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#1 May 15 2012 at 3:51 PM Rating: Decent
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From the EULA:
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- "THIS SOFTWARE IS LICENSED, NOT SOLD."
- "8. . . . Blizzard may terminate this Agreement at any time for any reason or no reason. Upon termination, all licenses granted herein shall immediately terminate and you must promptly remove the Game from your hard drive."
- "WHEN RUNNING, THE GAME MAY MONITOR YOUR COMPUTER'S RANDOM ACCESS MEMORY (RAM) FOR UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS RUNNING CONCURRENTLY WITH THE GAME . . . IN THE EVENT THAT THE GAME DETECTS AN UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM, THE GAME MAY (a) COMMUNICATE INFORMATION BACK TO BLIZZARD, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION YOUR ACCOUNT NAME, DETAILS ABOUT THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM DETECTED, AND THE TIME AND DATE; AND/OR (b) EXERCISE ANY OR ALL OF ITS RIGHTS UNDER THIS AGREEMENT, WITH OR WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO THE USER."
- "14. Ownership of Loot. YOU AGREE THAT:
A. Blizzard owns or has the right to use all of the Loot, as well as all of the characters and content that appears in Diablo.
B. You do not own any of the Loot, characters, or other content that appears in Diablo, and that you have no right or title in or to any of the Loot (other than any license to use any Loot granted to you by Blizzard, which may be revoked by Blizzard at any time), Diablo, or your [Battle.net] account.
C. You are not allowed to sell, trade or somehow transfer Loot, characters, or any other Diablo content outside of Diablo or the Auction House."


For a game that with all do respect should have been, single player, offline. D1 i like, D2 i still play (rarely), but this is to much..
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#2 May 15 2012 at 3:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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#3 May 15 2012 at 3:57 PM Rating: Default
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Olorinus wrote:
think this is the wrong forum


Not Quite, to many people i know are running to D3, from xiv. So this is a good a place as any for those not yet hooped.


Edited, May 15th 2012 5:58pm by TwiddleDee
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So far D3 launch has been horribe <.<
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If we're talking about people playing either FFXIV or Diablo III, they don't have ownership of their game/characters either way, so it's probably best to go with whichever they enjoy more. Those who value ownership of their game and progress enough to avoid games with such user agreements should stay away from both FFXIV and Diablo III.

Edited, May 15th 2012 7:21pm by Susanoh
#7 May 15 2012 at 5:40 PM Rating: Good
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Diablo III really should be read as Diablo III Online: Activision's bid for your money.

You pay, real life money for loot you'll never own through their auction system. They take an effing TRANSACTION FEE on top of the exchange, and ultimately, for whatever reason, they can just shut you down.

Square Enix made some people mad by making online games a part of their normal FF franchise, but they didn't starve people a sequel for 12 years first and provide no alternative games of a favorite franchise that are still single player. This is what Activision/Blizzard did.

They took a gameplay type I really liked, and dragged into a field of gaming I never would play it in. I was considering it, but that EULA I'm not into at all.


Edited, May 15th 2012 7:46pm by Hyrist
#8 May 15 2012 at 6:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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Hyrist wrote:
Diablo III really should be read as Diablo III Online: Activision's bid for your money.

You pay, real life money for loot you'll never own through their auction system. They take an effing TRANSACTION FEE on top of the exchange, and ultimately, for whatever reason, they can just shut you down.


From a player perspective, after you buy the game itself, how much money you spend (or make) from it is really up to you. You can choose to only buy or sell items using the in game currency auction house, and never spend another dime of real money, or you could choose to only buy or only sell using the real money auction house, or a combination of the two. Blizzard does take a cut, but they take it from the seller, the person making the money. Considering that with most games, making money by playing isn't an official method within the game, you are still able to make more money using in game methods than you could in those other games.

