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#1 Oct 18 2012 at 6:00 PM Rating: Default
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This has probably been posted and/or discussed somewhere already but look at these recommended specs. Before looking though, my general rule of thumb regarding specs is that if you want to run the game at highest level you generally need a fair amount of horsepower beyond even the recommended specs. I have posted Square's *recommended specs* below:

OS Windows® 7 64 bit
CPU Intel® Core™ i5
Memory 4GB
Available space on hard disk/SSD 20GB
Graphics Card NVIDIA® Geforce® GTX 5xx Series
Screen resolution 1920x1080
Connection type Fiber optic
Connection speed 100Mbps


Realistically I would say to run the game balls to the wall you want no less than 8 gb of ram (probably 16), the newest graphics card out there, and probably a fairly robust processor (moreso than the Core i5). But wait a minute, before you shoot me down here, take a look at one thing that really bothers me in the *recommended specs*. I have bolded it for you.

Does Square realize that Fiber Optic connection is still pretty sparse even in big cities in America? Is this going to make gameplay lag for those of us with a measely 50mb cable connection lol?
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#2 Oct 18 2012 at 10:17 PM Rating: Good
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Realistically I would say to run the game balls to the wall you want no less than 8 gb of ram (probably 16)

What exactly would you need 16GB for?
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the newest graphics card out there

The graphics engine is getting nerfed. x70 and x770 ran the game before at moderately high settings. Why would you suggest the latest greatest?
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Does Square realize that Fiber Optic connection is still pretty sparse even in big cities in America?

They do, but they don't care. They probably figure that people realize that you could probably get by on a bare minimum DSL or Cable package. I'd assume the suggested specs are what you would want to have to avoid several hour wait times on large updates or client download.
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I see that you're trying to be helpful, but to agree with the first reply, your speculation is sort of baseless. 8-16GB of RAM to play any current PC game is overkill. For John Q User, 4GB is more than enough RAM for anything you'll throw at your PC daily.

"The Newest Graphics Card Out there" is not even slightly indicative of how that particular market operates. As with most PC hardware, newer does not equate to "better" or "more powerful".

Also, I've been running the current build on a Phenom II since closed beta, and I've had very little issues with my CPU ever being too taxed to handle the game while it's running. The alpha recruitment site doesn't specify particular models or even clock speeds for CPUs; they just mention manufacturers which basically means nothing.

If you're really serious about building any new computer, particularly for gaming, the most important thing you can do is research. tomshardware.com is one example of an excellent resource where you can get comparisons between several different pieces of hardware tested in a variety of different ways. So, even though you might not get the highest performing stuff out there, you can get the best deal for the money.
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Recommended and required are two different things
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Anyone have a link to where an official said the graphics would be getting nerfed? The only nerf in graphics that I am aware of is that they will have to split regions into more zones, like in FFXI, because the whole no loading screen gimic relied heavily on instancing/reusing geometry in the different regions. IMO most of the graphics in the current game except the character models, are all pretty poor. Aside from the heavy landscape instancing, there are a lot cases of of poor shadowing, poor texture handling, poor handling of loading assets. A nerf would imply that the current graphics engine was really powerful, but it clearly isn't.
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I think the assumption is that graphics will be nerfed because the new engine is optimized for the PS3.

I think people might be overreacting a bit personally.

Edited, Oct 19th 2012 7:35am by Wint
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I see that you're trying to be helpful, but to agree with the first reply, your speculation is sort of baseless. 8-16GB of RAM to play any current PC game is overkill. For John Q User, 4GB is more than enough RAM for anything you'll throw at your PC daily.

"The Newest Graphics Card Out there" is not even slightly indicative of how that particular market operates. As with most PC hardware, newer does not equate to "better" or "more powerful".

Also, I've been running the current build on a Phenom II since closed beta, and I've had very little issues with my CPU ever being too taxed to handle the game while it's running. The alpha recruitment site doesn't specify particular models or even clock speeds for CPUs; they just mention manufacturers which basically means nothing.

