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#52 Jun 15 2012 at 1:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Louiscool wrote:
Wait wait wait... You're giving potential new player advice and then i see:

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and a 43 marauder with a few 20ish classes in XIV. I'm not really one of the 90% who purchased and quit because I didn't actually pay for the game. I was given a pass, but I was in alpha testing back in April 2010 so I had a headstart :P


THIS is the experience that you are using to pool together your "knowledge" base?

Using your own words here..

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Just saying your perspective is a little skewed. You didn't cap so you never got to challenge the higher level instances or hardmodes.


Yes, that is the experience that makes up my knowledge base. I didn't give any advice on anything I didn't have experience with other than suggesting that jobs are similar to classes, which they are. The grouping experience, guildleve system, economy, PvP(or absence of), battle mechanics, or anything else that a new player might be interested in I do have experience with.

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I stopped playing XIV, but I'm sure other people on the forums will point out that it's hard to find a group for many things these days.
How would you even know this? Getting groups daily for every type of quest and mission.

It wasn't that long ago that SE started the payment model for this game Louis. I do remember what it was like trying to get a group. There are also many posts in these forums and others if you'd like me to quote. Everything from people shouting for an hour+ for normal group to shouting for weeks for 'endgame' encounters.

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I wouldn't recommend playing XIV just yet. It's not as good as nearly any other option you have for an MMO and isn't really expected to get that much better until early next year.
Speculative at best. Seeing as you didn't even play when they had auto attack.

You're grasping at air Lou. If you really want I'll upload and post a link to the video I made of how unimpressive the XIV battle system is.

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I'm not white knighting here, I'm just saying that you shouldn't speak with authority on subject you have no experience with, just because you read something on a forum. Listening to the vocal minority is never the way to go.

I don't really know what the term is for what you're doing here. An odd form of trolling maybe? You don't have to be capped in every job to offer advice on what Zoom asked for in the OP, nor what I offered up outside of that. I have experience in everything I spoke about. Did I go on and on about how many times I defeated Ifrit with ease? Did I point out the finer details of every classes imbalance at cap? No, I spoke within my knowledge.

You keep making statements or questioning me on the dumbest **** for no reason. Tangent about server transfers that isn't even in context. Swearing I have never used auto-attack for some reason when you don't have a clue. Demanding proof for things that have been talked about here and elsewhere for a while now. I made a vid of auto-attack for the lulz, but I'm not going to make an hour long video of myself trying to get a group going. For obvious reasons, I can't provide evidence. Also for obvious reasons, you shouldn't be stupid enough to ask for it.

Listening to the vocal majority of never the way to go eh? Then why is it that you're here as a representative of that making suggestions? You spent all that energy trying and failing to call me a hypocrite and then fell into the hole you dug yourself at the end? Well done.

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#53 Jun 15 2012 at 1:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Going to have to side with Louis on this one.

Your 43 Marauder isn't really representative of "battle mechanics" given that you don't have any of the supplemental abilities (or even played Warrior) to know how the class/jobs work.

So, you don't have any experience. You're just trashing battle mechanics you don't even know firsthand.
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#54 Jun 15 2012 at 2:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Battle mechanics ? What are this battle mechanics you speak off ? FFXIV WITH BATTLE MECHANICS ?? Oh you mean auto attack, spam keys ? got you got you, yeah you can do that at level 1 if i'm not mistaken thats all you do at level 1 and at 50.....

Seriously the difference from level 1-20-30-50 is none existent, you do the same thing you have been doing, click here auto attack, build tp, do a technique rince and repeat, you people make it sound like as soon as you hit 50, the game becomes tera or something
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Going to have to side with Louis on this one.

Your 43 Marauder isn't really representative of "battle mechanics" given that you don't have any of the supplemental abilities (or even played Warrior) to know how the class/jobs work.

So, you don't have any experience. You're just trashing battle mechanics you don't even know firsthand.


