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#1 Feb 23 2013 at 2:29 PM Rating: Default
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so as we all know from the recent videos...the latest footage for the PS3 version looks HORRENDOUS. screen tearing, unplayable frame rates, and nasty visuals.

I highly doubt they would ever be able to get people to pay for that.

so my question is: do you think they will delay the PS3 version and go ahead with the release of ARR for PC only?


Edited, Feb 23rd 2013 3:30pm by Poubelle

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#2 Feb 23 2013 at 2:36 PM Rating: Decent
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No. The ps3 version looks fine for what it's supposed to. What you're watching is a compressed video. Even the PC version looked bad to be till I ran the benchmark for myself. If you ran the benchmark on low and medium settings, it still looks nice. Meaning, that that ps3 wont look any different.
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Poubelle wrote:
so as we all know from the recent videos...the latest footage for the PS3 version looks HORRENDOUS. screen tearing, unplayable frame rates, and nasty visuals.

I highly doubt they would ever be able to get people to pay for that.

so my question is: do you think they will delay the PS3 version and go ahead with the release of ARR for PC only?


Edited, Feb 23rd 2013 3:30pm by Poubelle


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whether I am being too negative or not...

the issue remains that based on the video, the PS3 version of FFXIV isn't even close to being ready for retail.

video compression doesnt account for the jaggy mess seen here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW6fL5X1fM4&feature=youtu.be&t=6m45s
with rampant screen tearing all over the screen, and 5 frames per second.

so do you think PC users will have to wait as a result? or will the PS3 version alone be delayed? there's simply no way that product can be sold ^

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Just do away with the PS3 version so I don't have to spend the next 10 years listening to "PS3 LIMITATIONS!"
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#7 Feb 23 2013 at 2:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sigh..

If you'd read the other threads, you'd see that SE is working with Sony to fix those problems. They're well aware of them, and I seriously doubt they'd release the PS3 version of the game with such a crappy framerate.

I think the PS3 version is right on schedule. Once again if you'd paid attention to the other information out there, you'd see that the PS3 version isn't even being released for beta access until the later phases of beta.. presumably so they can make sure it functions well enough that someone would actually want to test it.
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Drulian, Pie Eating Champion wrote:
Just do away with the PS3 version so I don't have to spend the next 10 years listening to "PS3 LIMITATIONS!"


Good point; but he also stated that they are only doing the ps3 version because they promised it. They said if FFXIV is successful and enough people ask for it they are looking at other consoles coming out and would release it.

That's why he won't look at F2P and micro transactions until 2.0 is launched because they want every single promise they ever made about the game to be completed. He's said that many times. I also don't think we will get PS3 limitations, already the newest items for FFXI aren't even coming to PS2/XBOX, pc is getting a completely revamped UI with chat tabs supported outside the actual game window.

One of the recent interviews from him (2 days ago) said that SE needed to change and they took the fans and the final fantasy name for granted. I'm really excited about this.
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#9Poubelle, Posted: Feb 23 2013 at 3:07 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) having said this, why do you think my prediction of a delay is so far fetched? you actually think the PS3 version will be ready for store shelves by summer?
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Good point; but he also stated that they are only doing the ps3 version because they promised it. They said if FFXIV is successful and enough people ask for it they are looking at other consoles coming out and would release it.

That's why he won't look at F2P and micro transactions until 2.0 is launched because they want every single promise they ever made about the game to be completed. He's said that many times. I also don't think we will get PS3 limitations, already the newest items for FFXI aren't even coming to PS2/XBOX, pc is getting a completely revamped UI with chat tabs supported outside the actual game window.

One of the recent interviews from him (2 days ago) said that SE needed to change and they took the fans and the final fantasy name for granted. I'm really excited about this.


Ya sorry meant that as "tongue in cheek" response Smiley: tongue And yes I do sort of remember a interview where they stated the PC version wouldn't be drug down by the PlayStation version this time around. So I guess the whole "EQUAL PLATFORMS!" noise from XI's early days has been finally shot down. Biggest complaint the 8ish years I played XI, I had a PC that could run 99% of everything on the market on max settings without breaking a sweat, but do something major in XI and it ran like crap.
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Poubelle wrote:
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I think the PS3 version is right on schedule. Once again if you'd paid attention to the other information out there, you'd see that the PS3 version isn't even being released for beta access until the later phases of beta.. presumably so they can make sure it functions well enough that someone would actually want to test it.


having said this, why do you think my prediction of a delay is so far fetched? you actually think the PS3 version will be ready for store shelves by summer?


Quite simply, because SE hasn't said it would be delayed, and neither of us knows enough about their development cycle to argue that point.

It's too early to cry delay on this. Wait until we can actually get our hands on the PS3 version of the game in beta. That's the only way we'll have enough information to base any kind of conclusions on.
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#12Poubelle, Posted: Feb 23 2013 at 3:14 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) well we have no news of delay from SE, but we have footage of what the PS3 version looks like in its current state. it looks like a mess. they can't sell that. it's safe to assume it's not going to transform in a few months
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No, that's not safe to assume at all.

