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#1 Jan 17 2013 at 10:13 AM Rating: Sub-Default
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there was a part in the article that made me neary die of laughter:

"The questing and crafting systems were the stereotypical MMO grind reduced to its quintessence; the UI a laggy abomination, cluttered with cumbersome menus; and the very process of creating an account could have passed for a boss in Dark Souls."

roflmao was the character creation really THAT horrible?

heres the link to the rest of the article.

http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/square-enix-next-gen-mmorpg/1227159p1.html


what do you guys think of it? Can FFXIV relly be saved or will it just merely be more like a patch that makes the game "acceptable" (as opposed to the horrible it was at first) instead of a complete overhaul that makes the game great.

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#2 Jan 17 2013 at 10:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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I think XIV ARR will do well.

Yes creating an account and setting things up on that end was an exercise in futility. I believe this was before the SE Account Management system was required for FFXI (it is required for XI now right? I can't remember, I tied everything together when I made my SE Account) and the design was awful. It's better now than it was for sure.
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DuoMaxwellxx wrote:

what do you guys think of it? Can FFXIV relly be saved or will it just merely be more like a patch that makes the game "acceptable" (a opposed to the horrible it was at first) instead of a complete overhaul that makes the game great.


From what I have heard(I have an inside source), they plan to introduce Unicorns.

Almost 3 years development worth of pretty Unicorns. I mean, several colors and sizes.

I am stoked.

I'm in.

As I am Legacy...I will be one of the first to kill one.
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#4 Jan 17 2013 at 10:58 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah the SE account system is required for XI. No payment or registration information is handled through POL at all.

Honestly, the PC version of POL could be dropped down to a single login screen at this point.
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#5 Jan 17 2013 at 11:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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Since its inception, I've always found the SE account system to be needlessly arbitrary. The fact that you couldn't directly pay them had a lot of people up in arms back at launch too. It's a huge turn-off for players if you make your sub-based game as difficult to pay for as possible.
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That's been fixed. They now bill directly to any Visa or Mastercard, no Securecard or w/e required.
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My issues is that nothing is obvious or intuitive. It may come down to just what they label things to be honest. Some of the options once you log in make no sense at all.
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That's been fixed. They now bill directly to any Visa or Mastercard, no Securecard or w/e required.

I remember when they did this, but I had a problem when I resubbed XI this past summer. I had to buy crysta as a result. It's like what Wint said, it's just not obvious or intuitive. You'd figure they'd give you the easiest option to take your money.
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#9 Jan 17 2013 at 11:46 AM Rating: Default
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Wint wrote:
I think XIV ARR will do well.

Yes creating an account and setting things up on that end was an exercise in futility. I believe this was before the SE Account Management system was required for FFXI (it is required for XI now right? I can't remember, I tied everything together when I made my SE Account) and the design was awful. It's better now than it was for sure.



So Wint in your opinion why do you say ARR will do well? By that I mean the article gave references of other MMOs that had complete overhauls and DIDNT do well, thats being said why would ARR fare any different/better than the others that went through the same process did?
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Wint wrote:
My issues is that nothing is obvious or intuitive. It may come down to just what they label things to be honest. Some of the options once you log in make no sense at all.


I think you've just hit the problem: Their translation team on the website has no formal UX training. They translate the JP version of the website for the correct words, but the direct translation doesn't necessarily have the same contextual meaning in English. Frankly, I bet the JP version of the website makes perfect sense to the Japanese players.
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#11 Jan 17 2013 at 12:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'll just say I have my reasons that I can't disclose. Even if it doesn't I'll be playing from launch to shutdown. Pointless conjecture from websites without any useful information are as pointless as my reasons for feeling the way I do. Anyone claiming to know what the fans will do is spouting BS.