Other games make money using other methods, such as an online cash shop, or the classic method followed by the game this message board is dedicated to, by charging a mandatory online fee for play access. Paying using either of these methods doesn't grant you any more ownership of your characters than you would get in Diablo. In fact, the online fee is the only method that is absolutely required to be able to play the game. All things considered, Diablo's supposed "cash grab" methods are not required to play the game and only take a cut from the people making money, it's not a horrible money sink that will bleed you dry unless you want and allow it to.
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Almost all games with online content come with terms of agreement just like this. I would be surprised if FF11/14 are any different. All companies will claim ownership of all content of their accounts and ect. Otherwise you could sue them if anything happened to it. And this one is pretty good actually, alot of them will outright say they can take whatever data they want from your computer for 'marketing' purposes ect...This one seems to be pretty narrow.
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What is this thread about? These things are standard in multiplayer games. Shocking I know, but people need to be reminded that virtual goods do not actually belong to them in real life. Did people think that their in-game drops really belonged to them?
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What is this thread about? These things are standard in multiplayer games. Shocking I know, but people need to be reminded that virtual goods do not actually belong to them in real life. Did people think that their in-game drops really belonged to them?


Shocking I know, but Multiplayer games entail more than just MMO and the like. Like maybe, you know, Starcraft 2! Or Starcraft! Or maybe even Diablo 2. No, the problem with D3 is that they are, for all intention, making an MMO and advertise it like a normal Single + Multiplayer game. Many will buy it because they have no alternative for a franchise they like, I think you used to call them fanboys. Borderlands 2 looks really tempting now, or Grimdawn.
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
What is this thread about? These things are standard in multiplayer games. Shocking I know, but people need to be reminded that virtual goods do not actually belong to them in real life. Did people think that their in-game drops really belonged to them?


Shocking I know, but Multiplayer games entail more than just MMO and the like. Like maybe, you know, Starcraft 2! Or Starcraft! Or maybe even Diablo 2. No, the problem with D3 is that they are, for all intention, making an MMO and advertise it like a normal Single + Multiplayer game. Many will buy it because they have no alternative for a franchise they like, I think you used to call them fanboys. Borderlands 2 looks really tempting now, or Grimdawn.


It is not an MMO! It is a single player game, with the option of playing it with a party online, you can play the game single mode from start to finish, farm till you go blue in the face, and never touch any of the online options, but that is like buying MW3 for the single player campaign.......
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From the EULA:
Quote:
- "THIS SOFTWARE IS LICENSED, NOT SOLD."
- "8. . . . Blizzard may terminate this Agreement at any time for any reason or no reason. Upon termination, all licenses granted herein shall immediately terminate and you must promptly remove the Game from your hard drive."
- "WHEN RUNNING, THE GAME MAY MONITOR YOUR COMPUTER'S RANDOM ACCESS MEMORY (RAM) FOR UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS RUNNING CONCURRENTLY WITH THE GAME . . . IN THE EVENT THAT THE GAME DETECTS AN UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM, THE GAME MAY (a) COMMUNICATE INFORMATION BACK TO BLIZZARD, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION YOUR ACCOUNT NAME, DETAILS ABOUT THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM DETECTED, AND THE TIME AND DATE; AND/OR (b) EXERCISE ANY OR ALL OF ITS RIGHTS UNDER THIS AGREEMENT, WITH OR WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO THE USER."
- "14. Ownership of Loot. YOU AGREE THAT:
A. Blizzard owns or has the right to use all of the Loot, as well as all of the characters and content that appears in Diablo.
B. You do not own any of the Loot, characters, or other content that appears in Diablo, and that you have no right or title in or to any of the Loot (other than any license to use any Loot granted to you by Blizzard, which may be revoked by Blizzard at any time), Diablo, or your [Battle.net] account.
C. You are not allowed to sell, trade or somehow transfer Loot, characters, or any other Diablo content outside of Diablo or the Auction House."


For a game that with all do respect should have been, single player, offline. D1 i like, D2 i still play (rarely), but this is to much..


So... don't play it?

why is this in the ff14 forums?
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I'm curious as to how you think a player would be able to "own" a digital item such as those that you can place on this Diablo auction house.

To say that you "own" an item is to say that you have certain rights to it - and that others have certain obligations as a consequence. What would happen to "my property" if Diablo III were to shutdown some day? Would Blizzard need to ensure that I had some way to access these items in such a case? And, if so, then how would we define access? For that matter, how would we define an item?

