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#1 Dec 30 2012 at 10:09 AM Rating: Default
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Intel 3570k Vs. 3770?
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You'd be better served asking this in a forum about building computers. It would also be easier to answer your question if it were actually posed as a question. If you're asking about gaming performance then get the i5. XIV doesn't make use of hyperthreading. If you're going to be using the computer for programs that will make use of hyperthreading(you'd know) then consider spending the extra money for the 3770.
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Look at Tom's Hardware for comparisons and then decide how much you want to spend.
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#4 Dec 30 2012 at 4:37 PM Rating: Good
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Well the 3770 has higher benchmark, plus it's the one I have :p

The 3570k is a little bit lower benchmark, but you can overclock it since it's got the 'k' at the end.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

Edited, Dec 30th 2012 5:37pm by EdenMarel
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Are they both K variants? If not they should be. You're talking about a couple of quid difference between K and non-K, and the K as mentioned above denotes an unlocked multiplier meaning you can overclock it. Don't buy a non-K variant. You're wasting money.

In a nutshell: personally, I say go for the 3570K over the 3770K.

The 3770K is the superior CPU, but not by much and, depending on what you're using it for, potentially not even humanly perceptibly so. It also has Hyper Threading which the 3570K does not. Barely any games support HT and in some cases it is actually detrimental (BF3 comes to mind, before they fixed the issue with a patch). If you're into CPU intensive multimedia area such as 3D modelling and animation it'll be a big boon, but barely anything "real world" will make real use of it. CPU's now a days are powerful enough to handle tasks thrown at them without needing to resort to HT to increase performance. HT might become useful in the future, though as it looks at the moment (and this is with a degree of crystal balling) we will probably be within the next generation or two of CPU's by then, and you can weigh up the need for HT then.

The 3770K also costs ~30-50% more than the 3570K (at least in the UK).

So really it depends on what you're looking for from a tech and financial point of view. Want the best, no questions? The 3770K fits that bill. Best value for money? The 3570K gives more "bang for your buck" to coin a phrase from the colonies.

These are my recommendations as someone who works in IT (sysadmin dirty end, not lofty management :>) and as someone who does rather enjoy playing games on a PC!
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EdenMarel wrote:
The 3570k is a little bit lower benchmark, but you can overclock it since it's got the 'k' at the end.


Generally, people who ask about CPUs like the OP is... don't know how to OC ^.~
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#7 Dec 31 2012 at 7:16 PM Rating: Decent
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I dunno how to OC either but that means I don't have to worry about accidently OCing, I just happen to know that the 'k' at the end means it can be OC'ed from my own research when I went comp shopping back in August. xD
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My 2600k still does quite well.
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#10 Jan 01 2013 at 1:30 AM Rating: Good
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To be fair, my previous Q6600 CPU ran XIV1.0 rather well too. What a work horse that CPU was! Had it years, powered through most stuff and overclocked like a beast to keep it in the fight longer than anything I've had previous. If a man could love a CPU, it would be me and that Q6600 <3
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#11 Jan 01 2013 at 4:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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This is what I've got in my gaming rig, and I love it! Wint actually makes a good point that the second-generation i5 processor is still the sweet spot for gaming in terms of price and performance.

The i7 Ivy Bridge (3rd gen) is definitely the better processor, but not by much. I haven't seen any benchmark testing for any game indicating a noticeable improvement in gaming between the i5 and i7, partially because the vast majority of games don't take full advantage of the i7's power. The i5 processor, whether you go second or third generation, gives you almost as much "bang" for a much better price.

If you're a computer components enthusiast, and your primary goal is simply to build a computer with the best components, then get the i7. If your main concern is getting awesome gaming performance without spending more money than needed, then get the i5.

One more thing... if you plan on overclocking, but you've never overclocked before, then you may want to consider getting the second-generation i5 processor (either the 2500k or the 2600k). You can overclock the third-generation i5, but the Ivy Bridge processors (although they run much cooler at stock settings) heat up rather quickly when overclocked and require aftermarket fans. The Sandy Bridge processors (second generation) can supposedly be overclocked really well with far less concerns of cooking your CPU.

I bought the Ivy Bridge i5 processor because I have no desire to overclock. My video card is a 560ti, and I'm very, very happy with my machine's performance.

Oh, one more thing... the Ivy Bridge processors are equipped with Intel HD 4000 graphics, which are probably good enough to run most games on low settings in the event that you're ever without a video card for any extended period of time. This is an improvement from the Sandy Bridge processors.

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This is what I've got in my gaming rig, and I love it! Wint actually makes a good point that the second-generation i5 processor is still the sweet spot for gaming in terms of price and performance.

