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#1 Jun 15 2012 at 3:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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As our community may be aware, FINAL FANTASY XIV offers 30-day and 90-day subscription periods. We wish to inform our players that we will be discontinuing the 90-day subscription option on Saturday, June 30, 2012. Beginning Sunday, July 1, 2012 we will only offer a 30-day subscription plan.

Fulfilling the Requirements for the Legacy Campaign

Players Currently Within the 30-Day Free Trial Period

Players who began playing as of May 2012 and have registered for a 90-day period before June 30, 2012 will be able to fulfill the requirements needed to qualify for the Legacy Campaign.

Current Players

Players who have subscribed for at least 90 cumulative days since January 6, 2012 will be able to fulfill the requirements needed to qualify for the Legacy Campaign.

Returning Players

Players who played before January 5, 2012 and wish to resume playing again will need to register for a 90-day subscription before Saturday, June 30, 2012 in order to fulfill the requirements needed to qualify for the Legacy Campaign.

Information regarding the transition from the current game to version 2.0 will be announced on the Lodestone in the future.
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#2 Jun 15 2012 at 8:26 AM Rating: Decent
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So SE has until June 30th to convince me to pay up.
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If a permanent discount isn't enough to get you to sign up, don't bother at all then.

Your reward is much higher than your risk in this case. Granted, it's hard to part with $50 (the price of 3 months) these days, but the returned savings you get should you decide to play the game anyways will pay it back and then some inside a year.

I admit, it's hard to see what's hesitating people when I'm already sold on it. (Even with my limited playtime.) However I've gotta say, if you're not convinced this far into it, I don't think the official website release or even the alpha/beta will convince you. Just admit you're really not interested and move on. Pining for them to be accommodating you personally when you're not seeing it happen from what they've already shown and done is just... self torture, really.
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The timing of this change is very suspect for me, this is coming basically 2 months (most would be paying for 2nd month this month) after a portion of their playerbase has returned and most returned on 30 day subscriptions on the understanding that as long as they had started paying before the end of last month they'd be set on getting legacy campaign. Now the fact that most of them already paid for last month via a single month subscription they're forced to get a 90 day subscription with very little warning. That basically forces them to pay for 4 months to get legacy campaign. If they'd said last month that you'd end up having to pay for a 90 day sub or else I'm sure most people would have just went with a 90 day sub or not at all.

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TheFrozenKing wrote:
The timing of this change is very suspect for me, this is coming basically 2 months (most would be paying for 2nd month this month) after a portion of their playerbase has returned and most returned on 30 day subscriptions on the understanding that as long as they had started paying before the end of last month they'd be set on getting legacy campaign.


There is nothing suspect about this announcement as it would line up with what they had said last month with new registration.

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Now the fact that most of them already paid for last month via a single month subscription they're forced to get a 90 day subscription with very little warning. That basically forces them to pay for 4 months to get legacy campaign. If they'd said last month that you'd end up having to pay for a 90 day sub or else I'm sure most people would have just went with a 90 day sub or not at all.


I'm not sure where you are getting this idea that it forces them to pay for 4 months and the the 90 day paid is required. All this announcement is for is that they are discontinuing the 90 day payment option and that if you have yet to resub and pay since Jan 5 and want to get in on the Legacy Program that you have until June 30 to do so.

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If a permanent discount isn't enough to get you to sign up, don't bother at all then.

Your reward is much higher than your risk in this case. Granted, it's hard to part with $50 (the price of 3 months) these days, but the returned savings you get should you decide to play the game anyways will pay it back and then some inside a year.

I admit, it's hard to see what's hesitating people when I'm already sold on it. (Even with my limited playtime.) However I've gotta say, if you're not convinced this far into it, I don't think the official website release or even the alpha/beta will convince you. Just admit you're really not interested and move on. Pining for them to be accommodating you personally when you're not seeing it happen from what they've already shown and done is just... self torture, really.


