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#1 Feb 04 2013 at 5:05 PM Rating: Default
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Do you think they will port this to PS4 and Xbox 720(or whatever the name is?
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#2 Feb 04 2013 at 5:16 PM Rating: Default
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Doubtfully. My money is off backwards compatibility, too. (It's Sony's MO and I hear the sdk will be much different) Ffxi never made it to PS3. Why would XIV make it to PS4. Maybe if the game is successful enough and they had the resources they can do it later. They probably want to see the adoption rate of ps4 after 12 months or so then cost to develop and then /sit on it.

So.... Doubtful
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#3 Feb 04 2013 at 5:26 PM Rating: Default
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Doubtfully. My money is off backwards compatibility, too. (It's Sony's MO and I hear the sdk will be much different) Ffxi never made it to PS3. Why would XIV make it to PS4. Maybe if the game is successful enough and they had the resources they can do it later. They probably want to see the adoption rate of ps4 after 12 months or so then cost to develop and then /sit on it.

So.... Doubtful


because we're coming to the end of the PS3's life span, and FFXIV/MMORPGs in general are meant to be supported for many years if possible

so it would make sense to me to offer support for new consoles rather than just old ones

especially considering FFXIV's frame rate on PS3 will probably suck and would run better on newer hardware (well probably 30 fps but that sucks to me)

Edited, Feb 4th 2013 6:27pm by Poubelle
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#4 Feb 04 2013 at 5:29 PM Rating: Default
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ffxi came out at the end of PS2s lifespan too... didnt stop it from doing well
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New hardware seems a bit pointless at this point. The improvements on the user end are going to be so incremental compared to past generations. We're looking at the beginning of the cash-grab generation of new consoles, I guess. Not as an option, I mean, but as a mandate. Most likely a trend that will take us to the era of consoles being entirely replaced by PCs.
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ffxi came out at the end of PS2s lifespan too... didnt stop it from doing well


not really, it came out years before PS3

in the case of FFXIV it looks like it will be released on PS3 within months of PS4's release
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New hardware seems a bit pointless at this point. The improvements on the user end are going to be so incremental compared to past generations. We're looking at the beginning of the cash-grab generation of new consoles, I guess. Not as an option, I mean, but as a mandate. Most likely a trend that will take us to the era of consoles being entirely replaced by PCs.


this isn't true at all, the hardware of current consoles (PS3, 360) is way too weak for current games, the hardware is in dire need of being replaced and I think the graphics/performance of games on the next gen of consoles will clearly reflect that

are you just saying random stuff?

developers have been watering down their graphics for a long time now due to PS3/360 limitations and the games STILL often run at 30 fps

Edited, Feb 4th 2013 6:38pm by Poubelle
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Either way, it's not like any developers are pushing the limits of the PS3. The console probably has several years left in it before it starts to show its age.

You can't take it for granted that new consoles are going to significantly improve upon the user experience just because they put in some new hardware. We're approaching the point where the hardware isn't the limitation... the limitation is that we're humans. You have better graphics? Ok, but the human eye can only discern resolutions at such a rate, and even FPS maxes out for us under 100. And as developers, we can only efficiently program to such a degree to make use of greater technical capabilities.

It's easy in this day and age to create machines that are faster, stronger, smarter than what we currently know, but that doesn't mean we can pilot them. People who are expecting new consoles to deliver a significantly improved performance are due for some disappointment. I know I will be if there's anything less than head tracking.
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Poubelle wrote:
Kachi wrote:
New hardware seems a bit pointless at this point. The improvements on the user end are going to be so incremental compared to past generations. We're looking at the beginning of the cash-grab generation of new consoles, I guess. Not as an option, I mean, but as a mandate. Most likely a trend that will take us to the era of consoles being entirely replaced by PCs.


this isn't true at all, the hardware of current consoles (PS3, 360) is way too weak for current games, the hardware is in dire need of being replaced and I think the graphics/performance of games on the next gen of consoles will clearly reflect that

are you just saying random stuff?

developers have been watering down their graphics for a long time now due to PS3/360 limitations and the games STILL often run at 30 fps

Edited, Feb 4th 2013 6:38pm by Poubelle


Oh yeah, real watered down. Smiley: laugh You're nuts, man.
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Ok, now we're going to get slash fiction of Wint x Kachi somehere... rule 34 and all...

