't want to pay the fee so much, just sign up now so you can qualify for it.


My big issue with not subscribing is paying for the game when I don't feel it's appropriate of the company to ask me to do so. Since there's a free deal going on, I may well resubscribe. Since I was unaware that the Legacy Campaign was still open, I had a "wtf" moment there.

Do you know long will the window of opportunity last? I'm looking for it but my google-fu is weak ; ;

Edit: My problem, I guess, is I can't find out when the Beta starts (and hence the Legacy Campaign closes).

Edit: Ok, pretty sure I found it: starts some time in September or October, so as long as you get in in May, chances are you'll be good, is this correct?

Now, the thing is, since the free trial ends in about 10 days, doesn't that mean I'll have to pay the subscription fee for those other two and a half months?

Edited, May 11th 2012 12:25pm by GailC
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Ealdwulf wrote:
So one of the big downsides of playing PUP, and why almost everyone hates them, is that they all display the wounds of Christ?
Sephrick wrote:
I'd imagine it as descretely reaching around said person, not screaming kamehameha as I use the pld as a trampoline.
dmhlucky wrote:
the curse of good DD's is they tend to have less Defense, meaning they get high for more.
Master ketrel wrote:
Its just an emote you sick son of a *****
#8 May 11 2012 at 11:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Simple fix really, they should apply the reduced fee to anybody who bought the game at release. Everybody wins.
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#9 May 11 2012 at 11:35 AM Rating: Default
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Simple fix really, they should apply the reduced fee to anybody who bought the game at release. Everybody wins.


While i'm biased, as I pre-ordered the game before launch, I still think this is more fair to everyone involved. The fact that the game wasn't playable was SE's fault, not mine. Rewarding people for sticking around despite that is commendable. Making people pay more for making a good financial decision isn't going to endear them to your payment scheme, no matter how you phrase it.

Again, in game items would have been an ideal way of doing this. I also would have been cool with, say, giving players who stuck with the game a proportionate number of months of free service. That would be fair, and also reward them for sticking it out. I'm not as torqued about this as I was when I entered the thread, because I didn't know when the 2.0 beta started, so I had no idea that I could still hit the 90 period mark.

Still, my initial thought, believing I had missed the time period for entry to the campaign, was "do you guys seriously not want my money?"

I'm sure not everyone's going to have that reaction when entry is no longer open, but I'm sure a lot of people will.
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Ealdwulf wrote:
So one of the big downsides of playing PUP, and why almost everyone hates them, is that they all display the wounds of Christ?
Sephrick wrote:
I'd imagine it as descretely reaching around said person, not screaming kamehameha as I use the pld as a trampoline.
dmhlucky wrote:
the curse of good DD's is they tend to have less Defense, meaning they get high for more.
Master ketrel wrote:
Its just an emote you sick son of a *****
#10 May 11 2012 at 12:38 PM Rating: Good
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If you pay for 3 consecutive months before 2.0 you get a discount... pay your 3 months, GTFO until 2.0 is where you want it, come back and reap the rewards of a lower sub... I really don't see how this is an issue....
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#11 May 11 2012 at 12:50 PM Rating: Good
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GailC wrote:
Well, this helps because I didn't know there was still time to qualify for the Legacy Campaign (rate up for you sir!). How long will it last? When do you have to sign up in order to qualify?

It still strikes me as an incredibly bad business decision. The people who stuck around and paid for a product that wasn't worth the investment should definitely be rewarded for their loyalty to and faith in the company, but rewarding them by grandfathering them a lower monthly subscription fee is not going to go over well with new players coming into the game after the Campaign ends. No Gouboo mount, I can deal with. They could have given people free character slots, or free and exclusive starting gear. This would all have been good and fair to new and old players alike. The current notion of basing subscription fee off of time paying for their beta testing is, to put it bluntly, a kick in the *** to exactly the people they should be looking to butter up right now: returning and newly interested players.



Hmm. I suppose they could lower the 'one character' price to $9.99 to make things seem even. I think that would balance things out. I understand your reasoning and can see the benefits for it. The difference isn't all that much between the 'entry' and 'legacy' price points, at least to the individual buyer (3 dollers). But there are going to be those that feel slighted by the Legacy Campaign no matter what they reward us with.

Still, catch it now.

Excalibur is a heck of a server if you want to hop in. Fairly populated and plenty of shouts in Ul'dah.

Edited, May 11th 2012 2:53pm by Hyrist
#12 May 11 2012 at 2:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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They aren't making anyone pay more that was the set standard fee from the beginning and always has been. They are simply rewarding the people who are paying now for what is considered to be an inferior product by reducing their fees.
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They aren't making anyone pay more that was the set standard fee from the beginning and always has been. They are simply rewarding the people who are paying now for what is considered to be an inferior product by reducing their fees.


This. You aren't "paying more" for the game, you're paying what the original fee is going to be. Those of us who are tossing in our dollars now will probably still end up paying as much as you do until some point years down the road, think of it as getting our money back for playing the game while they get things fixed.
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#14 May 11 2012 at 3:01 PM Rating: Good
I think people are skeptical because they spent 50-80$ on the game, and then some if you count pc upgrades. The game was horrible, so they felt duped. Now SE wants another 25$ to get a discount later on for a game that may flop just as hard. On the one hand, I see where the dedicated folk are coming from, on the other hand SE can rob us again. Of course as I write this I'm debating paying for 3 months as the current discounted fee is cheaper then 2 months of any other AAA mmo. Then, if 2.0 is great, you get your money back in no time, if it sucks, Se now has 100$ of my money that I have spent unwisely.
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I think people are skeptical because they spent 50-80$ on the game, and then some if you count pc upgrades. The game was horrible, so they felt duped. Now SE wants another 25$ to get a discount later on for a game that may flop just as hard. On the one hand, I see where the dedicated folk are coming from, on the other hand SE can rob us again. Of course as I write this I'm debating paying for 3 months as the current discounted fee is cheaper then 2 months of any other AAA mmo. Then, if 2.0 is great, you get your money back in no time, if it sucks, Se now has 100$ of my money that I have spent unwisely.



You know, what convinced me back wasn't the game itself.

It was Yoshida.

The man is earnest in his desire to make this game good, and he's shown to the Main Forum community that he personally is keeping an eye out - as is evidenced by several non-official comments made out by him.

He listens, he's got a passion for the game that puts Tanaka to shame, and he keeps people up to date as best he can. You might not agree with the decisions, but his personal approach to developing games and interacting with the games community is better than many WESTERN companies I've seen. And that's amazing considering that SE and other Eastern world companies are notorious for being tight-lipped.

I've read his vision for the game and I'm seeing it slowly build in the updates he's been giving us. And while there are some things I disagree with and shake my head at (Hamlet Defense could use significant tweaking). I'm finding much more I'm enjoying.
#16 May 11 2012 at 10:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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You also have to remember that when 2.0 goes live they will be doing another 30 day free trial this applies to everyone including those who bought the game on release and have since stopped playing. If the state of the game during this campaign isn't good enough for you to start paying again there is still that time to try it out one last time for a whole month. If by then its still not good enough then the game is probably not for you anyway.
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