Let's say that I "owned" a cute little Diablo III wand. What does this ownership entail? Does it encompass the code that describes the item - do I own a proud string of 10001001110100100100101010~? Does this ownership encompass that item's texture(s)? Its model(s)? Any associated sound effects? What about the ways in which it affects my character? How can we say that I fully owned the item unless I can make full use of it? Surely just a string of code written on a piece of paper would seem an insufficient ownership.

Well, one might rightly point out that I couldn't own this wand without necessarily accessing a great number of other things - such as the relevant game, for one thing.

No: if anything, these items are not property but services, and we can only ever "own" them insofar as we are granted the ability or right to access them. Digital items seem more like intellectual property, and their manifestations perhaps the requisitions of individual services. I cannot think of a case in which the ownership of an in-game item could be carried very far beyond the immediate game at all and, for that reason, there is good reason for such a stipulation to exist in the EULA - at least until I see a workable solution to the matter (and I am willing to listen!).
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Khornette wrote:
FilthMcNasty wrote:
What is this thread about? These things are standard in multiplayer games. Shocking I know, but people need to be reminded that virtual goods do not actually belong to them in real life. Did people think that their in-game drops really belonged to them?


Shocking I know, but Multiplayer games entail more than just MMO and the like. Like maybe, you know, Starcraft 2! Or Starcraft! Or maybe even Diablo 2. No, the problem with D3 is that they are, for all intention, making an MMO and advertise it like a normal Single + Multiplayer game. Many will buy it because they have no alternative for a franchise they like, I think you used to call them fanboys. Borderlands 2 looks really tempting now, or Grimdawn.


It is not an MMO! It is a single player game, with the option of playing it with a party online, you can play the game single mode from start to finish, farm till you go blue in the face, and never touch any of the online options, but that is like buying MW3 for the single player campaign.......


Wait, wut? You mean that there are several ways to enjoy playing... the same game? I'm a long time FF player so that is a foreign concept. Please forgive me.
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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
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Ostia wrote:
Khornette wrote:
FilthMcNasty wrote:
What is this thread about? These things are standard in multiplayer games. Shocking I know, but people need to be reminded that virtual goods do not actually belong to them in real life. Did people think that their in-game drops really belonged to them?


Shocking I know, but Multiplayer games entail more than just MMO and the like. Like maybe, you know, Starcraft 2! Or Starcraft! Or maybe even Diablo 2. No, the problem with D3 is that they are, for all intention, making an MMO and advertise it like a normal Single + Multiplayer game. Many will buy it because they have no alternative for a franchise they like, I think you used to call them fanboys. Borderlands 2 looks really tempting now, or Grimdawn.


It is not an MMO! It is a single player game, with the option of playing it with a party online, you can play the game single mode from start to finish, farm till you go blue in the face, and never touch any of the online options, but that is like buying MW3 for the single player campaign.......


RMT Auction House.
You have to be online everytime you play. It's fine until Blizzard squash your Bnet account, effectively rendered your copy useless for even single player, unless you resort to illegal means.

Yea yea it's a single player game. At least games activated through Steam can be played offline wherever and whenever you want.
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A lot of hyperbole from both sides regarding a game that's about as 180 from FFXIV as you can get. It's possible for players to enjoy both franchises, as they offer different gameplay aspects, and the evils surrounding Blizzard and the Diablo III game direction are no where near as bad as the antagonists here would have you believe.

- Blizzard really screwed up by calling this, or at least attaching the phrase "single player game" to it. This really is an online game that happens to have a robust and extensive option to play alone, but the fundamentals behind it are rooted in online gameplay. You can share a world with others, or keep it all to yourself, but it will be an online world regardless. To tout this as a single player game, along the lines of what most people expect from a single player game was a bad PR move on Blizzard's part.

Or maybe they just expected this initial backlash, knew that people would eventually get over it, and didn't want to scare away potential customers by emphasizing the online part in regard to its relation to single player, and it was a calculated move.

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You pay, real life money for loot you'll never own through their auction system. They take an effing TRANSACTION FEE on top of the exchange, and ultimately, for whatever reason, they can just shut you down.


The real money auction house is completely optional to use, both for seller and buyer. No part of the game right now requires such mechanics, and will likely never require the 'investment' of real money to enjoy as a player sees fit. If not used, the real money auction house will have no impact on your singleplayer gameplay experience whatsoever.