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Good games are subjective like good food is subjective. You're not going to seriously tell me that there's not a psychological basis for why pizza is great and lutefisk is revolting. The thing about subjectivity is that, as subjects go, humans actually have a great deal in common.
#10 Feb 04 2013 at 5:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Kachi wrote:
Poubelle wrote:
Kachi wrote:
New hardware seems a bit pointless at this point. The improvements on the user end are going to be so incremental compared to past generations. We're looking at the beginning of the cash-grab generation of new consoles, I guess. Not as an option, I mean, but as a mandate. Most likely a trend that will take us to the era of consoles being entirely replaced by PCs.


this isn't true at all, the hardware of current consoles (PS3, 360) is way too weak for current games, the hardware is in dire need of being replaced and I think the graphics/performance of games on the next gen of consoles will clearly reflect that

are you just saying random stuff?

developers have been watering down their graphics for a long time now due to PS3/360 limitations and the games STILL often run at 30 fps

Edited, Feb 4th 2013 6:38pm by Poubelle


Oh yeah, real watered down. Smiley: laugh You're nuts, man.


why do you say that? the 360 and ps3 are completely incapable of running new games properly. most current games run horribly on console, arkham city and DmC come to mind off hand, sonic generations, the hardware is way too outdated for these games, and the graphics ARE watered down to accommodate console limitations, and they still dont run properly

if you need an even clearer example, look at the evolution of Metal Gear Rising through development and the lengths they went to to make sure the game runs well on PS3s/360s. and even with the dated graphics you can still crash your console if you cut things up too much with your sword(not sure if you're familiar with that game)

my point is : Why am I nuts? everything I'm saying is perfectly reasonable, now you're just namecalling as well as making baseless claims and you just seem stupid/uninformed in my opinion, or out of touch with current tech

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Edited, Feb 4th 2013 6:53pm by Poubelle
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The watering down you're talking about occurs under a microscope. Yeah, if you examine screenshots carefully you can see the differences. But the question is, do these significantly impact user experience? No. Graphically, we're reaching the maximum capacity of the user experience. And the graphics are pretty much the only thing we can significantly improve upon AT ALL, with perhaps a bit of load time and lag. Overall, the improvements are going to be incremental, as I said.

Compare the beginning and end of the PS2's life to the beginning and today's application of the PS3 hardware. There is no comparison. The PS3 was a decisive upgrade in a way that the PS4 simply CANNOT be by the standards of basic hardware upgrades. If not due to the lack of meaningful growth in the tech, then due to the meaningful lack of growth in the capacity for human experience.
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Ok, now we're going to get slash fiction of Wint x Kachi somehere... rule 34 and all...

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Good games are subjective like good food is subjective. You're not going to seriously tell me that there's not a psychological basis for why pizza is great and lutefisk is revolting. The thing about subjectivity is that, as subjects go, humans actually have a great deal in common.
#12 Feb 04 2013 at 5:59 PM Rating: Default
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Also, I said you were nuts because I didn't respect you enough to elaborate on a rebuttal. I don't like you.
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Ok, now we're going to get slash fiction of Wint x Kachi somehere... rule 34 and all...

Never confuse your inference as the listener for an implication of the speaker.

Good games are subjective like good food is subjective. You're not going to seriously tell me that there's not a psychological basis for why pizza is great and lutefisk is revolting. The thing about subjectivity is that, as subjects go, humans actually have a great deal in common.
#13 Feb 04 2013 at 6:07 PM Rating: Default
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it seems like you are a grumpy old man clinging to relics of the past. its past time to dump the 360 and PS3 in favor of new tech. I was just a little kid when I got my PS3 for christmas, it's insanity that developers are still forced to make games for such dated hardware.

as for your comment that the graphic quality of PS4/next gen console games won't improve on screenshots (even though you're wrong, so wrong that it's laughable and I'm embarrassed for you) there's a big difference between the graphics on a still image and the performance of a running game.