The i7 Ivy Bridge (3rd gen) is definitely the better processor, but not by much. I haven't seen any benchmark testing for any game indicating a noticeable improvement in gaming between the i5 and i7, partially because the vast majority of games don't take full advantage of the i7's power. The i5 processor, whether you go second or third generation, gives you almost as much "bang" for a much better price.

If you're a computer components enthusiast, and your primary goal is simply to build a computer with the best components, then get the i7. If your main concern is getting awesome gaming performance without spending more money than needed, then get the i5.

One more thing... if you plan on overclocking, but you've never overclocked before, then you may want to consider getting the second-generation i5 processor (either the 2500k or the 2600k). You can overclock the third-generation i5, but the Ivy Bridge processors (although they run much cooler at stock settings) heat up rather quickly when overclocked and require aftermarket fans. The Sandy Bridge processors (second generation) can supposedly be overclocked really well with far less concerns of cooking your CPU.

I bought the Ivy Bridge i5 processor because I have no desire to overclock. My video card is a 560ti, and I'm very, very happy with my machine's performance.

Oh, one more thing... the Ivy Bridge processors are equipped with Intel HD 4000 graphics, which are probably good enough to run most games on low settings in the event that you're ever without a video card for any extended period of time. This is an improvement from the Sandy Bridge processors.

Edited, Jan 1st 2013 2:06am by Thayos


2600k is an i7 Smiley: nod
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#13 Jan 01 2013 at 11:22 AM Rating: Excellent




Oops, that's what I get for not checking my work!

So, in regards to my post, the 2500k is the ultimate i5 sweet spot! I was confusing the 2600k with the 2550 i5.

I would still say the third-gen i5 would be an all-around better buy than the second-round i7 for just gaming, unless you want to over clock and you don't have a lot of aftermarket cooling gear.
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Yeah I was sad to see the 2600k is still over $300, I wanted to upgrade my wife's comp and my development machine to i7's Smiley: frown
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Seeing as how CPUs are generally not the limiting factor in game performance (usually a video card or memory), you'd be better served putting the difference between the 3570 and the 3770 (k or not) and putting it into your video card budget. A $750 machine (excluding HD) will easily run this in 1080P. I excluded the HD, because you can put a 240ish GB SSD in the machine bringing it up to $1Kish and have an amazing rig.

It'd be nice if people who were in the Alpha could talk about their specs and their framerate experiences so these theorycrafting threads would be less theory and more fact.
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I'd venture to say that an SSD probably is the single best place to put your money for XIV 2.0 - with individual zones loading, the faster the game can read the data from the hard drive, the more seamless the experience will be.
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I remember the day I upgraded my desktop to a SSD. I'll never have spinny drives for my OS drive ever again Smiley: inlove

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#18 Jan 01 2013 at 9:54 PM Rating: Excellent
I am actually out of space on my SSD but refuse to reinstall one of my platter drives. So until I can afford another SSD I will continue to uninstall and reinstall games as I want to play them...xD

Edit. Bad spelling and grammar is bad. :(

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I kept the 1TB platter, but all it does is house all my installation files, movies, and music. All programs that play, download, or store any media are mapped directly to the appropriate partition on the 1TB.
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I have WD Raptors for storage but nothing gets installed to them. I found that I hoard games and as soon as I realized this I stopped installing everything and only have what I'm currently playing installed. Steam's cloud saves help with that.
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Ah, well, I don't play that many games. Although I did realize it was silly to have FFXIV 1.0 installed on my SSD when I'll never be playing that client again.
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I'd venture to say that an SSD probably is the single best place to put your money for XIV 2.0 - with individual zones loading, the faster the game can read the data from the hard drive, the more seamless the experience will be.


I disagree. CPU is the clear winner.

Sure, you'll always win the chocobo race to wherever it is that your group is gathering. At the same time, you'll always be the person going AFK for 2 mins waiting on said group to arrive so you can tackle whatever task it is you're grouping for. Similar to league of legends where you will load, but have to wait on other people to load up before the game begins.

inb4 SSD requirement to join groups

Edited, Jan 2nd 2013 12:26pm by FilthMcNasty
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Most MMO's that I've tested are CPU bound, FF14 in particular is a great example
FF14 in particular on the v1.0 engine scales very well from 2 cores to 2 cores with HT or from 2 cores to 4 cores, past that core count wise the scaling is only good with additional Ghz.
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To be fair, my previous Q6600 CPU ran XIV1.0 rather well too. What a work horse that CPU was! Had it years, powered through most stuff and overclocked like a beast to keep it in the fight longer than anything I've had previous. If a man could love a CPU, it would be me and that Q6600 <3


Yeah, I got the Q6600 when it came out and it lasted me until last October. I ended up snagging a 3550K for a good deal and it's a great CPU, but the Q6600 was a beast.

