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#1 Dec 06 2012 at 6:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Can we get some real questions in here? I know Trolls are gonna Troll but I think this is constructive for all the Alpha Testers that are still coming on these forums looking for someone to break the NDA. Sometimes they can't think of it all and lets face it, probably half of them aren't qualified to be an Alpha tester or are just playing the game to play it anyway. Haha. So lets get some good questions for them to think about, shall we?

Here is my question: In the latest video the person is using the mouse to pick its target. Why is that? Is there a better way of doing it?

Anyone else?
#2 Dec 06 2012 at 9:17 PM Rating: Default
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I guess no one gets it. That's cool too.
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They must all have gotten emails. We can drown our sorrows together Smiley: boozing
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WFOAssassin wrote:
Can we get some real questions in here? I know Trolls are gonna Troll but I think this is constructive for all the Alpha Testers that are still coming on these forums looking for someone to break the NDA. Sometimes they can't think of it all and lets face it, probably half of them aren't qualified to be an Alpha tester or are just playing the game to play it anyway. Haha. So lets get some good questions for them to think about, shall we?

Here is my question: In the latest video the person is using the mouse to pick its target. Why is that? Is there a better way of doing it?

Anyone else?


i'm pretty sure they did that just to show that mouse/keyboard would be fully supported. there is no doubt tab targeting as well as d-pad targeting.




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#6 Dec 07 2012 at 8:38 AM Rating: Decent
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I apologize ahead of time if this has been asked already. I left FFXIV almost a year ago. I remember we had Battle Regiments (Skill Chains), but I'm pretty sure these were removed not long after launch as they wanted to redesign it. I'm curious if Skill Chains and Magic Burst have made it back into the game. O.o
#7 Dec 07 2012 at 8:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Let me get one of those, Wint. Thanks.
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I'm more of the mind to ask how the TP system feels in use, rather than just watching on screen, which doesn't give me a full idea of how they have to balance expense.
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I dunno, just admitting you can answer questions is practically violating the NDA.

Oh, here's a question - can the alpha testers take screenshots for posterity? (e.g. have they enabled screenshots yet?)
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#13 Dec 07 2012 at 12:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sorry guys, this is discussing the alpha, which you know is against the NDA.
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#14 Dec 07 2012 at 12:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Some questions can be answered, but most we would have to be silent. NDA FTL.
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You mean, FTW. Once you're faced with the dilemna of knowing cool stuff but not being allowed to talk about it, you're dealing with esoteric knowledge. "Esoteric knowledge" is such a nifty phrase I'd want to be part of the alpha just so it could apply to me.

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#16 Dec 07 2012 at 12:40 PM Rating: Decent
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^^ You're correct for the most part. But the free exchange of info in our world is pretty apparent. But I, as all people there is an honor code. All I'm trying to do is dispell is most misconceptions. A total lack of info is doing more harm than good. But a balancing act is needed no doubt, so I'm trying to defeat some misconceptions while trying to keep my mouth shut at the same time. I saw some of my previous posts deleted so, I'm thinking that the mods here are trying their best to keep things on the down low. Which they have to, so no bad will from me.
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Yep sorry, even admitting you're in it is against the NDA, which I quoted elsewhere. Not trying to be a bad guy, just following the rules Smiley: smile
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#18 Dec 07 2012 at 1:04 PM Rating: Decent
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^^^^ So better off just deleting the thread? :)
#19 Dec 07 2012 at 1:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, I do know this about the Alpha,





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Well, no. The purpose of the thread isn't to get answers. The purpose of the thread is to get alpha testers to test stuff on behalf of the non alpha testers, stuff they wouldn't necessarily think to test on their own. It's tossing around ideas of extra things to break, more or less.
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#21 Dec 07 2012 at 2:50 PM Rating: Good
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Well, no. The purpose of the thread isn't to get answers. The purpose of the thread is to get alpha testers to test stuff on behalf of the non alpha testers, stuff they wouldn't necessarily think to test on their own. It's tossing around ideas of extra things to break, more or less.


That is the point.
#22 Dec 07 2012 at 3:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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catwho wrote:
I dunno, just admitting you can answer questions is practically violating the NDA.

Oh, here's a question - can the alpha testers take screenshots for posterity? (e.g. have they enabled screenshots yet?)


Great question - I guess SE cant check this but I think that taking photo's to remember your experience after helping them out testing their game and hopefully making it better is a good thing. I think a jpeg here and there as long as its not posted until after the game is released is not a bad thing. I just hope people don't post on private forums, then it gets copied and posted so people don't get the real deal when ARR is released.

