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#1 Jul 24 2012 at 7:06 AM Rating: Default
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What I have now:

Intel Quad Core CPU
2 GB memory
1GB video card

game runs GREAT outside of town but lags hard inside of town!

I just built my son a PC to play FFXIV and I used AMD CPU (about 99.00), 4 GB memory, basic MB, and 1 GB video card (about 100.00) His doesn't lag at all!

Now my question if I was told to switch to AMD for FFXIV, so I came up with the following (and my budget)

AMD Black Edition 8 core CPU (200.00)
Asus 100.00 MB
16GB memory (about 130.00)
2GB video card (about 150.00)

so can anyone agree I am choosing decent item for my new build? Or is there something I should change?

Thanks, for any input!
#2 Jul 24 2012 at 2:02 PM Rating: Decent
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you havent really told use anything as building a PC isnt about picking "numbers"

AMD isnt better than intel (or vice versa, im no fanboy) that isnt going to get rid of the lag. More cores doesn't equal more performance and the same applies to speed. higher Ghz does not mean its necessarily quicker.

16GB is RAM is crazy for gaming as just about every game bar a few exceptions are 32-bit (FFXIV is 32-bit) so the application is generally limited to use no more than 3GB of RAM (windows can use 4GB total including Video RAM if its 32-bit, 64-bit can use 16TB). So 8GB will perform the same as 16GB as would 32GB. 8GB is the sweet spot at the minute as it cheap and games have as much RAM as they need and you have plenty free for other applications running at the same time. Also speed must be considered and 1600mhz is again the sweet spot as anything higher doesn't provide a real world benefit, only benchmarks and RAM intensive programs will show any increase.

The same applies to video cards its not about the numbers its about the performance when actually playing games. A 1GB video card could be anything from a rubbish card to great card capable of playing all the latest games @ 1920x1080.

I have no idea what ASUS 100mb is ?

whats your budget and what resolution are you aiming to play at ?

to get the ball rolling and the minimum i would suggest for a new but capable gaming machine is;

Case: Antec 100 (plain but good cooling and not expensive)
PSU: a GOOD branded PSU like Enermax, Be quiet, Antec, seasonic etc. 500W model.
CPU: intel i3 2120 - very quick dual core CPU costing £95 sterling (sorry im uk)
RAM: decent brand - crucial, corsair etc 4GB of DDR1600mhz
Graphics: AMD 6870 1GB - this is a bargin at the minute and offers very good performance for resolutions up to 1920x1080
HDD: decent 1TB HDD although an SDD would be much preferred if you have the budget
Optical: any DVD writer really
OS: windows 7 home premium 64-bit

All that can be had for less than £550 and offers good performance and excellent value for gaming

thats a starting point but as i said without knowing what your budget is and what resolution you would like to play at its hard to suggests kit. We could look at a decent quad core CPU such as intel i5 3570K, 8GB of RAM and a better graphics cards and a good SDD.

hope this help


#3 Jul 24 2012 at 2:09 PM Rating: Decent
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-My understanding is that Intel CPUs are vastly superior, clock for clock, over anything AMD has to offer. The tradeoff is that Intel is significantly more expensive than AMD. AMD does offer a lot of cores for not much money though and I believe FFXIV does multithread fairly well.

-Asus makes good motherboards. I have used ASUS for 5 years and have not had any issues.

-16 GB is memory is good. Memory prices are set to rise a bit this year so you might as well get it while it's cheap.

-Which video card are you looking at specifically? There are lots of video cards with 2 GB of frame buffer, some good, some not so good. I would recommend spending an extra $50-$60 and purchasing something like a Nvidia GTX 560 Ti or an AMD 7850. Anything less than that is not likely to be able to run the current engine smoothly.

-If you can afford it, look into purchasing a solid state disk. They have come down in price significantly. I saw a 120 GB drive on sale today for $65 after rebate (on Newegg). For comparison, I purchased my 120 GB drive for $220 about a year ago. This is the single biggest upgrade you can make for overall system responsiveness. Once you go SSD you will never go back.

Hope this helps,

#4 Jul 24 2012 at 2:22 PM Rating: Good
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Core I5 3570K (unlocked Ivy Bridge) for CPU will set you back ~£150 and is at the moment the most cost efficient CPU you can buy. You could splash out another £80 to get the I7 3770K version but at almost half as much again in cost, the gains are only a few FPS (2-10 usually, varies but not much) gains on identical test systems. There is minimal cost difference between Ivy and Sandy Bridge, so you might as well take advantage of the newer Ivy Bridge architecture which offer a bit of extra oomph with a lot less power consumption.

You can get a socket 1155 motherboard using the new Z77 chipset for ~£70 at budget end, which again is worth it and will last you a lot longer than a Z68. If you can spare ~£150 you could get the Asus V8Z77-V Pro board which while a little pricy for a motherboard is fantastic, and will last you a good while with plenty of room to grow.

RAM is cheap chips at the moment. 8gb of DDR3 will cost you about £40. You could get 16gb if you wanted, but as has been said above its pretty much superfluous at the moment, and when you do want to have more its probably going to be cheaper than what it is at the moment! RAM is one of those components that you bulk up on when you need do, due to the market value on them falling constantly.

I agree with Applesnacks last point too, you should definately look at an SSD given their prices at the moment. If you want bulk store go for a cheaper slower spin disk, though the prices on there are quite high since the flooding and show no sign of coming down. SSDs do give great improvement though, worth it for sure!

Edited, Jul 24th 2012 4:25pm by Kordain
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#5 Aug 07 2012 at 2:56 PM Rating: Good
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16 gb of ram is overkill. I would go for 8 gb of a more established brand or more performance. I made the misake once to buy alot of low branded cheap ram to save money and I wont do it again.
#6 Aug 07 2012 at 7:48 PM Rating: Default
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Wait until 2.0 is actually released. SE is nerfing the graphics engine so it's probable that your current hardware will work much better than it does now. No one here has a crystal ball to look into the future so save your pennies until launch.
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