It's not hard to see. The majority of people who bought this game either dislike it in its current incarnation (like I do), or they were so put off by how insultingly awful it was at launch that they've never touched it again. And screenshots do not a good game make (regarding 2.0), so people are likely being very gunshy about giving SE money for the promise of a better game later.

Show me the goods, and I'll pay if I like it. Don't give me vaporware and expect money.

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I think some of you are confused. Approximately October is when they plan to shut down servers and start the beta. Because of this, there may not be more than three months of game time left after June. You can still pay per month, up until beta.
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The thing is the message itself isn't specific enough, becaue the message in it only addresses people that a.) are brand new players, b.) players that have already paid for legacy campain, c.) returning players, but it doesn't address what time period returning players encompasses. If it means people that have returned for a few months that haven't quite hit legacy status or if it means people that are in the process of returning this month. It doesn't mention at all what those players that have already begun playing are supposed to do, if they're still on track to getting legacy campaign or if you have to have paid for 90 days by the end of the month. I've personally already paid for the 90 days last month, but a friend of mine was going to pay in 30 day payments.

The thing is this message can be taken either way. It could either mean that it just applies to people that have yet to start paying or it could apply to everyone that has yet to reach legacy status.
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From the legacy page on lodestone, users needed to register their account before may and paid for a total of 90 days before beta, which is set in october. Your friend can continue to pay per month and meet requirements. They were simply announcing that if you have paid for no months yet, at the end of the month you will miss out. This is the last chance for 3 full months.
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This concerns me because I just returned last week and assumed i didn't need to pay the 90 day sub to get legacy. I would have no problem either way, but I picked month to month out of habit.

June to July
July to August
August to September

I should be ok right?
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Yeah you should be fine. There was a bulk discount for three months. You'll just end up paying 6 more than I did, but you'll still get legacy if you get a total of three months before October.
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The thing is it doesn't mention that in the message at all. I hope that's how it works I really do, but I'm not just going to assume it'll all work out, espically when it's some one else's time and money on the line. They really should have covered all thier bases in the message, just a simple "If you've already started paying as of: <insert date> via 30 day subscriptions, you should still be on the track to Legacy status". A definitive pay-by line would be much better than oh as long as you've paid 90 days before beta (which we don't have a date for) but it must be 90 day subcription as of June 30, 2012 since we're getting rid of 90 day payment plans.

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It's not hard to see. The majority of people who bought this game either dislike it in its current incarnation (like I do), or they were so put off by how insultingly awful it was at launch that they've never touched it again. And screenshots do not a good game make (regarding 2.0), so people are likely being very gunshy about giving SE money for the promise of a better game later.

Show me the goods, and I'll pay if I like it. Don't give me vaporware and expect money.


If you need live footage before making payments, then you sacrafice your ability to reach Legacy status.

It is hard for me to see, because the decision is black and white. You don't want the game and are still put-off at this stage, then go and be done with it. They're not totally revamping the Classes from scratch again.

I've said this on the official boards. Those who have not settled into the gameplay by this point in time will have nothing for them by the time 2.0 comes around. The game's base mechanics (at least for the combat classes) are not changing wildly from this point. If you played a Gladiator/Paladin in the current state of 1.22c, your gameplay will likely not change all that much by the time 2.0 rolls around aside from it feeling smoother and more responsive.

The things that will improve? The revamped graphics engine and world maps (sans towns), the crafting/gathering systems. Better search options (Content finder, auction house, etc.) And new content (Chocobo, housing dungeons, etc.)

There's enough goal-orientated content to keep anyone who signs up NOW occupied until they close the servers for 2.0 alpha, period.

If you're still on the fence and you MUST SEE THE PRODUCT beyond what we already have, you're better off just making your final decision in the negative now, and save yourself the disappointment you're already setting yourself up for.

If you're still swinging on the 'I don't know...' Side, where you're hopeful, but cautious. Register now.

As I said before. If you sit and wait and then say "Oh darn, yeah I want that!" You're going to be ticked that you can't get Legacy. If you see the product, and decide "Well, no, I don't want that." You're out 50 bucks. If you get Legacy you save about $60 a year for the same service.

