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#1 Dec 31 2012 at 11:40 AM Rating: Default
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I give him a 2/10 if for no other reason than managing to rile up Gamefaqs with an obvious troll post. Then again... Gamefaqs.
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#3 Dec 31 2012 at 12:08 PM Rating: Default
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considering the guy isnt a "new user" and how much I see whining on gfaqs about paying monthly fees for a game "why should i pay monthly to play a game i already bought and own etc etc" Im 100% certain that moron is being serious
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The folks who complain about "paying fees for a game I already own" have clearly never dealt with any Software as a Service or web hosting before in their lives.

Servers cost money. Electricity to run them costs money. Data access costs money. Developers cost money.

With a full scale MMORPG game, you aren't paying for the game with your monthly fee. You're paying for a service. You're paying the power bill, the data center warehouse space, the pro-active server manager who has that data center on cell phone alarm 24 hours a day in case a server goes down, etc.

SaaS is the wave of the future, not just for games, but for applications as well. My office went from Connectwise, a local program on a local server, to Autotask, which lives in the cloud. Now if the power goes out at our office, we can grab some laptops and work out of the nearest open restaurant with wifi access until it's restored. We have to pay a monthly fee to Autotask for this privledge, but they get to deal with all the headaches of keeping the client updated and the servers running. And their data center has backup generators in case the power goes out. (Probably my favorite story of heroism during Superstorm Sandy was the IT datacenter that had a diesel bucket brigade going up four flights of stairs for days to keep their servers online.)

Update from the world of Free to Play: Zynga just announced they are killing off ten games. All data will be lost. All the "bucks" people paid for are gone to the ether. I'd rather pay a monthly fee and have a game last for ten or more years like FFXI has done, thanks.

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Update from the world of Free to Play: Zynga just announced they are killing off ten games. All data will be lost. All the "bucks" people paid for are gone to the ether. I'd rather pay a monthly fee and have a game last for ten or more years like FFXI has done, thanks.

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So much this.
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#7preludes, Posted: Jan 01 2013 at 7:16 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Zynga run web based games, don't compare most mmos which run just fine under free to play to that.
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It's not a matter of "gamers refuse to pay for games" it's a matter of gamers refusing to pay for schlock.

World of Warcraft, Rift, and even more impressively FFXI, have been subscription based MMOs for many years now. Gamers aren't abandoning these games for having the gall to ask for a sub fee.
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Yeah, I quit playing the original Farmville not because Zynga expected me to pay for it (I never gave them a dime - I created 26 extra Facebook accounts instead) but because at level 50 my farm was so big and full of crap that it took five minues to load. I gave up when they raised the level cap to 75 because it was clear they had no interest in fixing their terrible Flash coding.

Gamers, especially the aging first gen MMO crowd who are in their thirties and forties now, are willing to pay for a quality game that has a communicative dev team, engaging content and frequent updates, that fosters a community and encourages teamwork and making friends in game to progress.
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I can't understand anyone who skips the cutscenes of a Final Fantasy game. That's like going to Texas and not getting barbecue.

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I don't play Zynga games because Mark Pincus is a ***** face.
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That too.
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@Prelude ummm you know there are PLENTY of successful pay to play MMOs that came BEFORE WoW and FFXI right? I mean theres been 50+ mmos before those games bout 40 of which were successful.... after all F2P MMOs didnt exist back then.. so no FFXI and WoW arent a "rare" thing

@catwho while i completely understand those things.. however others would say "but <insert game with online play or F2P or B2P mmo here" has electrocty, servers etc etc and theyre not making us pay monthly to play them"


also the majority of the ppl who complain about this are console gamers... I know plenty of PC gamers who maybe dont like or arent interested in MMOs but not one of them has ever said "because i think paying to play is stupid" mainly because this has been going on on PCs since the 90s.. thus it isnt a "new" concept whereas it is a completely one thing on consoles.. I mean FFXI was the first and so far ONLY console game to have a monthly subscription fee is it not?
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You may not be paying for them directly, but they are making money on it via the "whales" (the folks with more money than sense who drop $1000 on Farmville bucks to buy extra cows and get ahead - these tend to be the same idiots who support RMT in MMORPGs) as well as making money selling your demographics information, displaying advertisements, etc.

