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#1 Jun 08 2012 at 4:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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It has some grammar issues here and there, and it's not to be taken as a literal word-for-word translation, apparently, but it does offer insight into how the beta phase of 2.0 is going to work out.

TL;DR: The 2.0 beta won't be concurrent with the current version. FFXIV will be taken down for awhile, and when it comes back up, everyone will be in beta.

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GE: Speaking of Beta, will there be downtime between current game and 2.0?

Yoshida: What’s going to happen is that after the current version is finished and storyline over, the servers will go down and the 2.0 beta will start up. We want to make sure we don’t make the same mistake as before, and want to be sure we have enough time not only for the beta test but also to get feedback from the players and leave enough time to implement that feedback. Also, keep in mind that transferring the characters to the new servers and systems could take up to a month. So that process will be running while the beta test is in place. There can’t be a launch immediately after the current servers are shut down.

GE: So the beta test and current game will not be operating simultaneously?

Yoshida: No. Because we need the time to convert the data from the current version to the new version, we can’t have people keep playing because they will keep updating their data. That doesn’t mean we are not going to work hard to make sure the servers aren’t down for a long time. We know that the community is there and want to maintain that community.

GE: How much downtime do you expect between the end of the beta test and the launch 2.0?

Yoshida: It won’t be anything like the next day, but we hope to have it be as short as possible. We need enough time to make sure everything is right and start it smoothly.

GE: Do you have any ideas yet on how will people get into beta?

Yoshida: We decided not to tie it directly to the legacy campaign, but we want to prioritize getting the current players that are playing now into beta.


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Interesting. While characters are being transferred over and we're in beta phase, will we all have temporary characters?
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TL;DR: The 2.0 beta won't be concurrent with the current version. FFXIV will be taken down for awhile, and when it comes back up, everyone will be in beta...

Yoshida: We decided not to tie it directly to the legacy campaign, but we want to prioritize getting the current players that are playing now into beta.


Everyone is in beta or only some of the current players? This doesn't seem like a good decision to me. I'd think they would want a mix of old and new players as well as those who left and may come back. It would also be in their interest to get feedback from people based on their PC specs.
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Interesting. While characters are being transferred over and we're in beta phase, will we all have temporary characters?


Is it possible the game will go dark during the transfer????
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Not sure how people are confused... game will go dark during transition, it could take a week or longer, priorities to the current subscribers chars transfering over... all current players into beta, some form of getting non-current players into beta shortly after or whatever schedule TBD. As long as they don't charge for a month to those paying subs, sounds simple enough to me.
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From what I understand, "current players" should be those who are paying up to the "stunning conclusion" of the 1.x version of FFXIV (and note, it has nothing to do with the Legacy Campaign, so that's not how you get beta priority). After that, the 1.x servers will be taken down forever, and preparations will start to convert to 2.0 operation. This may take a few days.

When the servers come back up, those who were paying up to the end will get priority to get into the 2.0 closed beta using new characters. Everyone's 1.x characters won't be playable until after the 2.0 beta when the game officially releases because they want the 1.x character data to remain static, not updated during the beta. The character transfer process will take about a month to complete, so the beta period from the end of 1.x to release should at least be a month or longer depending on feedback, issues, etc.
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Perrin, ****** Superhero wrote:
Not sure how people are confused...

It's confusing because it isn't clear. They don't mention waves at all, but can we assume that's how it'll happen because they have to prioritize? Does it mean not everyone will get in, but the majority of those that do will be current players? It's not clear.
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Perrin, ****** Superhero wrote:
Not sure how people are confused...

It's confusing because it isn't clear. They don't mention waves at all, but can we assume that's how it'll happen because they have to prioritize? Does it mean not everyone will get in, but the majority of those that do will be current players? It's not clear.


I imagine it will work the same as server merger, almost everyone active made it same day... folks resubbing didn't all get in on day 1
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Xoie wrote:
When the servers come back up, those who were paying up to the end will get priority to get into the 2.0 closed beta using new characters. Everyone's 1.x characters won't be playable until after the 2.0 beta when the game officially releases because they want the 1.x character data to remain static, not updated during the beta. The character transfer process will take about a month to complete, so the beta period from the end of 1.x to release should at least be a month or longer depending on feedback, issues, etc.


New characters doesn't make too much sense, it would just force everyone to test lowbie content only. It also does not test their import process.
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Xoie wrote:
When the servers come back up, those who were paying up to the end will get priority to get into the 2.0 closed beta using new characters. Everyone's 1.x characters won't be playable until after the 2.0 beta when the game officially releases because they want the 1.x character data to remain static, not updated during the beta. The character transfer process will take about a month to complete, so the beta period from the end of 1.x to release should at least be a month or longer depending on feedback, issues, etc.