Pretty much any other complaint is a reality in the game that isn't changing. - There will always be class stacking or other some sort of gameplay narrowing exploit. Communication will always be preferred to be Intra-company (linkshell/guild, whatever.) Soloing will likely be the preferred method of leveling be it questing, leves (yes, they will still exist), or solo mob grinding.

Put bluntly, you can't change the player base, they will still do these things regardless on how patches swing the balance. If you're not sold or close to being sold at this point, you likely won't be. If you are, you will regret it when you see the gameplay, and are forced to swallow the extra two to five bucks each month because you hesitated.

You won't, however, miss fifty bucks six months from now. And that bitter taste in your mouth isn't going to get any more sour if it winds up flopping - because they're not going to ever abandon this game, and you ever decide to pick it up again, you've got that rate locked in for life.


So no, I don't see how people are hesitating. They're either already to the point where they're only hanging around to say how the game is and will never meet their 'standards' or they're sucking on their last bits of selfish pride like a complete fool. If there's even an iota of hope for you to play this game, get yourself Legacy status now. Or you'll regret it later.
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This concerns me because I just returned last week and assumed i didn't need to pay the 90 day sub to get legacy. I would have no problem either way, but I picked month to month out of habit.

June to July
July to August
August to September

I should be ok right?


I don't want to give you any false hopes or sugarcoat anything, honestly you might want to pay for the 90 days before the end of the month to absolutely make sure you make legacy. There is/was obviously some date that you need/needed to start making 30 day payments by and we (and probably even SE) don't know what that date is/was. If there wasn't a point when 30 day subscriptions wouldn't cut it why force people to pay for 90 days before the end of this month. This is why an absolute target day instead of just a "have 90 days paid by a date we don't know and aren't willing to estimate."

I would suggest contacting SE, but so far pretty much every response I've heard has been, "as long as you have paid for 90 days before beta starts". And if you ask when beta starts you usually just get a "We have not released a date when beta will start".

If you started making payments on let's say the 8th, and beta starts on like the 6th of that month you'd be screwed, with no way of knowing till it was already too late.
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It's 3 paid months. 90 paid subscription days.

I've had single month payments done since this whole thing started, and I'm legacy status. So long as he stays subscribed for the duration, he's fine.
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I know it's 3 months paid, but paid by when? Before beta starts, when's that? No one knows...
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Shouldn't be hard to figure out that service for the game will end near the end of september/beginning of october. They did say that they would be shutting down 1.0 before beta and october/november sounds about right for 2.0 beta.
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Shouldn't be hard to figure out that service for the game will end near the end of september/beginning of october. They did say that they would be shutting down 1.0 before beta and october/november sounds about right for 2.0 beta.


/sigh I see you guys aren't getting what I'm saying. I'm not trying to be difficult or obtuse. This shouldn't be something you have to "figure out" it should be something stated in black and white. I'm just trying to make sure everyone that wants legacy campaign, gets their legacy campaign. If someone started making payments today the 15th of the month, and then they make a 30 day payment for the next month, and beta somehow starts before they get that 3rd month in, they get screwed outta legacy. There is/was obviously some point that 30 day subscriptions aren't going to get you legacy status. If you could just keep paying in 30-day payments at any random point before June 30th why make it so you have to have a 90 day payment set-up by June 30th. Could you start paying 30 day payments today and get legacy campaign, no one knows for certian, go back a week, same deal...
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hexaemeron wrote:


It's not hard to see. The majority of people who bought this game either dislike it in its current incarnation (like I do), or they were so put off by how insultingly awful it was at launch that they've never touched it again. And screenshots do not a good game make (regarding 2.0), so people are likely being very gunshy about giving SE money for the promise of a better game later.

Show me the goods, and I'll pay if I like it. Don't give me vaporware and expect money.


If you need live footage before making payments, then you sacrafice your ability to reach Legacy status.

It is hard for me to see, because the decision is black and white. You don't want the game and are still put-off at this stage, then go and be done with it. They're not totally revamping the Classes from scratch again.