The thing is, the "whales" have the attention span of a gnat, and once they've maxed out the game and/or gotten bored with it, they move on to the next big shiny, leaving the only source of revenue for the data centers as the advertisements. Web ads don't really make that much money, and once they cost of running a little F2P game exceeds the revenue generated from the web ads, the company will shut it down.

That's exactly what we've seen happen with the F2P boom and bust cycle since it was first introduced. The "whales" don't have long term commitment to the games, which is ironic since they spend the most money on the games. But they get bored easily, hence wanting to play the game on "pay to win" mode rather than do all the work required to win for free. It's the users who spend hours actually playing the F2P portions of the game who have the most emotional investment in it, and they're the ones who are going to get screwed when the game shuts down.
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I can't understand anyone who skips the cutscenes of a Final Fantasy game. That's like going to Texas and not getting barbecue.

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catwho wrote:
You may not be paying for them directly, but they are making money on it via the "whales" (the folks with more money than sense who drop $1000 on Farmville bucks to buy extra cows and get ahead - these tend to be the same idiots who support RMT in MMORPGs) as well as making money selling your demographics information, displaying advertisements, etc.

The thing is, the "whales" have the attention span of a gnat, and once they've maxed out the game and/or gotten bored with it, they move on to the next big shiny, leaving the only source of revenue for the data centers as the advertisements. Web ads don't really make that much money, and once they cost of running a little F2P game exceeds the revenue generated from the web ads, the company will shut it down.

That's exactly what we've seen happen with the F2P boom and bust cycle since it was first introduced. The "whales" don't have long term commitment to the games, which is ironic since they spend the most money on the games. But they get bored easily, hence wanting to play the game on "pay to win" mode rather than do all the work required to win for free. It's the users who spend hours actually playing the F2P portions of the game who have the most emotional investment in it, and they're the ones who are going to get screwed when the game shuts down.



that explains free to play online only games but what about games with free online features.. that those other ppl would argue? i.e "Im not charges a monthly fee to play call of duty online everyday" (well before things like elite existed btw)
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"Free online gameplay" from a lot of those games is actually an anti-piracy feature. Like the new SimCity will offer free online collaborative play, because they force you to have an active Internet connection in order to even start the game. Diablo III was the same. (The real money AH was a total cash grab in and of itself, though.)

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"Free online gameplay" from a lot of those games is actually an anti-piracy feature. Like the new SimCity will offer free online collaborative play, because they force you to have an active Internet connection in order to even start the game. Diablo III was the same. (The real money AH was a total cash grab in and of itself, though.)




i was reffering to games like call of duty that have multiplayer lol
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^^Those games are maintained by the purchase of the game and with DLC content; maps, weapons, skins, etc.

Edited for neatness.

Edited, Jan 3rd 2013 12:08am by Seraphaniim
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i was reffering to games like call of duty that have multiplayer lol


I play Battlefield 3 but not Call of Duty, I think they pretty much sit in the same category.
they kind of making extra money from microtransactions.

BF3 is free to play (after you bought the game of course), you need to pay to buy expansion like any other games.
Electronic Arts (EA) have promotion from time to time, to offer players unlockable weapons if they are willing to pay a fee, so the new players could catch up with the more experienced players who might have already unlock better weapons by obtaining a higher rank.

FIFA13, also made by EA, i would consider a MMO as well, in one of the modes called Ultimate Team , you can use real money to purchase in-game currency to get player cards instead of collecting them by playing.

Think about this, these kind of games will have a sequel in a year or two (FIFA12-> FIFA13-> FIFA14 etc) all your in-game purchase will be gone and could not be carried over.

I, not once, but twice quit FFXI, and also quit FFXIV before subscription started. I wouldnt want to pay for the game if Im not playing anymore, however, I certainly would not pay a dime to buy a cow in farmville or a hitler costume in Battlefield Hero; Everyone likes free stuff, but... if paying a monthly fee can keep the game's content worthwhile, im all for it.


Question: was there microtransactions (like buyging gil) in FFXIV? not gilsellers though.
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That's exactly what we've seen happen with the F2P boom and bust cycle since it was first introduced. The "whales" don't have long term commitment to the games, which is ironic since they spend the most money on the games. But they get bored easily, hence wanting to play the game on "pay to win" mode rather than do all the work required to win for free. It's the users who spend hours actually playing the F2P portions of the game who have the most emotional investment in it, and they're the ones who are going to get screwed when the game shuts down.


