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#1 Nov 14 2012 at 6:57 PM Rating: Decent
I read this posting and shook my head a little bit

http://singularityhub.com/2010/11/21/man-sells-virtual-real-estate-in-online-game-for-635000-wtf-video/

Now, I'm not saying that this is going to happen at an even comparable scale, but I wonder how RMT will be when the largest house costs "tons of gil." Do we know if housing in any area will be unlimited, or will there only be so many spots in each location? Will that Limsa Lominsa pirate area I hear about offer housing, and if so, unlimited spots, or a set number? I hope they don't go with the limitation option anywhere, or RMT will have their jobs set. What do y'all think? Do you want priority housing, or free-for-all?

edit: apparently I can't spell.

Edited, Nov 14th 2012 7:59pm by IKickYoDog
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#2 Nov 14 2012 at 7:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Not so sure square will get this in-depth. I'd be worried about 'legit players' just as much as I would RMTin situations like this. Housing will be the mecca of status for guilds and individuals. Pricing could get ridiculous rather quickly.

Given that square hasn't mentioned the option of players being able to sell property I will assume for now that these transactions will be NPC based. Players given simple options to upgrade.

MY concern... what if we don't like our plot anymore? Can we sell back to NPC or do we lose our investment if choose to move?
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#3 Nov 14 2012 at 7:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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I find it very odd how people are willing to spend their own real money in order to get into a fake club with fake lights and a fake bar, yet they don't want to pay monthly for a subscription based game (such as FF14, etc.) which would probably offer that for free as well as so much more. And the "community" that everyone refers to is better in subscription games... I understand that everyone has their own personal reasons as to why they don't want to pay extra for a game, but seriously?

I have never heard of this game before but I looked on Youtube and every other comment is "I can't do anything but walk around unless I pay"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDYpVn3vzGo

Even in the video it says that the money comes "directly out of your bank account" It may just be me being in the banking industry, but does anyone else see problems with this? I understand giving your Credit Card information because Visa or Mastercard has way of preventing fraud.

This world we live in seems to make less sense with each passing minute.

Edit: I don't think I really answered the OP's question in my previous post; basically I don't think FF14 should go that route. I don't really have a reason why, just a personal preference.

This is a direct quote from the OP's link; According to MindArk, the Swedish company behind Entropia, the virtual realm’s economy has a GDP of $442 million USD! That’s more than some small countries. The fixed exchange rate for Entropia has allowed gamers to view it as a potential area for investment. Jacobs originally paid $100,000 for the property that would become Club Neverdie, and he did so by mortgaging his real world home. Within a few years Jacobs had paid off that debt and was making enough from Entropia to live comfortably. Others have paid tens or hundreds of thousands for Entropia Universe property.

Despite the fact that this man has made money from doing this (everyone gets lucky, he is no exception), but do you think that YOU would ever use the equity from your house as a loan in order to purchase property in an online world?

Once again, this world just does not make sense....................................................
Edited, Nov 14th 2012 8:56pm by Banker75

Edited, Nov 14th 2012 9:05pm by Banker75
#4 Nov 15 2012 at 8:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Banker75 wrote:
I find it very odd how people are willing to spend their own real money in order to get into a fake club with fake lights and a fake bar, yet they don't want to pay monthly for a subscription based game (such as FF14, etc.) which would probably offer that for free as well as so much more. And the "community" that everyone refers to is better in subscription games... I understand that everyone has their own personal reasons as to why they don't want to pay extra for a game, but seriously?

I have never heard of this game before but I looked on Youtube and every other comment is "I can't do anything but walk around unless I pay"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDYpVn3vzGo

Even in the video it says that the money comes "directly out of your bank account" It may just be me being in the banking industry, but does anyone else see problems with this? I understand giving your Credit Card information because Visa or Mastercard has way of preventing fraud.

This world we live in seems to make less sense with each passing minute.

Edit: I don't think I really answered the OP's question in my previous post; basically I don't think FF14 should go that route. I don't really have a reason why, just a personal preference.

This is a direct quote from the OP's link; According to MindArk, the Swedish company behind Entropia, the virtual realm’s economy has a GDP of $442 million USD! That’s more than some small countries. The fixed exchange rate for Entropia has allowed gamers to view it as a potential area for investment. Jacobs originally paid $100,000 for the property that would become Club Neverdie, and he did so by mortgaging his real world home. Within a few years Jacobs had paid off that debt and was making enough from Entropia to live comfortably. Others have paid tens or hundreds of thousands for Entropia Universe property.

Despite the fact that this man has made money from doing this (everyone gets lucky, he is no exception), but do you think that YOU would ever use the equity from your house as a loan in order to purchase property in an online world?

Once again, this world just does not make sense....................................................
Edited, Nov 14th 2012 8:56pm by Banker75

Edited, Nov 14th 2012 9:05pm by Banker75


On one hand, owning a popular digital club (by splurging one's significant assets) is more glamorous to other digital neighbors who would frequent it than the paying of a subscription that they'd all each have to pay. For subs, it's like bragging that you pay your bills. Big whoop since everyone has to or does. But bragging that you pay for something out of the ordinary (even ridiculous) is more likely to garner attention. Conspicuous consumption ftl.