In fact there isn't even an active real money auction house in the game right now.

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I was considering it, but that EULA I'm not into at all.


The EULA is no different than any other online game out right now, including FFXIV.

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but that is like buying MW3 for the single player campaign.......


That's not a very good analogy and puts a negative connotation on Diablo III single player. That play option was a primary focus of Blizzard during the development, and meant to be enjoyed extensively. It's a very robust and completely solid and stable gameplay for those who never with to experience it with others. The single player campaigns in MW3 were, short, for lack of a better word and more of a primer for the multiplayer - this is absolutely not true for Diablo III and shouldn't discourage anyone who wishes to pick it up and play it but does not wish to engage its content socially.

It's completely reasonable for someone to buy Diablo III for the single player campaign only. Not everyone enjoys online play as much as others.

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I'm curious as to how you think a player would be able to "own" a digital item such as those that you can place on this Diablo auction house.

To say that you "own" an item is to say that you have certain rights to it - and that others have certain obligations as a consequence. What would happen to "my property" if Diablo III were to shutdown some day? Would Blizzard need to ensure that I had some way to access these items in such a case? And, if so, then how would we define access? For that matter, how would we define an item?


You can own a digital item, the details of which are on the forefront of legalese right now, but such a notion is not so far fetched anymore and more and more courts are ruling in favor of digital ownership of virtual goods.

The actualities behind your questions are good, and not something I'm versed in or sure if it has even been decided, but it's been well established that possession of digital goods is in fact possible in regards to the rights afforded from common goods ownership.

That won't be the next answer or group of answers we hear though regarding this. You know what will be? Taxes.

Don't be surprised when we see a flood of posts come the first of next year regarding IRS forms sent out by Blizzard to those who have engaged in more than X amount of real money transactions for virtual goods. Thanks to Second Life, this is already established and recognized and there's no way the IRS is going to look past getting a piece of the action.
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From the EULA:IMMA QUOTE SOME EULA STUFFZ THAT MAKES ME SEEM SMART BUT ULTIMATELY SHOWS THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER ONLINE GAME'S EULA IN EXISTANCE (including WoW)


I fail to see what the issue is. The "spy" software is Warden, which merely looks to see if memory allocations are being edited (which are only done so if using hacks).

The rest is whinging to simply whine.

Edited, May 16th 2012 10:41am by Viertel
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Olorinus wrote:
think this is the wrong forum
Not Quite, to many people i know are running to D3, from xiv. So this is a good a place as any for those not yet hooped.


Diablo 3 has just about nothing to do with FF14 or MMO's in general.
It has multi-player capabilities but that doesn't make it a MMO.
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Viertel wrote:
TwiddleDee wrote:
From the EULA:IMMA QUOTE SOME EULA STUFFZ THAT MAKES ME SEEM SMART BUT ULTIMATELY SHOWS THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER ONLINE GAME'S EULA IN EXISTANCE (including WoW)


I fail to see what the issue is. The "spy" software is Warden, which merely looks to see if memory allocations are being edited (which are only done so if using hacks).

The rest is whinging to simply whine.

Edited, May 16th 2012 10:41am by Viertel


Issue, which seems to elude you is that D3's advertisement is plastered with "it's single player, with online capabilities", "come purchase the game", and promising 12 years if innovation. While in reality it's an online money grab, which you never truly own, which in all do respect looks like a quick 6 month side project. Only real consolation i got is that after beating it in 17h's, i was able to get a full refund.
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Issue, which seems to elude you is that D3's advertisement is plastered with "it's single player, with online capabilities", "come purchase the game", and promising 12 years if innovation. While in reality it's an online money grab, which you never truly own, which in all do respect looks like a quick 6 month side project. Only real consolation i got is that after beating it in 17h's, i was able to get a full refund.


A few things you should note:

XIV advertises that it's an MMO, yet it hardly qualifies as massive. You're lucky to get enough people for the larger events and even then it's always the usual suspects.

Welcome to 2012. Companies are constantly looking to make expansions, add-ons and introducing content that you purchase separate from the game. This doesn't happen only in MMOs. Sports games, FPS games and anything else you could think of have been doing this. It takes a lot of nerve calling another game a money grab when XIV is charging it's players well before the release of 2.0 when they said they'd start charging.

