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#52 Jun 20 2012 at 8:12 PM Rating: Good
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I played FFXI for 5-6 years and loved it....except level 32 on BST.

It is still the game that all others are compared. There will never be another game like it. I loved it and at times I hated it and it was the best I've ever played.

I left with a 75 RDM, PLD, SAM and fully merited BST.

Grinding was part of what made the community great. I knew who I wanted to party with and I knew the asshats. I can still remember the rhyming macros of the RDM/BLM that I partied with in Cape Terrigan. I remember the jerk I helped out with COP missions.

I liked being part of a cooperative effort, not bashing other people because their playstyle is different.

Played WoW, could level a toon to 85 in 5 casual days...boring.
Played Rift for about a month...quit after capping 2 jobs.
SWtOR...just boring.
Now playing Tera and it is so boring I dunno if I'll ever get to 60. And the trash talking is awful. My block list can't hold everyone on the server.

No other game has made me laugh as hard or get as angry as FFXI. I still have friends that I made in that game 10 years ago. I now live with my LS leader. We always compare every game to FFXI. Games now are just so boring and there's no sense of accomplishment. I really feel like I had to work for something in FFXI. Today, I wish I could just buy a game with a level capped toon, crafting capped, everything done, so I could install, uninstall and be done with it.

I am looking forward to getting back into FFXIV, but SE coulda just updated FFXI and we would have been happy.



#53 Jun 20 2012 at 8:16 PM Rating: Default
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MrMissile wrote:
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There was no skill in FFXI or EQ just saying lol


Please! In some other thread you made it perfectly clear that you have a hard time making some money in FFXIV. I do not think you are the right person to tell anyone anything about skill.


Because making money in FFXIV requires skills ? Funny i have a million gil already and i started not more than a week, yes i did struggle for the first 15 levels, but it had nothing to do with skills, it had everything to do with not knowing that certain NPC in the market wards and in the bar sold low level gear for a lower price, unless finding a bargain is a skill, then STFU!! Or are you saying farming sheepskin is a skill ? Really ? Grinding a skill ? Again really ?

Btw: Somebody was showing me earlier today how broken power level is at camp lake with them raptors, i got 11 skins of them, i dint even move an inch or pressed a key, i will make around 120K off that, THAT IS SKILLS BRAH!



Wait... you let somebody explain to you how to make money when you already had a million gil after a week? You are quite something!

As for the other stuff you are writing: I sense that you are very young. Never mind then. Have fun playing in here, but remember: homework comes first, ok?

Edited, Jun 20th 2012 12:47am by MrMissile


You must be either stupid or you cant read, i said i have a million gil and i have not been playing an entire week, what part of that said, i made somebody explain to me how to make gil and i already had a million ? Assuming much ?

Also i played EQ at release.... cant be that young Smiley: lol
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#54 Jun 20 2012 at 8:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Mordeyb wrote:
Grinding was part of what made the community great.

Wait, wut? Someone who loved FF and XI admitting that there was grind in a game they like? Unprecedented.

Mordeyb wrote:
Played WoW, could level a toon to 85 in 5 casual days...boring.

I'm not gonna dispute that it's boring. Quest spam leveling usually is, but you must be talking about 5 days of playtime. No way you casually leveled from 1 to 85 from Monday to Friday unless you used the recruit feature to grant levels or something.

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Now playing Tera and it is so boring I dunno if I'll ever get to 60. And the trash talking is awful. My block list can't hold everyone on the server.

Use the chat filters. Sadly, people rarely use serverwide channels for what they're for, but you can reduce the spam just by filtering channels.
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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#55 Jun 20 2012 at 10:27 PM Rating: Decent
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I played FFXI for 5-6 years and loved it....except level 32 on BST.

It is still the game that all others are compared. There will never be another game like it. I loved it and at times I hated it and it was the best I've ever played.

I left with a 75 RDM, PLD, SAM and fully merited BST.

Grinding was part of what made the community great. I knew who I wanted to party with and I knew the asshats. I can still remember the rhyming macros of the RDM/BLM that I partied with in Cape Terrigan. I remember the jerk I helped out with COP missions.