Please do explain the vast differences between marauder and warrior battle mechanics. What is it that makes one so vastly different that the other that disqualifies my statement about not appreciating auto-attack and fights not being engaging. I'm all ears.
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#56 Jun 15 2012 at 2:16 PM Rating: Good
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Battle mechanics ? What are this battle mechanics you speak off ? FFXIV WITH BATTLE MECHANICS ?? Oh you mean auto attack, spam keys ? got you got you, yeah you can do that at level 1 if i'm not mistaken thats all you do at level 1 and at 50.....

Seriously the difference from level 1-20-30-50 is none existent, you do the same thing you have been doing, click here auto attack, build tp, do a technique rince and repeat, you people make it sound like as soon as you hit 50, the game becomes tera or something


*smacks with a rolled up paper*

No, bad troll, go away! I'm not going to sit here and explain how many ways you're wrong.

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Please do explain the vast differences between marauder and warrior battle mechanics. What is it that makes one so vastly different that the other that disqualifies my statement about not appreciating auto-attack and fights not being engaging. I'm all ears.


Eyes. You're all eyes. Ear's don't work in this case unless you expect me to make a podcast, just for you, explaining how much of a dunce you are sometimes.

Edited, Jun 15th 2012 4:17pm by Hyrist
#57 Jun 15 2012 at 2:24 PM Rating: Good
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No, Filth.

Be honest please. If someone with your FFXIV experience would tell people that the game is awesome you would be the first one to ridicule his gametime and actual knowledge about the game. You would not take this person seriously and throw his inexperience in his face every single time you would get the chance.

And now look at you. Now if you would call someone who is playing FFXIV and actually telling people that he is liking it a white knight, how should we call someone who hasn't touched the game in ages but made it its main goal to criticize the game and the company behind it at any given opportunity?

How would YOU call such a person?

15 posts in a 52 posts thread in where you advice someone to wait a few months and claim that the battle system will bore him and that while you have only played the game in what must have been its worst condition more than a year ago. Shows people once more that you have strong opinions, but that you do not know ANYTHING about the game other than what you have read in other posts and your own assumptions.

Don't you feel any shame?
#58 Jun 15 2012 at 2:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Hyrist wrote:
Eyes. You're all eyes. Ear's don't work in this case unless you expect me to make a podcast, just for you, explaining how much of a dunce you are sometimes.


Is it as much effort as a personal video journal of all the experiences I had standing in Ul'dah shouting for a group for hours that Louis expects me to post as proof of my experience? You've got it way easier than I do.

All I want is an explanation of how in 43 levels of playing marauder through all 3 battle systems, I wouldn't have a clear understanding of battle mechanics. At least, not clear enough to understand how the warrior job works. What would change for me going from marauder to warrior that would make me a noob all over again?
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#59 Jun 15 2012 at 2:35 PM Rating: Good
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I'll answer it simply: Your entire environment changed.

Warrior solidified Marauder's position as a damage dealing tank above a regenerative tank. It spiked HP levels to indominable levels (where as before gear could help make up for the gap.) and for a while there, it was absolutely broken as a job.

Mechanic wise, you gained more hate and damage tools. Warrior specifically changed about the least from Murauder, except that the mechanics around it changed rather signifigantly. You gained an additional combo tier with Steel Cyclone, but most else are buffs.

The biggest difference is what happened around you. Even with your new tools, you can struggle for hate against your highest damage dealers. If I don't check my hate on Dragoon, I can, and will, rip hate from you. And that's Dragoon, imagine how hellish a Black Mage can be if they're not careful.

Which is a big thing now because Jobs are not as flexible as Classes. You have the solid fighter playstyle still, but your allies are far more fragile - and that influences the way you play.
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Hm. Sounds promising. I'll give it a try in 2.0. I hope you are right, and my impression that FF XIV still is miles behind in terms of engaging combat mechanics is actually wrong. I have no way to prove you wrong atm (since I'm not playing); I am just a little surprised that all those changes I've been reading about - which I never considered groud-breaking - cumulatively would actually lead to a much better experience. We will see. Until then, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Thanks for that sliver of hope!Smiley: smile

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#61 Jun 15 2012 at 3:16 PM Rating: Good
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That's the tip of the ice burg.