You will never truly own any online game, nor the 'property' which exists within it; you basically pay for the license to use it.


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30 bucks is almost free

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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
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Issue, which seems to elude you is that D3's advertisement is plastered with "it's single player, with online capabilities", "come purchase the game", and promising 12 years if innovation. While in reality it's an online money grab, which you never truly own, which in all do respect looks like a quick 6 month side project. Only real consolation i got is that after beating it in 17h's, i was able to get a full refund.



stop with this please.


due respect. as in, respect due to someone. as in, with all due respect to you, please stop using phrases that you don't comprehend.


also, who cares about d3.
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also, who cares about d3.


Can't tell if sarcastic. There were probably more people waiting on server queues for D3 then there were unique logins for XIV even including the welcome back campaign. D3 broke presale records. XIV probably broke records for how fast they chased their playerbase away...
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30 bucks is almost free

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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
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TwiddleDee wrote:
Viertel wrote:
TwiddleDee wrote:
From the EULA:IMMA QUOTE SOME EULA STUFFZ THAT MAKES ME SEEM SMART BUT ULTIMATELY SHOWS THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER ONLINE GAME'S EULA IN EXISTANCE (including WoW)


I fail to see what the issue is. The "spy" software is Warden, which merely looks to see if memory allocations are being edited (which are only done so if using hacks).

The rest is whinging to simply whine.

Edited, May 16th 2012 10:41am by Viertel


Issue, which seems to elude you is that D3's advertisement is plastered with "it's single player, with online capabilities", "come purchase the game", and promising 12 years if innovation. While in reality it's an online money grab, which you never truly own, which in all do respect looks like a quick 6 month side project. Only real consolation i got is that after beating it in 17h's, i was able to get a full refund.


I can understand preferring to play a game that can be played completely in offline mode with no incentive for transactions from the player. If you value completely offline single player games that you truly own a copy of when you purchase, there are many offline single player RPGs that may be more appealing than Diablo.

What I don't get is why you seem to want to warn FFXIV players since, as you mentioned in post #3, many that you know who play this game are moving to it. Every single issue you take with Diablo is present in FFXIV. You don't own any characters, items or progress in FFXIV. They can be taken from you at any time, or the servers can be shut down by the developers. You must have an internet connection to play at all times. For someone coming from FFXIV, Diablo is not doing anything that the game they're playing now doesn't do already.

Lastly, about Diablo being a "money grab." Did you know that the only people Blizzard is taking money from is the people who are making a profit from playing their game? Diablo III allows you to either buy, sell, or never touch the real world auction house, and they only take any money from sellers. With that said, Diablo players can either make money, lose money, or have no real world gain or loss (after the initial purchase) depending on their spending and playing habits. From a purely financial perspective, Diablo has FFXIV and any MMO that requires a subscription beat with ease, because the player is allowed to choose what happens to their money after the initial purchase. In subscription based MMOs, you are forced to hand the developers money just to be able to log in and play a game, create characters and collect virtual goods, and just like in Diablo, you don't own any of them. But unlike Diablo, spending real world cash on the game isn't optional, it's mandatory. Based on your opinion of Diablo and its user agreement, I'm surprised this doesn't bother you.

Edited, May 16th 2012 10:02pm by Susanoh
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So far D3 launch has been horribe <.<


It's blizzard, everything they do is perfect. Their launches are perfect and SE is supposed to learn from them. >.>
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Ostia wrote:
So far D3 launch has been horribe <.<


It's blizzard, everything they do is perfect. Their launches are perfect and SE is supposed to learn from them. >.>


The only problem with this launch is that they didn't have the server capacity they should have. The only complaint I'm hearing is queues for servers which was expected.
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30 bucks is almost free

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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
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In no way, shape or form, is it mandatory to spend real life money on the auction house, in order to play, progress or enjoy Diablo 3. Whoever said that is just plain Stupid. Also there are no items only restricted to said auction house, so Blizzard is not and will not make you pay real cash for virtual items, atleast not as of today, and about the EULA, is the same story in every online game, you do not own any of your characters items, you don't even own your character.
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So far D3 launch has been horribe <.<


It's blizzard, everything they do is perfect. Their launches are perfect and SE is supposed to learn from them. >.>


The only problem with this launch is that they didn't have the server capacity they should have. The only complaint I'm hearing is queues for servers which was expected.