I liked being part of a cooperative effort, not bashing other people because their playstyle is different.

Played WoW, could level a toon to 85 in 5 casual days...boring.
Played Rift for about a month...quit after capping 2 jobs.
SWtOR...just boring.
Now playing Tera and it is so boring I dunno if I'll ever get to 60. And the trash talking is awful. My block list can't hold everyone on the server.

No other game has made me laugh as hard or get as angry as FFXI. I still have friends that I made in that game 10 years ago. I now live with my LS leader. We always compare every game to FFXI. Games now are just so boring and there's no sense of accomplishment. I really feel like I had to work for something in FFXI. Today, I wish I could just buy a game with a level capped toon, crafting capped, everything done, so I could install, uninstall and be done with it.

I am looking forward to getting back into FFXIV, but SE coulda just updated FFXI and we would have been happy.




Have you done any of the Guild Wars 2 weekends? I think it might be the promised land.
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#56 Jun 21 2012 at 3:54 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm not gonna dispute that it's boring. Quest spam leveling usually is, but you must be talking about 5 days of playtime. No way you casually leveled from 1 to 85 from Monday to Friday unless you used the recruit feature to grant levels or something.


Prot pally with a healy shaman gf. Insta-Q dungeons all day. 5-6 hours after work, two 12 hour days. i don't think i really quested n that toon. never really had to leave town

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Have you done any of the Guild Wars 2 weekends? I think it might be the promised land.

I have galnced at GW2. Not really digging the character models.
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#57 Jun 21 2012 at 12:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Mordeyb wrote:
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I'm not gonna dispute that it's boring. Quest spam leveling usually is, but you must be talking about 5 days of playtime. No way you casually leveled from 1 to 85 from Monday to Friday unless you used the recruit feature to grant levels or something.


Prot pally with a healy shaman gf. Insta-Q dungeons all day. 5-6 hours after work, two 12 hour days.


12 hour gaming sprees isn't casual. Don't take it personally that I'm calling you a liar Smiley: tongue
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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#58 Jun 21 2012 at 3:19 PM Rating: Decent
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12 hour gaming sprees isn't casual.


I didn't party with you and you weren't there, so you don't know what I did and didn't do. I do have a witness to how I leveled, My GF, who also leveled 1-85 in the same amount of time. So, since I have confirmation of what I did and you do not, then I think your point is moot. Thanks for playing!
Besides, what else was there to do? All crafts were leveled, I had everything I wanted from PvE and together we had 16 capped toons I think (4priests, 4 pallys, 4 hunters, 3DKs, 2 shaman, 1 warrior, 1 druid, 1 mage) so 20 capped toons.

12 hours on two weekend days to me is casual, because I might get the chance to do that once every 6 months.

In FFXI I wasn't casual. I leveled BRD 12-53 in about 30-32 straight hours of game play. And 16 hours almost every day.

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I won't take you calling me a liar personal, if you don't take it personal when I call you a jackass^^
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#59 Jun 21 2012 at 5:41 PM Rating: Good
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Mordeyb wrote:
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12 hour gaming sprees isn't casual.


I didn't party with you and you weren't there, so you don't know what I did and didn't do. I do have a witness to how I leveled, My GF, who also leveled 1-85 in the same amount of time. So, since I have confirmation of what I did and you do not, then I think your point is moot. Thanks for playing!


Mind linking proof into that 'thanks for playing'? I didn't think so. BoAs sure, but you can't expect anyone to believe you leveled from 1-85 even in full BoA by spamming instances; especially not in 6 hours a day from monday to friday. At least come clean and admit you used RaF or SoR because there is no way in **** anyone who has tried speed leveling will believe you unless you had overnight 80 or 3x experience point bonus. What your girlfriend saw will never be an alibi on the internet, especially when making such bold claims. Screenshots will. Try again?

I get the point that WoW is easy and I agree with most of what you said, hence the rate up. Be honest though. You're lying unless you can produce proof. I'm a jackass because you make an outrageous claim you can't back up with said proof? Sure.

