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#1 Jul 10 2012 at 3:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Well according to Yoshida there introducing a new benchmark and a few other things.......i hope with this this take into account that not every person can afford a high end gaming pc console to run this game.
#2 Jul 11 2012 at 12:16 AM Rating: Decent
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If you have 2 arms and 2 legs you can work and build a pc. Let's stop catering to systems from the year 2000 and build a quality looking game.

If they went with a stylized look like that of FF Tactics (ala WoW) they could have successfully done this. The look they're going for is going to require a high end machine to run on high settings. A dual core with a 9800gt will still run it though. I'm fairly sure it has been stated that the pictures we've seen were taken on this set up.

*edit: The current game doesn't lag on most PCs because of it's incredible graphics but because of it's horrendous engine. They really failed with it.

Edited, Jul 11th 2012 2:20am by Transmigration
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#3 Jul 11 2012 at 1:09 AM Rating: Good
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sabbas wrote:
.......i hope with this this take into account that not every person can afford a high end gaming pc console to run this game with all settings on high.


Amended to what you really ment with that little dig.

My PC cost me £500, I have a very average GFX card ATI HD6670 that cost me £60 and I can run the game easily with all settings at normal. I dont get it when people say ZOMG I CANNOT PLAY NEED UBER POWERFUL PC.......... The game looks great even at normal settings.
#4 Jul 11 2012 at 2:33 AM Rating: Good
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The engine is kind of crappy, so it's hard to reach max settings even with a good computer.
#5 Jul 11 2012 at 2:48 PM Rating: Default
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Transmigration wrote:
If you have 2 arms and 2 legs you can work and build a pc. Let's stop catering to systems from the year 2000 and build a quality looking game.

If they went with a stylized look like that of FF Tactics (ala WoW) they could have successfully done this. The look they're going for is going to require a high end machine to run on high settings. A dual core with a 9800gt will still run it though. I'm fairly sure it has been stated that the pictures we've seen were taken on this set up.

*edit: The current game doesn't lag on most PCs because of it's incredible graphics but because of it's horrendous engine. They really failed with it.

Edited, Jul 11th 2012 2:20am by Transmigration



I bought my computer in 2011 and from what your saying is to play this game i must upgrade again and build a PC....I think not and i don't own a ps3 atm....so please dont mistake for a min i'm talking about some prehistoric system here.

Its good you got a great system to play the game, but not everyone does and certainly not everyone whos playing the game thought about buying a system "just" to play this game......
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I built my system in 2011, with my own two hands, and it has a graphics card that is powerful enough to run the majority of games at high to very high graphics. But not FFXIV in its current form. I had to dummy down my graphics just a bit.

I think what we are saying is that a relatively new system with a new $75 video card ought to be able to play FFXIV on at least standard graphics. I shouldn't have to run out and spent $300 on a video card for one game.

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#7 Jul 11 2012 at 3:06 PM Rating: Good
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sabbas wrote:
Transmigration wrote:
If you have 2 arms and 2 legs you can work and build a pc. Let's stop catering to systems from the year 2000 and build a quality looking game.

If they went with a stylized look like that of FF Tactics (ala WoW) they could have successfully done this. The look they're going for is going to require a high end machine to run on high settings. A dual core with a 9800gt will still run it though. I'm fairly sure it has been stated that the pictures we've seen were taken on this set up.

*edit: The current game doesn't lag on most PCs because of it's incredible graphics but because of it's horrendous engine. They really failed with it.

Edited, Jul 11th 2012 2:20am by Transmigration



I bought my computer in 2011 and from what your saying is to play this game i must upgrade again and build a PC....I think not and i don't own a ps3 atm....so please dont mistake for a min i'm talking about some prehistoric system here.

Its good you got a great system to play the game, but not everyone does and certainly not everyone whos playing the game thought about buying a system "just" to play this game......


I'm pretty sure that what he was meaning is that any newer system should be able to run the game. If you bought an application system vs a gaming/media system, then you likely would be fine with a simple upgrade to your GPU... I know I picked up a HD6850 for dirt cheap the other day and my game went from chopping on medium settings to smooth (most of the time lol) on high setting. I would still hold off on buying components if you don't plan on using the PC for any other games though... wait until you know what will get you running optimally for the lowest price tag once some testing is done with the new engine.
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#8 Jul 12 2012 at 6:28 AM Rating: Good
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This is a problem you'll always run into when you do any kind of gaming on a PC. What SE needs to do is make sure the game runs at about the same level of detail on the same systems as other comparable games. What really ****** people off when FFXIV was launched their system could run Crysis with max settings no problem but FFXIV run like crap. They need to make sure the new graphics engine is optimized as much as possible.

No matter what though, some graphics cards will not run at the level of detail you want or sometimes even at all. That's just the nature of PC gaming.

Edited, Jul 12th 2012 8:30am by reptiletim
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#9 Jul 12 2012 at 2:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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When you bought your PC is irrelevant. What PC components you bought is was matters. If you go out and waste money on some pos prebuilt from Bestbuy, you're going to struggle playing games. The same money spent on individual parts that can be put together in under an hour would give you twice the performance. I built my PC a year before XIV came out and I can still run it on high settings, garbage engine and all. If you're a console gamer, it's as simple as going out and buying a PS3 or 360. PC gaming on the other hand requires more knowledge of technology. Nothing you can't learn in a day on youtube.