I've said this on the official boards. Those who have not settled into the gameplay by this point in time will have nothing for them by the time 2.0 comes around. The game's base mechanics (at least for the combat classes) are not changing wildly from this point. If you played a Gladiator/Paladin in the current state of 1.22c, your gameplay will likely not change all that much by the time 2.0 rolls around aside from it feeling smoother and more responsive.

The things that will improve? The revamped graphics engine and world maps (sans towns), the crafting/gathering systems. Better search options (Content finder, auction house, etc.) And new content (Chocobo, housing dungeons, etc.)

There's enough goal-orientated content to keep anyone who signs up NOW occupied until they close the servers for 2.0 alpha, period.

If you're still on the fence and you MUST SEE THE PRODUCT beyond what we already have, you're better off just making your final decision in the negative now, and save yourself the disappointment you're already setting yourself up for.

If you're still swinging on the 'I don't know...' Side, where you're hopeful, but cautious. Register now.

As I said before. If you sit and wait and then say "Oh darn, yeah I want that!" You're going to be ticked that you can't get Legacy. If you see the product, and decide "Well, no, I don't want that." You're out 50 bucks. If you get Legacy you save about $60 a year for the same service.

Pretty much any other complaint is a reality in the game that isn't changing. - There will always be class stacking or other some sort of gameplay narrowing exploit. Communication will always be preferred to be Intra-company (linkshell/guild, whatever.) Soloing will likely be the preferred method of leveling be it questing, leves (yes, they will still exist), or solo mob grinding.

Put bluntly, you can't change the player base, they will still do these things regardless on how patches swing the balance. If you're not sold or close to being sold at this point, you likely won't be. If you are, you will regret it when you see the gameplay, and are forced to swallow the extra two to five bucks each month because you hesitated.

You won't, however, miss fifty bucks six months from now. And that bitter taste in your mouth isn't going to get any more sour if it winds up flopping - because they're not going to ever abandon this game, and you ever decide to pick it up again, you've got that rate locked in for life.


So no, I don't see how people are hesitating. They're either already to the point where they're only hanging around to say how the game is and will never meet their 'standards' or they're sucking on their last bits of selfish pride like a complete fool. If there's even an iota of hope for you to play this game, get yourself Legacy status now. Or you'll regret it later.


Why do you go out of your way to be such an idiot ? Seriously ? SE is not selling 1.0! They are selling 2.0! The game that we are playing now, is not the game that they are going out of their way to sell to People. How can you question their hesitation, when all we have seen of 2.0 is a few screenshots, there is no solid information as to what 2.0 will bring, aside from what SE has told us, and most of us are expecting they will have a whole lot of surprises, because if 2.0 is released and all that changes is their coding of the game, an actual AH, a LFG tool and finally a raid, the game is done, that is not enough to entice the 90% of the population that dropped this game one month after it's release.

1.0 is garbage, Se knows it, the MMO community knows it, even the white knights know it, that is why SE is selling 2.0! "Hey give us your money and in a year and some months we will give you this (Insert pretty looking Screenshot), they are not flaunting and raving about how good 1.0 is, are They ? Even their legacy campaign is tailored to entice people to sign up FOR 2.0!!

So how can you sit there and tell people: "Hey if you dont like it now, then you will never like it" When the entire purpose of 2.0 is to be a complete 180 from 1.0.

Please for the love of the gods, explain it to me, because i fail to see any logic in it.
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I know it's 3 months paid, but paid by when? Before beta starts, when's that? No one knows...



3 Month's paid before old service (1.xx) closes. Which means, by June 30th you should have STARTED paying.

If you're already paying by now, you're golden, just keep yourself subscribed.

The approximate date for end of service is end of September, so we're right on track.
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I know it's 3 months paid, but paid by when? Before beta starts, when's that? No one knows...



3 Month's paid before old service (1.xx) closes. Which means, by June 30th you should have STARTED paying.

If you're already paying by now, you're golden, just keep yourself subscribed.

The approximate date for end of service is end of September, so we're right on track.