For physical damage dealers, positioning is king. If you're not in the right spot for your combos, you break them and your DPS takes a nose dive. That gets hectic as the monsters can be prone to moving around, especially bosses.

Mages have to both watch hate, and MP consumption while still pushing out as much as they can, though I'd say Black Mages have the easiest time of it currently, though from what I hear, the adjustments to Chimera has made it a bit harder for them there.

Archers > Bard have changed the dynamic on that class a good bit. Caused a bit of a ruckus, but I feel the Job functions well overall.

Then there's situational AoE's. Some are safer the closer you are, some are more specific like Garuda's AoEs. So you have so many things that can hamper your potential output or endanger your lives that yea, fights are pretty dynamic now. I still feel as if the mages aren't feeling enough 'danger' for their ease of positioning, but that's slowly changing (The Chimera change was nice).

Only standing complaints really surround around loot, and, honestly, the idea loot system for the game's health is still going to be something the players are going to complain about.

Edited, Jun 15th 2012 5:19pm by Hyrist
#62 Jun 15 2012 at 3:18 PM Rating: Good
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No, Filth.

Be honest please. If someone with your FFXIV experience would tell people that the game is awesome you would be the first one to ridicule his gametime and actual knowledge about the game.


No sir. I never ridiculed Zoom for anything other than holding XIV to a lower standard because he's a fan. In fact, he himself said he didn't have the experience. Go back and look at his posts. He says that he had trouble finding groups to clear content, he said that it was easy, he said the economy sucked and that there was no PvP. All of these things are present or missing respectively from XIV. If he'd come out at the beginning and said he was willing to overlook those issues to play a FF game because he was a fan it wouldn't have gone on nearly as long.

Don't believe me? Go look at the reply I left here.

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And now look at you. Now if you would call someone who is playing FFXIV and actually telling people that he is liking it a white knight, how should we call someone who hasn't touched the game in ages but made it its main goal to criticize the game and the company behind it at any given opportunity?


The only criticism I have of SE is warranted. They released a game in horrible shape with a lot of issues that keep most people who purchased the game from playing and enjoying it. I didn't call Zoom a white knight I called him a fanboy. Again, he came right out and said..
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You are absolutely right that my reasons cross over several MMO's but the difference is the presentation, story, combat mechanics, community, etc that can make a problem in Game A easily discarded in Game B.

He has no problem overlooking XIV even though it has the same issues as [insert any other MMO here] because he's a fan. Clear indication that he's not going to be objective. Beyond that point it doesn't matter. This could be summed up in a short conversation:

Zoom: Hey I'm interested in XIV. Does the billing system still suck? Is dragoon a lot different than lancer? People complain about the battle system, is it really that bad?

Filth: SE's billing always sucks. The core mechanics are pretty much the same. You've played Tera which gets rave reviews for the battle system, what didn't you like about that game?

Zoom: It wasn't challenging, the economy sucked, I had trouble finding groups and there was no PvP.

Filth: Sounds exactly like XIV so I'd have a hard time recommending it.

Zoom: I'm a FF fanboy so I'd overlook all the issues even if they're the same.

Filth: Try it out then, you'll love it.





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I'm wondering, Filth, what was your biggest gipe about Maruader before it became Warrior? It's nice to know what specific points people are hung up on rather than to keep this general feel of 'I don't like the game.' hanging in the air.

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Mechanic wise, you gained more hate and damage tools.


So different abilities? I mean, walking the enmity line is nothing new. We've been doing that since 2003. You're saying that warrior is essentially a marauder with higher health, higher damage capability, an additional combo tier(probably tied to higher DPS) and more tools for holding aggro. It honestly just sounds like a marauder on roids. I checked out several vids and although I can't see what everything is and does, it looks the same for the most part. It's not like the difference between evasion tanking and mitigation tanking.

I too will give you the benefit of the doubt though, but it'll have to wait til 2.0 before I do. Believe it or not I do want XIV to succeed and I know that if I come back now it's more likely that I'll never give it a fair shake next year.