I don't think there will be new characters. It looks like they are kicking everyone out while they transition because they want to keep their characters static. Once they have been moved to the 2.0 beta they would be available again.

In fairness, I didn't read the linked article so it may say something else completely but just from the quoted Q&A I don't think there will be new temporary characters.
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Xoie wrote:
When the servers come back up, those who were paying up to the end will get priority to get into the 2.0 closed beta using new characters. Everyone's 1.x characters won't be playable until after the 2.0 beta when the game officially releases because they want the 1.x character data to remain static, not updated during the beta. The character transfer process will take about a month to complete, so the beta period from the end of 1.x to release should at least be a month or longer depending on feedback, issues, etc.

I don't think there will be new characters. It looks like they are kicking everyone out while they transition because they want to keep their characters static. Once they have been moved to the 2.0 beta they would be available again.

In fairness, I didn't read the linked article so it may say something else completely but just from the quoted Q&A I don't think there will be new temporary characters.


It's not explicitly stated but based on his assertion that 1.0 data can't be transferred quickly over to 2.0 they wouldn't be able to give us our current characters at the same time blocking the data being updated. Just wouldn't work. With that in mind I think we all will start fresh for the alpha/beta; only then once beta is complete they give us our moved/unlocked characters and we play from there.

I could be wrong though ^^:

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MrTalos wrote:
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When the servers come back up, those who were paying up to the end will get priority to get into the 2.0 closed beta using new characters. Everyone's 1.x characters won't be playable until after the 2.0 beta when the game officially releases because they want the 1.x character data to remain static, not updated during the beta. The character transfer process will take about a month to complete, so the beta period from the end of 1.x to release should at least be a month or longer depending on feedback, issues, etc.

I don't think there will be new characters. It looks like they are kicking everyone out while they transition because they want to keep their characters static. Once they have been moved to the 2.0 beta they would be available again.

In fairness, I didn't read the linked article so it may say something else completely but just from the quoted Q&A I don't think there will be new temporary characters.


From the end of Yoshida's first quoted paragraph:

"Also, keep in mind that transferring the characters to the new servers and systems could take up to a month. So that process will be running while the beta test is in place. There can’t be a launch immediately after the current servers are shut down. "

It sounds like he's going to run the beta test while the character transfer process is occurring, not keeping everything off for a month. Also, keep in mind 2.0 is focused on new players to the PS3, and the bulk of the things that need testing are going to be the low level content more than anything. It only makes sense that fresh characters are encouraged to help this process. Besides, even the veteran players may need a few tips on how the 2.0 changes will affect them.

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Patch day for 2.0 is going to suck. Has any other game done anything of this scale before in a single patch?

I'm also wondering about the summon system. My first thoughts were "how is the community going to exploit this?" It just seems ripe for griefing. The way it's described it sounds cool though. I can see it being used in PVP a lot.

There's a lot to look forward to and I'm excited to see the upcoming changes. It really will be like a whole new game.
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Patch day for 2.0 is going to suck. Has any other game done anything of this scale before in a single patch?

I'm also wondering about the summon system. My first thoughts were "how is the community going to exploit this?" It just seems ripe for griefing. The way it's described it sounds cool though. I can see it being used in PVP a lot.

There's a lot to look forward to and I'm excited to see the upcoming changes. It really will be like a whole new game.


GuildWars2 had a 3GB beta download on Friday. I was downloading at 2.5mb/second :) So was my wife on her PC. Not sure on the patch servers for SE but I wish they operated like that. GW2 also has a few hundred thousand people playing the beta... if that's any indication.
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This is like the 3rd time I have done my post.. Are all the current players being moved over to the beta or only ones who want to go? I kind of get the feeling it's all so that's why I have to wonder if they would stick people with new characters (even temporarily) without specifically saying.

They said it would take a while to do all the character/data to 2.0 but what about just current players? Could that be something like a week or so? Would they keep the game down that long? I don't know.

I agree that it could be a good idea to have everyone start from scratch in the beta for testing purposes but still think it would be odd to just have everyone start over for a while.
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This is like the 3rd time I have done my post.. Are all the current players being moved over to the beta or only ones who want to go? I kind of get the feeling it's all so that's why I have to wonder if they would stick people with new characters (even temporarily) without specifically saying.

They said it would take a while to do all the character/data to 2.0 but what about just current players? Could that be something like a week or so? Would they keep the game down that long? I don't know.

I agree that it could be a good idea to have everyone start from scratch in the beta for testing purposes but still think it would be odd to just have everyone start over for a while.


All current active/inactive players will be temporarily turned off, unusable, can't login and use, can't see for the duration of the beta. So you will have to use a temporary one.

Who has access to the beta?
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We decided not to tie it directly to the legacy campaign, but we want to prioritize getting the current players that are playing now into beta.

Answer: No guarantee ALL will get in, but if you're paying you have priority to get first crack at it.