Hyrist, I understand about the whole Legacy thing. That's not my issue. I mean, why should I pay at all now for a game that I haven't seen, haven't played from a company that tried to pawn off the launch day game at full price banking that the FF name would cover every sin in development?

I don't care if I pay a normal price when the work is worth it. Money is not my issue. Throwing my money at a company who tried to ***** me over once and failed, and MAY be trying to do it again is my issue.

If 2.0 is legit, I will spend the full monthly sub on it. But I'm certainly not going to throw money at them now for the hope of having a cheaper experience later, when 2.0 could be vaporware, or a total f'in dud that just gets cancelled after debut from lack of interest.
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Please for the love of the gods, explain it to me, because i fail...


Of course you do, because you most obviously have not been paying any attention from the start.

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I seriously do not have the time to stand here and review the past year and a half for you, so let's truncate it.

The game has been changing since 1.00 - changing dramatically.

Pretty much any content that could be revamped without having to gut the entire server engine and graphics engine has been done.

Combat has been completely overhauled. The Battle Regime system gutted. Attacks now Combo.
Jobs have been releaced.
More Primal battles, each increasingly potent in terms of design.
Hamlet Defence is out.
Dungeon raiding is out.
All but the last piece of the 7th Umbral Era (unique to this transitional change) storyline is out.

The game has not been stagnant in this past time, it has been under constant metamorphosis. But they're pretty much at the extent of what they can do before 2.0

But what 2.0 Changes above what is now, is mainly the graphics engine, and the server engine.

Jobs will remain the same but get new abilities and new content flows in.
The combo system will remain the same but will gain new move and an additional system to replace battle regime
The core mechanics of what makes a combat class/job function as they are, will remain the same.

The world will be different, but a Dragoon isn't going to be playing any differently in 2.0, then they are playing now. Same for every other Deciple of War and Magic. The only changes in that department will be the things related to the engine overhaul.

So you can log in, right now, and get a general feel for how you'll be playing with the game, knowing what content is coming in 2.0 that isn't currently here.

And if you're not sure about that, then you can always look here:
http://gdl.square-enix.com/ffxiv/download/en/FFXIV_2.0_Systems_and_Content_EN.pdf

So yeah. When you get to the core of the game, the combat, you can make your decision now, before 2.0 is released. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to take the improvements made in the past year, and apply them in a better engine environment. They would not have released the Legacy Campaign and the Welcome Back free trial if they did not feel the current content didn't give people a proper taste of what is to come.

And if you don't like the combo system. If you don't like the job system. If you don't like the primal fights or the dungeon crawls or any of the new content and new direction the game has taken since 1.0. I guarantee you will not like 2.0. If you look at the direction the game has been going and say "I like it, but I still don't like x graphical/server/UI problem, then THAT's the stuff you will get addressed in 2.0.
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Finally they put up a post that helps clear some of this up on the lodestone forumns.

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First and foremost, to help clarify one of the main points of confusion that is popping up:

To be eligible for the Legacy campaign, you must pay for 90 days cumulative between January 6th and the start of version 2.0 beta testing. (As stated in the Legacy Campaign announcement)

Today's announcement was to notify players that the 90-day subscription option will be removed at the end of this month. Since that option may affect how some qualify for Legacy, we listed a few examples in the announcement.

It seems that those may have been unclear, so we prepared a more in-depth FAQ for all.

I have paid for 90 cumulative days of subscription since the start of billing; does that mean I qualify for the Legacy campaign?
Yes. You can confirm your Legacy status using one of three methods:

•We will periodically send out notification emails to those that qualify for the Legacy campaign.
•The Legacy logo will be displayed when logging into the Square Enix Account Management System and visiting the "FINAL FANTASY XIV" service account section found within the "Select Service" menu.
•The Legacy logo will be displayed in the upper left corner of the Character Select screen when logging into the game.

I've paid for 30 cumulative days of subscription since the start of billing, what do I need to do to qualify for the Legacy campaign?
You will need to pay a further 60 days of subscription before the start of the version 2.0 beta test to be able to fulfill the requirements needed to qualify for the Legacy Campaign.