If you're really serious about building any new computer, particularly for gaming, the most important thing you can do is research. tomshardware.com is one example of an excellent resource where you can get comparisons between several different pieces of hardware tested in a variety of different ways. So, even though you might not get the highest performing stuff out there, you can get the best deal for the money.


Well generally speaking you need above the recommended. My recommended may be off but still, recommended usually will run fine but you won't be able to run it maxed out. They don't put specs for running it that way because they can only have 2 - Required and Recommended. If recommended was what was required to play it with everything turned all the way up everyone would be turned off when they read the specs. So, again, I'm speaking sort of from general experience. My computer current meets the recommended specs of FFXIV 1.0 but it runs like trash with everything turned on. Granted, that has alot to do with the poor design and coding of it, but my main theme is correct I believe which is: If you want to run 2.0 MAXED OUT as pretty as it can be, you will likely need a decent amount of power above the "recommended".

....but I digress. The purpose of this was really to point out the recommendation of Fiber Optic connection, which is a very small percentage of the country. I work for an ISP that I won't name for obvious reasons but it is knowing how small of a consumer base has Fiber Optics that makes me wonder why they put it as "recommended".
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TurboTom wrote:
I see that you're trying to be helpful, but to agree with the first reply, your speculation is sort of baseless. 8-16GB of RAM to play any current PC game is overkill. For John Q User, 4GB is more than enough RAM for anything you'll throw at your PC daily.


Over 5 years ago and on a solely 32-bit process operating system? Yes.

Today on a 64-bit? No.
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Alpha specs are generally overkill, it's to minimize potential issues. We've debated about this here and on the lodestone.
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I believe they've stated that for initial round of alpha's they're using JP players
where the fiber is plentiful and 100Mbps is probably the lowest tier of service
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TurboTom wrote:
I see that you're trying to be helpful, but to agree with the first reply, your speculation is sort of baseless. 8-16GB of RAM to play any current PC game is overkill. For John Q User, 4GB is more than enough RAM for anything you'll throw at your PC daily.


Over 5 years ago and on a solely 32-bit process operating system? Yes.

Today on a 64-bit? No.

Just because 64-bit allows you to take advantage of more RAM doesn't mean the programs you run actually put it to use. So Win7 can see all 16GB of RAM you have. Good luck trying to prove that XIV would use anything close to that much memory.



Edited, Oct 19th 2012 11:56pm by FilthMcNasty
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I think the assumption is that graphics will be nerfed because the new engine is optimized for the PS3.

I think people might be overreacting a bit personally.

Edited, Oct 19th 2012 7:35am by Wint


I agree whole heartedly. They may have changed the graphics a little bit, but they have yet to show what the graphics look like with all the highest settings turned on on their finished product. This, of course, will not be for another several months, so they will only get better. In the situation where you might be looking at the ps3 graphics, they have already said that they wont be as good as the pc graphics due to memory limitations on the ps3. People really shouldn't compare the ps3 graphics to the pc graphics b/c they will never be better. If it hasn't started already, I"m sure it will at some point.

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TurboTom wrote:
I see that you're trying to be helpful, but to agree with the first reply, your speculation is sort of baseless. 8-16GB of RAM to play any current PC game is overkill. For John Q User, 4GB is more than enough RAM for anything you'll throw at your PC daily.


Over 5 years ago and on a solely 32-bit process operating system? Yes.

Today on a 64-bit? No.


I've been running ffxiv since open beta on 4 GB of ram and my game runs more smoothly than pretty much everyone else I know. It was a pumped up computer 2 years ago, but now it's starting to show its age power wise, but it's still running perfectly smooth with very little stuttering with all settings on high except for the one that would cause all computers to run horrible. I forget what it was called. Ambient occlusion maybe? I forget. I turned it off after launch and never looked back.
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Does Square realize that Fiber Optic connection is still pretty sparse even in big cities in America? Is this going to make gameplay lag for those of us with a measely 50mb cable connection lol?


At least it isn't one of your blogs.......