Edited, Jun 21st 2012 10:05pm by FilthMcNasty
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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#60 Jun 21 2012 at 5:53 PM Rating: Good
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i once leveled a hunter to 85, by one shooting a skunk in durotar... true story my gf saw it so it must be true
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#61 Jun 22 2012 at 4:28 AM Rating: Decent
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haven't played wow in almost a year, didn't screenshot anything as it wasn't a big deal.

but ya know, its not worth fighting over, you win, i'm a liar, my gf is liar....congrats

and maybe if this is what the ffxiv community has become, i really don't want to play. have we outgorwn the mmo. no, its just devolved into a cesspool of jackass.
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#62 Jun 22 2012 at 6:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Mordeyb wrote:
haven't played wow in almost a year, didn't screenshot anything as it wasn't a big deal.

but ya know, its not worth fighting over, you win, i'm a liar, my gf is liar....congrats

and maybe if this is what the ffxiv community has become, i really don't want to play. have we outgorwn the mmo. no, its just devolved into a cesspool of jackass.


I am not a representative for the XIV community. I'm just an *******. You lied, you got called out on it and now you're butthurt. I'm a jackass because I could spot that ridiculous lie? **** you. I hope your imaginary girlfriend thinks you're as cool as you do.
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Rinsui wrote:
Only hips + boobs all day and hips + boobs all over my icecream

HaibaneRenmei wrote:
30 bucks is almost free

cocodojo wrote:
Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#63 Jun 22 2012 at 10:44 AM Rating: Good
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The mmorpg outgrew the old schoolers. The whole world is full of different people. Some are physically abusive to spouses, some are deadbeat dads, & some are cesspools of jackasses. But there are alot of good people too.

Playing a game that makes you uncontent, makes you start to question why you do it. Questioning why you do it, makes you start asking strangers on forums why you do it. The strangers on the forums give you an answer you don't agree with. You begin debating on the forums on who is right or wrong. Debating on who is right or wrong leads to arguing & name calling on the internet. Arguing on the internet makes you think that some mmos are cesspools of jackasses. Don't let yourself think that everyone in mmos are cesspools of jackasses.

Edited, Jun 22nd 2012 12:45pm by sandpark

Edited, Jun 22nd 2012 12:54pm by sandpark
#64 Jun 23 2012 at 3:08 AM Rating: Good
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An FF/Dark Souls hybrid? Not only would I buy its collector's edition, I'd drink from the toxic mug that came with it.


Someone forward this to SE, it might save the JRPG genre. ****, I would play, a lot..... 330 hours in Dark Souls, an almost MMO.... I would definately prefer this over XII and XIII's battlesystem :) Dark Souls was the last game in 3 years that could grab my attention like FFXI did. Before that, Star Ocean 3. Help, save my favourite genre!!
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#65 Jun 23 2012 at 11:21 AM Rating: Default
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MonarctheFirst wrote:
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An FF/Dark Souls hybrid? Not only would I buy its collector's edition, I'd drink from the toxic mug that came with it.


Someone forward this to SE, it might save the JRPG genre. ****, I would play, a lot..... 330 hours in Dark Souls, an almost MMO.... I would definately prefer this over XII and XIII's battlesystem :) Dark Souls was the last game in 3 years that could grab my attention like FFXI did. Before that, Star Ocean 3. Help, save my favourite genre!!

You should try out Dragon's Dogma. It's not as rewarding or as difficult as the souls series. But it has some interesting enemies & some interesting environments. I love doing incapacitations in the game & scaling bosses bodies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGlgpncvNps

I agree with the 7/10 score but I still had alot of fun. Just wish the combat was more weighty like Dark Souls and less hack n slash. I found myself able to button mash to victory on too many occasions.
#66 Jun 23 2012 at 3:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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MonarctheFirst wrote:
Xoie wrote:
An FF/Dark Souls hybrid? Not only would I buy its collector's edition, I'd drink from the toxic mug that came with it.


Someone forward this to SE, it might save the JRPG genre. ****, I would play, a lot..... 330 hours in Dark Souls, an almost MMO.... I would definately prefer this over XII and XIII's battlesystem :) Dark Souls was the last game in 3 years that could grab my attention like FFXI did. Before that, Star Ocean 3. Help, save my favourite genre!!