the whole point of this topic is that even if they utilize every trick in the book to make this game look/run decent on PS3, it will never compare to the PC version and it would be wise to support a next gen console version if they want a console version of their MMORPG to survive at all

as for you not liking me, well it just highlights your immaturity. you shouldn't hold grudges against people you don't know, over the internet.
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#14 Feb 04 2013 at 6:16 PM Rating: Default
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It's not a grudge. I just don't like you because of the way you are. I think you're rude and obtuse, and don't particularly deserve my attention.
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Ok, now we're going to get slash fiction of Wint x Kachi somehere... rule 34 and all...

Never confuse your inference as the listener for an implication of the speaker.

Good games are subjective like good food is subjective. You're not going to seriously tell me that there's not a psychological basis for why pizza is great and lutefisk is revolting. The thing about subjectivity is that, as subjects go, humans actually have a great deal in common.
#15 Feb 04 2013 at 6:22 PM Rating: Good
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Poubelle wrote:
deronguerra wrote:
Doubtfully. My money is off backwards compatibility, too. (It's Sony's MO and I hear the sdk will be much different) Ffxi never made it to PS3. Why would XIV make it to PS4. Maybe if the game is successful enough and they had the resources they can do it later. They probably want to see the adoption rate of ps4 after 12 months or so then cost to develop and then /sit on it.

So.... Doubtful


because we're coming to the end of the PS3's life span, and FFXIV/MMORPGs in general are meant to be supported for many years if possible

so it would make sense to me to offer support for new consoles rather than just old ones

especially considering FFXIV's frame rate on PS3 will probably suck and would run better on newer hardware (well probably 30 fps but that sucks to me)

Edited, Feb 4th 2013 6:27pm by Poubelle


I remember playing FFXI on my ps3. So I'm hoping there is some backwards to go along with ps4. That's about the only way I see it being playable.
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ffxi came out at the end of PS2s lifespan too... didnt stop it from doing well


not really, it came out years before PS3

in the case of FFXIV it looks like it will be released on PS3 within months of PS4's release


and even still doe that mean you HAVE to get or play the new one? it annoys me when ppl act like its the end of the world because a game gets released on a console whos predecessor is months away... like support for PS3 is gonna drop that very day.. PS2 still got games (GOOD ones at that not just shovelware garbage) for 2 years after ps3s release.. infact the ps2 just officially died last december.

even the Wii has Pandora tower hitting the US (its been out in Europe for almost a year now) in Sept 2013.. a full year fter the Wii U came out.. in otherwords anyone (like me) who gives a crap about FFXIV on the PS3 is gonna play it and get it regardless of if PS4 come sou this year.. heck i didnt stop playing my ps2 until 2010.. a whole 4 years after PS3 came out.
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XI did come out for 360 eventually. There's no reason XIV couldn't move to a next gen console like the PS4. I'd say it depends on sales really, and less on technical challenges (given that we've been told the ARR game/engine is highly adaptable).

I'd buy a PS4 just to play XIV on it.
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You realize Poubelle that modern TVs, unless you have a VERY high end HDTV, only display 30fps, regardless of the device transmitting to it right? The standard for NTSC televisions is 60i or 30fps.
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#19 Feb 04 2013 at 6:59 PM Rating: Good
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it seems like you are a grumpy old man clinging to relics of the past.

as for you not liking me, well it just highlights your immaturity.


Pot, meet... Kettle was it? I'm terrible with names.
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Wint wrote:
You realize Poubelle that modern TVs, unless you have a VERY high end HDTV, only display 30fps, regardless of the device transmitting to it right? The standard for NTSC televisions is 60i or 30fps.


you are wrong. all modern TVs can display 60 fps.Smiley: oyvey where do you people get this information?

Edited, Feb 4th 2013 8:18pm by Poubelle
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I was still thinking of tube TVs, looks like a modern Samsung LED TV I picked at random will go 50 fps. OMG BIG DIFFERENCE.