And as you have been told on the official forums as well, and as discussed and flogged until the horse was dead, this connection is for Alpha only, The windows for alpha testing are small so they want to make sure that everyone has the ability to download the client and test it within the window.
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At least it isn't one of your blogs.......



Wow it didn't take long to get a hater. Are you going to be one of those people that will keep reading it though just to see what you don't like about it? If you don't like my blog, guess what? Don't read it.

There are plenty of others who have given me nothing but positive feedback.
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And as you have been told on the official forums as well, and as discussed and flogged until the horse was dead, this connection is for Alpha only, The windows for alpha testing are small so they want to make sure that everyone has the ability to download the client and test it within the window.

No no, absolutamente no. The client is made available for download well before the testing windows. I was a wave 1 tester for XIV 1.0 alpha and I can say from experience that there was a period of several days that you could download the client prior to the test periods.
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At least it isn't one of your blogs.......



Wow it didn't take long to get a hater. Are you going to be one of those people that will keep reading it though just to see what you don't like about it? If you don't like my blog, guess what? Don't read it.

There are plenty of others who have given me nothing but positive feedback.


Don't worry I don't. But I would like to be able to log in to one forum without one of your annoying dead beat posts, albeit here or on the official forums.
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But I would like to be able to log in to one forum without one of your annoying dead beat posts, albeit here or on the official forums.

If you don't want to find a place where people voice an opinion that offends you, annoys your or has otherwise adverse affects on you... you should probably uninstall the internets.
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But I would like to be able to log in to one forum without one of your annoying dead beat posts, albeit here or on the official forums.

If you don't want to find a place where people voice an opinion that offends you, annoys your or has otherwise adverse affects on you... you should probably uninstall the internets.


I'll agree widat Filth. Gotta love the interwebs. Everyone thinks they are superman but in reality he probably cowers if the barrista at Starbucks makes his chai tea latte to strong.

Same point as before RampagingPants. If you don't like my blog, don't read it. If you think one of my posts may contain a link , don't read it. If you want to take all this anger out on your wife or girlfriend, DO IT. I'm sure they're used to it by now.
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Square have a long history of loweing the standard to the weakest platform, makes updates cheaper and easier. Guarantee they will do the same here.
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RAM is one of those things that you can never have enough of. I've got 16 gigs in my system, but that's because I snagged a brilliant deal off NewEgg and got four 4 gig sticks for about $60 total. And yet, I'm not running anything more intensive than Chrome, and it's sucking up 3.2 GB between that and my OS right now.

SQL is actually the worst culprit on Windows machines. If you have anything using Microsoft SQL, and you'd be surprised what apps will install that sometimes, it will fill up any and all available RAM unless you specifically tell it to stop at a certain point. Nothing more annoying than misconfigured SQL on a server and it's getting hammered with 95% RAM usage out of 16 GB of physical memory...
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1.0 runs like a trainwreck on my computer which plays other current games perfectly fine. I wouldn't be surprised if the optimized game engine with lower specs will look better than the current one.
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Yea 1.0 runs pretty poorly. My machine has played all sorts of games in cluding BF3 Deus Ex: Human Revolution, and Batman Arkham City a with every setting maxed out. Sure I get a little graphical lag here and there but FFXIV 1.0 runs poorly on just about any setting.
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#23 Oct 21 2012 at 9:56 PM Rating: Default
I don't get it, why are people being defaulted for saying 1.0 doesn't run well?

I built a PC about a year ago, cost me 3 grand, I mainly built it for FF14 and other games presumably.

I thought the rig was gonna kick FF14's *** in terms of performance but no no no...

I could only set a few things on Max Settings, while others around 6 or 7, if I set everything on max the game either crashes or lags like my rig is built from the end of the 20th century.

So please don't White Knight 1.0...

And to the OP, well, it's not Japan's fault that the U.S. consumer/public telecommunication infrastructure has been the World's leading **** nugget for more than a few decades.

So 100mpbs is really probably the most basic package that their ISP are offering. Having said that, I wouldn't worry about it too much.