@OP

Like most everyone's saying, if you mainly game go for an i5. It's cheaper and prevents any potential issues with HyperThreading and games. Plus, unless you're running video encoding or Photoshop/etc. constantly on a massive project scale the i7s aren't going to give you much of a noticable improvement.
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While CPUs may scale great when you're in crowded areas, your video card is still going to do the heavy lifting and grant you your minimum framerate and playable settings. Assuming a $1000 budget (for even percentages), i'd split my $$ this way. Keep in mind, if you know what you want and what you're willing to pay, your valuation/price for specific items will differ.

300 - Video
100 - Power Supply / MOBO
200 - Processor / Motherboard
200 - SSD
50 - Memory (4-8 GB)
150 - Case/Fans/OS/Optical Drives/Everything else

If you were absolutely convinced that SSD wasn't worth the upgrade, I'd still move that $100 over to video over processor. At a $200 processor (i5 or top tier AMD) you are not going to get a better boost by allocating that to a processor.
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SSD is such a noticeable difference, even just booting and running regular programs that I won't own a computer that doesn't have one from now on.
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I only ever used the SSD for the OS, a huge difference it is but the difference between performance during gameplay for a SSD and standard HDD shouldn't be all the noticeable. loading times a bit faster but doesn't it also depend on the SSD? Aren't some still a bit dodgy?
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I only ever used the SSD for the OS, a huge difference it is but the difference between performance during gameplay for a SSD and standard HDD shouldn't be all the noticeable. loading times a bit faster but doesn't it also depend on the SSD? Aren't some still a bit dodgy?


Avoid OCX, or so I've heard. Mine is from IBM and I've had no problems.

You don't have to get an enormous one, either. Just get a small SSD and a huge 7200 RPM platter drive ( mine are 120 GB and 1TB, respectively.) Keep your OS and programs on the SSD, and use the big platter drive to store crap like movies and music.
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I have a plextor for my OS drive (has a 6 year warranty) and an Intel 520 series for my Users folder. They're both rock solid so far, I've had them both for over a year now.
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Avoid OCX, or so I've heard. Mine is from IBM and I've had no problems.


I have an OCX PCIe card based SSD and have nothing but good things to say about it. OCX did have issues with earlier models (initial RevoDrive and Vertex springs to mind) back in 2011 but have since improved dramatically. The RD3 I have has given me no issues thus far.
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Actually, if you guys have questions about any kind of components let me know. I work for Newegg :)

For SSD, i would recommend Intel or Kingston HyperX.

For CPU, go with i5 2500k. Anything more than that is overkill at this point. If you want to future proof yourself then go for 3770k i7.

If you want help with a budget build, let me know

Edited, Jan 10th 2013 5:40pm by balishag
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Actually, if you guys have questions about any kind of components let me know. I work for Newegg :)

For SSD, i would recommend Intel or Kingston HyperX.

For CPU, go with i5 2500k. Anything more than that is overkill at this point. If you want to future proof yourself then go for 3770k i7.

If you want help with a budget build, let me know


You guys are my heroes. Smiley: inlove My "budget build" is now a sprawling $1000 system, largely thanks to the email sale notices I get when I'm eyeing components. 16 gigs of RAM for $50? SOOOOOOLD.



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reminder: non-k series cpu's cannot be overclocked, so if u want best performance and have knowledge about overclocking, go for 3770k
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You guys are my heroes. Smiley: inlove My "budget build" is now a sprawling $1000 system, largely thanks to the email sale notices I get when I'm eyeing components. 16 gigs of RAM for $50? SOOOOOOLD.





hehe thanks i guess. You should check out some of the ready built gaming rigs if you're thinking about upgrading. Right now those rigs are selling for less than the components themselves.

I'm tempted to buy this one myself:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227441&Tpk=N82E16883227441

Or this one w/ SSD + HDD combo + free monitor:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883258005&Tpk=N82E16883258005

These are all under $1k minus tax

On a side note, I have an i7 930 currently... its probably good enough to run XIV on near max settings, but when ARR comes out i'm probably going to upgrade. If thats the case for you too, i would just wait.


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I won't need another major upgrade for at least two years - my Christmas present was a Radeon HD 7770 and I just upgraded to Windows 8 free courtesy of my business school. About the only thing holding me back is an older processor (Athlon II X4), so once I get funds again (that business school sucked away $6000 on Monday) I'll be upgrading to a Phenom II X6 .

I'm a PC hobbyist so much of the fun for me is putting it together from the kit and making the magic myself. But'll keeps those systems in mind for my less tech-savvy friends.
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