Don't assume things based on incomplete information, stop that.

Obviously they aren't going to sell it like that. They aren't even releasing it for beta like that. But you don't have enough information to say they can't fix it before they launch the PC version of the game. Only SE has that data.
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I won't worry about delays until the PC version has an official release date. Which it does not.

So if they had to, they could "delay" the PC version until the PS3 version is already ready go to. Whether that means tacking on an extra week or an extra month, who knows?
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Keep on posting, Poubelle, let's see whether we can break chain #4!
#16 Feb 23 2013 at 3:57 PM Rating: Default
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down rating my posts doesn't make it less true. the PS3 version looks like junk.
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Poubelle wrote:
down rating my posts doesn't make it less true. the PS3 version looks like junk.


No one is arguing that it looks good right now. (Well, it looks okay in stills. Just animated looks like crap.)

We're arguing that, when the beta version of PC hasn't even started yet, that it is unfair to extrapolate the need for a delay in the PS3 version when it's not even being beta tested until Phase III. No one will be testing out the PS3 version for approximately two months. That gives them two months to get it optimized. Assuming they're doing the smart thing and have an entire team dedicated to it (considering they brought Sony on board and knowing how IT project best practices go, there's a good 99% chance the PS3 team is dedicated exclusively to it), that means they have plenty of time to get it up and running before PS3 beta starts, probably in late April or early May.
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Yoshi has engaged a team from Sony to help with optimizing. What you see isn't lag, it's frames being dropped, there is a huge difference. Optimization will improve the framerate, and if you had bothered to read my story about the media event you would see that they're about 75% done with optimization, that last 25% will take care of the framerate issues.

I expect they showed the PS3 version even though it's in this state because it's kind of like the Yeti right now. Lots of rumor, with no sightings. Now we know that not only is there a PS3 version, but that framerate issues aside it's going to look pretty good. Anyone who thought the PS3 version would look just as good as the PC version at high settings had unrealistic expectations.
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Yoshi has engaged a team from Sony to help with optimizing. What you see isn't lag, it's frames being dropped, there is a huge difference. Optimization will improve the framerate, and if you had bothered to read my story about the media event you would see that they're about 75% done with optimization, that last 25% will take care of the framerate issues.

I expect they showed the PS3 version even though it's in this state because it's kind of like the Yeti right now. Lots of rumor, with no sightings. Now we know that not only is there a PS3 version, but that framerate issues aside it's going to look pretty good. Anyone who thought the PS3 version would look just as good as the PC version at high settings had unrealistic expectations.


Just to add to Wint's reply, Yoshi has said numerous times in various interviews that the ps3 version wouldn't look as good as the pc version. Yoshi has been completely honest about the subject and I believe I read somewhere that the ps3 version wont even be completely finalized until after phase 2 right before they add beta support to the ps3.
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I think it looks fine, personally. I experienced lag like that on the PS2 all the time. ****, my PS3 does that running regular games. Most people only notice this stuff under a microscope. You get used to it in no time.
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I'm going to play devil's advocate here and say that I don't completely disagree with Poubelle. I agree that he tends to be pretty negative, but I think a few of his gripes are pretty well warranted.

I too thought the PS3 version had an obviously lower frame rate, but I just sort of wrote it off as a hardware limitation. From what I understand, the PS3 is notorious for being difficult to develop software for, but it's mostly due to hardware architecture, rather than raw power, which it obviously has.

All things considered, it doesn't look so bad as to where it'd be considered unplayable. Maybe that's the tradeoff ps3 users will have to make; you'll give up the definitive experience in exchange for the convenience and comfort of playing on your couch.
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I think the effect of fresh start servers is diminished if the PC and ps3 release dates are separated. Given that the ps3 will be the access point for a great deal of new players who aren't interested in PC gaming, it would be foolish for the "ship" to leave without them and to give them a "fresh start" on servers that aren't so fresh anymore.
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There's no reason these days you can't just plug an HDMI cable into your TV and use a controller. Still, I have to wonder if you guys ever even play on these consoles if you think that kind of performance is something to complain about. Best I can figure is that you're spoiled by very high-end PC's.
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There's no reason these days you can't just plug an HDMI cable into your TV and use a controller. Still, I have to wonder if you guys ever even play on these consoles if you think that kind of performance is something to complain about. Best I can figure is that you're spoiled by very high-end PC's.

I wouldn't say that we're spoiled. There's a lot of time and effort that goes into building a machine for gaming or otherwise, in the end there's a payoff.

Spoiled is definitely the wrong choice in words; I choose to play on PC.
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It's not like I was suggesting that your mommies and daddies bought you a high end PC. I just find it a little hard to believe that you've actually spent any significant amount of time actually playing on the PS3 to think that these framerates are horrible. Most any game that has to render a lot of assets has the same occasional slowdown.
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