I don't think SE is going to want this game die a second time here in U.S., so they must factor in that most U.S. residents do not have access to fiber optic connections, so the game will likely be optimized to perform on ADSL and such.

What worries me about the spec you posted, is not the connection speed. I know SE is not that stupid, they would never make a game that is required to run on 100mpbs fiber optic line. So, what worries me is not the CPU or anything else either. It's the graphic card recommendation you listed.

I'm curious where you found this spec data, if it is official from SE, well oh my... a friggin' GTX 5xx series is recommended? That is pretty crazy, even if it's just Alpha stage...
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Square have a long history of loweing the standard to the weakest platform, makes updates cheaper and easier. Guarantee they will do the same here.

Pretty much the reason why PS3 was postponed in the first place. SE realized that it was easier to port from PS2(PS3 in this case) to PC. Most people build from the bottom up and they found out(the hard way) exactly why it's done like that.

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RAM is one of those things that you can never have enough of.

Pointless RAM is pointless. Humor me here. Why do you think it is that we haven't progressed beyond CD quality sound for listening to music? The human ear can't distinguish past a certain limit. Why do you think companies aren't yet marketing yottabyte hard drives? We don't have any sort of media that will fill that kind of space. It's great to get a deal on RAM or a hard drive, but if you're limited in how much performance you can get out RAM or the space you'd actually use on a hard drive... what is the purpose?

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I don't get it, why are people being defaulted for saying 1.0 doesn't run well?

And to the OP, well, it's not Japan's fault that the U.S. consumer/public telecommunication infrastructure has been the World's leading sh*t nugget for more than a few decades.

People here are really sensitive about FF. Even if you're clear in stating that you adore FF and specifically state that all you have a problem with is the graphics engine performance.. people take it as bashing.
In the states I think T-mobile is promoting 4G like it's the next big thing. Japan was rolling out 5g something like 7 or 8 years ago if I recall correctly. They probably consider anything less then 100mbps to be along the same lines as we would consider 28.8k dialup. Weeee eeeerrrrrr PING ping PING kssssshhhhhhhhhh blip blip
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I'm curious where you found this spec data, if it is official from SE, well oh my... a friggin' GTX 5xx series is recommended? That is pretty crazy, even if it's just Alpha stage...



That information was gathered from the FFXIV alpha test registration site. If you google "FFXIV alpha application" you can find it. I assume it was recommended because of the engine not being optimized yet. But still...
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I assume it was recommended because of the engine not being optimized yet. But still...


They're in Cahoots with nVidia, they'll always recommend the highest-end card because they're business partners.
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I assume it was recommended because of the engine not being optimized yet. But still...


They're in Cahoots with nVidia, they'll always recommend the highest-end card because they're business partners.



That makes sense too. "PLAYS BEST ON NVIDIA" yea I see what you're saying.
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I've briefly tried to find the interview, but I remember reading an interview from 2-3 weeks ago that yoshi-p specifically said that they put that as the recommended connection speed because they wanted to try and get as many connection speeds as possible. He understands that most players will not meet the fiber optic recommended connection type. I can continue looking for this interview after I get some sleep if it's really that big of a deal. I was a long night at work.
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I assume it was recommended because of the engine not being optimized yet. But still...


They're in Cahoots with nVidia, they'll always recommend the highest-end card because they're business partners.



That makes sense too. "PLAYS BEST ON NVIDIA" yea I see what you're saying.
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RAM is one of those things that you can never have enough of.

Pointless RAM is pointless. Humor me here. Why do you think it is that we haven't progressed beyond CD quality sound for listening to music? The human ear can't distinguish past a certain limit.


We haven't?

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Why do you think companies aren't yet marketing yottabyte hard drives? We don't have any sort of media that will fill that kind of space.