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catwho wrote:
I dunno, just admitting you can answer questions is practically violating the NDA.

Oh, here's a question - can the alpha testers take screenshots for posterity? (e.g. have they enabled screenshots yet?)


Great question - I guess SE cant check this but I think that taking photo's to remember your experience after helping them out testing their game and hopefully making it better is a good thing. I think a jpeg here and there as long as its not posted until after the game is released is not a bad thing. I just hope people don't post on private forums, then it gets copied and posted so people don't get the real deal when ARR is released.

Edited, Dec 7th 2012 9:50pm by EdyNOTB




Well, I doubt they have Screen Shots enabled but, that would be easier to show SE a floating glitch or something... However, you can always hit "PrtScn" and save it as a word document, then take it to photoshop and save it as a JPEG.... That's what I do, in FFXIV... in AAR though, I don't know what I do cause I'm not in Alpha yet... but I would do that so I could keep a memory of what I was doing and even to compare to what is finally released.

Which is a good question, say someone does keep video or pictures, can they release them after the release of AAR? Or is that a No No somewhere?
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Which is a good question, say someone does keep video or pictures, can they release them after the release of AAR? Or is that a No No somewhere?

It's only a no-no until the NDA is lifted, but at the rate SE puts out their own content(which is refreshing BTW) we probably won't really need it.
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#25 Dec 08 2012 at 11:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Personally I find it a little hilarious that everyone is so super serial about the NDA, while the NDA is intended to protect the game image... meanwhile, SE releases a gameplay video that very nearly ruins any expectation that the game will be worth playing. At this point, violating the NDA could likely only do more good than harm.
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Yes that is indeed a riot Smiley: rolleyes
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Correct me if I'm wrong Wint but ZAM could face serious repercussions from SE if they allowed the NDA to be broken as I'm sure ZAM is bound by certain NDA restrictions as well.

Actually surprised some of these threads aren't locked outright. I do understand the original intent of this particular thread and don't believe it violates NDA.

For an Alpha I'd look into running the game at minimum settings to see how unplayable the game might be at those settings or how glitchy it becomes. I would also gather as many playerss as I could into one area and have them do as much crafting emoting shouting and what not to check lag issues.
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Yes that is indeed a riot Smiley: rolleyes


Don't get me wrong. I'd be crying about it if I expected any better ;/ Believe it or not, all my criticism is directed from a desire to see the game succeed. I love the FF franchise, and I think it has a lot of potential to be amazing. I don't see that happening, but I like to let my imagination run wild. At this point, I would settle for "above average." Unfortunately, I'm not sure we'll get there, either.

Based on what I've seen so far, I generously give it a 50% chance that it will be announced for going free to play before 2014. Unless they get really ballsy and go for a 3.0.

Hopefully they're just really holding out because it's alpha, but given the track record I just can't believe that.

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Eh, my post was deleted, i never stated about being in alpha, much less divulge info regarding someone only in the alpha would know. guess thats why i only post on official forums now.

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For an Alpha I'd look into running the game at minimum settings to see how unplayable the game might be at those settings or how glitchy it becomes. I would also gather as many playerss as I could into one area and have them do as much crafting emoting shouting and what not to check lag issues.


That is worth checking... Maybe someone will do it. This is the stuff I am looking for. I never would have thought to test the low settings and see how much lag you have. It is an alpha but that should be something they should be able to pull off. Not everyone has sweet PCs. I would bet if it works well in the Alpha, it will work well at release. Perhaps someone will try that.

I was also thinking about the crafting on one spot too. Adding emotes, talking, other animations to the mix is a good stress test. I wonder if they have yet to do that... Perhaps someone will suggest it or try to test it on their own.



Please keep these thoughts coming.

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Correct me if I'm wrong Wint but ZAM could face serious repercussions from SE if they allowed the NDA to be broken as I'm sure ZAM is bound by certain NDA restrictions as well.

Actually surprised some of these threads aren't locked outright. I do understand the original intent of this particular thread and don't believe it violates NDA.

For an Alpha I'd look into running the game at minimum settings to see how unplayable the game might be at those settings or how glitchy it becomes. I would also gather as many playerss as I could into one area and have them do as much crafting emoting shouting and what not to check lag issues.


I've been watching it, any posts that break the NDA go bye-bye.

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Wint wrote:
Yes that is indeed a riot Smiley: rolleyes


Don't get me wrong. I'd be crying about it if I expected any better ;/ Believe it or not, all my criticism is directed from a desire to see the game succeed. I love the FF franchise, and I think it has a lot of potential to be amazing. I don't see that happening, but I like to let my imagination run wild. At this point, I would settle for "above average." Unfortunately, I'm not sure we'll get there, either.