They knew how many people there where gonna get, and it has not only been server instability, there was a major bug with a companion, where if you traded a shield to him, you where kicked of the server and could not log back on, servers going out every 1-2 hours etc etc, i mean it has not been the most horrible launch ever, but come on, they been doing this for 20yrs, you kinda expect more lol
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Yeah, all the horror stories about the launch are justifying my decision to wait until the next paycheck.

Even my freaking manager at work was complaining that he dropped several hundred dollars into the auction house currency, only to be told he had to wait two weeks to access it.
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#31 May 17 2012 at 2:07 AM Rating: Decent
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They knew how many people there where gonna get


Two words. Digital download. Impossible to know how many people you will have on launch these days.

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there was a major bug with a companion, where if you traded a shield to him, you where kicked of the server and could not log back on


This has already been disproved.

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i mean it has not been the most horrible launch ever, but come on, they been doing this for 20yrs, you kinda expect more


You give them far too much credit. Implementing an expansion isn't the same as launching a new game.
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#32 May 17 2012 at 7:30 AM Rating: Good
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
Ostia wrote:
They knew how many people there where gonna get


Two words. Digital download. Impossible to know how many people you will have on launch these days.

Ostia wrote:
there was a major bug with a companion, where if you traded a shield to him, you where kicked of the server and could not log back on


This has already been disproved.

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i mean it has not been the most horrible launch ever, but come on, they been doing this for 20yrs, you kinda expect more


You give them far too much credit. Implementing an expansion isn't the same as launching a new game.


#1 Most people bought the game digitally from THEIR website, are you telling me, they have no way of knowing how many people where gonna be online ? really ?

#2 There was a blue post, on release day, about the bug, error 3006. look it up is still there.

#3 Starcraft 2 launch went fine, and that was not that long ago, it sold as many copies as diablo 3, and it dint had half the same issues as diablo 3, they just where not PREPARED!
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#33 May 17 2012 at 10:41 AM Rating: Decent
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#1 Most people bought the game digitally from THEIR website, are you telling me, they have no way of knowing how many people where gonna be online ? really ?

#2 There was a blue post, on release day, about the bug, error 3006. look it up is still there.

#3 Starcraft 2 launch went fine, and that was not that long ago, it sold as many copies as diablo 3, and it dint had half the same issues as diablo 3, they just where not PREPARED!


Basically, yes. You know how many people bought the game digitally, but unless they pre-purchased days in advance there really isn't a way to be ready for it. There are a lot of people who pre-purchased or who camp the stores for midnight launch, but digital download gives you about a [ insert however long it takes to download] heads up on incoming players.

I don't doubt people are still getting errors, but the cause you listed was debunked. Don't get me wrong here. I'm not suggesting that there are no problems. I'm not making excuses for Blizz and you can always be better prepared to handle things. Just saying that in light of how large launch was, the issues they're experiencing aren't any different than what I expected.

SC2 was a completely different beast altogether.
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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#34 May 17 2012 at 12:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Sweet Jesus this thread exploded from yesterday's delivery until today. Oo

I am shocked the issues D3 is having. Blizzard seems to have a huge following, very strange that they did not anticipate the servers and such.
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#35 May 17 2012 at 1:02 PM Rating: Good
I waited one day to buy it, everything's already fine. 0 issues playing at peak EST time. Could they have prepared better, possibly, but in the end, it's a game, get over it.
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Sweet Jesus this thread exploded from yesterday's delivery until today. Oo

I am shocked the issues D3 is having. Blizzard seems to have a huge following, very strange that they did not anticipate the servers and such.


LMAO Blizzard usually fails on launch day like Elder Scrolls launch with mad bugs... Both companies put out games/services that are flawed and then fix them.