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I'm wondering, Filth, what was your biggest gipe about Maruader before it became Warrior? It's nice to know what specific points people are hung up on rather than to keep this general feel of 'I don't like the game.' hanging in the air.


I didn't have a gripe about the job and I never played warrior so I can't make the comparison, but just how the battle system worked in general put me off. It's slow and not very engaging. I really don't like auto-attack and I see the current system limiting what they are actually able to do with encounters to make them challenging. It seems like SE created the solutions before they had a problem. It seems backwards to me and I fear they'll end up designing themselves into a corner similar to how they did in XI.

I'll give you an example of what I do like, rather than what I don't. Tera's lancer class for example which is the mitigation tank. Your main source of mitigation is your shield. You use mana(silly I know because it's not a magic shield, but this is set to change to something else more realistic like stamina soon) as a resource to mitigate damage and to use abilities. I'll just call it TP since it's a similar resource, but unlike the auto-attack mechanic from XIV where your TP builds from automated attacks, basic attacks in Tera aren't automated. You have to choose when to use it and it.

Your shield is rated to take a certain amount of damage before your animation for blocking 'breaks' and you're left with a cooldown from using it. There is also a cost for putting your shield up and as you take damage your TP will drain down until you've taken the max amount of damage your weapon is rated to take or you run out of TP. Lancers have to manage their TP like a mage in XIV manages their MP. The difference is that if you run out in XIV, you just have to take a breather. If you run out in Tera, you essentially don't have a shield to mitigate damage and end up being a drain on your healer. Not really a big deal on trash mobs or while you're leveling up, but bosses in instances will tear down a well geared tank in a matter of seconds. You might survive running out of TP, but it is almost a given that if you don't die it's because someone else took aggro because you didn't have the TP to maintain control and instead, they're taking the dirt nap.

You have to maintain a stacking debuff on the mob which requires regular attention. You have to position the mob so that your group can get behind it if possible to make the most of their damage, and you also have to be aware of where your ranged members are to avoid any sort of damage they might take from charges, leaping attacks, conal damage ect. You have to keep track of adds. You have to use your mobility to get around the battlefield.

On top of all that, you have to aim your abilities. There is no ability to automatically target mobs that are in range and there is no ability to lock on to targets. Well actually there is, but you have to aim your ability at the mob or group member with your crosshairs to highlight them first. You actually have to strafe and turn at the same time to keep faced up to the mob instead of keeping the mob focused regardless of which direction you move. There are AoE heals and damage spells and abilities, but there are also multi-target abilities that require you to mouseover the selected targets.

Imagine a heal or spell that can target up to 5 players or mobs that does less healing or damage the more targets you select. Obviously you want to be efficient so you will want to pick out the most damaged players to heal or the most dangerous mobs in a pack. You might be strafing away from danger, tapping your keybind to select the spell and then selectively try to mouse over several specific targets as you're moving. You also have to keep in mind that there is collision in Tera so you can't just walk through mobs. There are also certain abilities that interrupt or cancel other abilities that need to be mastered to get the most out of the situation.

As an example, I remember a situation I had a while back while running an instance. I was dangerously low on TP(because I was being a bad), the boss had just enraged and there was an add about to spawn. There was a mote to restore TP, but it was behind the boss about 15 yards away. I waited until just before the add spawned, rotated so that I had clear path to the mote, used shield bash which is a couple second stun(unreliable on bosses, but it does work) and charged at the mote. Again, because you have to aim your abilities, you can attack in any direction.

Anyway, due to the range on Charging Lunge I would have overshot the mote so as soon as I reached it I put up Stand Fast(shield block) which canceled the charge animation and stopped me right on top of the mote. I picked it up to restore TP, popped Challenging Shout(AoE provoke) to pick up the add as it spawned and got back to the boss just as it started to initiate it's next attack. It's not the most amazing thing you've ever heard of happening in an MMO, but the dynamic of being forced to manage your resources, being aware of your positioning and timing your abilities correctly really stand out to me in comparison. Stuff like this adds a dynamic I just don't see possible in XIV.

