I won't discuss every point, but here are two great examples of how you operate:
True, My reply was:
Here you are indeed correct. People didn't want to get billed, so they left. True.
I bolded the correct part for you. If service is free, why would people proactively leave? They were not being billed anything, nor was there any information suggesting that they would be billed any time soon. Do you get it now? People leaving had nothing to do with (non-existent)billing and everything to do with not enjoying the game.
We were talking about what made SE decide to fix the game. You said:
To be fair, all the whining you are referring to is what set SE in action to fix the mess in the first place. If instead all the knights and cheerleaders had their way and no one complained, SE would continue along like there were no issues.
They had a bad game, People left. only then they stopped charging people and told them that they would try to make the game worth paying for.
Now I should have said that people left because they did not want to be charged. That the game was so bad that not charging players did not prevent them from leaving anyway has nothing to do
with the issue we were discussing: was whining the main contributor to SE’s decision to change the game. We were NOT discussing when people were charge dor not. It is not even relevant
Nice decoy move, but no.
And just right now you come up with money. Money is not
whining on the forum. People leaving the game, people not buying the game IS money. Complaints on the forum will indeed hurt a reputation. However, do two years of whining about a bad release still chip in, with 2.0 knocking at the door?
I don’t think so.
And then, when I point out the difference between your first (whining) and second (money) main reason, you want to conclude with:
SE is a business and has a bottom line. If people are not happy, they will not play the game. If people aren't playing the game when it's free, why would you expect them to pay for it? See how it all comes together?
Are you asking me? Some nerve!! Instead of that you could have said: "Woof, of course I was bs’ing when I wrote that whining made SE decide to take action. I was only justifying my hundreds of posts in where I complain knowing that SE is already bleeding for their mistake and is trying to solve things as good as they can."
Anyway, now that we have established (or at least we agreed) that it’s indeed money
(and reputation as well, but mostly money) and not repetative whining on ZAM that made SE take action, I can go back to the reason why you are still on ZAM complaining about a game you do not even play anymore.
“Genuine interest, I still hope FFXIV becomes succesful” you say.
And I doubt that. People who show genuine interest in their ex-gf do not go tell people what a ***** she is, what a idiot her new bf is and how far her *** has become. That’s hatred. And you are expressing the exact same thing.
I think we made a lot of progress today Filth. But I am done now. I have a life, you know,. And oh, I also play FFXIV at times.