I have paid for 60 cumulative days of subscription since the start of billing, what do I need to do to qualify for the Legacy campaign?
You will need to pay a further 30 days of subscription before the start of the version 2.0 beta test to be able to fulfill the requirements needed to qualify for the Legacy Campaign.

I played before the start of billing and I am no longer in my 30-day Free Trial period. What do I need to do to qualify for the Legacy campaign?
You will need to register a 90-day subscription option to your account before June 30th, 2012 to be able to fulfill the requirements needed to qualify for the Legacy Campaign.

I started playing in May 2012 and I am currently in my 30-day Free Trial period. What do I need to do to qualify for the Legacy campaign?
You will need to register a 90-day subscription option to your account before June 30th, 2012 to be able to fulfill the requirements needed to qualify for the Legacy Campaign.

Hopefully this will clear up any questions that you all might have!


If the orginal post had read like this all the confusion could have been avoided in the first place.

Edited, Jun 15th 2012 7:46pm by TheFrozenKing
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I think some of you are confused. Approximately October is when they plan to shut down servers and start the beta. Because of this, there may not be more than three months of game time left after June. You can still pay per month, up until beta.


Don't talk common sense, they lack it... 90 days dissapearing because after next month there may not be 90 days and they don't want to charge people that can't play, so they go to 30 day incriments to minimize people being upset... AND... people are upset because they can't pay for 90 days when they may only get 60....

You can still sub for 90 days, 30 at a time... why are you people so negative and ******* (especially those of you not even paying currently...)

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If the orginal post had read like this all the confusion could have been avoided in the first place. Edited, Jun 15th 2012 7:46pm by TheFrozenKing


Um, it pretty much said that in plain English. I got it before the "translation/clarification" no problem, and I'm not the smartest cookie in the box...

Edited, Jun 16th 2012 12:36am by Perrin
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Well a lot of people were concerned when it said this :

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Returning Players

Players who played before January 5, 2012 and wish to resume playing again will need to register for a 90-day subscription before Saturday, June 30, 2012 in order to fulfill the requirements needed to qualify for the Legacy Campaign.


or more specficially this part "will need to register for a 90-day subscription before Saturday, June 30, 2012 in order to fulfill the requirements needed to qualify for the Legacy Campaign."

It didn't say anything about people that were currently paying monthly but hadn't yet fully obtained Legacy status. Taken at face value it could have meant that if you didn't have a 90-day subscription (or 90 days subscribed time) by June 30 you wouldn't fulfill the requirements for Legacy Campaign. Multiple people read it this way, that's why if you read a few of the other site's forums you see other people that were confused by what it was saying.
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Hyrist, I understand about the whole Legacy thing. That's not my issue. I mean, why should I pay at all now for a game that I haven't seen, haven't played from a company that tried to pawn off the launch day game at full price banking that the FF name would cover every sin in development?

I don't care if I pay a normal price when the work is worth it. Money is not my issue. Throwing my money at a company who tried to ***** me over once and failed, and MAY be trying to do it again is my issue.

If 2.0 is legit, I will spend the full monthly sub on it. But I'm certainly not going to throw money at them now for the hope of having a cheaper experience later, when 2.0 could be vaporware, or a total f'in dud that just gets cancelled after debut from lack of interest.


Personally, you're not the one my origonal post on this thread was directed at. it was the guy who peeped up and said "Well then SE's got 30 days to convince me to play this game." To which I promptly said. "Decide now, or look the fool one way or another."

If you want to swallow the extra five a month. That's fine. I remember that FFXI was a pretty hard and miserable game (Granted no where near the bad of FFXIV 1.0 launch) a good way at the beginning, but I still got nearly a decade out of it, and enjoyed my experiences there.

But point blank, I believe in Yoshida far more than I ever had faith in Tanaka. And that's where I make my gamble. Not on 'Square Enix'. Square Enix is a publishing/developing company. They represent something far far far more larger and nebulous than FFXIV as a project.