Sorry for carrying on so long about something people here clearly hate, but it's perspective and I thought it might be nice for you guys to hear something positive from me since I always hear about how filled with vitriol I am toward SE and FF. It's nothing personal.

tl;dr The combat system currently implemented in XIV doesn't leave me with the impression that encounters down the road will be engaging or dynamic, much less difficult. It's just an opinion.

Edited, Jun 15th 2012 7:21pm by FilthMcNasty

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#65 Jun 15 2012 at 4:10 PM Rating: Good
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well in any case. I just purchased the digital copy, downloading it now. Extremely random question. The download is going to take me.... 1.2 hours if that. Why is it that other downloads on the same computer/internet take me 3-4 hours. I dont think FFXIV is that much different in size to warrant half the time. Not sure what server i'll be starting on but if anyone wants to give me their server and toon name I'd gladly give that a shot.
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Marauder: Can use any cross-class ability, has decent HP/attack. Good for solo/small groups. No real reason to use in anything serious because it gets trashed in favor of other DDs and DD jobs. The good part of Marauder is that you get access to self-sustaining tools. Cure, Stoneskin, Protect, that kind of stuff.

Warrior: Can only use Pugilist/Gladiator cross class abilities. Gains access to Steel Cyclone (great for group mob tanking), severe HP spike, gains access to Vengeance, Antagonize, and Collusion, which are great hate keeping tools. (The latter
which was TOO good, had to be nerfed along with Steel Cyclone)

The argument was made that Warrior is like Marauder on steroids, I think that's the point. Consider Warrior a stance of Marauder, rather than an entirely different class. It even says Warrior (Marauder: Level xx) on the top.

It has been confirmed that classes will get additional jobs that branch off. Berserker? Beastmaster? Time will tell.

Edited, Jun 15th 2012 3:20pm by UltKnightGrover
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Zoom1223, if you start on Aegis, give me a tell. I'll help you get situated. Character information and LS in signature.
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You should offer to help me too grover <.< After all the grief you have given me on this boards :( :(
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I would, but I'd likely get annoyed from all the constant complaining.
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Oh i do not complain that Much!! My only major complains is the disparity between gear price and avaibility in the lower levels, and lack of party's from 1-30 That is It!

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If I had a list of your complaints, I could write a novel.
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You are such a pessimist Smiley: disappointed
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If you're having trouble with gear/price disparity, do Leves and buy from Auction. Market Wards

You can sustain yourself on Leves buying from your Class Guild, but they tend to take ALL of your money just for one upgrade, and the upgrades trickle in slow.

You can instead take the money from leves and find the same items or better cheap on on the Market Wards, which function much like an Auction House does from the Buyer's perspective.
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Yeah i already knew that, i used to play the game before, but starting from 0, even with the market wards, i spend all my money on just one upgrade, and by the time i get enough money for another one, i am already 10 levels above the item i was supposed to buy, and the according upgrade cost triple what the one before did <.< and i cannot even attempt to do leves at max stars, since there is no people to group with(Even tho there are they never answer any party invites or shouts) i cant get that extra gil, so i'm already a lvl 12 warrior, with lvl 1 gear, except 2 upgrades at lvl 3, and my next weapon a lvl 8 cost 12k gil, and i'm flat broke XD!

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The only criticism I have of SE is warranted. They released a game in horrible shape with a lot of issues that keep most people who purchased the game from playing and enjoying it.


Don't use your conversation with Zoom. Stay with the big picture. Look at what you are doing, or better, what you have been doing all along.

They released the game 20 months ago. You are complaining for 20 months now. You haven't played the game for a very long time and still you complain, still you bash the game and still you do not let any opportunity go by to criticize SE or express your doubts about any change SE announces. ANY! And all the time you have been stating that everything SE would do to fix the game would fail, including the change to 2.0. EVERYTHING.

Really, your criticism is not warranted anymore, not in any culture or any civilization. Your criticism is so old and so repetative that if - it wasn't for the fact that newcomers may actually see you as someone who has actually played the game through and through because, let's face it, you do come over like that cause for some reason you are still convinced that you know everything about the game - it has become hilarious. It's a textbook example of a character assasination. Lots of people who actually do play the game or have played the game a lot longer than you did have disagreed with you, but like normal human beings they know when to stop.