Based on what I've seen so far, I generously give it a 50% chance that it will be announced for going free to play before 2014. Unless they get really ballsy and go for a 3.0.

Hopefully they're just really holding out because it's alpha, but given the track record I just can't believe that.

Edited, Dec 8th 2012 10:47pm by Kachi


You are judging your opinions on a game you haven't played, only seen a few short videos of, and really have absolutely no experience with (other than a 1.0 designed and built by a completely different team, and is recognized by the team working on 2.0 as a complete failure). On top of that you seem to think the entire community agrees with you as to what would make XIV "above average", which seems more than a little arrogant to me. I think the game is going to be a hit. I guess we can bookmark this and see who's right in a year.
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I doubt FFXIV: ARR will ever be Free-to-Play. In fact a little bird told me that the Alpha is really a lot of fun to play. It looks, feels, and smells nice. All that and its only an Alpha. People have even said 1) It should be a Beta 2) The Alpha is nothing like any Alpha ever done before. Its as if the game is ready now.

That being said, an Alpha that is that good makes me think we are in for a real treat.
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I doubt FFXIV: ARR will ever be Free-to-Play. In fact a little bird told me that the Alpha is really a lot of fun to play. It looks, feels, and smells nice. All that and its only an Alpha. People have even said 1) It should be a Beta 2) The Alpha is nothing like any Alpha ever done before. Its as if the game is ready now.

That being said, an Alpha that is that good makes me think we are in for a real treat.


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Anyone else enjoying the irony in a board dedicated to a game that no one can talk about that launched in 2010? No, I'm not trolling, I just think it's funny.
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You can talk about the game, you can't talk about it's alpha Smiley: tongue
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You are judging your opinions on a game you haven't played, only seen a few short videos of, and really have absolutely no experience with (other than a 1.0 designed and built by a completely different team, and is recognized by the team working on 2.0 as a complete failure). On top of that you seem to think the entire community agrees with you as to what would make XIV "above average", which seems more than a little arrogant to me. I think the game is going to be a hit. I guess we can bookmark this and see who's right in a year.


1) I in no way think that the entire community agrees with me, and I don't appreciate you judging me otherwise. I happily complain about the game because I hope it will be improved upon. And clearly from recent posts, there's a healthy representation of players who do agree with me regarding certain design problems.

2) I'm just discussing my opinions. Analyzing game designs is what I do, both for fun and work. I'm happy to be wrong--it means I learned something new about how games can be successful. Unfortunately, I am very seldom wrong when I predict that a game won't do well. My margin of error leans strongly towards optimism for games when there is room for the benefit of the doubt. That is, however, based on the U.S. market. If JP subscriptions are enough to keep the game afloat, I could be wrong.

3) All of my opinions are based on the assumption that what is being shown is what we're getting. I tend to be pretty good at extrapolating what isn't shown. But maybe SE has a rabbit hiding in their hat. Considering that's never been the case in my memory, I'm not optimistic about that.
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I say this will all do respect... Kachi, are you the King of Trolls?

Response/questions to your responses:

1) I don't read enough of other people's posts to agree or disagree with you here, but everything I read of yours describes you as a very pessimistic person.

2) a) What type of work do you do that allows for this type of predictions and what other games have you predicted as failure? b) You sound pretty confident, what do I win if you're wrong or are our opinions subjective and what you think is a failure could be a success to me... therefore I can never win a prize? c) JP subscriptions could be enough to keep this game alive. There is a reason they still support the PS1 and PS2 in Japan.

3) a) Extrapolation is never a good thing when human variability is involved. Showing "y = mx +b" will allow you to extrapolate with 100% accuracy but with human intervention you have to many variables that can shift the outcome. b) You know what "assume"ing does right?


In closing, Your opinion is subjective just like mine. As someone who has seen what we are going to get, on a substandard level, I can say this game is 100x different than 1.0 and its also 100x better than 1.0 It might not be for everyone but in my mind, SE did a good job trying to revamp a dead game.

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For me, the bottom line is that whether you agree with my opinions or not, and whether you like what I have to say or not, I have done nothing to warrant the disrespect of being called arrogant, or a troll. If you have a substantive counterpoint to make, then as is clear to anyone with eyes, I am all too happy to offer my agreement or disagreement. If you're just going to engage in ad hominem, then I'm afraid all I have to offer is a hardy "@#%^ you."