You're right, there's not enough data in the world to fill a yottabyte. But all I need is three huge Photoshop files up at the same time and my computer would be straining if I didn't have a comfortable amount of headroom. And that's what 16 GB allows - just head room. Your 120 GB hard drive will experience a performance drop if it's got 110 GB of data on it, because it doesn't have enough head room. Your PC will also experience a performance drop if you're using the majority of your physical RAM, because it'll keep frantically writing to and reading from your page file on your hard drive. The page file on my desktop is the bare minimum needed to capture a mini memory dump in a system crash, because 16 GB of RAM means I don't need to use the hard drive for a page file at all.

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It's great to get a deal on RAM or a hard drive, but if you're limited in how much performance you can get out RAM or the space you'd actually use on a hard drive... what is the purpose?


If you have a choice of 4 GB for $50 or 16 GB for $60 and your motherboard can support it... why not? My cell phone will run out of memory all the **** time, but I never have to worry about that with my workstation.

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catwho wrote:
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RAM is one of those things that you can never have enough of.

Pointless RAM is pointless. Humor me here. Why do you think it is that we haven't progressed beyond CD quality sound for listening to music? The human ear can't distinguish past a certain limit.


We haven't?

Did you link something you didn't mean to? Bolded for emphasis. What you linked deals with encoding and saving space or allowing quicker access. What does it do to make the sound quality noticeably better than CD audio?

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all I need is three huge Photoshop files up at the same time and my computer would be straining if I didn't have a comfortable amount of headroom. And that's what 16 GB allows - just head room.

We're talking about the recommended specs for XIV here, not Photoshop.

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If you have a choice of 4 GB for $50 or 16 GB for $60 and your motherboard can support it... why not? My cell phone will run out of memory all the **** time, but I never have to worry about that with my workstation.

The same reason you don't buy that second burger at half price if you can only eat one. I personally would choose to save the $10; not because I'm cheap(which I kinda am), but because I know I won't put the extra RAM to use. I have 4GB now and it'll likely stay that way until I encounter a program that I use enough to warrant the extra RAM.

I'm not saying don't buy it if you get a deal. I'm just pointing out that it's not really a deal if it's not being put to use. It never will in XIV which we're discussing, but if it were a topic about general use I wouldn't advise against getting extra RAM if you could use it elsewhere.

Edited, Oct 22nd 2012 6:54pm by FilthMcNasty
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#32 Oct 22 2012 at 7:20 PM Rating: Good
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Sorry, the RAM thing is making me laugh... If I can get 12-16GB for the same price or 10-20 bucks more than 4-8, guess what I'm doing...

If the budget for a build is tight I would scrimp on HDD space or something that I can ADD to later down the road. Typically my RAM, Media Drives, Sound Card, and Case move from build to build so the only things I usually upgrade are the CPU/MoBo and the GPU (IF I'm lucky the CPU cooler gets to come along from the last build). I have had bad experiences adding RAM when overclocking so stick to matched sets whenever possible. I'm kinda screwed on my next upgrade though since it seems we're going away from the 3x sticks of RAM thing on the Intel side anyway.

I'm not saying one way is bad or good, it's just if RAM prices hit where they are right now, OVERBUY
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Sorry, the RAM thing is making me laugh... If I can get 12-16GB for the same price or 10-20 bucks more than 4-8, guess what I'm doing...

Still missing the point? The discussion was never really a matter of cost. You might be able to take advantage(cost) of getting more RAM, but XIV will not take advantage(performance).

If you happen to be running photoshop, rendering several 3D animations, compressing data, editing video AND playing XIV at the same time then having the extra RAM would make a difference. Even if it were a matter of cost, having the attention span required for that amount of multi-tasking should easily land you in a job that would make the decision of saving 20 bucks more trivial than it already is Smiley: sly
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30 bucks is almost free

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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#34 Oct 23 2012 at 6:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, well, I'm not one of those who builds a PC to handle one app or game at a time. I also believe in future-proofing. XIV may not take advantage of 16 GB of RAM, but it that doesn't mean other things won't.
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I built my computer for compiling first, gaming second. Kinda shocking to see what resources cl.exe can take when you let it loose Smiley: nod
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