Actually, I bet lots of them stopped because they realized that they were dealing with someone on a mission, someone who refuse to be convinced (and cannot be convinced...cause.... he is not playing the game anymore!), someone who will make every effort in order to "win" a discussion, a person who just yells stuf and then demands that others have to prove him otherwise.

That's what you are and what you do, Filth. I was hoping TERA would pull you away from this forum, but no... you really put your teeth into the destruction of FFXIV,. Still number one on your To Do list because you haven't succeeded, right?

Ah... don't answer.
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
The only criticism I have of SE is warranted. They released a game in horrible shape with a lot of issues that keep most people who purchased the game from playing and enjoying it.


Don't use your conversation with Zoom. Stay with the big picture.


You're the one who took my discussion with Zoom out of context. It was never about gripes with XIV, it was about gripes with Tera. I do have a capped character in Tera, I have seen what is going on in it's economy, I know there isn't any structured PvP yet and I understand how long it takes to get a group to participate in various activities IN TERA. I have enough experience in XIV that I know that there is no PvP at all, I can make an informed judgement that it would be difficult for a new player jumping into the economy and I have had difficulty finding groups.

My experience in XIV doesn't qualify me to speak about Tera, my experience in Tera does. How is that not sinking in for you?

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They released the game 20 months ago. You are complaining for 20 months now. You haven't played the game for a very long time and still you complain, still you bash the game and still you do not let any opportunity go by to criticize SE or express your doubts about any change SE announces.


All of these accounts that create a "Does it not suck yet" thread on almost a daily basis are all my socks, created for the sole purpose of me being able to gloat and say "Nope, still sucks!". You've figured me out Missile, well played.

It's not up to you or anyone else here to convince me. Likewise, I won't try to convince people not to play XIV. You'd have a hard time finding a quote of me saying anything other than to wait for 2.0 to anyone who is curious about the game unless they're diehard fanboy and wouldn't care anyway. In those cases I always ask myself why they even bother to ask if they should play it. Clearly they'll devour anything SE feeds them so whats the worst that could happen? They won't like it, but they also won't want to feel left out or left behind so they'll suck it up and hope it gets better. That doesn't bother me.

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That's what you are and what you do, Filth. I was hoping TERA would pull you away from this forum, but no... you really put your teeth into the destruction of FFXIV


I tested XIV, but they disregarded nearly anything that was suggested to them at that point. I can't be held responsible for the failure of this game to become what the players want it to be, much less what I would have hoped it was.

Something you need to understand MrMissile.. criticism is something you do when you give a ****. If I didn't want XIV to be better, if I hated SE for whatever reason and wanted more than anything to see it fail I'd have kept my trap shut instead of speaking up. Perhaps the supreme court is right? If money is speech then the amount of money SE is not making spoke louder to them than any of their critics.

They're on the path, but it's a long road. I'll meet them in the middle, but honestly they're just barely coming up over the horizon. Forgive me if I don't jump up to assure everyone that they're going to make it when a new thread like this pops up every few days.




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thanks grover, currently im jumping through various hoops to get the game installed. Laptop doesnt have a disc drive so i bought digital download from square website. Got confirmation, told me to download steam, no idea why. Finally found the client download button on the store somewhere, download completed. Went to run the install and it gave me a thing which had to extract 8 files. From there it downloaded direct x version which restarted computer.... now i have to download windows vista service pack 2
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well i dont know if ill be able to play. Might have just wasted 15$. My computer isnt installing windows vista service pack 2
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well i dont know if ill be able to play. Might have just wasted 15$. My computer isnt installing windows vista service pack 2