I can't speak for any of those games in your article because I haven't played them although if you read the article it talks about how WoW went through redesign just fine.
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#12 Jan 17 2013 at 12:23 PM Rating: Default
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Wint wrote:
I'll just say I have my reasons that I can't disclose. Even if it doesn't I'll be playing from launch to shutdown. Pointless conjecture from websites without any useful information are as pointless as my reasons for feeling the way I do. Anyone claiming to know what the fans will do is spouting BS.

I can't speak for any of those games in your article because I haven't played them although if you read the article it talks about how WoW went through redesign just fine.



well in all honesty just because you play from startup to shut down doesnt mean its great.. I mean Im sure you woulda done the same with 1.0 right? was 1.0 great?

as for conjecture well wha tabout the posts on the videos on this site showing the party play? lots of 1.0 players said it didnt look that much different from what they already had in 1.0.. in otherwords.. ARR is DEFINITELY a change.. and its a change for the better.. but its not a DRASTIC change.. which to me means though who likes 1.0 WILL like ARR but it wont be so great/drastic/different that those who didnt like 1.0 (or avoided 1.0 because of its bad press) arent gonna find ARR appealing enough to give a chance and will just write it off as a minimal improvement that turned "trash" (1.0) into what the game SHOULD (in otherwords its now acceptable) have been at launch (ARR) instead of a GREAT game

so basically ARR is turning a game that was an F into a C or B- instead of the A+ everyone hoping it will/making it out to be. Thats the general consensus I seem to be getting
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The environmentals alone went from a C- to an A+ from what we've seen already. So did the game's rendering engine.

Gameplay - well, we'll see in beta.
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#14 Jan 17 2013 at 12:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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No, I didn't play 1.0 from start up to shut down. I kept paying, and logging in here and there to see how things were progressing, but once ARR was announced I really toned down my playing.

The consensus you're referring to is wrong, mostly because they're basing things off of video instead of actually trying the game. People who say that ARR has no change (or isn't "much different") from 1.0 clearly aren't paying attention. You probably don't hear much on the other end of things because people who have gotten to play ARR aren't allowed to talk about it. Who wants to ruin their chances at getting into beta to convince people who have nothing better to do all day than trash talk everything SE is doing to repair the game? You're basing all of your assumptions on a one-sided look at how things are progressing.
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catwho wrote:
The environmentals alone went from a C- to an A+ from what we've seen already. So did the game's rendering engine.

Gameplay - well, we'll see in beta.



cat surely i dont have to tell you of ALL people that a game looking pretty doesnt make it good lol
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catwho wrote:
The environmentals alone went from a C- to an A+ from what we've seen already. So did the game's rendering engine.

Gameplay - well, we'll see in beta.



cat surely i dont have to tell you of ALL people that a game looking pretty doesnt make it good lol


Yes but since you're so eager to make broad generalizations, wouldn't having those aspects going through such an improvement speak well for the rest of the game?
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#17 Jan 17 2013 at 12:38 PM Rating: Default
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No, I didn't play 1.0 from start up to shut down. I kept paying, and logging in here and there to see how things were progressing, but once ARR was announced I really toned down my playing.

The consensus you're referring to is wrong, mostly because they're basing things off of video instead of actually trying the game. People who say that ARR has no change (or isn't "much different") from 1.0 clearly aren't paying attention. You probably don't hear much on the other end of things because people who have gotten to play ARR aren't allowed to talk about it. Who wants to ruin their chances at getting into beta to convince people who have nothing better to do all day than trash talk everything SE is doing to repair the game? You're basing all of your assumptions on a one-sided look at how things are progressing.



well then I guess we'll just have a wiat a few months and see what the critics say this time around then huh? (assuming they re review it). Though Ive played plenty of games that didnt fair well in the reviews department.. after all If im interested in a game Im gonna play it and enjoy it regardless of what is said about it.... only thing the reviews do is let me know what to lower my expectations/stanadrds down to so that Im not overcome in disappointment.