On the other hand, being an opportunist he probably saw the ease and lucrativity of the transaction models and player psychology in-game and in investing so much in order to capitalize it. Sounds like he just carved a piece of the pie anyone else would eat. Clever, despite the amount of money spent on virtually nothing and for personal gain. Not much different than Wall Street.

Massively Multiplayer Slot Machines in Virtual Suburbia. eLoans for eHouses and eCars. eWelfare inc?

But as to why someone would willingly blow that much money and yet be opposed to a tiny subscription fee does seem baffling. Perhaps it is for the pure control over value. Virtual Reality is a powerful influence on the perception of the mind. Whether by computer screen or window, the boundaries of reality become marred.


Edited, Nov 15th 2012 7:18am by justamemory
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Uhh I forget where I read/heard this,I think it was the last letter from the producer, but it'll all be instanced. Every instance will have a set number of housing units available and once an instance is full, it'll create a new one. It reminds me of when one block gets filled up, the server will automatically make a new block and then fill it up and then rinse and repeat. There hasn't been any mention of people being able to sell their houses to other people, so I don't know if that's how it'll be or not. We don't even know how it'll go if we purchase a cheaper house and then go to upgrade. We wont know how our old house will be handled. We'll be able to purchase a house and then through crafting/purchasing we can then build on to it and make it bigger. Purchasing the house will cost gil and it'll go to an NPC, so it'll be an excellent way to remove massive amounts of gil from the econemy. I'm just curious how much gil is an "astronomical" amount. Yoshi mentioned the largest house will cost an "astronomical" amount in his 3rd live letter. He then showed pictures of the largest house and it's basically a castle... He said several lvl 50's can purchase the largest house if they save up their gil.... This makes me sad b/c I'm pretty bad at making gil so it's going to take me forever to save that much up. I'll only be starting ARR with 4 million gil compared to most of my LS mates. They'll all have 10+ mil at the start.

Pics from the 4th live letter. The picture that wada is holding up is the largest house they will make available. If you look closely, you'll see a tiny black speck. That's the size of your character compared to your future paradise.
http://www.dualshockers.com/2012/11/11/here-are-the-final-fantasy-xiv-letter-from-the-producer-live-qa-summary-and-relevant-screencaps/

The following pictures after that are some of the different roofing options you might have depending on the style you'd like to have. Crafters will be able to change the roof for you anytime. They mentioned that you can add pillers to your house and depending on what type of pillar you add, it'll have different effects like increase HQ during crafting chance or an exp bonus. This is what prompted them to hold up the picture of the windmill looking thing. After that is a picture of what the "block" or "neighborhood" will look like in the Uldah residential instance. The LL one will be on terraces over looking an oceanic harbor. The gridania one will be under the shade of a massive tree with branches over hanging the houses with a small lake in the middle. You can see pictures of those if you watch the 3rd live letter.

I'm kind of curious what the armor sets are in the final picture. I've been told they are sets of armor that will be dropped from the new lvl 45+ dungeons called "the great labrynth of bahamut" and " the crystal tower". I thought maybe they'd be either relic armor or an upgraded version of our current af sets.
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Gridania Housing District?

Not to crap on your fun but no images from the Alpha, it's against the NDA :(


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I'm not 100% sure but I firmly believe all the housing is going to be contained within instanced districts. "land" is not a limited resource however. I believe if all plots are sold in a district you will simply move to another one sort of like the mog house. There will probably unlimited districts in which to place housing as they fill up and housing will be bought by NPCs.
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#8 Nov 18 2012 at 7:11 AM Rating: Good
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This whole concept of free company and player houses you can upgrade reminds me vaguely of UO.
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kainsilv wrote:
This whole concept of free company and player houses you can upgrade reminds me vaguely of UO.



Same here. Hopefully there isn't a crazy land grab with finite resources though. I remember when they opened the second "world" and all that land opened up. It was absolute mayhem as people tried snapping space up.

ETA: I also hope some no good thief can't break in and steal all my reagents lol

Edited, Nov 18th 2012 8:33am by LebargeX
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#10 Nov 19 2012 at 6:17 AM Rating: Good
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LebargeX wrote:
Same here. Hopefully there isn't a crazy land grab with finite resources though. I remember when they opened the second "world" and all that land opened up. It was absolute mayhem as people tried snapping space up.

ETA: I also hope some no good thief can't break in and steal all my reagents lol


I was the benefactor more than once from a house that had begun decaying. If anyone else knew it turned into a giant PK warzone.
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#11 Nov 19 2012 at 2:15 PM Rating: Decent
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I doubt will have those issues.
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#12 Nov 20 2012 at 2:28 AM Rating: Good
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I doubt will have those issues.


I doubt it as well since they're talking instanced areas for housing, but it's nice to reminisce every now and then :)
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