On one hand I'm dissapointed... but then I think about companies that release barely flawed games and never support them... Blizzard's games and TES are usually seing patches and community support long after the next big thing hits the shelf, so I suppose I can see where it's forgivable. Me, personally? I'm not happy that a single player game is required to have online at all times. D1 and D2 were fantastic escapes during down time while deployed, D3 will never be able to fill that void when I go downrange now :( I understand the whole AH thing, but surely just as easily as items gained in the NA can't be sold in the EU they could just have simply made items earned offline not auctionable and "solved" the whole "issue". I doubt I'll ever use the RMAH I don't even know if I'll use the in game currency AH. But I do know I will be sad when I deploy and have dodgy internet or no internet at all and can't play D3 with the guy sitting next to me after a 14 hour shift...

The game itself is mediocre if I'm honest. Would I buy it again? Very likely. Does it deserve the praise from reviewers about voice acting, settings, and graphics? **** no! It's gameplay alone, it's an addicting click fest, nothing more and maybe something less. Fingers crossed that Torchlight 2 brings something new to the table other than multiplayer, because they actually innovated (compared to D3) with things like area collect and pets selling your crap in town... oh and it's cheap!
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#37 May 17 2012 at 1:43 PM Rating: Decent
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LillithaFenimore wrote:
Sweet Jesus this thread exploded from yesterday's delivery until today. Oo

I am shocked the issues D3 is having. Blizzard seems to have a huge following, very strange that they did not anticipate the servers and such.


It's not as bad as it sounds, a few people are overblowing it. are there bugs causing problems? sure. are servers packed sure! Is it this huge peoblem affecting 99% of the players? nope.

I wonder how many threads there are on the D3 forums making pot shots at FF14
#38 May 17 2012 at 2:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Perrin, ****** Superhero wrote:
Me, personally? I'm not happy that a single player game is required to have online at all times. D1 and D2 were fantastic escapes during down time while deployed, D3 will never be able to fill that void when I go downrange now :(


You do realize that you don't have to play online with other people if you don't want to, don't you? You could play the game all by yourself if you wanted to. Why sadface?

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I wonder how many threads there are on the D3 forums making pot shots at FF14


Doubt you'd even find one. The people (minority) who are having issues are trying to sort them out or the rest are asking questions or sharing first impressions.


The difference between D3 and XIV is that the launch blues will wear off in a matter of days and not years. Blizz may have a slight ding in their rep for launching with issues, but the speed at which these issues are forgotten shows just how well they communicate with their community.

D3 player: This error sucks Blizzard, fix it!

Blizz dev: We're aware of the issue, we're sorry and we are working to have it fixed as soon as possible.

The next day...

Blizz dev: So we patched the issues. How is everything working out? Is there anything else we can do?

D3 player: I'll let you know in 3 days when I have to take a break before my eyes bleed. Send me some Mountain Dew and Hot Pockets?


XIV is tainted from it's launch. I guarantee you that most players who had issues with D3 will have forgotten them within a few days.

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HaibaneRenmei wrote:
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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#39 May 17 2012 at 3:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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You do realize that you don't have to play online with other people if you don't want to, don't you? You could play the game all by yourself if you wanted to. Why sadface?


You don't have to play with other people if you don't want to, but you most certainly do have to be online at all times to play Diablo III - a persistent connection to their servers is required, even for solo play.

From his statement he made it sound like he enjoyed playing D1 and D2 even during moments where no internet connection was offered or available, which is not a possibility with D3.

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#40 May 17 2012 at 3:43 PM Rating: Good
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
You do realize that you don't have to play online with other people if you don't want to, don't you? You could play the game all by yourself if you wanted to. Why sadface?


You don't have to play with other people if you don't want to, but you most certainly do have to be online at all times to play Diablo III - a persistent connection to their servers is required, even for solo play.

From his statement he made it sound like he enjoyed playing D1 and D2 even during moments where no internet connection was offered or available, which is not a possibility with D3.