I mean a lotta ppl would say FFXI was crap... but I played that 8 years (though i think 90% of the ones calling it crap was those who either thought it was too hard ore didnt have the free time/"no life" it required to get anything significant done in it.. so they were bashing the game based on that and not because the game/gameplay itself was horrible).
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Wint wrote:
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The environmentals alone went from a C- to an A+ from what we've seen already. So did the game's rendering engine.

Gameplay - well, we'll see in beta.



cat surely i dont have to tell you of ALL people that a game looking pretty doesnt make it good lol


Yes but since you're so eager to make broad generalizations, wouldn't having those aspects going through such an improvement speak well for the rest of the game?



no because as we ALL know if there one thing SE DOES do right.. its graphics...

look at FF13, that games looks wonderful.... but how many ppl say its garbage as opposed to the number that says otherwise? I myself liked it and would easily give it a 9/10 but I seem to be the minority (i however did think 13-2 was a 7/10 lol... the only thing good about THAT game WAS its graphics)
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well then I guess we'll just have a wiat a few months and see what the critics say this time around then huh?


And yet you keep posting these articles and soliciting opinions on how the game is going to do. How does anything in this thread affect how the game will do? I assume you keep doing this because you want to figure out if you're going to retry it or not, yet you say you will regardless of what is said. So why does this all matter? Why do you care why I think the game will do fine? Were you expecting some kind of insider knowledge that would tip the scales and shut up the naysayers?
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As Wint said, right now the only people who can definitively say whether the game is better or not are still under non disclosure agreement.

And even after beta starts, the folks who will be in it still can't talk about it.

All I can say is that I like what I see in the 2.0 videos a lot more than I liked what I saw in 1.0. The Black Shroud was boring in 1.0. It looks a lot less boring in the alpha videos. Crafting was terrible in 1.0. What they've shown us in the crafting video of the alpha is a vast improvement. And it's no secret that they finally gave up and switched to a proper DX11 engine, taking advantage of modern hardware capabilities that mean a less powerful system can run the game and still have it look good.
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#21DuoMaxwellxx, Posted: Jan 17 2013 at 1:00 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) why you ask? thats simple.. because when it does happen (As im sure it will) I can say "i toldja so)
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well then I guess we'll just have a wiat a few months and see what the critics say this time around then huh?


And yet you keep posting these articles and soliciting opinions on how the game is going to do. How does anything in this thread affect how the game will do? I assume you keep doing this because you want to figure out if you're going to retry it or not, yet you say you will regardless of what is said. So why does this all matter? Why do you care why I think the game will do fine? Were you expecting some kind of insider knowledge that would tip the scales and shut up the naysayers?



why you ask? thats simple.. because when it does happen (As im sure it will) I can say "i toldja so)


as for figuring out if im gonna retry it.. i cant RETRY something i never tried.. Ive been waiting for it to come out on PS3 since it was first announced (i dont game on PC).. ans yes regardless of what is or isnt said I plan to play it (and most likely even enjoy it) as i do ANY game with "final fantasy" in the title... so how bad the critics say it is (or how bad the game ACTUALLY is) wont deter me from at least playing it to see for myself. Id have done it 2 years ago had it launched on ps3 when it was supposed to


So you're just hanging around to wait and see if the game will fail so you can get a virtual "in your face" out there? Smiley: dubious

Trying to decide if I want to ban you now or watch you get egg on your face.
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Wint wrote:
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well then I guess we'll just have a wiat a few months and see what the critics say this time around then huh?