The development team, however, has new staff and a new lead. The previous lead was Tanaka, who, for all his other accomplishments, brought dated concepts to a new game, which was a critical flaw. The other critical flaw was SE's fault in forcing a bad engine on this game, and turning around and shoving a bad timetable on Tanaka's throat for it. Those problems, Square Enix swallows a gigantic amount of both blame and shame for.

But if anyone can convince me that Square Enix received the wake-up call they needed to as a result of FFXIV's initial failure, it's Yoshida. He has not just told, he has shown, that he listens. He has also gone and shared his ideals and his visions with us, has gone as far as to make personal observations and comments with us. And has kept up a flow of communication that is something rather impressive in development companies in general, let alone Asian gaming companies, let alone Square Enix, which has, up until this point, been notoriously tight-lipped.

So no, my money is in support of him, and I have stated such on multiple occasions. I don't need to see the engine in motion to know that a guy who shares many of my views is already overseeing it. I'm not picturing perfection, mind you. Nor am I expecting it. (After all, I frequently caution people to keep their expectations in check. What we are getting is a engine/map update, not an entirely new game. I factor what we receive content wise for FFXIV 2.0 along the lines of an expansion, and still expect normal Square Enix tropes when it comes to releasing content form said expansion.)

What the game currently has - that combat I was talking about earlier? I find it fun and enjoyable. (Granted, I prefer Dragoon's fighting style the most thus far, I hope Red Mage keeps me enthralled as well when it comes out, otherwise 'Hyrist' might not make an appearance!) Enough to get me to subscribe. I play now to carry over the work I do here into 2.0 I want Lin Celistine to arrive in the new Eorza as a level 50 Lancer with as many jobs to support that class as possible. I also want to go and finish the story for the 7th Umbral Era storyline. Witnessing an apocalypse or a near apocalypse in a way that FFXI could never duplicate ("Oh look, the world 'nearly' ended, but nobody knows about it!" happened 4 times... seriously.)

I can't convince you to buy for these things. But I do say you will save much more money in the long run if you do Legacy. Knowing you, I think you're on the fence for more graphical issues, the smooth flow of combat, etc. You want to see that the engine works. And if you're willing to spend $360 more over six years then yeah, that's fine. Just understand that the money you would put down to get legacy campaign pays itself back in one year of subscription, no matter how intermittent that may be. Whether you think it sucks or you think it rocks, this game will not 'fold'. And if it gains any of FFXI's notorious reputation of having players who dip in and out, even you will be subject to that pull.

But speaking personally, it's better for me to bite the bullet and take that 'risk', and pay less over time, no matter how intermittent that time may be. Then to sit and cross my arms and say "No I'm not giving you ANY money until I'm SURE get what I want."

You're free to feel the way you do. Goodness knows I'm not touching BioWare games until I see an improvement in their business practices. Changes that I've seen already from Square Enix, at least as FFXIV is concerned.
#27 Jun 15 2012 at 8:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's simple.

They are discontinuing the 90-Day subscription plan because once the 2.0 beta starts, subscriptions will be suspended (you can play for free in the beta, but you can't play with your old characters). If you were midway into your 90 days, you might be angry that you won't get the full value of your subscription, especially if it turns out you hate 2.0 and want a refund. So it's better to get everyone on month-to-month plan and end the current version in a way that's fair for everyone.
#28 Jun 15 2012 at 9:07 PM Rating: Good
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Hyrist wrote:
But if anyone can convince me that Square Enix received the wake-up call they needed to as a result of FFXIV's initial failure, it's Yoshida.

I'm with you man, but seeing is believing and I haven't seen enough. This however...
Hyrist wrote:
But speaking personally, it's better for me to bite the bullet and take that 'risk', and pay less over time, no matter how intermittent that time may be. Then to sit and cross my arms and say "No I'm not giving you ANY money until I'm SURE get what I want."

...is flawed logic to people who aren't already playing. Sure it works for you if you were going to play anyway, but if I sit and fold my arms refusing to pay until I've had beta access or my free trial and it bombs again, it cost me nothing. If it bombs on you then you're out the money and the time unless you decide you like it how it is.