It's no different than any other hobby. If you're into motorsports, you better know how to work on your car. If you're into biking, you better know how to build a bike. Unless you have a whole bunch of money, you have to learn to DIY eventually.

Edited, Jul 12th 2012 4:26pm by Transmigration
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#10 Jul 12 2012 at 2:29 PM Rating: Excellent
catwho wrote:
I shouldn't have to run out and spent $300 on a new video card for one game.

Edited, Jul 11th 2012 5:29pm by catwho



This. Smiley: nod

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Edited, Jul 12th 2012 4:30pm by Kreacher
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Kreacher wrote:
catwho wrote:
I shouldn't have to run out and spent $300 on a new video card for this game.

Edited, Jul 11th 2012 5:29pm by catwho



This. Smiley: nod

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Fixed again. Smiley: nod

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#12 Jul 13 2012 at 12:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Even so, I think that this game should work on any computer, pre-built or built by yourself. I got this laptop and I bought it after checking if it could run Sims 3 and then this game, I finally got it to work even in Standard, Idk how but I can play it well and it runs amazingly. But I wish I didn't have to run around forums looking for a way to fix it, they should make the game for any computer.
#13 Jul 13 2012 at 9:19 AM Rating: Good
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The issue with building something that can run on ANY computer is that there are tons of different components and configurations out there... in order to optimize for all past, current and potentially future configurations would take way more effor than it is worth. Instead, they take the middle road, and design it based on the most common of components and set a range of expectations for users.

On a console, they know exactly what they are working with and can focus on optimization all that much easier.

and please don't compare the SIM3 to something like this... that makes my head hurt :(
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#14 Jul 17 2012 at 2:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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Just thought I'd chime in on the engine crappy-ness discussion (of the current engine). Yes it looks great, the Shaders and geometry LOD is very nice. But the main reason it lags isn't because of the quality, it's because of one simple thing: No occlusion culling.

To explain, most logically made game engines, automatically do not process things behind walls. This means you don't waste time processing objects that are not even going to be visible on screen in that moment. This current engine does NOT do that, at all... I discovered this truth, to my confusion, while mining. Normally the game runs a little bit sluggish for me, so the mining circle would sometimes be choppy and slow to react. I found that if i turn my camera to overhead, facing the ground, performance became smooth as silk. This is because there is nothing to process below the ground, and you see the performance boost that would be there at all times if the engine was doing occlusion. Facing a wall will not help that way (unless that wall is at the edge of a zone) because even though you may just be staring at a simple wall, the game is processing the entire zone on the other side of it for no reason...

Long story short: This engine doesn't even clip out objects that are not currently visible. The most basic optimization technique, amazingly missing from this engine. Let's hope they at least have those basics in place for 2.0

Edited, Jul 17th 2012 4:04pm by RattyBatty
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#15 Jul 18 2012 at 7:38 AM Rating: Decent
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My older pc ran FFXIV fine on medium and 1280x1024 resolution:

core 2 duo e7200 (2.53ghz)
2gig ram ddr 2 800
windows xp sp3
geforce 450gts

How much would you pay for this configuration nowadays? You don't need to buy a powerhouse pc for FFXIV.
#16 Jul 18 2012 at 10:28 AM Rating: Good
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Smiley: lol The lower the requirements the more people they can attract.... no sense in having a pretty looking MMO(Like for the past 2 years) if everything else in the game is broken.....
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#17KaizeruRyuu, Posted: Oct 13 2012 at 12:35 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Some of you people seem to think that because you can't play the game on maxed out setting the people who have a more powerful PC (like myself) should have to suffer, I give for you a perfect example:
#18 Oct 13 2012 at 1:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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KaizeruRyuu wrote:
Some of you people seem to think that because you can't play the game on maxed out setting the people who have a more powerful PC (like myself) should have to suffer


I'm pretty sure you're the only one thinking that. In other words:

Making the game accessible to lower performance PCs != Lower the quality on high end machines. In fact, it should only improve the quality of the game on high end machines since the missing optimizations that need to be there for low end devices should allow good GPUs to push the boundaries even further.

Also, the more machines FFXIV can run on, the more players can actually play the game, and the better chance your expensive rig will actually be able to see FFXIV running because it hasn't shut down for lack of players. So, really, this is not a waste of time at all, but rather entirely in your best interest in every way.
#19 Oct 13 2012 at 3:47 PM Rating: Default
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Whether or not the population is big, I doubt (seriously doubt) that after all this work that the game will shut down, before that happens I think Squeenix will make the game free to play, and now there is going to be an option to play the game on consoles further detracts from the chance that the servers will shut down due to people not being able to play the game on a more powerful PC, as all they have to do is play it on their consoles, leaving the high graphical settings to people who have spent a lot of money on their powerful gaming rigs.

Also if they "dumb down" the graphics, who is to say that the settings I could achieve on the game pre closure will match the game if I can play 2.0 on max settings with my current rig, no one can say as I never got the chance to play the game before the servers closed, so there is no way to tell if my settings (high with 1920x1080 resolution) will match.
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Squeenix has stated that if you are able to play FFXIV 1.0 on 2.0 your machine will see an increase in performance, so if you are able to already play on max, on 2.0 you will play on max. They have optimized the engine for lower performance machines, so that they can also play the game.

Is a win win
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