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#1 Jun 05 2012 at 11:15 AM Rating: Decent
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I am building a new PC as my old one is starting to lag behind.. not only is it 4.5 years old but it's a factory DELL. Any way this is what i am planing on, and i could not fight the thread about this... any way the build. If I am missing something feel free to add, or if you think i need to change something.

Cooler Master Elite 311 Case, Black/Blue w/ Window
$49.99
Intel Core™ i7-3820 Processor, 3.60GHz w/ 10MB Cache
$299.99
Asus Rampage IV Extreme w/ DDR3 1866, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit Lan, PCI-E, 4-way CrossFireX / SLI
$439.99
Corsair ValueSelect 8GB DDR3 1333MHz CL9 DIMM
$59.99
Corsair Force Series GT SATA III Solid State Drive, 240GB
$279.99
Seagate 1TB Barracuda 7200.12 SATA II w/ 32MB Cache
$89.99
Asus BC-12B1ST 12x Blu-ray Combo Drive, SATA, OEM
$69.99
eVGA GeForce GTX 560 SuperClocked 2GB PCI-E w/ Dual DVI, mini-HDMI
$244.99
Antec EarthWatts EA 650W Power Supply Green
$84.99
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#2 Jun 05 2012 at 11:21 AM Rating: Decent
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TwiddleDee wrote:
I am building a new PC as my old one is starting to lag behind.. not only is it 4.5 years old but it's a factory DELL. Any way this is what i am planing on, and i could not fight the thread about this... any way the build. If I am missing something feel free to add, or if you think i need to change something.

Intel Core™ i7-3820 Processor, 3.60GHz w/ 10MB Cache
$299.99
Asus Rampage IV Extreme w/ DDR3 1866, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit Lan, PCI-E, 4-way CrossFireX / SLI
$439.99
eVGA GeForce GTX 560 SuperClocked 2GB PCI-E w/ Dual DVI, mini-HDMI
$244.99

Why such an expensive MB and processor but fairly unimpressive (well, relatively--it's more than I paid) video card?
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#3 Jun 05 2012 at 11:23 AM Rating: Decent
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I'll be using x2 video card's... i have same one in my PC at the moment.
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#4 Jun 05 2012 at 12:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Now Twiddle can do this all day, every day, no problem.... or Twiddle could look in a newspaper under the classified section and you can get you what's known as a Playstation 3. Now it's not gonna be new, but it'll prolly come wit like 20 games that other people already opened and played to make sure it's fun.

Then you got like $1400 left over so you can go all across the country stopping ice cream trucks. Buy 6 piece nuggets, don't eat 6 eat 3, throw the other 3 out the window; you don't give a **** cuz you got money like that!

Make a pimp decision...
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#5 Jun 05 2012 at 1:28 PM Rating: Good
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
Now Twiddle can do this all day, every day, no problem.... or Twiddle could look in a newspaper under the classified section and you can get you what's known as a Playstation 3. Now it's not gonna be new, but it'll prolly come wit like 20 games that other people already opened and played to make sure it's fun.

Then you got like $1400 left over so you can go all across the country stopping ice cream trucks. Buy 6 piece nuggets, don't eat 6 eat 3, throw the other 3 out the window; you don't give a @#%^ cuz you got money like that!

Make a pimp decision...


What? I'm not made from money, but i long ago learned that spending a little more on somethings generally means you'll not be replacing it in a week. With that in mine how does you commend help me decide if what i have picked out is good, or bad, or is there better for less.
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#6 Jun 05 2012 at 2:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Making a pimp decision means saving yourself the 1400 bucks you were going to blow on a PC that will run XIV on medium settings and instead buying a PS3(you might already have one) and waiting til 2.0 comes out. What you spend your money on is your prerogative, but you're tossing money away on expensive components that don't increase your performance in XIV.

You don't need an SSD unless you rage quit before you get to the Windows welcome screen or you like to epeen your windows index score. That's nearly 300 bucks you could save or apply to another component. My suggestion, get an x80(substitute a 4 or 5 for the x) GPU and run the game at higher settings.

You say you aren't made of money, yet you're willing to spend way more than you have to and get less performance than you should. What specifically is it that you like about that 450 dollar mobo? Why do you need any of the features that make it so expensive? These are the questions you need to be asking yourself before you invest a metric **** ton of money into a PC for a game that should run fine on a 200 dollar Playstation 3. Nothing on that motherboard will make it outperform something you could get for 1/3 the price.