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#29 Jun 15 2012 at 9:31 PM Rating: Good
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You're going off the assumption that if it bombs, you'll never play again.

Where you've already confessed that after the first bomb, you played until before the jobs were released. You're also assuming the worst case, rather than the most likely case - which is that the game improves, but only to a degree. It won't be the spectacle revival that everyone dreams, but it won't be the horrific bomb that everyone fears.

You've already shown yourself on the fence now. If the engine shows itself as more functional than the current one, you are most likely sold, even if you will still gripe about things that you won't be completely satisfied with. I'm simply making the safe bet in the understanding of the circumstances.

If your logic was contained in a vacuum, you would be correct. But nothing ever is.

You're already glued to these boards as a hopefull. You are far more likely to evolve into a love-hate (read: Subscribe-Unsubscribe) relationship with this game then you are to completely swear it off. Therefore, the odds swing in my favor.

You wouldn't be here if you didn't care if this game succeeded. You likely won't go away in the event that it 'fails'. The 'free trial' will only last for it's launch. Your interest in this game will likely last longer than that one way or another. Whether or not this game 'bombs' is irrelevant in comparison to if your interest is retained. What you have to honestly ask yourself is: Do you have enough interest to even try it again later on down the line? If you do, you're better off getting the Legacy status. If you don't, you've probably already wasted too much time waiting for this game to appeal to you.

I'm not saying this for my own sake - man. I want you to seriously consider this. If you take the safe road and you're wrong, you'll be bleeding out money the longer you play. If you take the risk and you're wrong, you've got a fixed loss that you can still make up if the game ever meets your standards.

Just think on it a while. That's all I ask.
#30 Jun 15 2012 at 10:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Hyrist wrote:
You're going off the assumption that if it bombs, you'll never play again.

Where you've already confessed that after the first bomb, you played until before the jobs were released. You're also assuming the worst case, rather than the most likely case - which is that the game improves, but only to a degree. It won't be the spectacle revival that everyone dreams, but it won't be the horrific bomb that everyone fears.


If it bombs, I'm sure I won't ever play it again solely on principle. Three strikes and you're out. I think that's more than fair. I'm not really assuming the worst, I'm just not really hopeful. You gotta understand, I was amped for XIV when I first heard about it. I was absolutely stoked when I found out I was accepted to the first wave of closed alpha testing. I was devastated that after all the build up and all the hype that it could be such a miserable failure. Maybe I make it out to be something bigger than it really was, but like you say...

Hyrist wrote:
You wouldn't be here if you didn't care if this game succeeded.


I want the game to do well which is why I've been so critical. It's also the reason why I'm waiting until 2.0 to play again.

Hyrist wrote:
I'm not saying this for my own sake - man. I want you to seriously consider this. If you take the safe road and you're wrong, you'll be bleeding out money the longer you play. If you take the risk and you're wrong, you've got a fixed loss that you can still make up if the game ever meets your standards.

Just think on it a while. That's all I ask.


I already have considered it. SE punched me in the gut with the alpha test. Granted it was just an alpha, but the core of what the game used to be was all there. Strike one. I was already doubled over, but then they kicked me in the teeth when they lied about their progress after launch. That was strike two. They'll get a third and final chance and I'll give it to them on their own terms. If they can't make the game more appealing than the alternative then they won't have my support or my money.

Here's my vacuum logic: If SE can pull it off then they deserve my extra 5 bucks a month. Call it a tax for not having faith that it could be done. Square business.
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#31 Jun 16 2012 at 9:18 AM Rating: Good
Only SE could cause this much mass confusion regarding payments to qualify for something. Even the official forums had the same issue. I just re-subed myself last month, games pretty fun, though since Diablo 3 has 10 of my RL friends on it, I've been playing that. For me at this point, the maps are what needs to change, and maybe inventory management and I'd be happy. I know for sure maps are changing, so 2.0 will probably be good to me. If something like the job system, or battle system is bugging you, 2.0 probably won't do much for you.
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