And yet you keep posting these articles and soliciting opinions on how the game is going to do. How does anything in this thread affect how the game will do? I assume you keep doing this because you want to figure out if you're going to retry it or not, yet you say you will regardless of what is said. So why does this all matter? Why do you care why I think the game will do fine? Were you expecting some kind of insider knowledge that would tip the scales and shut up the naysayers?



why you ask? thats simple.. because when it does happen (As im sure it will) I can say "i toldja so)


as for figuring out if im gonna retry it.. i cant RETRY something i never tried.. Ive been waiting for it to come out on PS3 since it was first announced (i dont game on PC).. ans yes regardless of what is or isnt said I plan to play it (and most likely even enjoy it) as i do ANY game with "final fantasy" in the title... so how bad the critics say it is (or how bad the game ACTUALLY is) wont deter me from at least playing it to see for myself. Id have done it 2 years ago had it launched on ps3 when it was supposed to


So you're just hanging around to wait and see if the game will fail so you can get a virtual "in your face" out there? Smiley: dubious

Trying to decide if I want to ban you now or watch you get egg on your face.


no im hanging around because Im actually interested in the game... and I plan to play and like it.. after all just because I like a game doesnt mean int cant/wont fail and even if critics hate it.. my opinion hardly ever reflects that of critics... I liked white knight chronicles... most places give it a 5-6... I cant stand call of duty.. show me place whos rated it lower than 9 for example.

So im 90% sure the game wont be horrible to MY standards.. but that shouldnt stop me from being able to say that i correctly predicted that it wasnt gonna be the huge turnaround/success that SE (and a lot here) thought it would be
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well then I guess we'll just have a wiat a few months and see what the critics say this time around then huh?


And yet you keep posting these articles and soliciting opinions on how the game is going to do. How does anything in this thread affect how the game will do? I assume you keep doing this because you want to figure out if you're going to retry it or not, yet you say you will regardless of what is said. So why does this all matter? Why do you care why I think the game will do fine? Were you expecting some kind of insider knowledge that would tip the scales and shut up the naysayers?



why you ask? thats simple.. because when it does happen (As im sure it will) I can say "i toldja so)


as for figuring out if im gonna retry it.. i cant RETRY something i never tried.. Ive been waiting for it to come out on PS3 since it was first announced (i dont game on PC).. ans yes regardless of what is or isnt said I plan to play it (and most likely even enjoy it) as i do ANY game with "final fantasy" in the title... so how bad the critics say it is (or how bad the game ACTUALLY is) wont deter me from at least playing it to see for myself. Id have done it 2 years ago had it launched on ps3 when it was supposed to


So you're just hanging around to wait and see if the game will fail so you can get a virtual "in your face" out there? Smiley: dubious

Trying to decide if I want to ban you now or watch you get egg on your face.


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Wint wrote:
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The environmentals alone went from a C- to an A+ from what we've seen already. So did the game's rendering engine.

Gameplay - well, we'll see in beta.



cat surely i dont have to tell you of ALL people that a game looking pretty doesnt make it good lol


Yes but since you're so eager to make broad generalizations, wouldn't having those aspects going through such an improvement speak well for the rest of the game?


Because that aspect of the game was never in question to begin with, it was the only thing the game originally did right, and SE has always done graphics better than anybody else in the industry, the fact that they are more than willing to showcase their strongest point, instead of their weakest and the one that will determine weather or not the game flops or succeeds is interesting. When they start showcasing gameplay and end game mechanics, then we will have something to go by.

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The environmentals alone went from a C- to an A+ from what we've seen already. So did the game's rendering engine.

Gameplay - well, we'll see in beta.



cat surely i dont have to tell you of ALL people that a game looking pretty doesnt make it good lol


Yes but since you're so eager to make broad generalizations, wouldn't having those aspects going through such an improvement speak well for the rest of the game?


Because that aspect of the game was never in question to begin with, it was the only thing the game originally did right, and SE has always done graphics better than anybody else in the industry, the fact that they are more than willing to showcase their strongest point, instead of their weakest and the one that will determine weather or not the game flops or succeeds is interesting. When they start showcasing gameplay and end game mechanics, then we will have something to go by.



I would argue that no, they didn't really get it right. Between cut and paste environments, the horrible horrible game engine, and vanilla environments, no they didn't get that right at all. The new Gridania/Black Shroud looks like a place I want to explore now Smiley: thumbsup
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