Try again if you haven't already and then backup your files and try a fresh install. This is an issue that a lot of folks ran into trying to install.
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Try to download the update from the windows updater, it should install.
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#81 Jun 15 2012 at 6:18 PM Rating: Decent
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You can also attempt it from the windows update website.
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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#82 Jun 15 2012 at 6:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Went through the microsoft website, downloaded the update, and after completing said it couldnt download it due to my version of windows. Went through about 20 windows updates, now i have windows 7 home premium, meaning I wont be able to download the vista pack because I dont have vista. WTF is up with this. Im at a loss as to what to do
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Hmm i'll do a quick search see if i can help you out on your issue.
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#84 Jun 15 2012 at 6:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Final Fantasy XIV supports both windows 7 32&64 Bits! You should have no problem playing the game any longer.
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#85 Jun 15 2012 at 6:44 PM Rating: Decent
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seems like others have had this problem, but they can get around it through a compatability mode, BUT... thats on a disc. I dont seem to have any setup files etc. Maybe this is where the Steam things come into play. doubtful though
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If you have problems do this.

1. Run in Admin Mode
2. Download latest Win7 Updates
3. Run in Compatibility Mode with an earlier version of windows
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Wait, wut? You're required to download and install Windows Vista SP2, but you have Win 7? I um... don't think you're supposed to do that. Was your version of Windows 7 an upgrade from Vista?

Try running it in compatibility mode and see if that works, otherwise you'll probably want to try a fresh install.

Edited, Jun 15th 2012 8:45pm by FilthMcNasty
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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
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If you installed FFXIV you should have a shorcut of it in your desktop, right click it, and set the compability mode
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#89 Jun 15 2012 at 6:47 PM Rating: Decent
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i dont know ostia. I checked system requirements and it says that. But on forums people complained about the same thing. Getting an error message about needing windows vista sp2 when they have windows 7 home edition like i do. The solution is to go to the setup files on the disc (which i never got because i did the digital download) and changing the compatability mode. The only files i have relating to FFXIV are the set up files... im a ******* idiot.
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i dont know ostia. I checked system requirements and it says that. But on forums people complained about the same thing. Getting an error message about needing windows vista sp2 when they have windows 7 home edition like i do. The solution is to go to the setup files on the disc (which i never got because i did the digital download) and changing the compatability mode. The only files i have relating to FFXIV are the set up files... im a ******* idiot.
#91 Jun 15 2012 at 6:50 PM Rating: Decent
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kinda an idiot. FFXIV_Setup.part1, and then FFXIV_Setup.part2-8.rar. When i click on setup part one it leads to a window with ffxiv logo that starts extracting the .rar files. Then it goes straight into selecting a language to install the game. I click english, then i get the vista crap
#92 Jun 15 2012 at 6:55 PM Rating: Decent
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okay so new update. It never let me "install" FFXIV. I had to download the downloader from the square website. Then the downloader gave me the installer.... the problem i was havign was with the installer not running on anything other than vista sp2. So my downloads were putting the files in a temp file tucked away in the computer. Finally found the installer icon/document, selected compatability thru troubleshooting, and its on the install wizard now, hopefully this works. Thanks for all the helps guys
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Oh good news! I tho i would have to give you some links for a direct download XD! now if i where you i would start downloading the updates, the updater of SE is slow as ****
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#94 Jun 15 2012 at 7:10 PM Rating: Decent
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http://tehkrizz.net/FFXIV/downloads.php

Download the bigger ones, the small ones usually download at normal speeds on the games updater.
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#95 Jun 15 2012 at 7:28 PM Rating: Decent
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holy crap thats a ton of patches
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Just download the 300MB+ ones there are not that many of those
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#97 Jun 15 2012 at 7:54 PM Rating: Decent
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website looks kind of sketchy. So far i'm on version update 1 of 14 lol. and its an hour download. guess no playing tonight
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yeah the site looks like that, i had my doubts, but i have installed the game 2 times and used that website to update the game, has worked perfectly both times, what i did was just download the bigger ones, the 250-600MB ones one by one, do not put more than one at a time for it will take you double your time to download both than just one at a time.