I'll probably be clobbered for saying this, but I put together this handy chart for what I think is going on:

F2P Hardcore - Pays nothing, majority of player base, forms the masses for the impressively geared casual players to feel superior to.
F2P Casual - Pays huge (i.e. the whale), minority of player base, has all the best gear

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P2P Hardcore - Pays huge, minority of player base, has all the best gear
P2P Casual - Pays little (drops sub, skips expansions, etc.), majority of player base, forms the masses for the impressively geared hardcore players to feel superior to.
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^^Those games are maintained by the purchase of the game and with DLC content; maps, weapons, skins, etc.

Edited for neatness.

Edited, Jan 3rd 2013 12:08am by Seraphaniim




yeah like i said I know those things but most console players seem to use games like that as an argument for why they shouldn't have to pay monthly to play a game....

for example what you just said... theyd say ok so why doesn't my purchase of the game (FFXIV) and DLC (expansion packs.. which ANY halfway decent mmo IS gonna have) not enough to maintain the game if its enough to do so with CoD?
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Getting back to the OP... I think the thread you linked is just the begining of the complaining we're going to hear between the legacy members vs the non-legacy members. While I'm happy that I do get the perks of being legacy, I think its going to cause a huge division between players.
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I hope it doesn't cause issues. I'm not a legacy member and I certainly don't have an issue with those that are. I just see it as an opportunity I missed out on.

When XIV first launched, they gave discounts to those that played both XIV and XI.
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The trick is going to be making the game worth a sub fee.

If they can do that, then MMO players EXPECT that sub fee to be $15 per month. At that point the legacy players are just getting a discount. This is no different than Founder pricing in Rift, which was a system by which players that pre-ordered the game could lock in preferential pricing for the lifetime of their subscription (it came out to something like a 20% discount over a year's sub).

Console players are always going to have a problem with this precisely because they tend NOT to be MMO players. Console games with online components don't have sub fees, they also don't have constant development except in the form of DLC (which, ding ding ding, you pay for).
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#24 Jan 03 2013 at 1:32 PM Rating: Good
I think the PC market tends to be a bit more mature also, meaning we're usually older. Yes, I have a PS3 and 360 that I use fairly often as do some of you, but how many people out there under the age of 23 really have a decent gaming rig and consoles? I didn't get my first good PC till I was 26, which I still am. Console gamers are more likely to be either young and broke, or young enough that they are still completely dependent on their parents, who are not going to pay $15 a month for a game.
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I think the PC market tends to be a bit more mature also, meaning we're usually older. Yes, I have a PS3 and 360 that I use fairly often as do some of you, but how many people out there under the age of 23 really have a decent gaming rig and consoles? I didn't get my first good PC till I was 26, which I still am. Console gamers are more likely to be either young and broke, or young enough that they are still completely dependent on their parents, who are not going to pay $15 a month for a game.



Im 29 and my pc can barely run vista..... my PS3 on the other hand works fine..... so i wouldnt say all adults have gaming PCs :p... i mean sure i couldnt definitely get one but why spend 600+ when I can play games for half that? lol
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You'll probably actually have better luck with Windows 7 than Vista. Vista was poorly optimized and tends to run slow even on good systems. Windows 7 has a much more seamless interior kernel, and just runs better, period.

Vista still remains the second worst OS Microsoft ever made. Windows ME holds the title. Windows 8, as bad as it is, is still a distant third behind both of them. (Once I deleted all the dumb pre-installed Metro tiles and just added my own in, I liked 8 a lot better.)
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#27 Jan 04 2013 at 12:33 PM Rating: Good
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IKickYoDog wrote:
I think the PC market tends to be a bit more mature also, meaning we're usually older. Yes, I have a PS3 and 360 that I use fairly often as do some of you, but how many people out there under the age of 23 really have a decent gaming rig and consoles? I didn't get my first good PC till I was 26, which I still am. Console gamers are more likely to be either young and broke, or young enough that they are still completely dependent on their parents, who are not going to pay $15 a month for a game.