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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#7 Jun 05 2012 at 3:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Well if I do this:
Asus Rampage IV Gene w/ DDR3 1866, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit Lan, CrossFireX / SLI
$289.99
Corsair Force Series GT SATA III Solid State Drive, 120GB
$159.99
eVGA GeForce GTX 670 SuperClocked 4GB PCI-E w/ Backplate, Dual DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort
$499.99

Final cost doesn't change, an i can live with it...
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#8 Jun 06 2012 at 2:09 AM Rating: Decent
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You do not need an SSD. You will gain no benefit in gaming from an SSD. All an SSD will do for you is decrease the already short time you spend waiting for your computer to boot to windows desktop.

I'm assuming that you don't have any reasons for all the features listed on these mobos so I'll also assume you need basic functionality. A good mobo with what you need is only ~$150.

Still, I think you should stick with what you have until 2.0 comes out because judging by the pics it will be PS3 limited anyway. You can afford an x80 if you cut out all the bs in your build, but it's looking like it won't make much difference anyway.
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30 bucks is almost free

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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#9 Jun 06 2012 at 2:36 AM Rating: Decent
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$289 still seems like a lot for a motherboard and $500 for a graphics card is overkill for XIV.
#10 Jun 06 2012 at 3:56 AM Rating: Good
now call me crazy, but I dont see where he says he needs something to specificly run FFXIV/2.0. looks to me like he is just looking for a new rig that will last a good while. I get that these are the FFXIV forums but maybe he just appreciates the opinion of the people he talks to so often....

so maybe some of us can pretend to be something other than miserable snobs?

make a pimp decision.

Edited, Jun 6th 2012 5:56am by theSubligaravenger
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#11 Jun 06 2012 at 4:08 AM Rating: Decent
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so maybe some of us can pretend to be something other than miserable snobs?


Sorry, what?

The most cost effective way of keeping up with technology is to buy high-mid range components. A $600 GPU might run games at high settings for the next 5 years, whereas a $400 one might do for 4. That's $120 per year vs $100 per year in that example. Going too high end isn't really going to improve one's experience and it's just going to end up costing more in the long run. In the extreme case, people who spend $2000+ on desktops really are silly.

I think $160 for a 120GB SSD is a good idea though for general computing. A $500 GPU might not be so bad if OP wants to play lots of other high end games but I think you could get away with a $300-$400 one and still future proof cost effectively. The motherboard is a waste of money though, just buy the cheapest one from a reputable brand that has the features you need. I don't see how there's ever a need for SLI to be honest (usually in several years it will better to just buy a more up to date card than get another of the same several year old one), but get an 2x SLI-capable one if you really want.

My PC was under $1000 3-4 years ago and still plays recent games quite well. Well, other than FFXIV 1.0, but that runs badly on anyone's PC... Granted, I don't play a lot of these computationally demanding FPS titles.

Edited, Jun 6th 2012 6:43am by Dizmo
#12 Jun 06 2012 at 4:35 AM Rating: Decent
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theSubligaravenger wrote:
now call me crazy, but I dont see where he says he needs something to specificly run FFXIV/2.0. looks to me like he is just looking for a new rig that will last a good while. I get that these are the FFXIV forums but maybe he just appreciates the opinion of the people he talks to so often....

so maybe some of us can pretend to be something other than miserable snobs?

make a pimp decision.


People don't generally post for advice with a build for a computer in forums for games unless the purpose is to build a PC focused on running that game. You could be crazy, but if you aren't taking this into consideration then you're just ignorant. If you'd read my posts here or in any of the scores of other 'Help me build a PC(for XIV)' threads you'd see that I asked him what he plans to use it for. I don't make suggestions based on my own personal opinion, I make them based on the needs of the person and what they will be using the PC for.

You don't ask people you talk to often about advice for something they know nothing about just because you enjoy their company. If I were a snob I'd laugh at his build and suggest something way out of his range. Instead, I've suggested he save himself the trouble and get something, something he may very well already have, that will be capable of the same performance minus displaying a few extra characters on screen.

A pimp decision(I'll assume you don't know what the **** I'm talking about since you're out of context) is a decision that leads to the best result. In this case, it would have been keeping your opinion about me to yourself and at least attempting to offer a suggestion. Thanks for playing.

Edited, Jun 6th 2012 6:36am by FilthMcNasty
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HaibaneRenmei wrote:
30 bucks is almost free

cocodojo wrote:
Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#13 Jun 06 2012 at 4:53 AM Rating: Good
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
You do not need an SSD. You will gain no benefit in gaming from an SSD. All an SSD will do for you is decrease the already short time you spend waiting for your computer to boot to windows desktop.