Yeah my understanding is Perrin is deployed, meaning at times he is in places without online access. I agree that it sucks to be restricted from playing a single player game if you aren't online at the time.
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#41 May 17 2012 at 3:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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You do realize that you don't have to play online with other people if you don't want to, don't you? You could play the game all by yourself if you wanted to. Why sadface?[


Um you have to play online. Yes I can turn my online status to invisible, but I still see very time my friends get and achievement or level up. I some what don't mind that, except I deploy alot. Guess what's not reliable (if it's even available) in the current area of operation... INTERNET

We had a blast linking up PCs with D2 during downtime, nothing better than beating the crap out of a horde after a long days work in the sun.... not gonna happen with D3.
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#42 May 17 2012 at 3:52 PM Rating: Default
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Perrin, ****** Superhero wrote:
FilthMcNasty wrote:
You do realize that you don't have to play online with other people if you don't want to, don't you? You could play the game all by yourself if you wanted to. Why sadface?[


Um you have to play online. Yes I can turn my online status to invisible, but I still see very time my friends get and achievement or level up. I some what don't mind that, except I deploy alot. Guess what's not reliable (if it's even available) in the current area of operation... INTERNET

We had a blast linking up PCs with D2 during downtime, nothing better than beating the crap out of a horde after a long days work in the sun.... not gonna happen with D3.


I agree that it sucks to have to be connected, but that's the nature of a lot of games these days. I feel your pain though. I have to connect and login to Origin or Steam to play games I've downloaded from them. Sorry, from what you said it sounded like you thought the game was multiplayer onry.
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HaibaneRenmei wrote:
30 bucks is almost free

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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#43 May 17 2012 at 3:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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I have to connect and login to Origin or Steam to play games I've downloaded from them.


Small side note, but in case you want to change that there's a preference you can select to enable offline play via Steam.
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#44 May 17 2012 at 5:29 PM Rating: Decent
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So lets all party up in Diablo 3 and give me all the loot.... deal ?
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#45 May 17 2012 at 5:46 PM Rating: Default
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Ostia wrote:
So lets all party up in Diablo 3 and give me all the loot.... deal ?


Too busy playing TERA. So frustrating. Those **** Elins... How the **** am I supposed to bust a thick rope of hot, white magic across their foreheads when their boxes are so small? /fume
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Rinsui wrote:
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HaibaneRenmei wrote:
30 bucks is almost free

cocodojo wrote:
Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#46 May 17 2012 at 7:14 PM Rating: Good
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XIV is tainted from it's launch. I guarantee you that most players who had issues with D3 will have forgotten them within a few days.


That statement is a load of lies: as far as I can recall, D3 had no issues at launch. On another note, I have been extremely excited since I found out that I could offhand a book! It's like my dream aesthetic - a cute little book!

Sarcasm on the internet is a dangerous business, but I aim for it nonetheless... >_<
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#47 May 17 2012 at 7:18 PM Rating: Decent
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So lets all party up in Diablo 3 and give me all the loot.... deal ?


Too busy playing TERA. So frustrating. Those **** Elins... How the **** am I supposed to bust a thick rope of hot, white magic across their foreheads when their boxes are so small? /fume


I... wow. Rare is the time I'm at a loss for words. I'm not sure whether to be impressed by the syntax or horrified at the implication.
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I am level 52 Witch Doctor and have only had minor issues so far in the first few days. Sorry for the people who have had trouble!

Anyone calling this a terrible launch is very silly.The game is AMAZING!
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
Ostia wrote:
So lets all party up in Diablo 3 and give me all the loot.... deal ?


Too busy playing TERA. So frustrating. Those **** Elins... How the **** am I supposed to bust a thick rope of hot, white magic across their foreheads when their boxes are so small? /fume


Ah i stopped playing TERA for Diablo. I'm lvl 29 warrior on TERA.
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If Diablo 3 is the lie... then this renews my hope for getting some cake. Smiley: nod
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
You do realize that you don't have to play online with other people if you don't want to, don't you? You could play the game all by yourself if you wanted to. Why sadface?[


Um you have to play online. Yes I can turn my online status to invisible, but I still see very time my friends get and achievement or level up. I some what don't mind that, except I deploy alot. Guess what's not reliable (if it's even available) in the current area of operation... INTERNET

We had a blast linking up PCs with D2 during downtime, nothing better than beating the crap out of a horde after a long days work in the sun.... not gonna happen with D3.


I agree that it sucks to have to be connected, but that's the nature of a lot of games these days. I feel your pain though. I have to connect and login to Origin or Steam to play games I've downloaded from them. Sorry, from what you said it sounded like you thought the game was multiplayer onry.


Even Origin games can be played offline, duh.
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