It's not odd at all that we have to start over. What happens if you get nice drops in 2.0 on your 1.0 account? The databases are different from 1.0 to 2.0 so that drop you get in 2.0's servers wouldn't exist. They would've needed to complete the data transfer first before you play which could take about a month to get all people done.

Do you want to be twiddling your thumbs for a month or playing 2.0 on a new temporary character?

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It's not odd at all that we have to start over. What happens if you get nice drops in 2.0 on your 1.0 account? The databases are different from 1.0 to 2.0 so that drop you get in 2.0's servers wouldn't exist. They would've needed to complete the data transfer first before you play which could take about a month to get all people done.

How long would it take for the accounts that are currently active? How long would the beta last? A month? 2? What happens at the end of that period? Wiped like other betas? What if someone doesn't want to start a new character? They just go play something else for the month while their character is moved?

I just find it all very vague and presumptuous to think someone wants to start from scratch for a month or two. I guess I just have to wait until there are more details.
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Who will be in 2.0 beta? Only time will tell, but can safely say that considering so few active players are around. That if you are in now you will more then likely get a seat in the beta. Though am sure more detailed criteria will be used. As for a what will happen, that was clear cut imo. But no one except Youshi can give you the answer you want, so wait and see until such a time that info in available. No point in heating up the oil, and getting a plate ready, if the fish is still in the ocean.

@MrTalos well Beta may last one or two month's respectively, however characters may or may not be wiped. It would be no stretch of the imagination to see SE letting people keep there beta character if they so choose. However i agree with you that it's best to wait until more info out.

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They need to "prioritize" who gets into the beta? They should be so lucky!
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With the work that they have done with the FFXI test servers, it wouldn't surprise me if they dump something in that would allow you to select certain classes/gear in teh Beta (at least at some stage) so that all areas of the Beta can be explored (by new players and vets alike). Barring that, I am sure that there are enough hardcore people in FFXIV that could easily grind to the upper tiers in under a week and take on the testing role up there. I hope that I can get into the beta (again) and play around a little... I really don't care if they stick me at level 1 with no other option... I'll be happy to grind away at as much as I can and push their boundaries :)
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MrTalos wrote:
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It's not odd at all that we have to start over. What happens if you get nice drops in 2.0 on your 1.0 account? The databases are different from 1.0 to 2.0 so that drop you get in 2.0's servers wouldn't exist. They would've needed to complete the data transfer first before you play which could take about a month to get all people done.

How long would it take for the accounts that are currently active? How long would the beta last? A month? 2? What happens at the end of that period? Wiped like other betas? What if someone doesn't want to start a new character? They just go play something else for the month while their character is moved?

I just find it all very vague and presumptuous to think someone wants to start from scratch for a month or two. I guess I just have to wait until there are more details.


It's not presumptuous. It's a technical fact. They need time to make sure all data is transferred to the new database schema properly.

As such you either play with a fresh temporary character on fresh servers with a fresh new game and give your honest feedback; or you don't play at all, don't submit suggestions and therefore can't complain about 2.0's final state since you didn't tell them a thing.
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It's not presumptuous. It's a technical fact. They need time to make sure all data is transferred to the new database schema properly.

It's still presumptuous of them. It presumes everyone playing would want to take a break from their current character(s). They could have said "Hey guys! We are opening up a beta server, we'd love it if you created new characters there and joined us" Then just have both running. Now when the time comes where they would want everyone to switch over to 2.0 because they are confident with it, then that's a different matter. That has to be done. They don't need to force everyone to beta test for them again.

It's all just my opinion which matters little to nothing in the greater scheme of things lol
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Elionara wrote:
It's not presumptuous. It's a technical fact. They need time to make sure all data is transferred to the new database schema properly.

It's still presumptuous of them. It presumes everyone playing would want to take a break from their current character(s). They could have said "Hey guys! We are opening up a beta server, we'd love it if you created new characters there and joined us" Then just have both running. Now when the time comes where they would want everyone to switch over to 2.0 because they are confident with it, then that's a different matter. That has to be done. They don't need to force everyone to beta test for them again.

It's all just my opinion which matters little to nothing in the greater scheme of things lol


Maybe you should read what Yoshi said. "They can't have people running around changing their character data by getting drops and also moving them over." They can't have both version up at the same time. >.>
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It's not odd at all that we have to start over. What happens if you get nice drops in 2.0 on your 1.0 account? The databases are different from 1.0 to 2.0 so that drop you get in 2.0's servers wouldn't exist. They would've needed to complete the data transfer first before you play which could take about a month to get all people done.

How long would it take for the accounts that are currently active? How long would the beta last? A month? 2? What happens at the end of that period? Wiped like other betas? What if someone doesn't want to start a new character? They just go play something else for the month while their character is moved?