I'm assuming that you don't have any reasons for all the features listed on these mobos so I'll also assume you need basic functionality. A good mobo with what you need is only ~$150.

Still, I think you should stick with what you have until 2.0 comes out because judging by the pics it will be PS3 limited anyway. You can afford an x80 if you cut out all the bs in your build, but it's looking like it won't make much difference anyway.


You do need an SSD. After you've sorted your CPU/GPU, it is the single best improvement you could make. Every action is faster - not just booting to the desktop. In FFXIV, it will not increase FPS, but it will shorten those 'Now Loading' sequences noticeably - which can add up as you travel around Eorzea. I've had a lot of people comment on how after we teleport somewhere, I'm always the first one to arrive and I'm already a fair distance ahead on my Choco :D That is my SSD doing its job.

I agree with some of the above posters. You don't need a $400 motherboard and I would invest in a single GPU. If you had a 560ti it would be a different story, but 2x560s are not going to beat a 680gtx. I would go with that instead and SLI sometime in the future if you need to. Other than that I would switch to 1600 RAM and get a Corsair 850+ power supply. 650 not going to cut it.
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#14 Jun 06 2012 at 5:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Agree with Rikku about the SDD, though I think 650w is more than enough for any single card system. Anything above that is more for SLI builds really.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-680-review-benchmark,3161-18.html

Edited, Jun 6th 2012 7:05am by Dizmo
#15 Jun 06 2012 at 5:05 AM Rating: Decent
your whole "pimp decision" here was orbited around twiddle wanting a new rig to run FFXIV, you never asked him in this thread what his intention was so what were you basing it off of? you just assumed, wich is ok... but the whole pimp decision rant was completely unneeded.

feel free to help him with any bad spec choices he may be making, but dont try to hide that you assumed he only wanted a new rig for FFXIV.



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#16 Jun 06 2012 at 5:28 AM Rating: Decent
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rikkuotaku wrote:
FilthMcNasty wrote:
You do not need an SSD. You will gain no benefit in gaming from an SSD. All an SSD will do for you is decrease the already short time you spend waiting for your computer to boot to windows desktop.


You do need an SSD. After you've sorted your CPU/GPU, it is the single best improvement you could make.


It's the only other improvement you could make really, but it isn't worth a $300 price tag to shorten an already fairly short loading screen in my opinion. You pretty much set me up with this...
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I've had a lot of people comment on how after we teleport somewhere, I'm always the first one to arrive and I'm already a fair distance ahead on my Choco :D That is my SSD doing its job.

Yes, that is indeed your SSD doing it's job. The problem is that after your SSD does it's job and you get to camp before everyone else, you sit there waiting on them to arrive anyway. The same thing happens in other games. You could load the levels in BF2 or BF3 faster, but it just means you see a higher countdown until the level actually starts. It works when you're the only one waiting on loading, but otherwise you're restricted anyway.

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your whole "pimp decision" here was orbited around twiddle wanting a new rig to run FFXIV, you never asked him in this thread what his intention was so what were you basing it off of?


No. Watch this. Now go back and read the first post I made. Nod your head.

I never asked him what the intent was? Really...?
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What specifically is it that you like about that 450 dollar mobo? Why do you need any of the features that make it so expensive? These are the questions you need to be asking yourself before you invest a metric sh*t ton of money into a PC for a game that should run fine on a 200 dollar Playstation 3.

After reading this(again unless you just didn't comprehend it the first time I posted it) do you now understand that I asked him to figure out himself what he needed a $1700 rig to do and point out that it's excessive to play XIV? Notice how in the following post he doesn't say anything about what he needs from a mobo and doesn't deny that the rig is being built for XIV? The rest of us already knew that. Perhaps you should buy an SSD so you can keep up with us.

I still don't see any suggestions from you. Just more ignorance. Do yourself a favor and stop now or actually contribute something to the thread.
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Rinsui wrote:
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HaibaneRenmei wrote:
30 bucks is almost free

cocodojo wrote:
Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#17 Jun 06 2012 at 6:03 AM Rating: Decent
I probably should have used quotes from the start..

I didnt have any issue with the actual feedback you gave him. that was fine.


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Now Twiddle can do this all day, every day, no problem.... or Twiddle could look in a newspaper under the classified section and you can get you what's known as a Playstation 3. Now it's not gonna be new, but it'll prolly come wit like 20 games that other people already opened and played to make sure it's fun.

Then you got like $1400 left over so you can go all across the country stopping ice cream trucks. Buy 6 piece nuggets, don't eat 6 eat 3, throw the other 3 out the window; you don't give a @#%^ cuz you got money like that!