I hear ya. I've put in a ridiculous amount of hours into Dark Souls, trying different builds, low-level challenges, even watching fight videos, and learning not to get "lag-stabbed" so much. There's nothing quite so thrilling as pulling off an upset when you're outnumbered 2 or 3 to 1 in PvP. Mix this with FF, and I'd need an intervention. Smiley: lol If FFXIV had an action-based combat system, I would have been in trouble.
#67 Jun 26 2012 at 10:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Me too :) It was so much fun trying a level 1 Path of the Dragon only run, still stuck at Ornstein and Smough, but at a certain point the single player content is done haha ;) Dragon's Dogma, eh, no thanks man. You're right, it deserves a 7 for all that it's supposed to be offering, I just got stuck in some interface issues like saving, pawn everything, etc. Wrote up a faq actually that I didn't want to modify cause of spoilers for Gamefaqs. It's a good-great game, if you can ignore it flaws, if you can't, you're looking at a meager 5/10 in my opinion.

The amount of attention and detail that went into Dark Souls, gameplay, interface, the visuals you name it, was so expertly crafted that there just wasn't a case of whether something worked or not, no, it was do you like it or not? If a game can do that, I will be rooting for it, which in my case used to be FFXI, before they completely ignored the hardcore players and made everything easy-casual by upping the level cap and not increased the challenge.

Now looking at the later updates in FFXI, not to mention the addition of a new add-on, as mentioned on neoGaf, I would say SE has some idea how to do it. Implement hardcore content like the level 99 Odin battle, let the hardcore get specific drops for that battle that not outweigh the casual gear drops by that much and you got my vote. You NEED hardcore content, SE expertly cut their playerbase in half, if not more because of the level cap increase and Abyssea releases. I see the need for casual content, yes, grinding gets old at a certain point, Magian Trials bored me to death, but I see the need for it considering the current playerbase in the world. People have less time to play, and want to have more fun in less time, so you need to speed things up a bit. Dragon's Dogma is a good example, it's casual enough for people to get into it, but in my opinion lacks a hardcore approach, the battle engine doesn't lend itself, with pawns, to hardcore content, only more grinding and powerful weapons to overcome foes.

Someone mentioned that games require no skill, I disagree. Yes, you can follow wiki's to supply you with different setups and how to work it, but implementing specific setups strategies, while most of your playerbase is used to do it differently, requires a lot of skill in co-ordinating (sp?). That's what I liked most. And yes, it required skill by all players, maybe knowledge if you want to call it that, but knowing exactly what Each job does in battle when you're not used to it Does require skill. I only trusted certain players, who knew my playstyle, in airship battles (old difficulty), don't tell me that was easy, cause it wasn't. At all. I had loads of problems leading casual players through that battle, while I had no difficulty with experienced players, even if they didn't know how to do the airship fight, they knew the jobs, they knew the timing of their skillset and how to work the enemy. You have to know how each player works their job and how the rest of your party responds to such tactics. Good example: Dynamis-Xarcabard old skool. 4 white mages, but a shortage on sleepers, refreshers and whatnot. One Whm was very skilled at sleeping, knew the timing of the pulls, which mobs would wake first, how long his sleeps would last on any mob. He helped with sleeping, I assisted him and focused on using -na spells with him. The other 2 Whm played their original role within normal party setups. What I mean to say is knowing what is needed and react to certain situations without an ideal setup requires skill. A lot. Also understanding from your linkshell to know exactly what you are doing. We got a remark:"Wth are you doing? Stick to your original role". Trouble was, the leaders saw what we were doing and thought we were valuable by doing so. Heck, I even sack-pulled as Smn in some Dynamis cause people screwed strats up. Good example: Dynamis Jeuno. I sack pulled the boss in the last few minutes, cause no one did or knew how to, or screwed it up. Applying knowledge while not being in the right job is fun, and versatile.

My point? Give me hardcore content, and I'll play MMO's again, that doesn't have to be timesink content, while that is still needed to give people who play a lot enough to do. I'm glad Dark Souls filled that need for me, now I need the next game to give me that much challenge and fun, tailored to my preferences.

Edited, Jun 26th 2012 7:05pm by MonarctheFirst
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