I'm shocked you wonder why people think you're a d-bag with the way you treat people, even in this thread.
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it is really odd how all my posts get sub-defaulted. including something as simple as disagreeing with admin poster.

it's true. all modern TVs are 60hz and can display in 60 fps, its been like that for a long time I think.

it really says something about the quality of ZAM when a post like that would get sub-defaulted and hidden.
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Poubelle wrote:
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You realize Poubelle that modern TVs, unless you have a VERY high end HDTV, only display 30fps, regardless of the device transmitting to it right? The standard for NTSC televisions is 60i or 30fps.


you are wrong. all modern TVs can display 60 fps.Smiley: oyvey where do you people get this information?

Edited, Feb 4th 2013 8:18pm by Poubelle


Um.... no.

Current NTSC standard (US standard) is 29.97 frames per second (60i).

The framerates you're talking about are scheduled to become the standard in the new UHDTV set, which is brand new.. like, people just started noticing it in late 2012; it isn't a standard for anything, and nothing displays on a television this quickly yet.

The human eye can only discern about 60 fps anyway. Above that and video will start to appear slower as the frames are smoothed further and further out.

We're rapidly approaching the point where graphics can't get a lot better than they are now, just because of human perceptual limits. While I'm sure the PS4 will have superior hardware to the PS3 (it'd be weird if it didn't), the raw strength of the system is likely to be focused on doing what the PS3 already does, only more of it and faster. I suspect the same will be true of whatever the next Xbox incarnation is as well.
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Wint wrote:
I was still thinking of tube TVs, looks like a modern Samsung LED TV I picked at random will go 50 fps. OMG BIG DIFFERENCE.

I'm shocked you wonder why people think you're a d-bag with the way you treat people, even in this thread.


I don't really wonder, it's the way this board is set up to encourage a hivemind and discourage any differing opinions. so it's no surprise to me that people would dislike me here.


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You realize Poubelle that modern TVs, unless you have a VERY high end HDTV, only display 30fps, regardless of the device transmitting to it right? The standard for NTSC televisions is 60i or 30fps.


you are wrong. all modern TVs can display 60 fps.Smiley: oyvey where do you people get this information?

Edited, Feb 4th 2013 8:18pm by Poubelle


Um.... no.

Current NTSC standard (US standard) is 29.97 frames per second (60i).

The framerates you're talking about are scheduled to become the standard in the new UHDTV set, which is brand new.. like, people just started noticing it in late 2012; it isn't a standard for anything, and nothing displays on a television this quickly yet.

The human eye can only discern about 60 fps anyway. Above that and video will start to appear slower as the frames are smoothed further and further out.

We're rapidly approaching the point where graphics can't get a lot better than they are now, just because of human perceptual limits. While I'm sure the PS4 will have superior hardware to the PS3 (it'd be weird if it didn't), the raw strength of the system is likely to be focused on doing what the PS3 already does, only more of it and faster. I suspect the same will be true of whatever the next Xbox incarnation is as well.


now this poster for example is simply spouting misinformation, surely I'll be sub-defaulted for telling him that he's incorrect.

however: you are right that most things on TV do display in 30fps, but that has nothing to do with the television itself, and it certainly doesn't apply to gaming

Edited, Feb 4th 2013 8:40pm by Poubelle
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You were sub-defaulted because with your base karma score, only one or two ratings down and you're sub-d. I actually rated your sub-d'd post back up so it wasn't hidden anymore. I can stop doing that if you're going to keep ******** about karma.

The rating down on you has nothing to do with you offering a differing opinion, it is how you offer it. You have zero respect for people who disagree with you and as much subtlety as a bull in a china shop. Shocking that people don't like you and rate you down I know. You have nobody to blame but yourself.
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#26 Feb 04 2013 at 7:43 PM Rating: Default
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to bring this back on topic

I worry about the frame rate of FFXIV on PS3, which is why I hope they port it to newer consoles at some point

it will likely run at 30 fps, probably worse in populated areas

(to respond to callinon) in discussions such as these where what the human eye can and cant see is brought up, this page is useful

http://boallen.com/fps-compare.html

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