I just find it all very vague and presumptuous to think someone wants to start from scratch for a month or two. I guess I just have to wait until there are more details.


It's not presumptuous. It's a technical fact. They need time to make sure all data is transferred to the new database schema properly.

As such you either play with a fresh temporary character on fresh servers with a fresh new game and give your honest feedback; or you don't play at all, don't submit suggestions and therefore can't complain about 2.0's final state since you didn't tell them a thing.


It's completely possible to play with your current character(at the time 1.0 goes offline) on the beta servers with everything you had intact. Anyone who has ever been on WoW PTR knows exactly how it works. For those who don't, it's quite simple:

Backups of character data are made constantly in case something should happen to the servers anyway. This data will be retained and the data kept until V2 goes live. At the same time, character data can be copied to the test servers for the 2.0 beta. Any and all progress, gear and items, ect. will be overwritten at the time V2 goes live. This also supports the statement they made about current players being given priority. If they have to restore all these characters on new servers when 2.0 goes live, why wouldn't they test to make sure there are no issues when they open beta testing?

I'm almost 1000% sure that the new servers will be tested mostly for stability and efficiency. The content you are able to access will likely be less than expected at launch(for those of you who keep having the 'miracle patch' dream) and for the most part you'll be stress testing and bug reporting.

inb4 Yoshi says "Server lag is due to server software monitoring."


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Maybe you should read what Yoshi said. "They can't have people running around changing their character data by getting drops and also moving them over." They can't have both version up at the same time. >.>

You can't have 1.0 running at the same time you are moving/coping characters to 2.0 because the data would be changing. That has little to impact on their ability to have a beta server running, where people would create new characters, running at the same time as the 1.0 servers.
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Maybe you should read what Yoshi said. "They can't have people running around changing their character data by getting drops and also moving them over." They can't have both version up at the same time. >.>

You can't have 1.0 running at the same time you are moving/coping characters to 2.0 because the data would be changing.


Yes you could. See above. You'd just have to explain that the character data is only saved up to a certain point. I'm not sure why in the **** anyone would want to play 1.0 at the same time they were testing 2.0, but it's not out of the realm of possibility... just doesn't make sense.




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Maybe you should read what Yoshi said. "They can't have people running around changing their character data by getting drops and also moving them over." They can't have both version up at the same time. >.>

You can't have 1.0 running at the same time you are moving/coping characters to 2.0 because the data would be changing.


Yes you could. See above. You'd just have to explain that the character data is only saved up to a certain point. I'm not sure why in the **** anyone would want to play 1.0 at the same time they were testing 2.0, but it's not out of the realm of possibility... just doesn't make sense.

I know some other game companies can but IDK about SE. lol I was just trying to explain what I thought Yoshi meant about the changing character data and why he was saying they couldn't have both up at the same time.
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I know some other game companies can but IDK about SE. lol I was just trying to explain what I thought Yoshi meant about the changing character data and why he was saying they couldn't have both up at the same time.


I understand. Just pointing out that if a game that carries millions of subscribers can do it, then a game that carries 10k subs should have no problem with it. They're either lazy or just don't care to.
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It has some grammar issues here and there, and it's not to be taken as a literal word-for-word translation, apparently, but it does offer insight into how the beta phase of 2.0 is going to work out.

TL;DR: The 2.0 beta won't be concurrent with the current version. FFXIV will be taken down for awhile, and when it comes back up, everyone will be in beta.

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I wonder if he realizes that he's cutting out the people that actually took a stand (quit) and facilitated this huge metamorphasis. I'm sure there are few enough current subscribers to easily accommodate them all and then some. Without those that quit, the beta will just perpetuate the same nonsense that is the current FFXIV.
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I wonder if he realizes that he's cutting out the people that actually took a stand (quit) and facilitated this huge metamorphasis. I'm sure there are few enough current subscribers to easily accommodate them all and then some. Without those that quit, the beta will just perpetuate the same nonsense that is the current FFXIV.


Yeah, I brought this up earlier. If SE could bring back 1 out of every 5 people who quit the game due to it's prior issues, they'd easily triple the population. I'm not sure why they wouldn't tap into that especially when you consider they're people who already purchased the game too, but I do understand I guess. Gotta be a nod to the people who stuck around and paid rather than ducked out with their funds intact Smiley: lol
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cocodojo wrote:
Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#31 Jun 12 2012 at 3:42 PM Rating: Decent
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SE Please do a reality check on yourself for the love of GOD!! You have around 20-30K players at max, every single other game released before or after yours, has had betas where hundreds of thousands of people where playing.... And you sit there and say "Well we are gonna give this 25K people priority" like you have millions of people lining up or something, I MEAN EVEN IF YOU HAVE 200K PLAYERS SINGING UP YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO HANDLE IT FFS!
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