Make a pimp decision...


Had I used quotes you would have known I was refering to this post, not the semi helpfull one. so hey thats my fault. But in this post you sure do assume its for FFXIV as you aim for the PS3 purchase, so no you never asked him before you started with the crap.

I get that alot of people come here for build questions regarding FFXIV, but twiddle has been around for a minute, so maybe he assumed from previous posts like the ones you mention about builds that you guys know what you're talking about. and against what you said, you guys actually do know what you're talking about. this is all an assumption here, but you know better than anyone that thats ok!

you say you asked intent but only well into your second post and after you said:

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Making a pimp decision means saving yourself the 1400 bucks you were going to blow on a PC that will run XIV on medium settings and instead buying a PS3(you might already have one) and waiting til 2.0 comes out. What you spend your money on is your prerogative, but you're tossing money away on expensive components that don't increase your performance in XIV.


so again alot of assumption before you actually started to be of any use.

so to add some amount of opinion to the actualy thread..

Twiddle, cut a few hundred off the MOBO price and either save the cash or put it towards a better single GPU setup, or even just use the saving to justify the SSD pricetag. the system overall looks solid not only for FFXIV in its current state, but current PC gaming in general.
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#18 Jun 06 2012 at 6:59 AM Rating: Decent
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theSubligaravenger wrote:
FilthMcNasty wrote:
Making a pimp decision means saving yourself the 1400 bucks you were going to blow on a PC that will run XIV on medium settings and instead buying a PS3(you might already have one) and waiting til 2.0 comes out. What you spend your money on is your prerogative, but you're tossing money away on expensive components that don't increase your performance in XIV.


so again alot of assumption before you actually started to be of any use.


It wasn't based on assumption. Pimp decision is a universal concept. It applies to building a PC. It applies to buying a console. It applies to a pair of ******* Pokemon shoes. The only thing I assumed, correctly I might add, is that he is going to be spending money on something without actually considering why he needs it, only that he want's something most would consider excessive.

It's ironic to me that you spent the majority of your time and energy here pointing out that I made an assumption, a logical assumption that myself and others made; yet you turn around and make a nearly identical suggestion based on the same assumption. That's ******* rich. Well done.
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Only hips + boobs all day and hips + boobs all over my icecream

HaibaneRenmei wrote:
30 bucks is almost free

cocodojo wrote:
Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#19 Jun 06 2012 at 8:42 AM Rating: Decent
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Erm sorry about that, i knew i was missing something... yes this is a rig i plan to use for anything an everything from photo shop, to gaming.. As well as entertainment, AutoCAD, and so on... There's no point in making a ffxiv only rig, so am going for something that will not need any major updates for a few years... While yes i know it will be for ps3, for the most part i am a PC gamer, and not a fan for consoles.

Edited, Jun 6th 2012 10:44am by TwiddleDee
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#20 Jun 06 2012 at 10:02 AM Rating: Decent
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TwiddleDee wrote:
Erm sorry about that, i knew i was missing something... yes this is a rig i plan to use for anything an everything from photo shop, to gaming.. As well as entertainment, AutoCAD, and so on... There's no point in making a ffxiv only rig, so am going for something that will not need any major updates for a few years... While yes i know it will be for ps3, for the most part i am a PC gamer, and not a fan for consoles.


Future-proof multi-purpose gaming rig. Pretty much what everyone expected this post was about.

CPU: The 2500 or 2600 are good enough to last you a good long while, they're cheaper and they use the older socket which will keep your mobo costs down. I'd suggest you look at getting one of these instead of the newer 2011 socket chips. Lower power consumption, cheaper, blah blah

GPU: nVidia x80(x2) is what I use and they run everything I can throw at them on max settings in high resolutions and in 3D when I'm feeling sassy. The money you could save going with a 2500-k, a reasonable mobo and just the normal HD will put you in range for a pair of these. Do you want high performance graphics? Are you ever planning on running 3D surround?

Mobo: If you decide to run the 2500/2600 then get this. It's a great board with SLI capability and pretty much everything else you'd want for your needs. You guys must think I work for this company as much as I endorse their products and to be honest, I wish I did, but you can't beat the price, quality, warranty or support. It's a third of the cost of the original mobo you were looking at.

If you go with the 3820 then you're stuck with the new socket type which will cost you a premium. There probably aren't any mobos you can get short of $250 with this socket and most of the better ones are upward of $300. Given what you're using this PC for I can't really suggest it.


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HaibaneRenmei wrote:
30 bucks is almost free

cocodojo wrote:
Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
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