I don't particularly care if you agree with me, but I will try to be respectful towards you until you no longer extend me the same courtesy. At which point, I assure you that you will find me far less likeable than someone who is merely confident, opinionated, and not particularly optimistic about FFXIV:ARR. So if you were looking for someone to be a rude **** to you on the internet, you're in luck. Just step over the freshly painted line, and you'll get exactly what you want.

Or we can go back to having a civil discussion about FFXIV, and dismiss this as an unfortunate but irregular transgression. I'm equally cool either way.

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I was trying to be funny and playfully disrespectful at the same time. I'm only being a little bit of a dic to you, Id say 22.4%*****, 68%real/nice, 9.6% unknown... That being said...

I am wondering why you are so hard on the game. Perhaps I should read more of your specific posts and opinions about the game? Any you have in mind?

A say "troll" because EVERYTHING I have read from you, as of now, you have not one single good thing to say about the direction of the new game. You have 8,747 posts as of your last one, above mine, so its clear you are respected within the forums of Zam.com, or have a clear opinion about things, so I'm not challenging you as a person, although you could take it that way. I am challenging your opinion and stance on the game. As I said, it seems like you hate this game. Nothing you say is good, and I would even go as far to say, you want this game to fail.

Again, "King of Troll" is referring to your hatred for the game not your ability to comment. Return to the real questions shall we? I asked you a few things above and here that I am curious to know.
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I was trying to be funny and playfully disrespectful at the same time. I'm only being a little bit of a dic to you, Id say 22.4%*****, 68%real/nice, 9.6% unknown... That being said...

I am wondering why you are so hard on the game. Perhaps I should read more of your specific posts and opinions about the game? Any you have in mind?

A say "troll" because EVERYTHING I have read from you, as of now, you have not one single good thing to say about the direction of the new game. You have 8,747 posts as of your last one, above mine, so its clear you are respected within the forums of Zam.com, or have a clear opinion about things, so I'm not challenging you as a person, although you could take it that way. I am challenging your opinion and stance on the game. As I said, it seems like you hate this game. Nothing you say is good, and I would even go as far to say, you want this game to fail.

Again, "King of Troll" is referring to your hatred for the game not your ability to comment. Return to the real questions shall we? I asked you a few things above and here that I am curious to know.


Not true, he likes the graphics Smiley: smile

http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?forum=152&mid=13547827012418199#5

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That being said, I'm with WFO here in that you do seem very negative towards the game, and you have no idea how it actually plays (unless you're in the alpha) and really even then that's not a fair assessment because I expect there will be quite a few changes between now and launch.

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I was trying to be funny and playfully disrespectful at the same time. I'm only being a little bit of a dic to you, Id say 22.4%*****, 68%real/nice, 9.6% unknown... That being said...

I am wondering why you are so hard on the game. Perhaps I should read more of your specific posts and opinions about the game? Any you have in mind?

A say "troll" because EVERYTHING I have read from you, as of now, you have not one single good thing to say about the direction of the new game. You have 8,747 posts as of your last one, above mine, so its clear you are respected within the forums of Zam.com, or have a clear opinion about things, so I'm not challenging you as a person, although you could take it that way. I am challenging your opinion and stance on the game. As I said, it seems like you hate this game. Nothing you say is good, and I would even go as far to say, you want this game to fail.

Again, "King of Troll" is referring to your hatred for the game not your ability to comment. Return to the real questions shall we? I asked you a few things above and here that I am curious to know.


Fair enough; I'm certainly capable of misinterpreting someone's intentions. I wouldn't go so far as to say having a high post count makes one respected, by the way... far from it. If anything it shows that I have no trouble dealing with conflict.

Most of your questions or assumptions about me can be answered/disproven within the 10 most recent threads on the forum. I talk a lot about why I'm not optimistic about the game, what they should consider doing differently, and I even talk about my background and career. I also explicitly state at least twice that I'm critical of the game because I want it to succeed.

Everyone kissed FFXIV's *** during the beta and SE took that as the green light to release a subpar product. Meanwhile, people are already pessimistic about the game (as seen in this recently posted link). If attention isn't drawn to the mediocrity of the game's design flaws, then they will still fail, and SE won't see it coming. What they need is not feedback from a few die-hard fans who are eager for the game, but the perception of the average gamer, who considers roughly a dozen or more other MMORPGs in the U.S. market as viable alternatives. What stands out about FFXIV? At this point, nothing but graphics, and that's far too subjective and unimportant trait to ride on.

Awful design to mediocre design is not going to make this game successful. I hope SE is holding out on the awesome stuff. But assuming so is what people did during the alpha/beta.
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Ok, now we're going to get slash fiction of Wint x Kachi somehere... rule 34 and all...