I would start with the biggest one first, and whatever you think you cant finish, just let the FFXIV updater download overnight.
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A bit of a rocky start. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you that you don't have issues setting up payment Smiley: nod
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30 bucks is almost free

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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
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Yeah i already knew that, i used to play the game before, but starting from 0, even with the market wards, i spend all my money on just one upgrade, and by the time i get enough money for another one, i am already 10 levels above the item i was supposed to buy, and the according upgrade cost triple what the one before did <.< and i cannot even attempt to do leves at max stars, since there is no people to group with(Even tho there are they never answer any party invites or shouts) i cant get that extra gil, so i'm already a lvl 12 warrior, with lvl 1 gear, except 2 upgrades at lvl 3, and my next weapon a lvl 8 cost 12k gil, and i'm flat broke XD!




... Gonna call BS on this, you're doing something wrong.

Tell me your Location and Server. Let's see if I can't get you squared away.

There should be no reason why you're blowing your income on one level 8 upgrade. At. All, period. End of story.

It is almost physically impossible not to cover your basic needs off of Guild Leves up until your twenties at least.

We'll start by your way of doing Leves.

You do Leves 1 difficulty above your level. For example, if you are level 3, you should be doing a 2 Star Leve at starter camp. Continue doing 2 Stars until you hit level 6 and so on. By the time you're doing max level Leves from that camp, you should be getting ready to move on.

I've soloed Lancer, from scrap 0, all the way up to about 47 without even touching an XP party. My only income was Leves and NPCing the loot I got from killing mobs. (that I got mostly from mobs I killed during Leves.) Storyline, Sidequests and Guild Quests supplemented my income, but only because I got bored of Leves.

In the end, repetition of Leves around your level will function as a better, steady income than Leves over your level shared in party. Tomorrow I'll look up affordable gear your level you should be taking up in the climb. Remember you're just grinding, so the 'best' isn't the correct answer.

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Ostia wrote:
Yeah i already knew that, i used to play the game before, but starting from 0, even with the market wards, i spend all my money on just one upgrade, and by the time i get enough money for another one, i am already 10 levels above the item i was supposed to buy, and the according upgrade cost triple what the one before did <.< and i cannot even attempt to do leves at max stars, since there is no people to group with(Even tho there are they never answer any party invites or shouts) i cant get that extra gil, so i'm already a lvl 12 warrior, with lvl 1 gear, except 2 upgrades at lvl 3, and my next weapon a lvl 8 cost 12k gil, and i'm flat broke XD!




... Gonna call BS on this, you're doing something wrong.

Tell me your Location and Server. Let's see if I can't get you squared away.

There should be no reason why you're blowing your income on one level 8 upgrade. At. All, period. End of story.

It is almost physically impossible not to cover your basic needs off of Guild Leves up until your twenties at least.

We'll start by your way of doing Leves.

You do Leves 1 difficulty above your level. For example, if you are level 3, you should be doing a 2 Star Leve at starter camp. Continue doing 2 Stars until you hit level 6 and so on. By the time you're doing max level Leves from that camp, you should be getting ready to move on.

I've soloed Lancer, from scrap 0, all the way up to about 47 without even touching an XP party. My only income was Leves and NPCing the loot I got from killing mobs. (that I got mostly from mobs I killed during Leves.) Storyline, Sidequests and Guild Quests supplemented my income, but only because I got bored of Leves.

In the end, repetition of Leves around your level will function as a better, steady income than Leves over your level shared in party. Tomorrow I'll look up affordable gear your level you should be taking up in the climb. Remember you're just grinding, so the 'best' isn't the correct answer.



I started in Ul'dah, i am a warrior, i started doing that quest where you sell that flower for 2kgil then i went to the camp, with 4 leves did 2 at one star, the other 2 at 2 stars i was lvl 4-5, then i killed monsters till i was level 7, went back grabbed the other 4 leves did them at 3 stars, got level 8, i had 4Kgil (i get 180gil per leve )

My main wepon upgrade a level 8 sword cost 12k on the merchant in the wards, on the wards themselvs is not being sold, with the 4kgil i had i bought a shield level 5 for 3.5k from the merchant(So i could use aegis boom etc) i went ahead and did the other part of the sand whatever quest, the one where you go to the camp with the cat girl and you get 5K, and thats what i got
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