Im 29 and my pc can barely run vista..... my PS3 on the other hand works fine..... so i wouldnt say all adults have gaming PCs :p... i mean sure i couldnt definitely get one but why spend 600+ when I can play games for half that? lol


What I meant is that, for example, 8 of 10 people with gaming PC's are going to be 25+. However, 8/10 people with a PS3 or XBOX 360 are going to be under 25 years old. Kids get consoles for Christmas, not high-end PC's. This will lead to a disproportionate demographic on both sides of the same game.
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#29 Jan 04 2013 at 12:37 PM Rating: Good
I expect adults with PC's to also have consoles. That being said, if you have the option of playing FFXIV on your PS3 or your computer (even with a controller) which are you most likely going to choose? Adults have options, children do not Smiley: tongue
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I expect adults with PC's to also have consoles. That being said, if you have the option of playing FFXIV on your PS3 or your computer (even with a controller) which are you most likely going to choose? Adults have options, children do not Smiley: tongue




id choose console simply because my PC (like mosts ppls) restricts me to sitting on a chair at a desk... on my tv ii have much more comfort options lol
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I expect adults with PC's to also have consoles. That being said, if you have the option of playing FFXIV on your PS3 or your computer (even with a controller) which are you most likely going to choose? Adults have options, children do not Smiley: tongue




id choose console simply because my PC (like mosts ppls) restricts me to sitting on a chair at a desk... on my tv ii have much more comfort options lol


So do like me. My computer is right next to my TV, so I just run an HDMI to the LED TV and use wireless peripherals when I don't want to sit in the chair!
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Having double 1080p monitors makes gaming on the PC a bit more flexible. I blow up the game in one monitor, and having all my other stuff in the other monitor - a browser to check quest info in XI, whatever app I'm using to do my homework (Eclipse or Coffee Cup or Balsamiq, etc).

The problem with a console is that it's a lot harder to multitask. For an immersive linear game, that's actually a good thing - I can tune out the outside world and just play. But for an MMO, where I'll be spending long hours in a perpetual alternate world, I'd like the option to pop back into reality whenever I need to.

I'll probably have the game installed on both, and play on the couch when I want to veg out, but play on the PC when I want to multi-task./
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I expect adults with PC's to also have consoles. That being said, if you have the option of playing FFXIV on your PS3 or your computer (even with a controller) which are you most likely going to choose? Adults have options, children do not Smiley: tongue


As someone who basically OCDs about being able to multitask, I'd go with the PC. I don't have a TV in my study, but I do have a Slingbox hooked to my set top box, meaning that I can watch TV whenever I like on my computer. My monitor is also large enough that I can both do that and play FFXIV at a high resolution at the same time, meaning no issues of glancing away from the monitor or anything when in the middle of something important going on in-game.

I'd also hate to lose access to all my other functions of playing on a PC, such as looking things up, or talking to people who may not even be in-game. I may've liked the immersion of only having the game to play some years back, but nowadays I got too much stuff going on to just focus on gaming at full screen.
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Is that a Nerf Maverick I see on your bookshelf?

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Yup, for when my kids come bugging me about food and water Smiley: thumbsup
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You should steampunk it out ;)
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Ok, now we're going to get slash fiction of Wint x Kachi somehere... rule 34 and all...

Never confuse your inference as the listener for an implication of the speaker.

Good games are subjective like good food is subjective. You're not going to seriously tell me that there's not a psychological basis for why pizza is great and lutefisk is revolting. The thing about subjectivity is that, as subjects go, humans actually have a great deal in common.
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Gamers, especially the aging first gen MMO crowd who are in their thirties and forties now, are willing to pay for a quality game that has a communicative dev team, engaging content and frequent updates, that fosters a community and encourages teamwork and making friends in game to progress.


This.

As a member of the aforementioned ageing first gen MMO crowd (now 38), this is exactly what I want. I stuck with FFXIV hoping to find this after years with FFXI - sadly the community imploded, a lot of good people left and that was the biggest problem with the game for me. By the time the servers went down - I was really enjoying the game.

Back to OP - the FTP MMO's aren't really free to people who are committed players anyway. By the time you have bought acceptable storage (on player, and in bank) etc. you wind up spending as much as you might on a monthly sub game. I joined SWTOR when it went free and enjoyed it for about a month, about 2 weeks into that time, I subbed for 6 months - (yes, I'm an idiot). Started GW2 a couple of weeks ago - enjoying it but getting fed up of having no storage space so will have to buy some!
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