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#43 Dec 10 2012 at 9:31 AM Rating: Good
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I do remember you saying that you are "critical of the game because you want it to succeed." I will also read some more of your other posts and get my absolute view of you...

I watched your link and it seems like those reviewers have a good base of knowledge to compare the game. It shows that there is a lot of influence of other games in FFXIV:ARR. Yoshi-P said as much anyway. He, Yoshi, is a MMORPG player and clearly has a good vision of what they should play like, in this age anyway. That being said, ARR does flow like some of the other games but its still has a Final Fantasy feel to it and I think that is what SE and Yoshi is trying to go for. Give people a modern MMO but retain or create the Final Fantasy universe around it. Add in the fact that you have FFXI players, other MMO players, and new players trying to get into the remastered FFXIV and you have a large spectrum of things to cover. Then you have to keep them coming back and to get them to join in the first place.

SE and Yoshi=P have the dreadful task of transferring what works, fix what doesn't, and add new innovative content to the existing MMORPG model and make it work with a Final Fantasy sticker on top. FFXIV: 1.0 was something different all together. I think Yoshi said it best when he said the old staff and SE were cocky about the series and thought it would work or fix itself. It didn't even have some of the fundamental elements of a modern MMORPG which was a horrible move. Add in the sub-par Alpha/Beta testing and you wonder what they were even thinking for releasing the game. Fast forward 1yr, add Yoshi, and a supportive fan base, and you have ARR.

I'm not sure if you, Kachi, are in the Alpha but judging the new game on a few videos, "professional" reviews of the same videos. and thousands of random user comments, is not a good way to base an opinion. I think you should add constructive criticism, just like everyone else, but don't hate until you try it. In my expert "eyes on" the matter the videos we have seen are nothing more than a "sorry you didn't make the Alpha, here is something to look at while you wait." There is so much more to the game than what we know about and its only the Alpha. Sure there are crazy UI stuff, strange combat systems, but its the Alpha. I'm 100% sure they can't/don't want to show even the Alpha people how all that stuff is really supposed to work.

The Beta will be a true testament of what they game will look like. Graphically, I'm sure we are close. UI, Battle, Character Animations, etc. I am willing to bet they are Alpha bonuses so SE can test the system while doing these things, its not the REAL system, yet. I really do wish I could tell you I'm in the Alpah, tell you the forums are filled with comments about the game (bugs, glitches, to UI and battle), and I REALLY wish I could tell you that the admins are responding to a large amount of issues by saying they are looking into it, that its on the to-do list, or that its a place holder until a later time. BUT I CAN'T SAY these thing because I'm not in the Alpha and if I was I can't break the NDA because Wint will nuke me AND I also don't want to get dropped from the it or ruin my chances of getting into the PS3 Beta.




Edited, Dec 10th 2012 2:32pm by WFOAssassin
#44 Dec 11 2012 at 8:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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Everyone kissed FFXIV's *** during the beta and SE took that as the green light to release a subpar product.


This is actually not true. I believe after alpha, SE said they would not take anymore feedback. The tester forums were filled with complaints that SE did nothing to change. SE shot themselves in the foot with the 1.0 alpha and beta and have admitted to it.
#45 Dec 11 2012 at 8:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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Kachi wrote:
Everyone kissed FFXIV's *** during the beta and SE took that as the green light to release a subpar product.


This is actually not true. I believe after alpha, SE said they would not take anymore feedback. The tester forums were filled with complaints that SE did nothing to change. SE shot themselves in the foot with the 1.0 alpha and beta and have admitted to it.


Yeah Beta testers were not allowed access to the forums for giving feedback. One of our forums here was monitored by developers, but if anything came of that I wouldn't know.
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#46 Dec 11 2012 at 8:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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Geffe wrote:
Kachi wrote:
Everyone kissed FFXIV's *** during the beta and SE took that as the green light to release a subpar product.


This is actually not true. I believe after alpha, SE said they would not take anymore feedback. The tester forums were filled with complaints that SE did nothing to change. SE shot themselves in the foot with the 1.0 alpha and beta and have admitted to it.



That is also what I had understood. Which is one of the reasons so many people stopped play so quickly.
#47 Dec 11 2012 at 9:36 AM Rating: Good
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Well, it was true of the alpha, and that was more or less my point.
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Hyrist wrote:
Ok, now we're going to get slash fiction of Wint x Kachi somehere... rule 34 and all...

Never confuse your inference as the listener for an implication of the speaker.

Good games are subjective like good food is subjective. You're not going to seriously tell me that there's not a psychological basis for why pizza is great and lutefisk is revolting. The thing about subjectivity is that, as subjects go, humans actually have a great deal in common.
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